Taking off a helmet has so much more impact than having it just de-materialize. Like when T'Challa took off his helmet and set it in the snow when he confronted Zemo.
His suit from AMATW and Endgame should've been the peak of Ant-Man suits. Just a regular suit with a retractable helmet, shouldn't have gone nanotech all the way. I miss the days when his suits had to be shrunken down to action figure size just to be carried around and even hidden away, that seemed more on-brand with the character
The only recent Marvel suit up scene I liked was Moon Knight's. I really enjoyed when Marc looks like he got possessed with white pupils as bandages wrap his body. That's quite unique and makes a lot of sense.
OH YES. that was an amazing suit-up scene, especially as you see it wrapping round him as he turns around. Very cool. The slo-mo suit ups are awesome. Every time though? maybe not, that could get tedious. However, the zappy suit ups by nanotech seem a little low budget for me compared the likes of Moon knight and iron mans first nanosuit suit-up. A way to combat this would be to not have them suit up every time they go to run somewhere, they need to bring back the times when, suiting up meant business and theres a dramatic moment and time stops for them to change. Now though, we see that if they go to leave a room they just tap their chest and zap off screen.
The problem is that they dont use physical suits anymore. They only wear those motion capture suits. A mix of both would fix the issue that it looks so weird. That and they have to give the vfx teams more time lol
Uhhh they still use physical suits. Even in endgame where the suit was entirely cgi, they wore a costume underneath bc they weren't sure what the final design would be. And also there's a few suits that were entirely cgi that no one could tell. Like captain marvel in endgame
What do you mean they don’t use physical suits Spider-Man‘s new suit after no way home. The scarlet witch and Doctor Strange‘s costumes. Thor and so many more.
Trueee, this was a big thing in iron man, all 3 movies but mainly 1 & 3, plus in a few other movies he’s in. It’s really cool and id love to see more of it
Even Ironman with his NanoTech was improvising by using Left over damage pieces on his chest to other areas, which costed him his life. How they're treated in other films is just a Scapegoat to not create a Physical suit! How cheap is it to make an Animated Movie with Animated Actors in Animated Suit compared to a Practical Suit with Practical Actors?
Yeah, and hey, animation and CGI is expensive and takes time. But I don't know why that means devolving in quality. Here's the problem, at any given time, only two or three Marvel products were in production. With Disney Plus, there's now eight to ten projects simultaneously in the works. Of course they don't have time, money and labour to fill in the gaps. I said devolving because they DID do a better job with less tech in the past. Iron Man is over a decade old. And the way to solve this problem is to go back to props and practical costumes. I can understand Thanos needs to be CGI. But I do not understand why Ant Man 3 and Thor 4 is full of people removing their helmets just to crack jokes and such. It is such a drain on resources.
The scene where T'challa takes of his helmet in front of the cop in Civil War is very good and shows how versatile an actual armor can be in story telling.
Man Civil War is so freaking good. That scene is amazing, the part where T'Challa stops Zemo from killing himself by covering the gun with his glove gives me chills
I think Doctor Strange's outfit is a good middle ground here. He can summon his robes like nanotech, but he has to first don the cape and initiate his magic. It made for one of the coolest and iconic shots in phase 4 in Multiverse of Madness, where he sort of Spider-Mans his way out of a wedding and into action.
@@Geral454 100%. When I think of Sam Raimi's effect on that film I immediately think of that sequence. I've watched it several times, it's just so good
The thing that no one really seems to mention is the way they constantly have to remove their mask/helmet/etc, whenever there is a conversation anywhere. It's like an obsession to show the actor as much as possible even when it's stupid, like in the middle of a battle field.
My sister had this exact same comment about the last Ant Man Movie, when they would constantely remove their helmets even to stare down their enemies, even when there were lasers and creatures and debris flying everywhere.
This is the same issue i have, its so damn silly every time they do it. Im so tired of them taking off the helmets that i dont even see them as a hero anymore... Just the actual showing there face for money 😔
Yeah agreed! I want to see the characters in their costumes with their masks on most of the time. I don't care about the actors teaming up I care about the characters teaming up in their suits like it's coming out of a comic. Another thing to is I feel like the actors are playing more of themselves instead of playing the character. Like Mark Ruffalo for example. I feel like he used to play Bruce Banner in Avengers 1 and 2 but ever since Thor Ragnorok it feels like to me that he's just playing himself and not the character if that makes sense. I feel like thats what happened to the majority of MCU characters now too. I'm really worried about the future of this universe and I hope things back on the right path.
