this obsession with idols being gay 

This is like an hour late. I was busy sry about that 😭

Shipping is quite weird lgbtq+ or not. These are real people and they spend a lot of time together who knows how shipping makes them feel. Imagine being shipped with your closest friend yknow. it’s a boundary

The group that I feel is the legitimately scary are Taekookers (V and Jungkook of BTS shippers). V has literally told fans to knock it off because I think it makes him uncomfortable and he’s hinted multiple times he would like publicly date women. Fans of the ship recently attacked a COMPANY that works with BTS for not feeding a fantasy about matching necklaces. They’ve treated Jimin horribly because he’s “stealing” Jungkook. When BTS do finally start dating publicly I fear for their partners. They treat them like dolls. It’s so creepy.

KPop members: being homies KPop stans: BE WHO YOU ARE, FOR YOUR PRIDE

This is so accurate with dreamcatcher like the girls are literally best friend, super close to each other and very playful I feel uncomfortable when some insomnias keep obsessing over the girls sexuality ! Like sua for example said many times that she expresses love with skinship that doesn't make her lesbian or straight it's just a character trait. I'm scared that if one of the girls ever date a male in the future they would face wrath from lesbian somnias

Straight woman's obsession with gay man always made me really uncomfortable to be honest but, not only in the kpop community, it's been so normalised. I've seen so many people complain about straight man who watch lesbian p0rn, then turn around and pretend straight woman watching gay p0rn is completely normal and harmless. If it annoys me as a bissexual, I can only wonder how bad gay guys must feel about this. (Sorry for any spelling mistakes, english is not my first language)

Regardless of if the idol is in the lgbt or not (open or close) people should just respect it like it’s ok to have BOTH straight and lgbt idols and it’s their choice if the idol wants to talk about sexuality or not.

I think two other aspects are 1) female bg fans not being able to accept their fave being with a woman who isn't them so they'd rather them be gay with a member of choice and 2) treating idols as if they are like dolls you can mold or characters you can headcanon as certain things. I'm involved in a lot of fandom spaces where we have lots of headcanons and stuff but having headcanons of sorts about real people is just creepy to me. It's fine when it's fictional characters because they aren't real, but when it's real people and you're just assuming something and forcing it on real people, it borders on creepy.

I never understand why people care so much about their sexuality, I'm just here for the music. Idc what they do in their personal life honestly. If they are straight, that's fine if they are queer, that's fine too.

"A lot of people are obsessed with the idea of 'looking gay' not being gay." THISSSSSSSS. people are so out of reality. There is also people who treat mental illness as an aesthetic and im like.... Girl...

"What is your sexuality?" Ma'am, this is a Wendy's, would you like to order or not?

here's my take; fanfics between members will always be weird, cringey and DISGUSTING and it shouldn't be so normalized

It's the fact that in K-pop idols are made to do things that seem "gay" as in the game with where they have to pass a piece of paper with their mouths etc which is used as entertainment and none of the idols doing that are shunned by society. Compared to this Holland (who's an openly gay solo artist) is ignored within Kpop and also attacked in Korea for being gay yet no one seems to look at him or acknowledge him or what is happening to him. Fans (and Korea) are ok with idols being "gay" for entertainment purposes however if an idol is openly gay than they get ignored or shunned by society within Korea Sorry for this huge essay 😅

I start to get so annoyed when i see people assuming kpop idol’s sexuality.

I saw the title and I was like FINALLY. It needs to stop. As a lesbian it kind of bothers me that people are obsessing over whether someone is gay or not. 1, it's none of their business. 2, the fetishizing in fanfictions and in media is excessive and gross

there’s something else about skinship though. between idols and koreans in general it’s like… a cultural norm? cuddling and like kissing each other’s cheeks isn’t a big deal if they’re close, so its not always about marketing, its just a cultural norm that fujoshis can’t accept because they want to fetishize two attractive men

THANK YOU this is so true !!!! literally every fandom is making edits of 'x group being gay for x minutes' and obsessing over them liking each other...it's the whole reason why the 'chapstick game' (idols on both end of a snack and eat it until their faces are really close together) is still encouraged even though in my opinion it's clearly queerbaiting most of the time.

