This Saved Fighting Games Forever

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Fighting games have this little piece of black magic at their core that makes playing them online not only possible - but actually great. And until we had it - the future of fighting games online looked extremely bleak.
It’s not a stretch to say that rollback netcode has completely changed how we think and, most importantly, feel about online fighting games. So how the hell did it all happen and why did it take so long?
Written by: Josh Bury (@throwngauntlet)
Edited by: Brendan Fahey (@Drillbit_)
Hosted by: Colten Gowan (@theonlyzoltan)
Thumbnail by: Bennett Grainger
Produced by: Niall McCrossan (@niallmccrossan), Colten Gowan and Danielle Rosen (@_DanielleRosen)
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Music used under license from Associated Production Music LLC (”APM”).
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18 сен 2024

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@wfjhDUI Год назад

Rollback blows me away as an especially ingenious case of solving a seemingly unsolvable problem by stepping back and rethinking the question that's being asked.

@victornguyen1175 Год назад

The thing is that it's been solved for a long time. It was the pushback from millions of people who were brainwashed by lazy developers who convinced them it was impossible. It's really impressive tech but it's so unforgivable it took this long to take the main stage.

@realchezboi Год назад

rollback is my favourite thing ever

@hectorfliper Год назад

No mention of maximillian dood who was yelling at the screen for over 10 years about net code

@RocketSlug Год назад

I'm surprised they didn't use any clips from him talking about their "not made here" mentality

@WorkinHands Год назад

These people dont do their research

@Cobxcorn Год назад

Probably wanted to highlight other less popular streamers

@superamacrap9897 Год назад

Max isn't the only streamer out there and he really doesn't say more than what the FGC complains about as a whole

@shaunchan5890 Год назад

@@superamacrap9897But he is one of the most subscribed FGC youtuber out there. Being popular matters here because your voice would heard by more people.

@Lanzetsu Год назад

Sajam is a legend, I think any fighting game player should watch his vids and learn from him, he doesn't only teach you about fighting game but about not being a jerk as well.

@csolisr Год назад

And I'm begging and hoping he doesn't wind up being a racist or an abuser!

@Dwykid1 Год назад

Genuinely funny, smart and insightful. A rare combination is in this era. Also, even if you dont know a single thing about fighting games, look up his "Will It Kill?" Series. You're missing out if you pass on it.

@testhekid Год назад

@@Dwykid1 "allllrighty then chatroom.."

@Secarstra777 Год назад

Majas out of Guatemala is pretty goated too

@lovelyx33 Год назад

Sajam transcends the FGC. He is knowledgeable, has a great personality, hangs out with the chillest dudes. Overall i'd give him a 7/10.

@Mioggle Год назад

This did not get into how GGST actually softened up a lot of JP developers to finally using rollback. It was the first modern (2020+) FG to FINALLY implement it and had a of big JP developers losing their excuse of not implement rollback. Harada was one of those that kept on trying to talk shit about rollback until he couldn't anymore. Edit: Adding onto this. There was like a small FG Developer Conference during the pandemic in where the heads of the studios that were making fighting games were gathered. It was after GGST successfully implemented rollback. Not one developer wanted to mention rollback because it was like a "taboo" (but not really) subject to discuss because the other FG developers were not promising rollback at all during that time. The only one man enough to say it was Arika's director (or President maybe) and he congratulated Arc System for successfully implementing rollback in their game.

@richr161 Год назад

@@Firelove7kno way. Call bullshit. That doesn't make sense when 90% of the development tools are western made. Or that in the heavy tech rolls theyre are western devs names. Put it down to laziness and stubbornness. It's pretty much the same argument when developers were using p2p connections instead of servers. It was cheaper to keep using what they have instead of implementing a new method.

@RasenRendanX Год назад

this comment needs to be pinned. i was there for those dev conferences during the lockdown

@freedustin Год назад

Tekken 7 had rollback since 2015 but ok...IDK how else you think their online arcades work but they always had rollback since day 1. Bananapass is not a magic network with no lag.

@NabaniSaa Год назад

Bro, pour one out for GBFVS, died on release due to Covid, lmaoooo!

@icekiller1594 Год назад

@@freedustin not it didn't and no the fuck it does not lmao """"""""rollback"""""""

@alexpimentel7170 Год назад

Still wild that Skullgirls (2012) and KI (2013) set a standard for netplay that wasn't matched by Japan for a decade

@chupasaurus Год назад

Arika made a good rollback netcode for Fighting EX Layer back in 2020 and they've been brought up by Namco to work on it in Tekken 8.