When Iron Man put on his suit, there was weight to it, his body reacted to each piece attaching itself. It was literally the way of telling "shit just got real". Damn I miss those movies.
Ok, but that was always stupid. It needed replacing. Only works for skin tight suits, and if ur shirt is slipping down even a little, ur identity is shot.
Marvel has gotten complacent. They've been the best for so long that they've forgotten what made them that way. The writing has been getting more and more lazy, and so has the character design.
@Bakasta Hopefully. I think it's possible, but they've rebooted the DC movie franchises so many times that I don't even know if they can stick to one coherent universe.
I have always kind of liked dceu movies better than marvels, bc marvels movies consist of too much jokes, not enough seriousness, too much sex, and other nonsense, and sneak jokes, and trying to look cool, with dceu movies, there was always seriousness, problem solving, trying to get the message of the movie, only times I have felt like that on marvels was when it was spiderman with tobey maguire and andrew garfield, and early thors, maybe even loki, forgetting some others, I think captain america
Yeah, it’s frankly a little boring to watch the suit just… appear, ya know? If they want to go that route they could at least make the effect look less plain-looking.
Part of what made the IW suit-up work was that they made Tony wear a specialized set of clothing to fit the fact that the nanotech has to form around his body. He even has to take off his glasses. And now it's just an instant change function.
The end of No Way Home was especially amazing because Peter Parker could no longer use the nano tech, he had to make his own suit from scratch, it felt like the real spiderman was back
Kinda wish the suit was darker. I feel like MARVEL is trying to make everything fun and games or epic. Dark themes are gone, which is just supid because in no way is a superheroes life fun and just cool action.
@@theCantinafan real talk like I get they’re trying to appeal to kids but it’s just annoying and repetitive now especially with all the corny jokes and dialogue
Yeah, but in terms of Spider-Man, he's not always dark and brooding. Let's be honest here, dark doesn't always mean realistic and not every hero is gonna be like that. Spider-Man is a balance of the two. He always has a sense of humor and uses that against his villains, so I wouldn't want them taking that away from him since it's part of the character. I like the suit too. Maybe the blue is a bit too bright but it's almost exactly like the comic suit.
@@theCantinafan Perhaps Peter did that because it was all he had available. Or because he wanted to be the bright figure that saves a person's day, despite the pain he carries?
Another thing that's also not seen as often anymore is battle damage to suits. Aside from Iron Man against Thanos in Infinity War, most of the time the nanotech suits just stay the same throughout fights, without any dirt or damage. In Iron Man 1 Tony has dirt and soot from the tank shell and crash, bullet dents from the rifles and scratches and nicks that only disappear once enough off screen time has passed for him to repair it. When was the Iron Spider suit dirty?
I feel like the nano tech suits should have at least some depth to them so they don’t look so thin and have them form in like 5-6 seconds instead of just quickly putting it on so we can at least see it forming properly, like how when Tony first used it in IW and we got to see the suit forming at a much slower speed
It literally only showed it slowly in that part cause it was his first time showing off his nano you monkey. Not every suit up scene has to be slow motion like that
I actually like nanotech, i'm just bawling my eyes out because we didn't get Iron Man movie centered around Tony developing it. They also didn't flesh out its impact on the modern world. The problem is also with the lack of limitations... Nanotech just goes out of fucking nowhere apparently and has no downsides to it (except that one fight in endgame). It also has no uses outside of suits AND EVERYONE HAS IT, LIKE ITS GROWING ON TREES. This shit can easily replicate Iron Man's suit, build Black Panther suit out of nowhere, apparently Ant Man's suit is not a problem too...? Bro, can't a villain use it to become fucking unstoppable by stealing some of their data and buying nanotech bots from their grocery store? It just feels like magic that solves every single problem and writers don't want to explore the implications of this technology. Imagine if they needed some frames to form around, which some of the heroes would need to carry on them (that would make some sick suits) or if they couldn't form in harsh environment, if the character is covered in thick dirt or is in water? Maybe an EMP shock could disable them and force some characters to resort to traditional suits to avoid this disadvantage? Maybe nanotech could become illegal or restricted because of how insanely overpowered it could be? My mind just hurts because it has so much potential and marvel just doesn't give a fuck
I think besides BP and Ironman, Antman actually has the most logical reasoning to have a “nano”-tech suit. He is constantly changing sizes so it makes sense to me over the standard leather suit he has. It could be easily explained away that using equally small technology like Nano tech may better protect Scott’s physiology from unnaturally shifting his volume with Pym-Particles
Would actually be cool if they carry around a small suit and make it increase in size to suit up. The same idea as The Flash storing his suit in the Flash Ring to suit up. Not just slap their chest and then suit up
@brutuslugo3969 I think the best way to explain it canonically is that after endgame Scott Lang snagged a couple of the suits they used for time travel that used the nanotech and gave it to hank who was able to reverse-engineer the tech and implemented it into Scott and hopes suits
The thing I miss from the first iron man is Tony stark actually working like a real mechanic. The tinkering in his shop to the clearly thought out mechanical design of the iron man suit felt way more genuine. The nano tech feels like an upgrade that comes out of nowhere. It’s a massive leap to go from that first suit to nano tech, even for Tony stark. Blank panther is the only one who should use it as the entire nation of wakanda is technologically advanced.