OMG YES THANK YOU I had this conversation with a friend who is straight and I kept saying to her : « why are LGBTs so angry about assuming people’s sexuality but they KEEP assuming others are gay??? » I am part of the LGBTQ+ community, but I cannot understand. Assuming you to be straight is an insult but you assuming someone is gay isn’t ?? The skinship thing LOOKS overdone by some group members (not going to name, you know who they are). So imagine how many others do skinship because they have been told to when it seems so genuine ?? We will never know. I have big problems especially with the posts saying « Felix bi king » « Sana bi queen » and sh*t like that. Even if they are, they did not come out. If they didn’t, it’s because they are reasons. So PLEASE stop that ? Would you like people to out YOU without your consent ? « But it’s so obvious, I can sense it » This is sooo bullsh*t. You cannot sense someone’s sexuality. The looks and the attitude doesn’t mean anything. A very manly, big, bald strong man can be gay while a very feminine one, who looks openminded and talks about taboo society topics can be straight. You do not sense anything. You don’t have the power to be this insensitive because you are in a minority it doesn’t excuse anything.

Also, skinship between same sex is pretty common in Korea. They go to the spa together, change their clothes in front of each other, female friends hold hands

it's really disgusting to see idols who are literal best friends getting sexualized just for being affectionate to each other, this is why i hate shipping so much

Yess to all of this! I see a lot of people assuming the sexuality of Ryujin all the time, to the point where it’s kinda weird. A lot of people know her as the gay one in ITZY but she’s never said that she’s gay or dated a woman publicly (for obvious reasons, bc she would not have a career in korea and might be hate-crimed), they all just assume she is based on stereotypes. Also people misinterpret her word a lot. As a wlw myself, I think there’s so much more to Ryujin than whoever she wants to date, and a sexuality is not the same as a personality. You can dress “feminine” and still like women. And you can act like a tomboy and still be straight. People are complicated but the sad truth is most of them are straight. If you want representation there are plenty of out and proud lesbians/gay guys out there, you don’t need to assume the sexuality of someone else. Also in such a homophobic country these kinds of assumptions could be dangerous to the idols. If it is true, you’re literally outing someone before they’re ready and putting their whole career at risk.

I think the culture part isn't talked about enough. In East Asia in general, friends tend to be more touchy with each other (ex. some of my guy friends sit on each other's laps...platonically...), not saying that this doesn't happen in the west, but I can easily see someone from North America see two idols clinging to each other and immediately asking "are they gay-" On another note, great video 💕I'm glad you talked about the issues beyond privacy and assumptions, esp the aesthetic part. You're doing awesome ✨

just wanna share an experience that i had regarding this topic; i think it's pretty well-known that majority of loona's fans (orbits) are part of the lgbtq+ community. there was this one viral tweet that a fan account tweeted about something along the lines of if a loona member will date a man, then the fandom will be in shambles. the tweet was flooded with many replies and qrts of people saying that they will genuinely be upset if it will ever happen and that they would not support it. idk how serious those people were or if they're just joking, but the way that most seemed really upset even just by the idea was pretty concerning. us orbits already have a bad reputation of the way we "respect" other people, so seeing these reactions was really disappointing to see. especially when dating in kpop is still kind of a taboo and could potentially get them hate from knetz ig the point that im trying to get here is that we really shouldn't get attached to these idols, and most importantly, not assume their sexuality if they hadn't confirmed it 🤷‍♀️

Some ‘fans’ got angry at GWSN Miya for making a comment which hinted at her might being straight. They thought because she dresses up as androgynous that she might be gay.

Yes please every fucking fandom do this,OmG the members are hugging “gay panicked”

It's sad for best friends who are really close with each other that people also assume their sexuality and that they're dating just because they're two peas in the pot.

can we also talk about another weird obsession that kpop stans have (specially gg stans) about being misandric and hating men for no reason, like the amount of energy that some stans put into donwplaying men and their fans for no reason is very weird. i remeber vividly seeing a lot of people on twitter saying that they dont like ggs going to military performances because those shows are just a bunch perverts preying on female idols, like dead ass telling you that military men are nothing but degenarates, very infuriating.

someone should show this video to the taekook shippers-

THANK YOU. I'm a ONCE and the fandom really normaliced this type of behaviour a lot (also shipping). We literally have the whole "Is Sana gay" joke. And I also get that it's really easy to ship the members because they have A LOT of chemestry, and sometimes I say stuff like "they look like a merried couple" as a joke, and some of the members joke about it too (like Jeongyeon saying on Instagram that her trip to Busan with Jihyo felt like their honeymoon), but sometimes it gets kind of serious and it's uncomfortable. Like, I love thir moments together, but we can see them as just pretty frindship moments (which they are), but some people turn this into shipping and it gets ruined.

