My Dad used lathes for many years. After working at the Chevy plant 20 years he taught me a lot. I have his Logan # 400 lathe with the tooling included. A 10" lathe, he made many projects. I have the actual instruction booklet it came with. It was mounted to a 2 door cabinet full of every tools he used. Time for me to clean it up a bit and get busy! Great videos you have!
I bought this exact lathe on Thursday! Paid $300, in great shape. You're video about taking one apart sure helped me out in moving it! So glad you are posting these videos. Going to be a huge help helping me learn about my lathe!
Mr. Pete, i just want you to know that i have been watching your videos for two days strait and don't want to stop. i love how you explain every detail on everything you do. most people wont take the time to show how to do things the right way like you do and i respect you for that. i'm only 20 years old and love your videos. so know you also have younger fans. i look forward to seeing more of your videos.
Benjamin Smith I did the same thing when I was deployed, watched nearly every video and now watch weekly when he releases a new video. If you are interested in machining check out Keith Fenner , you'll be busy for weeks watching all of his too.
Welcome aboard, Benjamin! I think there's a couple thousand of us hanging off of every word. I also recommend Tom Lipton at OxTools. Search for OxTools and subscribe there.
My dad was born and raised across the river in Alton. Left to go to the war and never moved back. You made me think of him tonight talking about your lathe from "Monkey Wards". I had not heard that since we lost him. Thanks for the memories!
nice old machines ,this morning is broken my flat bend of my 1936 sheldon lathe and now will y buy a new bend ,this things with a modern lathe that dont do it but the old lathes is simple to repaire good luck with this machines
Greetings from Romania, a far away in Europe country. You became a world wide guru of machine shop . A big comunity of machine shop enthusiast is watching all your videos with the biggest interest. God bless you mr pete . I assure you that you have more "likes" than your chanel shows. Just kieep it going
Mr. Peterson, my friend has one of these, the back gear was missing 2 teeth so I had them brazed and then used my Atlas shaper to recut the teeth. I put in 14 hours on his Logan and he gave me a Southbend Model C benchtop.I got the pegleg motor mount for it, and Joe at Plaza Machinery is sending me some cast iron legs for it. My Atlas was given to me for building a punch and die set that makes boiler spacers for White steam cars.Some of the spacers went in Jay Lenos White. Mike my friend builds boilers and gave me the Atlas. It is now totally restored and am now restoring the Model C. Already restored a Model A and B Southbends. The shaper and Model A came from the Nichols brothers lock and Machine in Chickasha, Ok. They built an airplane in 1911. Thanks for sharing your vast knowledge with all of us. Greg. Mikes 1905 model E won last year at Pebble Beach and I made his water pump shaft for it. Maybe someday I will get to go for a ride in it!
Can't wait to see your upcoming Logan videos. I have the same Logan 820 lathe you do, and while I cleaned, adjusted, and repaired it... I didn't paint mine either. I prefer functionality over cosmetics. Thank you for your excellent videos.
I have the exact lathe as the 3rd one mine is the logan with the quick change gearbox i got it for free as a trade for some carpentry work i did i had to dig it out of the mud it was half buried in i did a complete tear down cleaning and rebuild its operational but i still have a few more things to do to it,to make it 100% operational,i have had several offers for it and refused all of them i love the way its built so easy to work on and so many possibilities for upgrades
Boy wish lathe,s were easy to find out here! Utah is not very easy to find a good deal. Really appreciate your wealth of wisdom and they way you teach.
You go get all the lathes you want. I get to enjoy all your lathes in your videos. And your lathes did not cost me a dime. I just subscribed the other day and am already smarter for it.
I worked at as an auto restorer and we were given one of those lathes by a machine shop. The bed was warped so bad you could hardly use it but it was the nicest lathe I have ever used by far! 1st job we modified chevy brake drums to fit a Rolls Royce Silver Cloud. Saved $2000 first time i used it......
The lathe serial number is stamped on the right end of the ways, the number 820 is the model # for the quick change gear. The power cross feed button is under the cross feed hand wheel.
I will be watching for your complete tutorial on the LOGAN Lathes. I just bought a LOGAN 1400 table top for smaller projects I frequently have around the shop.
20:05 You don't paint up the lathes any more, you say, you leave them in their 'work clothes'. I love that choice of words, I'll remember that. Dennis Turk (the Dalton Lathe Whisperer) would spin in his chuck! (your videos have really helped thousands of people, you're a Godsend, Mr. Pete.)
Hello Mr Pete, Great video. There is a great live steam and threshermens show this weekend in Pinckneyville Illinois. Hope to see you there but it's a bit of a drive for you.