@YoungPadawan85 Год назад

I didn't know Skullgirls had good net code from as far back as 2012, I should track down a copy.

@Kelpie9423 Год назад

@@YoungPadawan85 Yeah skullgirls is a great game that has amazing online play since pretty much the beginning. It has a dedicated player base but it could have been much bigger in today's FGC climate imo. All in all its a good game that is worth a pick up and you can find matches online still pretty consistently. On PC anyway. I haven't played console skullgirls in years.

@Sammysapphira Год назад

@@YoungPadawan85don't support those hacks. Nobody that made skullgirls good work at the company anymore

@Simon-xi7lb Год назад

@@Sammysapphira yeah, and a lot of content was recently removed from the game for censorship reasons

@xyzen9673 Год назад

SF6 has legitimately wizard levels of netcode... Im genuinely certain that actual magic has been used for it.

@5hrsbefore1998 Год назад

it has changed the game, for sure. i wish they would implement it for smash ultimate

@BennyHarassi Год назад

@@5hrsbefore1998 that isn't a real fighting game so no one cares..

@tastyfalcon1788 Год назад

@@BennyHarassi nice bait

@ijustbevibin0425 Год назад

@@BennyHarassibro you definitely never played ssbm😭 or seen high level ssbm gameplay cause people get crazy and it’s harder than sf or mk easily cause it hard to connect in. That game compared to other fighting games

@ijustbevibin0425 Год назад

@@5hrsbefore1998ssbm dookies on ultimate ultimate is so slow and stale compared to the og

@Railgun_Enjoyer Год назад

First Ina, now Rin Penrose. This is a man of culture.

@luisecontrerasc2905 Год назад

Ikr, I thiught I was the only one who noticed it

@albinonamekian7905 Год назад

Scrolled through most of the comments to see if someone was gonna mention it! We need a mustache Skrunkly

@konyuna4756 Год назад

I used to be a WiFi warrior but the INSTANT I decided to get a ethernet cable I was caught off guard by how stable my internet matches felt and how much more responsive games played. To this day I still can't believe I ever thought that WiFi was good enough for fighting games. I wish I could go back and apologize to the people I played against with that McDonald's tier connection.

@Lanzetsu Год назад

You are welcome, I understand for many it is hard to wire the whole house if there is no router near the console/pc but if you are really trying to get into the fighting games online you should use wired connection, the fun fact is how the people playing over WiFi themselves don't like to play against others over WiFi lol

@xDanyManx Год назад

THANK YOU. I’ve been playing on wired connection ever since SF4. And on Wi-Fi was so bad at the time

@MichaelHarto Год назад

Ah, another one has ascended. Praise the sun!

@captainmega6310 Год назад

I have to keep doing cause I'm broke. Good for you tho

@stayslapped1568 Год назад

@@captainmega6310 ethernet cables are $10, you aren't broke you're just lazy

@Asared Год назад

My man with Penrose in the background and Ina ina wall. The vtuber cameos on here always take me by surprise

@TheOnlyZoltan Год назад

😎🤌

@pknessspam5408 Год назад

Glad to see Norm Mcdonald got reincarnated

@TheOnlyZoltan Год назад

Easily the greatest compliment I could receive. Norm was the best to ever do it.

@anoob785 Год назад

The fact it took years to implement something that indie game devs have done in 2012 is beyond me Hell even melee had a completely fan made rollback

@jico5147 Год назад

stubborn companies are gonna be stubborn, but sooner or later they do the right thing

@MrAzramez Год назад

2008, ssf2thdremix had ggpo. The idea, and software, behind roll back net code would have known about before then. It has been a long time coming and it has taken way too long for big game development studios to take it seriously. :(

@NinthSettler Год назад

"people are buying our shit anyway, why make it better and spend a ton of money learning, researching and building a new technology none of our devs know anything about" Japan execs, from 2006 to very recently

@evilded2 Год назад

The cannons literally saved the genre can’t wait to see what they do with project L.

@sd5919 Год назад

Thank God for Covid too. Getting Capcom off its ass.

@error_404.69 11 месяцев назад

Not if you as a certain disgruntled old man

@Mage_Nichlas_ Год назад

If this guy ever gets rid of the sick moustache he could probably be like the Elvis impersonators except for Norm Macdonald.

@TheOnlyZoltan Год назад

Easily the greatest compliment I could receive. Norm was the best to ever do it.

@RasenRendanX Год назад

its very important to note how GG Strive got Japan devs to take rollback seriously cuz thise guys where stuck in their outdated ways.

@GigaOtomia Год назад

>norm macdonald in a 60s villain moustache You're not fooling me, theScore.