Idk if this is related but the first two cases I remember of ppl being shocked that their biases are (surprise, surprise) straight are HyunA and Hani (EXID). I vividly remember this one RU-vid video someone made theorizing that HyunA was lesbian because of "hints" scattered in her Hip & Lips MV. Well, that didn't age well obviously. And for Hani, it was recently reported that she's dating a psychologist and ppl were commenting on twitter under a certain post that said, paraphrased, "I was surprised, a man?" and a reply said, "same, a man???" like... what..? people should really just.. idk, stop.

I remember when there was some video where Hur Hyunjun(ex TBZ)was asked if he was gay since he was in a BL drama and played a gay character, he said that he is not gay and he was just only playing a character(can people please separate an actor from a character), it was so irritating to watch, he looked uncomfortable when he saw the question😕

Orbits insomnias and onces making their whole fandom and group personality being gay, attacking people for saying anything related to men or even suggesting their idols are straight and bg stand litreally shipping the whole group together 💀

Overall we shouldn't assume idols' sexualities, but it's better for idols to be labelled as straight in SK because of the way the industry currently is. Whether they become more progressive or not, only time will tell, but for now it's just how it is. Shipping in general, whether queer or not doesn't bother me, until it starts to affect an idol's personal life because people get upset when the idol's SO isn't the person they were shipped with. Anyway, stan Moonbyul and Seori for being brave enough to give us an inclusive bop- but don't assume their sexualities because of it >:(

i also don’t get the “wanting representation” argument to why they use kpop idols as puppets and overanalyze their interactions just to say they’re queer. as a trans girl i’ve never once sought out representation in kpop or felt as though i was entitled to representation in kpop. when i heard about “lady” (all transgender kpop gg) i was like “oh that’s cool” and listened to their song. i don’t think there’s anything such as “too much representation” but that argument is irrelevant, there’s so many lgbtq celebrities/actors & it’s usually western fans saying this (at least what i see on twitter) so i know it would be a lie to say they have no representation of themselves or their identity in the media. maybe it’s because there’s a different stigma around being trans in contrast to being queer ofc kpop stans would think it’s weird to label someone they don’t know irl as transgender because they want “representation” in their fave industry, but it’s same idea.

Idols care for each other Stans : sO GaY !!

Another thing is that I think a lot of k-pop fans who have this obsession with which idols could be lgbt or not don’t actually care about representation of the reality of what being lgbt means, they just like the “aesthetic” and the idea of their idol being something that’s trendy right now. Just like they’d like to believe that idols are more progressive/left than they really are. It’s no coincidence that idols with “gay rumors” are popular and the few actually out idols are not successful.

I’ve dealt with a lot of assumption of sexuality for a big chunk of my life and to me it really halted my ability to find my sexuality. I’m a more feminine man so people I have been assumed as gay so much. But I’m not exactly gay. Generally I am bisexual, specifically bisexual heteroromantic. So basically I find both men and women attractive physically, but only women romantically. I spent so long denying the fact that I had some attraction towards men because I never felt romantically attracted to any man but everyone thought that I was gay. I’ve found that some people part of the lgbtq+ community that I have met push a lot on getting people to come out and declare their sexuality when I wasn’t even ready. This might just be my experience, but it has really made me grown resentful of within group ships because I don’t like people assume and pushing a sexuality on others because at the end of the day, nobody knows except the person themselves.

How do you assume the sexuality of a person you don't know? with stereotypes, and that's a problem, I always read comments like "it's obvious he's gay", "he's so gay" and I wondered how a gay person should act? if you don't have those characteristics you're not gay? they simplify it a lot to the fact that if he seeks contact or is more friendly and social he is gay, and if he is more reserved and does not like contact so much he is heterosexual, I think they use idols to project their fantasies, stereotypes and their insecurities, like " X idol is like that, I'm also like that so we're the same"

As a lesbian I have found that it’s a very normal experience to wonder if maybe someone that pings you as gay COULD really be gay. It‘s because we do have less couples and people with similar experiences to relate to, so it almost makes your heart burst to think that someone you like might be like you. It can be very lonely coming to terms with your own sexuality and fandoms are often where you form your first lgbt+ friendship groups, which are so important for us. But what I don’t agree with is making someone‘s sexuality a public discussion and I feel uncomfortable when it reaches the idol or they get exposed to fanfiction and videos that cross the line. If they are gay then it would be incredibly scary and dangerous for them to be at risk of being outed. It‘s okay to wonder but let‘s leave it there.