Also, by real world logic, thousands of tiny detachable pieces of tech are less sturdy than solid pieces of armor. They could have made nanotech into something that's useful in some contexts and not others (such as when discretion and getting in and out of suit is more useful than sheer protection). It's already less tangible than a real looking suit, so for the sake of suspension of disbelief, the minimum would be to give it pros and cons and limitations.
@@maximeteppe7627 Yea, always thought that was so weird. If it can just come together like that and basically has no weight to it, then how can it actually be useful as armor?
@@maximeteppe7627 which is exactly what they did in infinity war and ptobably why it works so well there. We see it get blasted to peices over the fight until theirs not enough left for it to function.
Should have a villain who comes in and cripples all nanotech, forcing the heroes into new suits tailored by what's his face in She Hulk and the guy from Daredevil
From a production standpoint, I can see why they’re doing it. The production teams don’t have to spend extra time tailoring an outfit for the actor, you don’t run the risk of the outfit being damaged during filming/post-production, no need to clean outfits, etc. From a fan standpoint, I agree with you. It’s fine for certain characters, as it’s part of their identity… including Ant-Man and co, given it was him and Tony who saved the universe with the whole Time Heist, and thus sharing the knowledge of nanotech makes sense. After No Way Home’s ending, with Peter making his own suit, I’m hoping that’s the end of the nanotech for future non-Wakandan characters. If every hero suddenly has access to it, it doesn’t feel as special, and frankly wouldn’t make sense… and I REALLY hope that Ironheart doesn’t get it in her series.
@@RizeUp8083 Well considering they've already filmed it and it's currently in post-production, I'm pretty sure they won't want to waste all that time and money. It's been delayed, yes, but it's still coming out.
The real reason is unlike costume makers/tailors, VFX artists aren't unionized which means big corporations get to abuse and overwork them however they want with little effort. It's all laziness and greed. And Kevin Feige and his directors are too creatively bankrupt to ask for more.
Another thing I've hated is superhero suits not getting damaged enough, especially in the final battles, which is what I loved about Far From Home with Spider-Man's upgraded suit getting severely damaged to nearly the same level of damage as the final battle of Spider-Man 2 (2004). Sure costumes can get a bit grubby or a have a few dents in the armour, but Spidey's traditional costume getting huge tears is a great way of visually showing the stakes are high in the fight and how hard the hero has to work to save the day.
Spider-Man and Invincible really got this idea down. Your costume can look as bright, colorful, and iconic as you want, but it won’t hold up to the real battles you need to do as a hero.
I personally don’t like how the raimi spiderman suits looked in end battles, kinda ruins the visuals when theres a cool fight but his suit is torn to the point you barely recognize it so its just a white guy fighting in a onesie
This is something that shows like Power Rangers and Kamen Rider find a good middle ground. Because even though they are materializing the suit onto themselves, the transformation, or Henshin if you will, is treated with fanfare and the characters remain in suit until they power down or are defeated. And these shows have a considerably smaller budget compared to most Disney projects
Beat me to the punch, I was going to say something to the similar effect. I enjoy the fact that the suit ups are becoming quicker, its showing a fluidity of evolution of the world /tech that these heroes play in and also I am a huge fan of PR and Kamen Rider. So anything that gets us closer to it or borrows from it. Im all here for it.
@@damien2729 Here's the thing though, Power Rangers does have quick transformation sequences outside of a montage akin to Kamen Rider's. Even highlighting that they are protected during the sequence, showing why villains cant attack.