@coolgate3872 Год назад

I love how Rin Penrose is just playing in the background. IDOL just keeps winning!

@Saul30119 Год назад

Imma be real He looks like Eggman with that moustache

@nihilictoria Год назад

Yeah Street Fighter 6 is probably the only fighting game so far where I could see a 2 bar connection and still be like "Oh that's fine", unlike *cough* Tekken 7

@deibyjosecastrolopez3082 Год назад

Mmmm? why you are comparing an old game with a new one?

@NrettG Год назад

Dude seeing red throws me so off guard. I get fear seeing the red and natural stop playing only to see my opponent still move perfectly. It's such a trip.

@PandaKnightsFightingDragons Год назад

I get a little giddy every time I recognize the VTuber on Colton's monitor during the "Guy Who Knows What He's Talking About" sections

@AspyreFGC Год назад

More fighting game videos! You guys do a great job with them :)

@alexelectro6335 Год назад

Wow I don't even play fighting games and I throughly enjoyed this video. More in depth content like this please 🙏

@LaggyLuke Год назад

If you are at all curious about trying out fighting games, street fighter 6 is simply the game now to try it out. The story mode actually teaches you the basics to get into it. You can also choose between traditional control system and a modernized version which lets you do cool stuff easily.

@oreore949 Год назад

Opening a video about Rollback Netcode only to see a thriving Rin Penrose stream in the background is my ideal state of being. That's our IKEA CEO right there.

@luisalonso7349 Год назад

More FGC content please and thank you.

@Rhythm162. Год назад

Yesssss! My favorite videos from you guys are when you fover the FCG!

@user-kun2147 Год назад

Okay but having Rin Penrose in the background while he’s talking about Frames is cool

@madguitarist8042 Год назад

MORE FGC VIDEOS ON THESCORE PLEASE!!!!!!

@g0ddish434 Год назад

I think one of the main reasons goes down to two things. Stubbornness from the higher-ups that don't believe netcode is all that important(and just now realized it, whether by COVID or growing interest in the fgc) Rollback Netcode as a whole is complicated to make, as Capcom was able to implement it well in MVCI. However it came out two years after SFV and the devs just think it is too much of a hassle to implement it when the game was already done. Because one thing the fgc doesn't understand is that it's just hard to code. One example is MK11, which took 9 MONTHS to properly implement. Due to MK being a large scale Fighting game and had delay based at launch. I'm not wanting to defend devs for not wanting to implement rollback, at this point it's needed if they want a long lasting community. But I want to give insight for those who just constantly tweet about the devs being "incompetent" for not implementing a very hard mechanic the moment it launches.

@sloshyio1 Год назад

a full ep from colton? lets gooooo

@TheOnlyZoltan Год назад

🎉 LET'S GO!

@fernandopires135 Год назад

this video was a bit weird guys... as others guys in the comment have pointed out, GGST definitely had a hand in making rollback so prevalent also, the SFV "fix the netcode" fan patch had a bug that would make a PC user see no problem while a console user would have an unplayable connection. And Capcom fix did help A LOT not little

@kalarse Год назад

Colton doing this feels so wrong and so right at the same time, him being the host and the one who interrupts him LUL loved the great vid which is a "netcode for dummies style"

@radhaz01 Год назад

The cycle is complete! Congrats on your own episode oh Musachio'd One! You did great.

@salvadormoralesmunoz2894 2 месяца назад

I just started an introductory course in computer sciences. I love fighting games and that's why I would like to know a roadmap on how to start programming for rollback netcode. good video and thanks

@tree2992 Год назад

the success of Guilty Gear Strive really showed how much market demand there was for good netcode. I'm sure Capcom started paying attention when SFV dropped and GGST grew during quarantine.

@dannypatrick9361 Год назад

You must be new. Rollback has been around since 2008. Stop acting brand new.

@tree2992 Год назад

@@dannypatrick9361 what games had rollback _on release_ before GGST? I am a FGC newbie, so you got me there.

@yeahboyz9314 Год назад

Funny you said that when ggstrive matchmaking is completely busted now

@yeahboyz9314 Год назад

@@tree2992skullgirls since 2012, Killer instinct 2013, every NRS games since 2015 (mortal kombat x, 11, injustice 2,......)

@Audriolen Год назад

@@tree2992 SFV and MVCI

@wpninja83 Год назад

Now if only people knew not to play on flat screens instead of crt's back when SF4 released. Probably the biggest reason almost nobody could do 1 frame links back then lol.

@xXAgeXx Год назад

Love the Fighting Game Content! Hope to see more!