THANK YOU? i’m SO tired of non fans of x group calling certain member “ gay icon “, “the fruity one “, etc, as if being “” gay “” is their only personality trait. it happens in EVERY GROUP-

Tbh as a latina queer person, Im getting tired of the use of "queerbaiting" some cultures are touchy, not everyone should be seen from the american culture prespective. Hugging and holding hands with my friends is really normal in my homecountry. Even kissing my friends would be normal in some contexts. Ive seen korean men talk about how the things male idols do and gets called queerbaiting is normal behavior. Also like queerbaiting is only that if the idol in question isnt gay, and we dont know that.

The chances of a lot of these idols being actually homophobic, even by ignorance, is way higher than most of them being actually LGBTQ+, especially in such a conservative country. I'm pretty sure a lot of like homophobic jokes/slurs are probably common for a lot of people in South Korea. Didn't Holland, a soloist who's openly gay got beat up while walking on the streets the other day? Was it in Itaewon? I don't remember the exact street. I don't see these shippers who love to act like their faves are gay talking about actual LGBTQ+ discussions happening in Korea right now.

As a queer person, I only read the title and immediately knew I’d agree lol It honestly makes me really uncomfortable, especially as someone who tends to be really clingy with my friends.

honestly i never saw the hype around shipping idols, like i have my favourite pairings in certain groups but shipping them romantically or sexually is so weird

I am part of the LGBTQA+ community, and it makes me uncomfortable seeing sexuality-based edits or posts about idols. ESPECIALLY when they're minors or barely of legal age. Seek help. Stop making everything sexual. It doesn't help the dated stereotype that anyone who isn't hetero or cis is a sex-crazed deviant.

I don’t like the idea of forced Skinship, I’ve heard people behind the camera tell idols to do more. I get creeped out by the idols that are obviously Uncomfortable with certain types of Skinship, Like being kissed. If an idol is saying no or struggling to get away, they need to leave them alone. Even though some of these idols feed into it, The sexual shipping is just wrong. These are real people. The sexual fan fic is even worst

some kpop stan only became a fan of a specific group just because they are "fruity". WTH?

100% agree, and some ppl don’t realize that excessive shipping can ruin friendships, ppl really need to tune it down a lot

i think the best thing to do is not assume, like, nobody needs to know your sexuality unless you're pursuing them so just don't assume. like obviously there are going to be gay, but you don't know who it is, same way assuming someone's straight is harmful like if you see people assume you're straight when you're not it's going to hurt you and vice versa. MORAL OF THE STORY: DON'T ASSUME !!!!

This is the reason why I love Cheryl, she's brave enough to speak about things that matter. My precious girl! 😌🦋🦋

Gosh yasss! Finally, someone is talking about this! And I also wanna talk about another thing which doesn't exactly come under this topic, but it's still related! So I am a rosie biased, and it kinda pisses me off how some blinks and her stans have spread this "she hates men" agenda sm over the years! Like mate, you don't even know her at the first place? Its misandry at its finest but y'all rub it off saying that its just an harmless, "inside joke" within the fandom! Not to forget how it escalated to another level when a dating rumor of her and suzy came out! Ppl making jokes of it saying that "she's as straight as a circle", "if that doesn't hint you enough that she isn't straight"..plz its soo embrassing especially if you put yourself in their shoes😬! Kpop stans love giving clapbacks to haters calling idols gay by replying that "we support them regardless of whom they are, coz we stan them & their talents, not their sexuality"! But ironically, they are the ones obsessing over idols' sexuality at the end of the day by shipping and stuff! The double standards, I-

Not just in kpop but in general shipping real people together has been a huge ick of mine

People Always Assume Idol Sexuality Or Ship Idols For Fun. But Why Can't They Just Go Support The Very Little But Actual LGBTQ+ Groups & Soloists. Like Here Go Support Them: 1. Lionesses (A Gay Boy Group) 2. Som Hein (Bi-Sexual) Idk if this is Her Name Spelling 3. Aquinas (Bi-Sexual) 4. MRSHLL (Gay) 5. Holland (Gay) 6. That Member Of Lalary These Are The Only Ones That I Know Off

Fans just don’t understand the concept of fan service. If the company notices one member being shipped with another, they will have them interact with each other more. Also a lot of kpop fans are part of the community, so if we idols acting like that we are more likely to put money into the group which is what the company’s want.

