I love how Gray defends sexual rights emotionally and legally. He clearly believes in freedom of choice and finds Sutherlands argument distasteful personally. Then he uses the law to destroy him. Amazing scene.
Let's not forget he also gives sound legal advice. If you proceed with this course of action, odds are that you are not only going to lose, but you will have to pay the ladies at the end for attempting to destroy their reputations.
Respect to Anne’s lawyer for standing his ground and being loyal to Anne. All Anne’s lawyer is worried about is keeping Anne as a trusted client and friend and plus he’s getting paid for having a trusted agreement between him and Anne. He’s got nothing against Anne and he wouldn’t throw Anne under the bus for Sutherland’s controlling pettiness
Anne Lister would be so proud of her attorney for defending her in this total smack-down of Captain Sutherland. 👏👏👏 BBC - your support of this phenomenal show is greatly appreciated!! Please do right by all the fans and commission Sally Wainwright to start writing Series 3!! ✍️🙏🎩👒🌈💕
I really don't know where it would go without being very sad. Shortly into the future.the dad and aunty are dead.and they are such strong characters .Lister died young. Walker was committed to an asylum. And Sutherland moved into shibden
@@ronhunt2254 yes but in between there were lots of adventures as well (and several years) in this view, hardly any story should be told to its end because there will always be sadness. and in the end Ann Walker was released from the asylum. And she didn't marry anyone she didn't like, and they did travel far and she did love Anne Lister, and Anne Lister at least was genuinely committed and took care of her even if they fought a lot... and I am sure Ann Walker found some happiness in moments even after. People are adaptable, and after low years some simple things can offer lots of joy. So I mean in between there were high points, the ventures starting to bring in profits and not just costs, travels that were also to Ann Walkers tastes, for some further years still there seems to have been intimacy, so obviously they had ups as well as downs. And I imagine some of those extremes and how they changed into the other might offer quite a bit of material, especially with some poetic license of interpretation.
@@ronhunt2254 Sutherland stayed at Shibden for a time w/ Ann Walker and then Ann eventually went back to live at her old estate. Sutherland died before Ann Walker I believe. Shibden was entailed to the Swansea Listers so it eventually went to that part of the Lister family. Ann and Anne had bestowed upon each other a life estate so eventually the properties would go to their respective families. Ann Walker's property went to one of the Sutherland's offspring and he was required to change his name to Walker per instructions in Ann Walker's will.
I replayed it immediately after I saw it. The tension, the words used, and the acting were superb. The actor who played Captain Sutherland (Derek Riddell) should be commended.
Two excellent actors. Cooley standing their ground. This series is so well cast. The steely resolve if the lawyer and the squirming of Capt Sutherland is satisfying.
"I know the display of too much intellect is highly discouraged amongst the ladies" Listening to this line and thinking how powerful and strong women are, never been more proud to be a woman. We were discouraged to think, to write, to paint, to vote, to be great. A lot of constricting and unjust rules are thrown at us, but still we rise above. Makes me wonder what would our world be if people in the past gave equal opportunity to all sexes. I like to think that the world haven't reached the greatness it could have since half of the humanity (women) were not able to enjoy the same support and opportunity that the other half did.
All Anne’s lawyer is worried about is keeping Anne as a trusted client and friend and plus he’s getting paid for having a trusted agreement between him and Anne. He’s got nothing against Anne and he wouldn’t throw Anne under the bus for Sutherland’s controlling pettiness
Well done the BBC for this excellent series. Captain Sutherland is all out to wreck Ann and Anne's lives by a false accusation. The way he falsely states his case of the two Scottish ladies, then sits smugly back on his haunches awaiting shock from the solicitor. The solicitor turns to a similar position basically verbally smacking Captain Sutherland across the face explaining that no sin had been committed more that it was down to someone down to cause gossip. The look left on Capt. Sutherland is of complete dismay as his plan crumbles. The first and second series have been a joy to watch, as well as informative. Bring on series 3 to enlighten us all.
