I was able to fix the TATE mode sliders with a printed socket on the side of the case. The beige was a filament I have not been able to source more of yet so I couldn't reprint that for you. I have been thinking about how I could make it tilt easily, but it may require a major design change. Though thinking about a custom stand with a tilt mech might be possible, I'll see what I can come up with.
The custom stand could connect to the case through a peg of some sort, then instead of having the tate sliders you can have another of the same hole on the side so you would just attach the stand on it for tate mode.
I need one of those. I hope I can afford one. Then I'll have to get a snes mini until I can get a mister and learn how to load games and such. Being old and not computer literate sucks. I was 6 when the c64 came out. My grandparents thought computers were just a fad so I got a sega master system.
It's really awesome that they are using retina displays from older iPads considering that there's millions of ipads that are either unsupported or broken in one way or another.
@@aprofondir I don't know what a "moddable controller" is but for a laptop I just typed in to eBay the model number of the screen and then a board that you can plug the screen into that gives you a HDMI and VGA and all that shows up.
That's a really great idea for re-using old obsolete iPads. LCDs in Apple devices are top notch. I would love to have a small display like this for use with a Raspberry Pi or some other SBC. And with a case like this with plenty of unused space, you could just shove a Pi inside of it and have a nice retro-themed Linux PC.
Ipad screens aren't actually that impressive compared to similar products from other brands. Only usefull thing is that there more of the same ipads, meaning its more likely someone researches how to connect it and send data to it.
Oooooh, if this tiny monitor had the weeCee build into it, we would have our 90's PC mini. The case of this monitor should have enough space to even allow some extensions to the weeCee like extra ports. The SOM304RD52PINE1 (seems to be what weeCee uses) is supposed to support PCI as system bus. I don't know if it is possible to break out a pci slot out, but if yes that would mean 3d acceleration could be added to weeCee too. Or instead with the MISTer built-in. How amazing that would be!
At the least, it seems like it would be pretty simple to bolt the MiSTer onto the back of the monitor's case where it will be out of sight and easy to leave connected at all times, even when it's on a shelf.
For the removable sliders, easiest way would be to create a small crevice under the slider area where you can poke the slider so it balances and keeps it's place under the pressure of monitor.
Great blurb, was intrigued when Bob from RetroRGB had this on a few months back and had to make one myself. Bob shows how little latency there is with his precision lag tester. Its such a nice little display, lightweight & looks fantastic. Nice to reuse an old iPad I was about to recycle.
With the MiSTer it's a good idea to use vsync_adjust=2 for low lag over HDMI or else you'll end up with at least one frame of lag due to internal buffering. Also, I'm curious if the TimeSleuth and similar devices are able to test at different frame rates or if it's just 50 and 60 Hz, quite a few consoles danced around those values a bit and some arcade machines go way off those values.
Regarding lag, there’s a utility ROM out there called 240p Test Suite for the SNES that has a manual lag tester that works very well. The same person that made that, has made ROMs for multiple systems. That’s just the first one that came to mind. It also has a ton of other utilities built into it, especially for CRTs.
I've used those to test latency with the MiSTer on CRT via analog IO board and HDMI and check latency differences with different video settings. You can get very close to CRT over HDMI with vsync_adjust=2. Compatibility with different monitors and TVs was better than I anticipated.
Flat screen CRTs were very common in the early 2000s. Worked very well as a progressive scan standard with consoles like GameCube, OG Xbox and Dreamcast. I keep thinking about buying another one, but shipping is a pain and getting the right setup isn't nearly as simple as most modern tvs (no matter size).
@@anen9332 Aren't flatscreen CRTs always aperture grille CRTs though? Aperture grille CRT look different to shadow mask CRTs so it's a question of what you want to achieve. Regarding making an LCD look curved like CRT there a many shaders for that in emulators. I don't know if Mister offers something similiar though IMO using a Mister to game on a LCD is a waste anyway.
@@armorgeddon Only Sony's Trinitron TV's were aperture grill. After the patent expired though, many PC monitors started using it e.g. Mitsubishi's Diamondtron.
@@startedtech "Flat" CRTs weren't really flat. Trinitrons were cylindrical. Truly "flat" screens like the DiamondTron still were internally curved, they just had a thick glass lens in the front which gave it a fishbowl effect, many people thought it was worse.
The perfect thing to wake up to on a Sunday morning! Love your videos!also the color looks great with the resolution. Even looks good rotated. Got to love some Galaga!
I like the Trinitron vibes it gives off, just because seeing the "classic" old woodgrain tv cases with a flat screen doesn't go together... It has to be round. But now I have some ideas... I didn't know there were adapters out there for old ipad screens.