This is the first time I've seen someone voice the same opinions as me and it's great. Also the lack of acknowledgement of bi/pansexuality from Kpop Stans is super uncomfortable. Or the concept of, example: 'twice's lesbian line' is honestly messed up.

Shipping people in general has always been weird to me but it became so normalized I ignored the parasocial Cupids💀✋🏾

Thank you! Many people do this, saying "this idols did x and x, such a gay icon" and it pisses me off...

Honestly this reminds me of myself. Im usually really touchy with my girl friends (and they dont mind it) at school and there are some girls who are like "omg are you gay? Haha" like no thats just my way of showing affection to the people I love. Please dont assume someone's sexuality, its literally none of your business.

The only thing that makes someone gay is them being gay. Isn't that what gay people say all the time? So why when it comes to idols do people assume that just because they're showing skinship or being loving = them being gay?

Can we just stop assuming sexualities ??? As long as they dont openely state "Hey im straight/gay/lesbian/bisexual/pansexual/...etc. simply leave it, guys kpop is a music genre .... remember that and i as a member of the lgbtq+ community feel shit when people assume my sexuality being straight and straight people feel also shit getting assumed to be part of the lgbtq+ community so dont do that :)

THANK YOU! This is a conversation that needed to be had. The amount of shippers in the kpop community is disturbing and it's honestly darkened my experience as a kpop stan to see it so often.

I wanna say, thank you for being the only channel out there that has the courage to address things like that. I've never seen this topic discussed anywhere else so thank you a lot.

I think we all get vibes from people and assume sexualities even if we don’t mean to. The important thing is keeping that opinion to yourself! You don’t need to put everything online. Shipping imaginary characters is fine Shipping real people, no matter their sexuality isn’t.

Honestly Im so glad u r talking about this as a tomboy who has been shipped with my female friends in highschool its seriously so werid and annoying so I can imagine how famous idols feel when its not just a few classmates shipping u with ur friends but a million random strangers 💀

i'm a once, and like 95% of our international fandom is gay. like reallyyyyy gay. and as queer people, we naturally call everything gay. most of the time it's a joke but then u see some people (mostly minaXchaeyoung shippers) that go *way* too far. make weird edits, create false narratives, and even bring the ship up to mina and chaeyoung themselves which is😬😬😬 good thing twice literally do not gaf another thing that kinda bothers me, and this might be unpopular. but i hate when kpop stans bring up lgbt issues to idols... like i know we all want validation. that's natural. but i prefer the more sincere support that comes from the celebrities themselves and not when somebody asks them and they have no other choice but to say they support it, and then maybe face criticism from knetz😭 when twice (yes i'm using them for examples again lol) said multiple times, even on national tv, that they think 2 women and 2 men can also be in relationships. or when they sang born this way and decided to include the lgbt part. or sana acknowledging fangirls wanting to marry her lol etc. it feels way more accepting and validating than when somebody forces it out of them and about queerbaiting... when monster by irene&seulgi came out i was living for it cause as a gay woman, i love watching women even exist... simple lol... i didn't have any issue with it but then i went on twitter and saw a lot of people complaining about them queerbaiting. and i totally get that but then you start questioning "what if some of them are gay and making this video and singing this song felt freeing in a way?"... if anything, i'd rather blame the companies than the artists. and don't even get me started on when kpop stans accused gidle of queerbaiting when soyeon wrote oh my god... that song literally perfectly described an lgbtq+ person living in a conservative country. so many fans, including myself, could relate to the lyrics and felt seen but kpoppies always have to police everything and ruin the fun. then there are idols like heechul tho, who's said he's straight but then continued making out with his members on stage and capitalizing on it... *that* is actual queerbaiting and i do have an issue with it🤷‍♀️ siwon too. shoved his tongue down his members' throats multiple times and then proceeded to retweet a christian home of phobic tweet...