Sorry what I meant to say was Capt. Sutherland believed he knew the full story of the Scottish ladies. The fantastic lawyer however being more learned and knows the full outcome of the case. This being, it's the gossip who started the rumours that looses out by being told to pay £10,000 in compensation to the ladies. Who have not broken any law in having a lesbian affair. (£10000 is a massive amount to pay out, was the compensation every gained)
Yes Lister died young and walkers family had her commited to an asylum.and Sutherland moved into shibden. Ironically Anne lived with them when she left the asylum
Brilliant acting throughout and kept the story real as her diaries could be, a very interesting and at times humourous, I will miss it ,loved it definitely want to see more, such passion and way ahead of it's time.
I watched Oranges are not the only fruit, another drama of a young girls/womans lifestyle choice in the 60s/70s, the acting was brilliant Late Charlotte Coleman and Emily Aston were amazing and all the other character were so damn good at portraying that time and how wicked people could be, especially in certain religions, Jeanette Winterson wrote it based on her life almost. I'm a straight lady but love diversity hate the ignorance/cruelty.
If I recall my history correctly, Lesbianism wasn't a crime because government officials didn't quite know how to explain it to Queen Victoria.And if someone did try to explain it to her, she thought it was preposterous..
@@extrude22 “This episode is set a couple of years before Victoria became Queen.” Oh is it set whilst William IV's was still on the throne? So it’s set pre William’s death in 1837, in the Georgian era. Oh fair enough. I guess it’s the coming of the railway’s that made me think of the Victorians
I don't know his name, but the actor who played Sutherland nailed the part. The sentence in this scene that sticks in my head is, If such a thing were possible etc etc, the fact would remain that it's not illegal.
He begins so smug, certain he has the upper hand. Then slowly deflates like a punctured balloon with every word the lawyer speaks. All without words, just face and body posture. Very satisfying to watch.
There were always those that under the guise of being so honest and Religeous that they want to undermine anyone, or anything they may do because of their jealously, or illiterate and bigoted way of thinking !
And that’s how “it’s “ done……..a quiet , calm , reasoned response based on said reason , plus also, fact and evidence. Sadly, this is no longer the approach in the world of today . Imo.
Watching this episode I really thought Captain Sutherland was going to get his way.. Because people who come across as strong and persuasive often do. I'm glad to see a quiet, learned man is stronger.
@@IrishAnnie no, Shibden was entailed and passed to another branch of the Lister family; Sutherland's offspring inherited AW's wealth, but *not* Shibden.
@@shellieeyre8758 That is correct. Sutherland lived at Shibden for awhile but the Shibden estate went to the Listers in Swansea. And Ann Walker was not in an 'asylum' (in Dr. Belcombe's care) for very long.
This is an absolutely amazing scene. For so many reasons. It struck me the lawyer acted in this way separate from miss Lister, & unbeknownst to her. I want a lawyer like this. (Unlike the other lawyer in this episode who is more concerned with his reputation.. and gives in easily to persuasion) Well done ✅
Yes, please, a third series. But I would also like the BBC to produce a documentary that explores homophobia specifically against lesbians now, in 2022.
For reference and because I took the time to look it up yesterday, that £10,000 is $2,140,575 CDN today. That is why the good good captain is turning a bit pale. The tragedy however and perhaps the point of his smirking at the end of the episode is that after Anne’s death Ann’s family manage to have her, “declared to be of 'unsound mind.'” 😞
Oh really? The scheming gits!! When did Anne Walker die, what I mean is what age was she? I’m keeping my fingers crossed that she was well into her old age by then. 🤞🤞
Ann Walker (1803-1854) was not confined for very long and she returned to Cliffe Hill where she was living when she died. What is so sad to me is that she probably could not properly grieve the loss of her wife, Anne Lister.
im a fan of period recreations & portrayals of independent women. with both of these aspects in 1 series it was enjoyable, albeit a bit to graphic for me..innuendoes are fine
Women had 'passionate friendships' during that era and that the sexual aspect of those relationships was not always contemplated demonstrated a failure of imagination on the part of some people.