I'm 72 and run 4 Laundromats after I done my daily jobs I really love my recliner chair Plus I do have plenty on my plate too cleaning my 50x20 workshop out IS my next project so I can even get to my Lathe after my kids made THEIR mess ,grrrr.
I have model 815 almost identical to your except the cross slide extends out the back fot the taper attachment that is missing. I smashed my fingers under that lid. Ifixed that problem be moving the support bracket to the outside. Now I never have to reach inside to unhook it so the lid can close.
When I was about 12 My father bough a logan lathe, it had been sold to the UK as part of the lend lease.I had the job of removing the jelotine protection. As far as I no my brother still has it. I finished up with a Myford ML7 wish I got the Logan as promised by my father. It cost him the grand sum of 30 pounds sterlin in the 1950s
Put me down for a sale if you do make a series on the Logan lathes. I just bought an 820 today, so such a course would be very helpful. I plan to get your "shop tips" course, but one on the Logan lathes would be great.
That Logan really is a smooth running lathe, I like it. I agree about keeping busy with projects, I'd much rather be doing something than sitting on my butt watching TV. Especially considering what's considered entertainment today.
Mr. Pete, maybe you could stick one of the new LED bulbs in the light on your lathe. I use one in my old school drop light at work. I can bring it inside the cars I work on and it won't burn me or the interior.
Mr. Pete you now own the sister lathe to mine! Serial # 35545. Scott Logan told me that it was originally sold on March 14, 1946. I will be watching this series with great interest! As a member of yours over on LFE, I presume you'll put the entire course(s) there?
I also have a 1946 Logan lathe. It's a wonderful machine, I wouldn't trade it for a brand new lathe. Sitting really is bad for you. You might say that sitting is the new smoking, as far as things that will kill you.
Hi mrpete, With so many lathes and all the other stuff, are you eventually preparing a huge estate sale that the whole country will remember...? Because at the rate you're going, it will be huge, mostly if you keep healthy and active like presently. Keep on the the healthy mind attitude... Cheers, Pierre
You could run that key through Super Quench and it might be hard enough. If it has 40 points it almost certainly would be, but even mild steel hardens somewhat. Fun to try if you like that kind of thing.
If you get hold of the auctioneer they could get in touch with the man who bought the other lathe. Like you said on the other videos, maybe he doesn't know much about lathes. You could sell him the extra gears if they go to his lathe. Also he may need some extra chucks or tooling. Great videos.
Dear Tubalcain. Since I'm from Poland I can tell you that if that chuck is a Bison brand, that is a very good and expensive chuck. (new is like 1000$) 0,005mm of accuracy when new.
I still feel guilty like I ran over a puppy. We were demolishing a rolling mill in Markham Illinois. There must have been a hundred of those and various lathes and we were just grabbing them with excavator backhoes and chucking them into the recycling. I think just the chucks must have been worth a fortune. This town was a happening place probably in WW II. This was probably ten years ago when we were demoing the place. The town was so economically depressed, the liquor store had the big bulletproof windows on it. B the time we were getting into our cars to go home. you could hear tinkling of pieces of pipe the locals were salvaing to make some booze or drug money. I always have regretted being so lazy that I only got a one ton crane to put on my beam in the garage! All those lathes! Tragic. There was also a giant Kraft paper factory there. I think the only growth industry was parking lots. Where the locals would park their cars to get on the train to go somewhere.
Hi Mr Tubalcain, I ran across a Logan in bad shape. It doesn't have same setup you have on this 10" and was wondering what prices I would pay for a Logan. Pretty rusted being I found it in Louisiana and looks like it sat in flood waters. Gear cover on end is broken but still hangs by one hinge pin. No model number or serial number. It would be a project to completely disassemble and repair. Where would I find info? Your love of older machines is contagious. I will watch your other Logan video.
I got a logan 820 for free. The first thing I made with it was a t-handle screw for the toolpost. I wish there was a search bar on your youtube page so I could find these Logan videos easier.
Try using a little moreys oil stabilizer (there's another brand i can't remember) Oops LUCAS OIL STABILIZER it clings to the gears pretty well try some it comes in quart and gallon etc it's very good in transmissions and rear ends it'll cling to all those gears nice maybe even that bull gear Check here on you tube maybe they have a video of it. It's sold at good parts stores. ALL THE BEST SIR
Always interesting, I might have an opportunity to buy a Logan 12" but if I do I will probably have to store it for the winter to build a shop addition to put it in. Do you have a suggestion for storing lathes in unheated garages in order to protect from rust etc.?
I mounted my light onto the carriage so it can travel with the work I like my Logan 11" a lot I am in the process of adding larger dials to the compound and crossfeed
William Nebergall I couldn't find them using their search function. It came up with thousands of erroneous items not related to lathe dials. Can you give me a tip on how you found them? Thank you!