@justicewithaperiod Год назад

First FGC video in a month. 🎉

@reboooot Год назад

I'm a cs fan but I respect the hell out of fighting games. More than any MOBA or really any goofy game that keeps adding new characters.

@darkwolf9637 Год назад

The remake of all star battle was absolutely mutilated by its awful netcode it was not only difficult to find a match but basically impossible to find a playable one since anything less than a max connection was completely unplayable with frame delay,skips,the game fully stopping mid match to reconnect. It was awful

@3vilJesus Год назад

I’m not even interested in fighting games and this excites me… plus I had to stick around for “The guy who actually knows what he’s talking about”!

@thapeloafrika6459 Год назад

Corporations never publicly apologize....but they owe street fighter fans, competitors and Sajam an apology for what we endured on SFV!

@TSkillzX Год назад

And the guy who made GGPO was also one of the dudes behind the early evos & is currently the guy making Project L. Yall can do a whole series about Tom hes so fking goated

@testhekid Год назад

im still waiting for uniclr rollback patch, i cant see it happening but i believe nonetheless.

@papabeer4567 Год назад

Colten is here

@TheOnlyZoltan Год назад

H E R E

@javierpatag3609 Год назад

This video is worth it just for Colten still having to do “The guy who actually knows what he’s talking about” bit 😂

@coalminecanary1277 Год назад

The Capcops set Sajam free

@ChrisRyu2024 Год назад

Sajams approach is more powerful and constructed than Max.

@zeokenx2 Год назад

LMFAO at Snake_Eyez 1:57 Dude is still damn good with Gief even in SF6 today,shoutouts

@BeanMann Месяц назад

5:23 lmao the Rin penrose stream in the background 😂

@thepear6684 Год назад

GGST, GGPO, MAX, SAJAM and the FGC in corona times saved Fighting Games🔥

@armandopineiro4022 Год назад

The stigma will always exist, even now that the game shows you exactly what's happening with numbers and everything and you still have ppl blaming lag or something else

@Throatybee Год назад

Tbh i have stopped blaming lag since SF6 release.

@joshtickr.9955 Год назад

Oh no not you too colton, the prince rin also got you xD i saw one of their shorts and ended up watching them ALL XD also nice video wooo host colton!

@TheOnlyZoltan Год назад

It's been over for my RU-vid homepage for a long time 🙃

@joshtickr.9955 Год назад

@@TheOnlyZoltan some brotha, the rabbit hole spares no one

@turffhog2906 Год назад

Fighting games are making a comeback, tekken8 and mortal kombat look hype

@rikittu Год назад

Sf6???

@koki84ji7 Год назад

Not mk lol

@jico5147 Год назад

@@koki84ji7mk looks good, i’m not even a fan of a lot of the older mk games

@171reko Год назад

@@rikittu SF6 looks okay. Not the greatest, not the worst. Their artstyle is so lacking compared to other games (Just look how good Guilty gear looks!). I am not even saying that they have to do something like Tekken 8 or MK and be realistic, but have a good style that fits the franchise.

@koki84ji7 Год назад

@@jico5147 mk has that same shit animation

@RhythmLP Год назад

More fighting game videos please! 😊

@csolisr Год назад

Interesting to see that you can indeed talk about the history of rollback without ever mentioning EVO or Skullgirls, hopefully you know why.

@kf7558 Год назад

This video should have been 5 minutes, not 13+. Stop wasting our time with artificially elongated videos.

@TheTechnoJelly Год назад

I love all the vtuber stuff in the background 😄Great taste and a great video!

@cjkhis1037 Год назад

Meanwhile, Nintendo: "What is this thing called INTERNET?"

@allengordon6929 Год назад

I remember people asking Hellish Quart to have rollback netcode, though the physics-based animations would likely make that impossible. If it ever gets an esports league, it kind of has to be done peer to peer.

@BestGameDesigner Год назад

It is not impossible. The physics state can be cached, and re-simulated when the game does rollback. Which in the case of physics based animation can be pretty expensive performance wise since the game has to run at 60 fps. In the case of a lot of older 3d fighting games, they're pushing the performance to the limit for consoles, so it was never an option to swap out the netcode.

@asmallapple1509 Год назад

@@BestGameDesigner Gonna pray for tekken 8

@NinthSettler Год назад

@@asmallapple1509 rollback is 3

@voidvector Год назад

Lag due to distance will never go away, because the limitation is due to the speed of light.