Cool little LCD & enclosure. Glad to see you enjoying the start of your MiSTer adventure & looking forward to hearing your impressions of it after you've explored a bit! A couple things that might help you run the higher resolution there are turning on the DVI mode in the ini (if you can/are willing to connect it to external audio from the optical out- use a DAC with optical instead of the analog 3.5mm audio output for best audio quality) and also setting the framebuffer to automatic mode (fb_size=0 in the ini). This can make backgrounds in the main menu blurry, so to get around that you can make a [menu] section at the bottom of your ini with fb_size=1 under it, then the framebuffer will remain full-sized while in the main menu, but still be set to automatic (fb_size=0) when using a system/core.
Heh. Funny story. So i was working with a Taiwanese representative some time ago, just around the turn of the LCD (when they started becoming something a person can afford to buy) and one of the things he had in his office was CRT shells, with LCD screens inside them. I asked him "what's the purpose of this contraption" and his reply was somewhat along the lines of "people don't trust these 'newfangled' things so we're giving them something familiar but better instead". I've to say, seeing thie is just about the most amusing thing i've seen in years. Mostly because it made me chortle just as much as that one did, back then.
Wooow I love that texturing on the front and back. I didn't even realize it was a 3D print until you mentioned it, and then turned it around to reveal the layer lines and a bit of sagging around the screw holes. But as much of a 3D print snob as I am, I think this was really well done. :o
There's a hidden warp barrel that basically takes you to the end of the stage, you don't really even need to play it because the stage doesn't have any bonus rounds to complete. Having not known about it and doing it legit for several years, I have no qualms taking the shortcut.
My first time ever playing this level (or DKC in general) was a few years ago, with my SNES connected to the composite input of my 4K LCD TV. Before I found game mode. I played this level SO. MANY. TIMES. before I finally beat it. (I have since atoned for my sins and now have a gscartsw and Retro Gaming Cables and an OSSC. And the TV is in game mode. Might be about time to try finishing DKC, and Spyro.)
@@Petertronic I see minor inconsistancy in the walls leading to the back, thats almost every printer if you don't have a prusa or decent extruder. It's a large print. 3:12 his bridging looks wonderful on the slides. What issues do you see since you have yet to mention? Why not just make it your own comment instead of tailgating? Can't stand someone getting a complement? I see no 3d printed objects on your channel.
This reminds me of those hollow CRT looking screens in the original Star Trek. Well, even moreso the 2005 iteration where they’d actually stuck an LCD in there and it was made shallower than the original props.
The blue saturation seems a bit too high, but the low latency is a huge selling point. Would love to see a composite/svga capability added to this for even more retro fun. Monitors with anything but HDMI are starting to become rare.
The best part is that you can salvage a retina display from a broken iPad and hook up other sources of imput to it. That's something I can stand behind!
Reminds me of the "Mini Retro Electronics from Japan" video by *Techmoan.* I'm glad this concept is catching on, though a swivel monitor stand would be nice (perhaps using a weighted wrist rest to keep it from toppling over), or mounting holes to use with a modern monitor stand.
the sync issues are likely it not being a high enough quality hdmi cable. It probably needs to be HDMI 2.0 capible. But there's a lot of other little potential varibles with DIY displays and FPGA stuff that it could still be something else. I love my MiSTer setup, but troubleshooting stuff can be a pain in the ass sometimes
No, HDMI is a digital connection, there is no in between. Cable quality issues would show much worse picture breakup. My guess is LGR's cam was at a full 60 Hz while the Mister was at NTSC's 59.94 Hz.
@@armorgeddon Sorry, I was describing that wrong. I was talking about how he couldn't reliably go to the display's full resolution. And I should have used the word Bandwidth, not quality. HDMI is a digital signal, but the cables can only take so much bandwidth before they start to become flaky and drop the sync signal causing the screen to blank out every once in a while (The problem LGR was describing when using the monitor at it's full resolution). I was saying that he should try it with a better quality (better built) hdmi cable rated for higher resolutions/bandwidth.
A mountable 3D printed foot (looking like one from old school monitors) that can be mounted on the bottom or on each side (maybe with some holes or slits imitating old school monitor vents on sides that double as a place to connect the base) would be perfect, I guess? It would also solve that problem on the back and allow for better angle adjustment.
For the sidestand problem a better solution would be a grooved stand to hold it in position and some sort of a lock like tripods. Or something like a ratcheting groove but will have bad locking performance unless properly designed. The stand would be an easy thing...if only 3D printers can print out a quarter of a sphere without requiring all that support extrusions, you look at old CRT monitors and they usually had a spherical swivel to point the monitor up or down, but it uses the weight of the CRT itself for stability. So the ideal solution is a weighted stand *which can be easily switched over onto the side when needed* so it is a combo solution!
