This Show Was Secretly Racist (w/ Jacksepticeye) 

Theres also how, after some years, he walked back his racism and wrote in letters how he wishes he could kick his past self's butt. And then he died shortly after because his racism was keeping him alive apparently

that's crazy interesting, but also "his fellow racists" is a phrase that is killing me

​@@ayanlemanwhere do i find those ?

@@cebolinhacalvo7393 its honestly difficult to find, most of the search results are drowned out by essays and such on lovecraft's racism. His letters from later in his life show a strong moderation in his views as he transitioned to socialist thought, and was exposed to people from all over the world by travel and living in nyc.

@@ayanleman I wish Lovecraft didnt die so young just to see whether or not he would've truly changed. Nothing excuses the real fucked up shit he said about literally ANYONE who wasnt white protestant (including to his Jewish wife) but it would've been interesting to see how his shift to socialist politics would've played out or if he would've relapsed back into his open endorsement of fascism and Hitler. I think he would've stayed racist but probably not as aggressively racist as he was in this youth, I dont think Lovecraft had the ability to be that introspective about himself to throw away his hate.

heterosexual love triangles in the 00s and 10s always became way too important in a show and overshadowed better stories and characters. this happened to countless shows. heterosexuals at it again!

literally thats when i stopped watching lmao

Hollywood loves it’s love stories

kate jack and sawyer are the most intolerable characters of all time

​@@sarahbearbabygirlthis is a plot point in greys anatomy at least once per season lmao

Also, that any support given to JKR monetarily will go towards her donations to hate groups, and non-monetary support she's explicitly said she takes as support for her herself, including her hateful views. So it's different again.

There’s also the fact that these authors are (most of the time) really the only ones who are producing their work. So when TV shows, movies, cartoons, etc. have many people and different minds going into these works, the works themselves might not really reflect the views of the one director, writer, actor, etc. who is prejudiced in some way. And although these media can have harmful ideas in them, it isn’t as prevalent as authors whose books are steeped in their viewpoints, because they are only written by them. (And while many authors do have beta readers and editors, many aren’t worried about the messages the book they are reading is putting out, they are more focused on correcting typos and getting paid)

@@bleppusblepp5952 yes, that's a very important point. Recently I had to get involved with a very racist and on the nose colonialist book but I needed the money. I didn't want to have anything to do with it and it was torture every single day working on it, but I had no choice but to take the job

It has been really cool seeing modern lovecraftian stories twist than on it's head and punish the racists

Another example is Orson Scott Card. I loved the Ender's Game books so much as a pre-teen, and it was really disappointing to learn in recent years that he's actually a huge p.o.s.

damn never realized that, good observation

nah lost was never that good in the first place, it only shone because of the lack of better shows, people forgot about lost because they quickly found new more interesting properties. Though you could argue that, because of the competition brought on by Lost, better shows got made.

Lost was a show that relied on the mystery/science fiction elements more than the actual characters and plot, then the mystery became absolutely ridiculous. A mystery story who’s characters aren’t that well-developed is fine, but this is a 6 season show and not an Agatha Christie novel. I think a lot of the development was butchered.

I don't really need the show's narrative to be condensed in order to understand it. I can think of less than 10 episodes to get rid of. I don't think many TV viewers today have a good attention span. They seemed more interested in reaching the end of the story than simply enjoying the journey.

That would be life changing

If that ever happens it would be EARTH-SHATTERING

Same, I don't know if you heard of her but I love Izzzyzzz for exactly that

Yup. He got better later but I have no idea why Kate was supposed to be torn between him and Jack lol.

@@thespankmyfrankexactly and Kate being into him and then not saying anything when he made racist and sexist and fatphobic remarks made me kinda not like her bc like girl you’re fine with this??