@nubaco5001 Год назад

CANT BELIEVE THEY MADE THE MISTAKE OF CALLING MAJAS BY THE NAME OF THAT OTHER GUY "SAJAM"

@VoyivodaFTW1 Год назад

Beautiful video, immaculate mustache, incredible personality. Grade A content.

@Nimrod336 Год назад

You look like norm Macdonald in a 1920s badguy costume about to put the girl on the train tracks

@Heightren Год назад

Ahh... I see Rin Penrose in the background this time!

@Im0nJupiter Год назад

I want Sajam to be my union steward

@savageage1177 Год назад

i love how they talking like street fighter was the reason the rollback fever started when its riding off of guilty gear strive's success with rollback

@kunimitsune177 Год назад

Noah Galuten with a moustache

@unnamedx2 Год назад

I see that rin penrose stream on the background

@felipecouto1102 Год назад

Whats even crazier is to think this topic is taboo to some. We have veteran Fighting Game players literally asking for their games to have bad netcode because ''nonono this kids want a good connection in their games!''

@marcusukendio2497 Год назад

I don't get it.. client prediction has been a thing since Quake, why is this revolutionary?

@ddddren Год назад

bin benbose in the background lol

@saunterrrr Год назад

The galactic empire knows as lag has been defeated

@simpson6700 Год назад

now we just need to be able to filter out wifi players. i'm already searching for 5 bar connections, but that doesn't matter if their wifi drops to 1 bar all the time.

@heckincat1406 Год назад

I wish ASBR saw this. It is one of my favourite fighting games this past years and seeing it being shitty sucks😊

@RasenRendanX Год назад

good luck getting cyber connect 2 to get rollback. it's why i dont wanna play Naruto storm and Naruto is my fave anime. JJO all star battle is amazing too but i didnt get it cuz i knew the online would be trash

@OfLastingThunder Год назад

Slippi has been doing this for years. No company has any excuse for having shit rollback.

@oneunripemango1858 7 месяцев назад

We all owe an immense debt of gratitude to Tony cannon

@shrikelet Год назад

It's worth pointing out that Capcom *knew* how to make better netcode in-house by- at the latest- 2017. The netcode in *Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite* was a marked improvement. They just never deigned to improve the netcode of *SFV* until Altimor's patch forced their hand. And even then, it was far from great.

@thebigbient8736 11 месяцев назад

Tell this to DSP 😂😂😂 never seen someone cry so much about something he knows nothing about

@NarcoticDimension Год назад

Whoever told you that moustache looks good is your enemy, eliminate them.

@jico5147 Год назад

let the man wear a mustache

@EdokLock Год назад

Exact-freaking-ly

@TheCJRhodes Год назад

maybe he likes how he looks

@EmSixTeen Год назад

Can't even watch the video it's that disgusting looking.

@TheOnlyZoltan Год назад

I didn't grow it because I thought people would like it. I do 🤌

@MFIBCN Год назад

Yes, the fan made pathc they did for SFV was great, but only if you played on pc, if a pc plaver with the fan patch was paired vs a ps4 player, the lag for the console player was even worse that without the patch at all... people keeps forgetting that.

@eFeXuy Год назад

And then they went and implemented a region lock that makes matchmaking suck for anyone outside densely populated areas.

@shadow_man_exe4727 Год назад

lets not forget, Capcom Patched out the good fix for their own crappy one and Penalized anyone who downloaded any fan fix after.

@bleh8973 Год назад

bro watching rin penrose in the background

@GiancarloPaniccia Год назад

This video is proof that Colten lives in a simulation.

@iseceepcool2 Год назад

Sf6 has such good netcode, ive played with players on the other side of the globe and had 0 issues

@laner4195 Год назад

damn that Adobe Pr invokes sad times in me. Crashes, plugin issues, freezes, oh no. Since I switched to Davinci it's so much smoother and auto safe feature really makes the experience of editing enjoyable.

@tonnenpanda Год назад

A Rin Penrose enjoyer, huh *smirk*

@DarthSmirnoff Год назад

Oh shit, Colten moved up to the front of the video!

@TheOnlyZoltan Год назад

>.< For today at least, I am him.

@PrideSP 8 месяцев назад

2:05 That's me!

@arccrenshaw8391 Год назад

I haven't played a fighting game online sine the introduction of RBN... which fighting game would you recommend for someone interested in checking out a good version of this? one where the game was developed with RBN in mind?

@freedustin Год назад

Big rollbacks suck. Anything over 3 frames is extremely disturbing. You missed out on startup frames being not a big deal is fkin cope. It literally makes the game unplayable if you miss out on startup frames.

@freedustin Год назад

@harrikirvesniemi9685 cope more.