I remember reading an article by Scandinavian studies scholar Helen Damico when researching for a paper in one of my literature courses. Her paper compared the "suit up" or "arming of the hero" scenes in "Beowulf" and the Prose Edda poem "Thrymskvitha", where Beowulf dawns his armor before going to fight Grendel's mother and where Thor, as a possible parody of that kind of typically heroic scene, dawns a wedding dress, respectively. She says that an arming scene “takes on the aura of a ritual and serves to enhance the warrior’s martial virtues and to anticipate his bravery in the forthcoming fight. … As the hero dons his equipment, each item … takes on celestial attributes, and … the hero is transformed from human ordinariness into a state that is superhuman, and at times akin to that of a natural force” (Damico 411) This quote is what came to mind while I was watching this video. Not sure how true it necessarily is in regard to the MCU, but I thought it was interesting.
I think there's two reasons for this: it moves the story along slightly faster, and it makes it possible to unmask every minute for the actors to emote. I know it's silly but the constant unmasking bugs the sh*t out of me.
Not silly at all and very annoying, especially when it's done so much that my mind thinks of the studio desperately needing to show the actor's face instead of me staying in the moment of the scene.
Constant unmasking is so annoying, and the nano suits cater to that so bad. I get not many have secret identities, and taking your helmet/mask off during a fight just to say something is just downright foolish.
No not silly at all, it's lazy and it's actor fame grabbing. Studio; "Oh look we have *insert famous actor* and you can see his face proving it's him!!!"
Just watched Iron Man 1 and 2 again recently, and even the fake physicality of those suit-ups is just so good. Bits and bobs (those are the scientific terms) whirring and clanking into place gives me such childlike joy.
For Iron Man specifically though, the suit up convenience is part of his character progression, so it makes sense. I liked how No Way Home ended with MCU Peter going back to a handmade cloth suit to represent him going back to basics.
@@wdililn Yeah, but even with him, they waited until the very end of his journey to give him an armor like that. Up until that point, all the suits were practical in a sense. He’d either have specific points that contained it and helped him suit up (his workshop, his jet, his suitcases, he even had a weaker Iron Man repulsor gauntlet in his watch), or he’d have it fly to him remotely in pieces (Iron Man 3 and Age of Ultron). The nanotech was introduced waaaay down the line, and it was in a film where he’d be in a completely foreign environment and wouldn’t have access to more suits or technology, so it made sense.
The original ironman suitup wth the music was epic, the way the cgi made the suit look that realistic with all the small details was amazing for that time.
You briefly shown the clip of no way home having Tobey and Andrew show up was INCREDIBLE, BUT. T and A's spider-man films always had the physical costumes, it felt real. seeing Andrew and Tobey just pull their mask down out of nowhere feels so wrong. especially when you see behind the scenes where there isn't even a mask present. just wrong.
But it is in their hands, even if it is CGI it can be seen and it IS realistic. Would you send that same message if you didn't know it wasn't real? Also, there's a shot in the movie where we can see their masks on top of some metal...things.
I feel like spiderman masking and demasking the cgi is acceptable since there is no smooth way to put on the mask on set. They all have plastic face shells so taking the mask off and on without CGI just wouldnt work
I’m from the Transformer/He Man/Centurion era… the suit up was EVERYTHING!!! Ronan Warriors, Sailor Moon… I absolutely love that stuff. You hit it right on the nose when Iron Man first suited up for the first time, how cool it was to watch the process.
every great 80s action flick has a suit up montage. just think of rambo putting on all his gear and tying that headband. the suit up is iconic and they are speedrunning it lately.
I agree 100%. The writers/filmmakers just don't want to deal with lingering questions like "At what point does the hero put on his or her suit?" or "Where does he keep it when he's not crime fighting?" or "Does he carry it around with him all the time?"
So in a world in which Norse gods (who are really just aliens) use wormholes summoned by a big ass sword to traverse the galaxy, that's OK, but where spiderman keeps his suit sometimes is beyond your suspension of disbelief? K.
The nano-tech should have been limited to Iron Man, and nerfed a little, because it's "God-Like" technology that sort of makes legacy armor and weapons obsolete in my opinion.