Yoohyeon of Dreamcatcher correct one time an interviewer saying she like hard working people and not man. Since then people Always assumed her sexuality. Ig was so tough for her, she even ask people go stop doing that on weverse Another thing is anything is becoming being gay like just wearing an outfit or hold an item. It's just marketing or fake support but nothing really engaging

Guys iam gonna say something and idc if you disagree: the majority of kpop stans are teenagers between (13-18) with a mesirable social life , they don't even know what happen between real friends this is why they translate everything idols do to "gay love" to feed thier imagination

Totally agree that idols probably are told to ham up skinship for the camera. It’s also worth noting that in general, same sex touch in public doesn’t have the same connotation in Korea as it does in the West. A lot of the skinship between idols is truly just how close friends treat one another in Korea. Korean netizens in general aren’t looking at these moments and thinking “oh they’re gay” they’re seeing normal affection between friends. It’s just an example about how international K-pop stans simply don’t fully understand the context of the culture they’re witnessing.

3 things from me 1. Assume other people sexuality is not good no matter gay or straight 2. Stop being obsessed with other people's sexuality, it's annoying 3. As a gay man, not everything is about lgbtq stfu edit: Clarification of point 3, i'll give you the examples of what i've seen (non-kpop related) 1. People say that elsa (frozen) is lesbian because she didn't fall in love with a man in the film when literally she can be independant women 2. People say that Luisa (Encanto) is trans because she is musculine when literally she can be musculine women

"there are people wanting representation that don't deserve representation" I just now realized that the story I read years ago about a girl being solely attracted to homosexual men is borderline fetishization. The youtuber who read the story on her channel googled it and there was a name for it and everything. People are just too afraid of being canceled nowadays, they don't dare to question other people, no matter how questionable their beliefs etc are.

I don't mind idols admiting they are straight.

"IS SANA GAYYY" Jokes aside I can't wait to watch that video bc it's gonna be interesting for sure

They are the reason why I don't want Mina and Chaeyoung only both in a long videos together. Their friendship is kinda tarnished with their fans' fantasy. Everytime Chaeyoung is doing live her live chat always asking her about Mina, EVERY TIME. And I feel like MiChaeng shippers main bias only likes Mina and Chaeyoung just happened to be there, feel bad for Chaeyoung. The popularity difference between both women are just so big. I'm not forgiving them for what they think they can do to Chaeyoung. Edit: they're so desperate that they wish Chaeyoung is bisexual because of rumour that she was dating with tattoo artist guy. Like if she's a bi, leave her alone, her sexuality is none of our business, it's just a sexuality, why make it a whole thing. And I have taken back what I said wrong to clear the misunderstanding, I was meant to speak on about their desperation about idols sexuality.

First of all I want to thank you for landing this controversial topic and this great video. In MY opinion I feel like this will continue to happened no matter what bc we as human are wicked... We always want to have something without really having it, we want it but we don't want the responsibility that comes with it. That's why we have fantasies, and we want our idols to achieve our "wicked" fantasies but at the same time we won't accepte it as a reality bc it's a fantasy and it should stay like that... I hope y'all get what I mean I've try my best to make it clear Also I'm sorry if there are spelling mistakes I'm not a native English speaker

like yesterday holland posted a picture and “gay” kpop stan’s started being homophobic towards him. like why do gay people act as if they can’t be homophobic themselves. sometimes i think people fake being gay too because why is your homophobia so so strong. very odd people. they praise straight kpop males for wearing makeup, or “breaking gender norms” but when an actual gay person “acts” gay, they bash them. like be serious.

This is the first video about this topic that I actually agree with. Most of the times people just say "don't assume idols' sexualities" and that's it. You dissected the problem to the root and how it may start with good intentions (searching for representation) and end up as an obsession. I think my main problem with the queerbaiting's debate is that we actually don't know if it's queerbaiting. Like, 9 times out of 10 it probably is, but then there is that 1 time when an idol is actually queer and being comfortable in what they are doing and that 1 time must be protected. It's a problem because assuming everything in K-pop as queerbaiting can invalidate the experiences of queer idols. There are groups who were confident in their "queer songs" and they worked on them. Like Gidle for "oh my god" and OnlyOneOf for Libid0 (they made the choreo). How can we relate to that? Is it queerbaiting or is it real? We can't possibly know, so I'm always catious in saying I hate queerbaiting if I'm not sure something is actually queerbaiting. Otherwise we go back to banning anything "queer" for fear of queerbaiting. It's a difficult topic. And I don't think groups will stop doing that. It just brings recognition and money. Look at the success of Oh my god and Tomboy. Or how DKZ became very popular in SK after one member was an actor in a BL. Same with OmegaX when know two members are starring in a BL. Again, how can we stop it if people enjoy it and this groups gain recognition they wouldn't otherwise have? And again, how can we be so sure to the point of condemning them if we don't know if they are queer or not? But I do agree in SK and Asia in general the support for this queer "representation" is much stronger than the support they would give to people who are actually queer. And about assuming people's sexualities, I just don't like when people complain about other people thinking an idol is gay but at the same time they say things like "omg his wife will be so lucky". I don't like it both ways. But I agree more times than not we imagine people as straight before being told otherwise. I still think an open minded person wouldn't mind if someone assumed their wrong sexuality. I wouldn't care if someone thought I was gay, why would it bother me? Unlsess I specifically state my sexuality, then I don't see the problem. I wouldn't be "uncomfortable". But maybe this is just me, idk.