Yeah, that level is also _MY_ test for latency because I never realized how much it mattered UNTIL I kept dying repeatedly. There is one jump at the end that isn't _impossible_ but you have to prepare for it and react before you think you should to jump, so if you don't have that problem ... latency is good!
Now all I can think about is to see two recent LGR videos combined. That WeeCee system connected to this LCD monitor, and playing some Dungeon Keeper and/or Quake it.
Given the fact that the design seems more like a TV than a monitor, you could fix both the visual and functionality of the case by making the sides flat and taper back at the right angle to just sit in Tate orientation without the stands..
Jeez, Clint was kickin some major Galaga ass fr fr. I played it the other day and it wasn't nearly as easy as I'd remembered lol. Major Galaga lol, sounds like a bad 80's computer centric movies Military figure.
part of me wants to see 2 slightly different versions of this, one that can support an itx motherboard and maybe a low profile graphics card, and a 7.9 inch ipad mini version of this, all with the options of stands. i think those could be really really fun! (especially the ipad mini version, i really want a tiny dedicated display that looks super retro that runs old sailor moon episodes all the time as the coolest decoration thingy ever. like you could put a raspberry pi in there and you could do so much omg)
This is such a cool thing that ive wanted for so long, only wish i could buy a full bundle with everything installed rather than the case and setting it up myself. Still great though!!!!
I would guess the flickering is due to vsync_adjust=2 on the MiSTer, so it's using a custom pixel clock that matches the original system(s) as opposed to something more typical for an LCD. That's obviously a good thing for latency and smoothness, but I'd imagine it could be tricky with cameras.
I think that it would benefit from a photography tripod mount on the bottom and the side: Cheap, easy, and you could use a small table-top tripod to adjust the angle
You could probably drill some holes in the bottom and side, bend up some paperclips and epoxy them in place for a tilt stand. It wouldn't be adjustable, but it would be good enough until they come up with something adjustable.
Nice! I love 4:3 monitors myself. In my opinion, they are better than 16:9 because, you can sel low resolution and quality will stay always the same. Unlike on 16:9, where, if you set low resolution, image will look like crap. That is why i'm using Smasung SyncMaster 940BF. I also have some other monitor, which i forgot the name of, but it is 1024x768. Sadly, it has a problem. That screen have a big black hole on the screen that looks like someome burned it out. I don't know where that hole came from, cause i packed that monitor and put it away, but when i unpacked it, i saw that burned hole in the monitor.
Definitely needs more work imo but that is pretty cool. Wonder how well one of those bare LCD panels they sell for the Raspberry Pi is though, or those cheap security monitors. Namely since you can actually get them with resolutions as low as 640x480 (native) last I saw.
A cool improvement to this would be a semi-transparent LCD display that would be an overlay on top of the main display. The overlay would produce the scanlines and other CRT artifacts automatically scaled to the resolution of the main display. Almost like a hardware version of CRT Royale. If feasible, something like this could a solution for those who want the CRT experience without the CRT. Which could be a big hit among retro game enthusiasts.
I imagine you could just program whatever hardware is driving the screen to emulate that digitally, like the "CRT emulation" option in emulators like VICE.
@@stevethepocket Yes, that could work. But somehow, I would expect a more true to life result with a semi-transparent overlay. Specially in regards to things the color-bleed that exists with CRT displays. Perhaps that could be done with a single display. My only concern would be an increase in latency.
It will need also a third speaker to get correct stereo effect for portrait mode (with a rear switch to change audio output between landscape and portrait)
It's probably not worth the bother, any speakers that fit in that case are going to sound like they fit in that case. External speakers are going to sound a whole lot better, and the monitor's rotation would become irrelevant.
That's a nifty case design. I'd absolutely pick up the parts to make one, if shipping wasn't so painful from the US to the UK (this isn't a problem with Laser Bear, it's a general problem). I wish it was possible to buy the STLs to print it myself, although I can see why they wouldn't want to sell them: you can stick commercial exploitation licences on things, but as a small business trying to enforce them is probably near impossible.
I wonder how the speakers they used compare to the speakers in the actual iPad they took the screen out of; I was pleasantly surprised when I got my first iPad and the sound quality was better than the desktop speakers I had at the time!
For sound, what about some of those 2.1 tv speakers? If all new parts, they have those small woofers from Pyle, and front speakers could be gotten at the same place. Stand wise, looking at those front covers from the defender case. Also small phone stands, those could be modified to be integrated into the bottom, while the sliders are modified to click locking them into place.
I would use it as a little secondary display for my main setup for just monitoring temps and stuff. Have an ultrawide so that is about how much use it would get from me Lol.