I completely agree. I miss the suits ups. The scene in antman where he’s in the back of the cop car struggling to get the helmet on was perfect and practical. Iron man facing Loki, getting thrown off the stark tower then a missile suit comes to his rescue was thrilling. Hulk slowly transforming before hitting the leviathan was incredible. But we haven’t gotten shit like than since avengers 1 to Civil war
I gotta agree with you there. I can't remember how many times I've watched Tony get into the Iron Man suits and all the parts coming together. I definitely miss that.
I think Gunn did that to show how "out there" space tech is. Marvel overusing it only makes it less "out there". MCU is literally limiting their own worldbuilding.
Infinity War had the best use of nanotech with Iron Man. The first use of the nano suit was epic and how the suit lost parts in the fight with Thanos too
Remember the good ol’ days when superheroes used to go in a phone booth to change or ripped off their clothes to reveal they were wearing their super suit underneath the whole time
It was cool seeing iron man’s progression in “suit up” technology over the course of a decade. From the spinning rings to the instant nano-suit. This shit had WEIGHT to it especially if you were someone who saw the original iron man in theatres. Ever since that kid with the nano helmet from Missouri showed up with that talking rabbit, it sorta went downhill from there for everyone else.
Something as well with the original Iron Man suit up scenes is that the presence of physical armor also added a lot of tension for the plot. Iron Man's armor can also work against him if it's damaged or low on power, trapping him in a heavy, bulky, form fitting coffin. It made fights all the more enjoyable if there was always this serious danger that if that Arc Reactor gets damaged and stops working, he can't easily get out of that armor.
I feel like it’s cooler to see a superhero slowly dress themselves from head to toe, than it is to watch them slap their chest and have it on in an instant. Edit: I need sleep.
Very good point. Our idea of peril comes into it as well. At the end of the day, danger is thrilling when portrayed on screen efficiently. Iron Man is human in a very basic sense. Him putting the armour on is tapping into something primal, it’s telling us - hold onto your butts. If a character can just morph in and out of a suit, then we feel there’s no risk, because they are always a superhero, all the time, which isn’t as relatable as a mere mortal
Totally agree. Ant-man specializes in size altering tech, I feel like they could have come up with a more interesting quick change suit then just nano tech. Like a suit stored in a small capsule that is programed to grow larger than normal that Scott can step into then shrinks to fit him. Kind of like spiderman's suit in Homecoming. There are materials with "memory." Imagine 6 connected squares that with the push of a botton fold in and create a cube. Take that idea and make a suit that grows, gets stepped on, then wraps itself around the wearer. Marvel excells over DC in my opinion because it's heroes are more like real people who can be heroes in stead of heroes who can pass as real people. When everyone is essentially ready to be their hero persona at any moment it blurs that line. Even something as simple as Jen Walters wanting to take off her shoes befor becoming She-Hulk is a signal that these characters have real concerns in their life. Black Panther's nano tech suit used to destroy loose fitting clothing when activated and that was a nice detail. When becoming a hero comes at no cost it is not special.
one of my favorite costume changes is thor’s during thor:ragnarok when hela first appears. its fast and flashy with the lightning. it makes sense for more heroes to use nanotech suits as thats currently the peak of armor tech in their universe but for me nothing beats the og costumes and suits from phases 1-3, especially ironman’s
I've been saying this for years. Nano tech can easily be used as a lazy way to get characters into costume. It should be restricted to Iron Man. I think Black Panther's physical suit was better. You could see T'Challa physically remove his helmet for important moments like in Civil War.
The older Marvel movies for individual heroes had their own distinct flavour while still sharing the same humor which bound them together. Recent movies have REALLY lost that (I'm lookin at YOU QUANTUMANIA)
1000% agree. It’s a good example of a lot of their problems now. That Tony suit up sequence showed love and care. The stuff now just feel so… obligatory.
This is part of why I loved NWH so much. Seeing the old Raimi and Amazing suits was a breath of fresh air. And of course, the ending was about as perfect as it could be seeing Tom's Spidey wearing the original Red and Blue suit with the giant spider on the back. It was cool at first seeing nanotech with Tony's last suit and T'Challa's nano suit but now, it's gotten old. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" is just not cutting it with Marvel anymore.
How is it old? 19 entries since the start of phase 4, only ones that have nano tech are NWH, BP2 which makes sense since Wakanda created the tech. And then antman. You could argue Thor:L&T was out of place, but every other entry has physical costumes or the handful of costumes that come from magic(scarlet witch, moon knight) which makes sense not being a physical costume
@@appawlicki something doesn’t literally have to be done a million times to be old. The novelty has worn off and the feature films are all trending in the same direction with the suit designs. If it was one or two heroes, maybe. Started with Tony and Endgame, then BP, then Thor, then NWH. Antman, almost every major character had a nano suit.