Lisa is being trashed by taekookers because of the Celine event. Like it's just an event she's not going to marry him. That's why I feel iffy about shipping real people in general anyways. So I have never understood the shipping in kpop groups 🙃

As an nctzen who’s active on twitter, i couldn’t agree with you more. So many ships and so many gay jokes like it’s so not funny.

Another thing I hate how fandoms make jokes about idols possible sexual orientation. Even calling them homophpbic derogatory terms "he's so fruity" for his behavior or even a slur. If any of these idols are gay or bisexual they're most likely in the closet and are going through a lot and it's not funny to mock them. Idk homophobia will never be funny to me.

Watch people call you homophobic or something like that over this 💀💀

To answer the last question - no, they won't be supportive. Why? Because it won't be the fantasyland of fanfics, where two hot idols from one group have passionate affair. It will be the reality, where the hot male idol's boyfriend will be someone, I don't now, balding or too old or too boring or in some other way not meeting their childish expectations. Suddenly they will be called "problematic" and left in the dust.

You have done it once again Cheryl!😭💯 It also irks me when assumption of an idol's sexuality is called out for some by doing the most but they get immediately silenced/literally bullied (called all kinds of phobic😬) by ppl in their own fandom whom are in the lgbt+ community. These exact ppl shutting others down use their lgbt+ as a pass to constantly do this & it really needs to stop. I have seen this happen with a nugu grp all because one idol is supportive of the lgbt+ community by interacting with fans. It's just so disheartening to see this toxic cycle never end. Before anyone asks, I'm in the lgbt+ community myself. It's sad that it's never peaceful & kpop fans always need to have something to fight over/be angry about. Anyways, I'm really glad you brought up this topic as it really needs to be addressed.

Thank You! I'm straight but respect the LGBTQ+ community. Everyone should find his happiness, no matter with whom. BUT it gets on my nerves when fans assume things about very private things from a Kpop idol. Even if two girls or two guys love each other, that's their thing. That's nobody's business. Among Orbits, for example, it's seen as a joke but what happened a few years ago with a male fan who shared a lot on Twitter from KCON LA (so-called LOONACON), that was crazy. A female fansite incited her friends to bash him because he is a man. Those who were around at the time know the people I'm talking about. I thought they were nuts. Since then I've stayed away from Orbits. I continue to be a fan of LOONA but call myself Loonatic (pre-debut name). I don't want to have anything to do with the rest of the fans since then.

People need to remember that being gay in South Korea can cause an idol to lose their career. So yeah, when idols are being touchy and are "flirting" with each other, its either they're just messing around and are just comfortable with skinship or its just fan service.

Fans really need to stop projecting their personal desires. I’ve always been too scared to call out the queer baiting. Literally my favorite K-pop group queer baits to the max, and if I were to call out the shippers and the group for the bait I’d be called ‘homophobic’ even though I’m bisexual. I’ve seen comments from shippers looking up marriage laws outside of Korea for certain members that they ship, and the fact that they go above and beyond to make analysis videos also blows my mind. It’s quite scary how out of touch fans are, and some aren’t even young.

I am so happy that someone FINALLY opens up about this. I think the reason why some people especially kpop fans rarely open up about this issue because of other fans. Those fans might hate on them or say negative things because these people who find this shipping an issue mainly gay shipping, hate the fact that people are not going along with their fantasies. Both straight and gay shipping are not great. Because you are one shipping people who probably don't know each other or are just friends, two you don't even know how these people feel about the shipping you are doing and three you are assuming their sexuality mainly because they just interacted or they are being feely and stuff. It's really sad. I hope more people open up about this issue because this really needs to be talked about and learned about.