HemiRod23 okay I need to be more clear these are three and a quarter of an inch endmill dials I am modifying things to copy the stelling dial upgrade I have talked to Scott Logan and he said this should work I will put pictures on my google plus account of what I have done so far if you are in tublecains circle you should be able to see them
i will never mess with the belt area again without blocking the lid with a 2x4..... i just about broke my fingers when the damn thing slammed down on them. I never expected it.
the hole in the chip pan would be... if smoothed up a bit.. just about the right size and shape for a coolant sump and pump assy. should you decide you wanted a coolant system on this machine....just a thought
Hi Tubal, I enjoyed watching you go through all your auction stuff. I love doing that. I do have a question, you said you was going to give it a good cleaning. What type of cleaner do you use to clean it externally and internally? I have an old greasy dirty lathe I need to clean inside and out and was wandering how you go about cleaning it. Thanks, Tom
I bought an 820 on a Friday and found another one that very next day and bought it as well. The second 820 was completely disassembled ready to begin restoration. A really bought it for the parts which were in a condition that anyone would call pristine. The gears had absolutely no wear on them. The looked as if they were fresh off the shelf. The lathes are of dramatically different ages and ha e some incompatibilities. The second lathe came with the original 3 phase motor (I was told) however I had always under the impression that the Logan were originally equiped with 110/220 single phase. Perhaps you know the truth regarding this piece of trivia? I do not have the ability to test the motor unfortunately as I am not setup with three phase at my location. I almost hate to buy some sort of phase converter to test a motor that may not even work. I don't actually know what I'm going to do with this regards at this point. I have prepared a couple things on the First Lady the clutch was not engaging for some reason so I tore it apart and discovered a tiny spring that was out of its socket on The Head of the Class and smashed in between two plates. How it got beneath the plate is beyond me but it was flattened a little bit proof that it was there no damage was done to the plate so I simply reformed the spring I'm a tiny shaft and got it acceptable to still use although I should replace it soon. I was told that this lathe sat illegal for 50 years in the local hardware store window. I believe it now it has some green paint on the ways that is at least that old and that wore off. I probably paid a little bit too much for the first lady but I got the second complete broken down laid for $100. If I have to replace one gear and use from this stockpile it was well worth it. Yesterday I finished making a quick change tool post out of tool steel of all things and it came out really nice and works perfectly. I am however having a difficult time trying to figure out the size of the nuts that loosen the compound. I thought that they were 9/16 but a 9/16 doesn't fit nor does a 5/8. I can't imagine that these are original nuts this being the case. I don't think Logan would put some odd size in-between size not on there during production. The compound is of the type that has a recess on either side for access to these lockdown nuts. If anyone knows what these nuts were originally spect 4 please let me know
mrpete222 well I guess I am getting on in years and I did not have the lighting setup over this late in my shop as it should be the whole problem was that those nuts we're a little bit more on the corners it made it feel much looser than I thought it should so I just cut a new wrench specifically for it on my mill out of tool steel and broke them loose they were on very very very tight. It was a strange thing indeed but I took care of it. I guess I'm going to paint this Beast after all I've got it almost down to Bare Metal now just tinkering around and I don't I think I would like to oil it everyday to keep it from rusting so I will paint it after all
I hve one of these with a quick change toolpost on it. However, the compound slide is too tall for the quick change. Would it be ok to mill 0.100 off the bottom of the tool holders for more adjustment? I thought about shimming the head up, but then the tailstock would be too low.
Ya know, it's kind of weird to me. A man like you, loving the work & things you do. Mind ya, it just seems to me, you would own & drive a pickup truck. But I'm from Texas, & even a lot of women drive pickups, even if they DON"T need one, cause their hubbies already have one.
Hello Mr. Pete. I have just purchased a 820. Would you have an idea of where I could purchase the idler gears(tumbler gears)? I have broken teeth on on the forward one...
Looking at the videos people have done on these Asin made Lathes and listening to all the complains and problems I am sure I would rather have and old American made machine like this old beauty. I don't' need one that big but I'll bet she would do jobs as good as a mini-lathe if you had a good set of small collets and I guess you could use quarter inch tools in it if necessary.
Someone just offered me a Chinese lathe 12 by 36 for $500 its still in the crate its been in storage never used and I turn them down. It was a century machinery / Harbor Freight special. They retail for $4,999 you can no longer get parts for it or service for it and nobody will buy it from him. I will never buy another piece of Chinese equipment if I can help it again. Having said that I did purchase one of those zx45 which suits me just fine. I was quite surprised that the table end-to-end was less than half a thousand and I could measure no run out in the entire length of the spindle at all. It does quite a nice job for very very very cheap. They will suit me just fine until I can find a good deal on a Bridgeport
Mrpete222, How do you decide when to use the holding power of a collet versus any other means? I sent you an email yesterday on your other website, I do understand that you maybe preoccupied, however Im interested in getting in touch with you. Thanks again for all the vids!