Remember the scene from the 1st Ant man? When Scott had to put on his helmet to use his abilities? That's great example of why nanotech feels soulless!
Couldn’t agree more. During Ant-man Quantum maniac, there was a moment where i actually thought “cassie is gonna talk now so her mask is gonna off” and after beating 2 guards it went off the moment they were down. I don’t know why but it somehow became a distraction. You can tell that the actors don’t respond to it at all either. Most of the time, the actors aren’t wearing a mask anymore when they have a dialoge scene after a fight and that makes it feel so weird, i’d prefer them to take it off or something. I really miss the movies where Marvel used practical and vfx together instead of “lets just slap cgi against anything that would take the slightest bit of effort”
in the theatre i didnt realize these suits were meant to be nanotech like ironmans or black panthers. i thought they were shrinking the suit and then resizing it to fit them when they pressed their chest. could've been a cool antman way to do that instead of the by this point cliche'd nanotech.
Totally agree! At least with BP we got to see a little more than just the costume appearing. There were those purple lines appearing that appeared to guide the nanites where to go. It’s such a simple little design detail that made it more grounded. Even Starlords mask did something like that.
I don't mind transformations but there is no reason for it to be 100% CG in every shot. A little practical prop goes a long way for an audience. Aside from that my only other problem is that they show a cool new suit at the end of a movie, which is maybe in a few scenes of the next movie before its again replaced almost immediately. Like Ms Marvel, she just got an awesome suit, its immediately being changed. Spider-man had like four suits in NWH. I think Captain America is getting a new NWO suit when he just got a suit at the very end of his series.
The whole nano thing is absolutely weird to me. It makes sense for Tony since he’s always been working towards this kind of thing(literally multiple movies of him iterating his armor to be modular and mobile so he can suit up on the go). Black Panther too I guess, but the others are just over the top.
@@appawlicki current mcu (not counting past characters) all 3 ant-man characters, black panther and others by association in that franchise, star lord, spider-man, vision, and not being directly nanotech, but thor and moon knight suffer from the same problem as well.
They might be doing this to lessen the cost of production and make editing faster but you're right it does look lazier and plain compared to the old ones
I agree. One thing I loved with the Andrew Garfield’s (vs Tom Holland) Spider-Man is that his suit folded and wrinkled like any non-metal suit would. Hell the had parts of it flapping in the wind when was swinging around in his 2nd film.
From the perspective of being a superhero and having to get in a sudden battle unexpectedly or at any time spontaneously, slapping my chest or arc reactor or materializing a klyntar symbiote on to put on your suit within seconds makes thing more convenient. But this would be only for lazy heroes
The first iron man suit up is still one of my favorite moments in these movies and I get your point. But with constant unmasking, may I point you to the anarchist V. We never once see his face, but through choice of words, tone and body language, you're still able to see what he's feeling at any given time. It could be a good chance for actors to be differently expressive
Even Ant Man 1 had a cool suit up scene in the shower that led to in my opinion one of the coolest Marvel scenes when Scott was figuring out his powers running into obstacles.
Tangibility is huge for people They don't feel like they understand the universe if they don't understand the superheroes powers. And if half of their powers is just "nanotechnology bro" then there's nothing to latch onto.
Arming scenes can be really important to the narrative structure of a story . This has been around since Homer's Iliad - perhaps ever earlier. (Paris in Book 3, Agamemnon in Book 11, Patroclus in Book 16, and Achilles in Book 19). It helps to foreshadow the outcome of the military conflict and gives you information on the hero. Unfortunately with Marvel, this has been diluted because there are so many characters.
One of my favourite parts about power rangers is the suit up sequences. I wish they would make things like that for marvel heroes. EDIT: i got a lot of comments talking about that the villians wouldn't wait for the transformation, but i mean that we get it in slowmotion like in infinity war. So that it takes like 10 seconds for us but only 1 second for the villians and heroes.
Yes, because villains will just wait and watch the hero just get ready without taking any advantage they can. I liked that style to as a kid, but as I grew older it makes more sense that they need a faster approach to being battle ready then just saying "OH LOOK A BAD GUY! Time to take 5 minutes shouting our names and suiting up while the bad guy just watches us off screen."