If y’all wanna see the damage shipping real people has done, please look up LARRY(1D) and CAMREN(5H). Lauren from Fifth Harmony even cried addressing her problem with fans shipping her at a time she wasn’t out and how scared and vulnerable she felt. It also ended up ruining their friendship because fans would often take EVERYTHING they did out of context and make it about each other, leaving no room for their personal selves. The fans that act like this think they’re being supportive by “knowing the truth” when in reality, they’re just making a possible straight person very uncomfortable and outing a possible gay person and making them feel very vulnerable and like they should hide in the closet “better”.

Being touchy and affectionate toward your friends doesn't define sexuality I think it's something more related to culture for example in my culture , we get more touchy especially with our besties but that doesn't mean we're dating it's just acceptable in our culture and a lot of foreigners who come to our country think that the whole population is LGBTQ 😂

I got bombarded with “woosan” videos the moment I started to take interest in Ateez. And also “Hongwha” if that’s what the fans call them.

Not related to the topic of the video as I still haven't watched all of it, but I just love how your channel gives us a place to actually discuss different subjects important to us. I don't think I've ever seen any other place like this where kpop fans would actually think rationally and converse so freely about each other's opinions. Thank you🖤

Exactly bruh and now also for any normal show where the two main characters for exemple are really close with each other .Theyre being seen as "secretly in love" "in the closest" "her wife and she doesn't know it" "gay panic" and it just ruins the show in general 😐 people cant appreciate a good friendship anymore without shipping being their only motive in life . I personally feel like the people who do that need to realize theyre making people uncomfortable and they should stop this bizarre behavior.

It's them assuming things for me and using random clips to prove it especially around female idols .. Just because a female didn't smile around a man or gave a certain unpleasant expression then she hates men nah and she's a les too.. I can't believe how shallow thinking some people are.. And again if companies using idols s*xualities and ships for fan service please y'all then I hope you gonna rethink about your life decisions.. Stop forcing your theories on idols and supporting this type of behaviour

I feel so embarrassed that I used to ship idols and assume they're gay when I first got into kpop. And it's funny cuz I'm queer lmao. It's seriously so weird that so many kpop stans ship idols, write fanfictions, assume they're gay, etc. It probably won't ever stop, but I just hope kpop stans can realize that it's weird

This is so true and not just in kpop. Even if the person of topic has revealed themselves as a straight person, people will convince themselves that they aren’t just because of some sentences and a couple of things they do that are actually what many normal people do. People like Ryujin and Stray kidz have always been associated with being gay just because she called a girl pretty and because they share skinship (you mentioned it to be a normalized culture) and said a couple of sentences about being close respectively. My opinion of someone won’t change depending on their sexuality and I’ll support them regardless but it really bothers me when people assume and convince themselves that someone’s sexuality is what they think it is. The company may not even engage in or encourage queerbaiting but their fandom might still continuously make the members sexuality a topic of entertainment

That's it you're my favourite kpop RU-vidr to ever exist because this topic is something I've been so annoyed about and somebody finally decided to say it thank you 😭

What really gets me is that all of these people that fetishize lgbtq relationships and ship their idols would probably be hateful/angry/devastated if it turns out that their idol is actually gay. I see this a lot with things like BL dramas people love the couple on screen and ship the actors off screen but then if there are rumors that either of the actors is actually gay they get hate thrown at them.

And the point is - when fans “assume” that their idols are straight it doesn’t actually harm those idols in any way BUT when they assume that their fave is gay it actually can harm people and their reputation, especially in such a conservative culture as korean, and I’m not even mentioning how it can ruin the friendships between members because of all the assumptions and conspiracy theories made about their “relationships” by their fans. So no, assuming that your bias is gay or straight are different things and you shouldn’t be coming after those who believe that their idols are straight with this stupid argument “but you’re assuming too! You cannot be sure too! We don’t know the truth! Don’t assume that they are straight because they never said they were!”

Finally someone brought up the topic!!! Thank you

I've BEEN waiting for someone to make a video about this!!!!!!

I have no problem with shipping as long as its not creepy and delulu. Like I ship these two idols(I won’t say group) there dynamic is nice but it’s not like Ima be mad if they date a girl. Its best not to assume anything unless they come out and say it. If ur gonna assume most likely they are straight