I don't want to seem rude but I bought my current lathe 3 months ago it's a Sieg C2 it's not fancy but it took me 4 months to save up for the $850 price tag, does it ever reach around that figure for a 12inch bed, I do realize that these are second hand units.
Keep searching. You CAN find old US made machine tools in that price range. I would recommend that you have an experienced person with you when you look at the first few. They should be able to tell you about wear and missing parts. Don't give up!
***** Depends upon where you are... in my neck of the woods, you can barely touch a clapped out 12" lathe for ~$2,000 - and will need to spend about another $1k to get the parts including a phase converter and idler motor - to get it back into running condition... 20/20 hindsight says that I should have waited another month, and bought a new Grizzly for the $3k. Here in Southern California, you will find a lot of rusty relics being sold for top dollar - only once in a blue moon will you find an estate sale where you can get a used 12" American made lathe for around $1200... It's a matter of supply and demand - if you live near a Rust Belt city which had lots of factories into the 1980s, you can find cheaper iron, and in better shape. Around here, most of the old stuff got exported years ago, and the remaining aerospace factories converted to CNC in the 1990s.
chemech What you say is obviously true. However, there has never been as much industry where I am in NorCal as there was in SoCal. All of those old manual machines went or are going somewhere, and they will surface again. I stand by my comment to keep looking and don't give up.
All I'm saying is that you can be making chips a lot sooner, and sometimes with a better machine, if you buy the import straight away. Especially if your budget is less than $2,000 Face it, any machine tool is a starting point for adjustments and tinkering when you buy it. Just finding a fixable older American machine, as opposed to a parts donor basket case, is a case of long odds against you. I got "lucky" with my Logan - and, kind of wish that I hadn't been quite so "lucky" as there are some major headaches still to be faced in bringing it back up to snuff. Check your local market, but don't buy a pile of rust in the general shape of a machine tool just because it has a *Name* brand on the faceplate - and, especially do not pay $3,000 for a $1,500 machine...
chemech I agree with you... in some cases. In this particular case, I was simply responding to his specific question. Frankly, without knowing more info about a person's situation, skill, desire, etc, I think that generalizing isn't doing anyone any favors. It's almost like asking 4 people which is a better pickup, Ford or Chevy. You'll almost always get eight answers out of that one question alone! lol I do hope that my Logan (my 8th lathe by the way), looks as good as some of the others here when I'm finished!
Another great lathe video! I like the old Logan lathes, I am partial because a Logan 1875H which is similar to your 820 is my current machine. I too hate to paint but when I had to tear down the gearbox to rebuild it I decided to paint it while it was apart. It looked so good I did the whole thing. Gave me a chance to oil and clean all the moving parts too. Good thing, my carriage was in dire need of attention. Here is my photos before and after on the Logan Yahoo group. groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/loganlathe/photos/albums/1114278577 I used a needle scaler to remove the old paint which made the project easy. www.harborfreight.com/compact-air-needle-scaler-96997.html For paint we used Rustoleum machine gray which matched the bottom coat of paint.
Thanks I'd never heard of a scaler! Maybe I'll get another free tape measure while I'm there. I can see loosing a tape, or a couple tapes, but I must have 40 and STILL can never find more than one!!!
I have this exact lathe even the same year.... I noticed the other day that one of the gears on the initial drivetrain if you want to call it that look non-typical. Shouldn't the final gear before entering the Quick Change gearbox be a 72 tooth gear? I have some oddball 42 tooth or some damn thing here and there and I don't know how I didn't notice this in the past. I'm almost positive this should be a 72 tooth gear am I correct? I want to start threading a little bit and I want everything right I'm very new at this game Thank you for your help as usual
There's no chart on the door at all. I bought a 1821 for 2 hundred bucks. I put it all together and it was the 72 to the Gear in that position I think I'm going to go pay the $25 and download the manual with the exploded drawings from Logan. I just went out and looked and it's a 48 tooth gear in that last position that is in line with Quick Change Drive. I'm almost positive it should be a 72 tooth gear. I tell you what I have to agree with you on the ultra slow feed rate and this lathe. You can get a finish like glass at that's low speed. I'm using the old half horse repulsion motor that was on it when I got it I cleaned it up a little bit fill the oil reservoirs blue all the chips out of it and it runs like a clock. This way this is like a Swiss watch it's so quiet I love it