I really like the suit-up doctor strange did as he was jumping off the building he whips the cloak out of his pocket, and then uses magic to replace his suit with his costume. It was a real suit, he just conjured it with magic. He didn't use nanotechnology or anything, what he did fit his character's powers really well and I liked it a lot
That’s the thing: each character’s suit should compliment their powers. Iron Man CAN use nano tech, because it makes sense. Dr Strange can use magic. But there’s no reason Captain America or Falcon or Widow or the other more grounded heroes should have “instant suit-up” systems.
They did it in the first movie perfectly, the shrunk suit snuck into the jail cell! like they had the mechanic already and the scene with hope slapping it on was so fucking cringe dude second hand embarrassment jerked me off so hard I urked in my seat
nanotech should be extreamly expensive and limited, only the likes of tony stark and prince of wakanda can afford it. Its makes sense if antman dont have it.
Just because it exists in the setting doesn't mean it's cheap enough for everyone to have it. Tony has it because he's a bajillionaire. Black Panther has it because of Vibranium. But not _everyone_ should have it
Honestly, I disliked it even in infinity war, because it always felt like it was too perfect. In Iron Man 2 the suitcase armor is more flimsy and only has the repulsors for offence. In Iron Man 3 the mark 43 armor is the "problem child" from start to end. Meanwhile nanotech is treated as a pure upgrade, while simultaneously feeling less durable. In the final fight of Black panther, they have the impregnable armors be undone by the train thingy, yet this clear drawback is glossed over. And in Infinity war Thanos pulls Tony's armor apart as if it was paper, yet its not mentioned. Nanotech should be a more practical but less powerful alternative to the "real deal" and had it been used that way then I would have no issue with it. Had Tony commented upon leaving earth how he wished he had another suit with a more robust frame, but that he had to make do, that would have fixed it for that movie. And the "brand new fancy nanotech suit" being worn by the invader just screamed for a metaphor where T'Challa wears his fathers old suit while still fighting back against the old ways or something like that. Instead its just the new best thing, and has NO drawbacks and its perfect so shut up and watch this new movie... Its lazy, and is an example of how many of the newer movies lack the passion of the older movies. Its lazy, and the annoying part is it didn't have to be.
Ant-Man and Wasps suits should definitely not work that way, although I think the folding back helmets make a lot of sense for them considering if you don't have your helmet on you cant shrink, so it becomes incredibly necessary for them to have it integrated into one whole piece. However, that was also my biggest problem with Quantumania, they did their helmets on and off WAY too much, like you don't need to shcunk it off to say a couple words and then shcunk it back on two seconds later
While I agree on some level with you, I will say that it's common for people to use things that are most convenient, and nono tech is very convenient because they don't have to carry a duffle bag their super suits. Like they don't have to use a while suit up scene when they have to hurry up and leave and the suits can always be with them rather then they be without it when they all of sudden need it but don't have there bag or something with their suit in it
I’d like to call on an example in Star Wars the clone wars season 7 *spoilers* When Ashoka takes off Rex’s helmet gently, you can hear the subtle hiss of the helmet, revealing Rex who’s crying. Imagine that scene with nano technology. The impact of that scene would be so less impactful if Ashoka pressed a button on his wrist or chest and his helmet just dematerializes. Nano tech was cool the first time it was introduced. I actually quite like it, and despite that I still got tired of it. The old Ironman suit ups never get old for me compared to that
I couldn’t agree more. I miss the practical suits and the days when something as advanced as nano tech was used only by select characters and it wasn’t something easily achieved. It’s a very tired trope now, used as a lazy method for writers to avoid explaining costumes origins and the logistics of character suiting up. Which is sad if you ask me, like you said, suiting up used to be an exhilarating event in past films. Especially if a hero had to worry about protecting a secret identity. That moment when a hero is scrambling in a chaotic moment, attempting to stealthily use their superhuman abilities to protect others, but also make sure no one notices all while trying to secretly change one article of clothing at a time. Even better is when the character relies on their costume and weapons to be effective, like iron man. Those scenes in earlier movies where he was in a dangerous situation with nothing more Thant his wits, struggling to fight off villains with bits and pieces of armament and crude weapons cobbled together from his environment. Not to mention his armors used to have seriously flaws and limits that were frequently tested. It created real drama. Even when we first met T’Challa he used a practical suit made of woven vibranium and an accompanying cowl that both had to be physically removed, which in my opinion made for better cinema. For example, when Bucky takes him unawares he has no choice but to fight him in his t-shirt, which makes things more compelling. Then he has to find a moment to duck out and suit up, and when the chase ends later and he is revealed to cap and others, it so much more dramatic that he has to physically remove his cowl like a mask/crown. Imagine that scene from civil war which a disappearing cgi cowl, not the same. Not to mention I can’t stand the idea that every hero and superhuman across the MCU is capable of creating complex state of the art suits, armaments and gear. I mean, I prefer the idea that people have to use the services of a skilled individual with resources, like the Tinkerer or Stark.
Surprised you didn't mention just the bizarre suit up stuff from Love and Thunder, especially with how the helmets appeared on Jane and Thor (although that was once before it disappeared away for the rest of the movie.)
@@Kilovotis doesn't still make it annoying regardless. i dont think its a HUGE issue or anything, but it's just an extra thing that doesn't need to be there
I think also the bigger issue with nano tech is that it doesn't really add anything to what a character does, it detracts from how cool they were before. Like it makes sense for Black Panther to have nanotech but also it doesn't add anything for the character. Thats why I think the only character that really should use it is Iron Man, nano tech is essential to how he operated combat wise during infinity war. One aspect I really loved is that it had a clear advantage and downside, tony could create any construct he needed but he is using whatever remains of his suit to do it. Seeing him fight thanos by turning his arm into a blade but also exposing his body in the process made it feel like tony was fighting with whatever scrap of armor was left
I agree. Some of it makes sense. I had no problem with Iron Man because we’ve seen his history, same thing with iron spider because it was just that one suit I wish the Ant-man suit stayed like the quantum, jumping suit because I don’t like their mask disappearing, but it kind of makes sense with mask because now they have a place to put it instead of thinking where the hell did I put it
Im ok with some heroes having nanotech suits, but some not so much I think a really good suit up is Moon Knights as it isnt one he has to change into but its also not a nanotech suit, its one that he summons around himself due to Khonshus abilities. Also I think it looks amazing when the bandages slowly wrap around him then the hood just comes up.
I have something similar in my novels, specifically the third one in the trilogy. I have backpacks for my super soldiers, & with a flick of their wrist, the packs explode & then magnetically assemble to their joints. I think it's less tolerable in Marvel stuff right now because it's less of a spectacle now. But franchises like Mighty Morphing Power Rangers & Sailor Moon trained our brains to enjoy the morphing process as much as Werewolf transformations. . So in reality, if Marvel would just make the suit up process a bigger spectacle, this wouldn't be so problematic.
Definitely miss the leather Ant-Man suit! It was such an excellent contrast to Stark tech. Pym tech was possibly even more brilliant than Stark but on a budget so you have a man shrinking dodging bullets in a biker suit 👏👏 amazing.
@@davids.3584 For sure. It's much more stressful for Tony than IM3 which everyone loves. Everything is happening at once for him, tons of shit. Palladium poisoning, pepper, natasha, ivan, howard, fury, rhodey, justin. People say it's a disjointed movie, but I think it's perfect for what it is. Everything just goes wrong for tony, like real life sometimes. Works much better for me than IM3 with eeehhh panic attacks (the acting is great), but panic attacks can't go away in a minute and ptsd portrayal was cheesy IMHO.
I hate how there was no sense of awe or grandeur in Quantumania when Scott just slapped on the Ant-Man suit during the free fall. He just smacked the button on his chest and it’s instantly there. Sure Scott and Cassie were in the danger of dying from the fall, but Marvel already did the awesome suit-up sequence during a dangerous scenario bit back in Iron Man 3 with the Mark 42 during the mansion attack.
I write my own stories, not for big movie or tv projects, or even so that I can publish them as a book, I just write stories for myself because I like it, and I like taking my characters into new interesting angles, and coming up with new stories for those characters. But If I were to make them into a movie series, then the way my MC (main character) and plenty of other other super hero characters in it would suit up is just, magic… that’s it just, magic. But I would make it into cool VFX shots where magical tendrils would flow around the character slowly pushing inwards as it forms their suit, I’m pretty sure that wasn’t a good explanation for how it would look, but if I ever get a chance to do a 3d animation of it or something, I guarantee it would look so much cooler than it sounds. I guess you could say it would look like as if these magical tendrils would flow across their body as it forms this nano-tech looking suit.