See to me Jack and Sawyer are exact opposites. On the surface Jack is this nice dude right, he’s the doctor and the leader and all that, but underneath he’s a toxic piece of shit. Sawyer is very outwardly macho (and racist, fatphobic, everything really), but when it comes down to the nitty gritty you can tell he really cares about the group. I get the sense that he just grew up in a bad environment you know. That said I never found Kate to have chemistry with either of them so the love triangle is the worst part of the show for me.

yeah sawyer’s like an actual piece of shit and to frame kate and him like that is wild 💀 she’s too smart to go for a guy like that

SAME. did you watch it? is it safe? 🤧

@@EricaDLucas i actually ended up stopping halfway through cause i was too afraid 😭 i think i got a small spoiler but i really don’t know lmao (i’m on s4 so there were some spoilers but i already knew them) i ended up adding it to my watch later for when i finish lost lol

Hi there! French person here! There are spoilers, I suggest you don't watch it! Now you know :)

Thanks, you guys! I'm also on S4, I'll wait to finish the show before watching the video too, just like Mike's Mic recaps and Drew's analysis (which was what made me watch the show in the first place and already gave me some spoilers lol)

Was the fair fun?

@@andrecarpenter2432 it was very fun; thank you for asking! 💚

Sleepy Hollow was so good until she left though, I remember being so sad. That show really killed itself lol.

Yes!! They were awful to her. She had an autoimmune disease & they kept demanding doctor notes & forcing her to work anyway. They gave her less & less work before just writing her out when she was the other main character & the reason many people liked the show in the first place? Insane. Completely underestimated her talent & star power. I’m glad it failed after they fired her. Me & friends were boycotting lol

I feel like maybe the representation wasn’t even so much shallow, as most minority character had 1+ (many times several) full episodes devoted to their backstories. However, elements of their backstories were pretty stereotyped. Eko, Sayid, Sun, Jin, and Hurley have full arcs in the story, but def have elements of negative ethnic stereotypes in their flashbacks especially. Very mid-2000s white-guy understanding of the other cultures. However, they are full characters with complex inner worlds.

@@ShanemanFP good point. I guess I was always kind of thinking that most of the non white characters didn't have a lot of depth to them they had a trait or single motivation and that was it. But you explanation might be better.

Nah you americans complain a lot about representation. They exist to entertain not as a voice of validation.

Yup!!!

@@Calamity_Joewe’re a diverse country, a huge country, & it’s a simple fact that if you don’t have someone who looks like you EVER in media except for stereotypes or negative images, you’ll be less connected to the material. Why do you think Bollywood is so popular in India? Is that them being “obsessed with representation”? 90% of the media coming from our country is by/for/about white people and that’s how it’s been for generations. They’ve always felt represented so they don’t understand what it’s like to not have that & to crave it. Or to finally see it & realize that’s what you’ve been missing.

@mericanmodi8479 this is a sorta confusing question. I’m not 100% sure whether you’re just trolling or something, or whether it’s a reference to something in Lost (I haven’t watched it), but I’ll answer in case you’re genuinely asking. First of all, when it comes to characters, you can very clearly tell the gender they’re supposed to be. The characters are all intended to be a specific gender, and anybody who knows the show would know which characters are women. It’s like how people just know the genders of their friends because they know them, and if their gender was different than how they appear they would have told you. This is also a relatively old show, so you’re extremely unlikely to find many trans or nonbinary characters. As for race it’s slightly more complicated, because there are some people where it is hard to tell even if you know them well, but in general if a character looks fully white to everyone watching and no other race is pointed out or mentioned, then it’s a safe bet to assume they’re white. And to be honest, the majority of the time it is easy to tell which characters are white or not, so it’s a fair point to say that a show is overwhelmingly white or doesn’t treat it’s POC characters as well. In my opinion, assumptions like this are honestly fine, especially when it comes to media. If you’re specifically told otherwise by the source material, well then your assumption is just wrong, but otherwise TV shows are all in how we perceive them. There’s no reason to believe that the average white character is non-white or the average man character is a woman, so we assume they are what they look like because that’s how it’s portrayed to us. Overall, asking “how do you determine the gender or race of a character?” kind of just seems like unnecessary what-ifs

@@dali-dog yeah I have a very strong suspicion that person was just trying to troll/bait me which is why I avoided responding lol there’s a high chance they don’t even care about the show, they just wanted to start a fight in the comments.

​@mericanmodi8479 "POC" is an often used abbreviation of "people of colour", meant to refer to anybody black, asian, indigenous or anything other than white. It's true that the word "white" has at times changed, and that the privileged people in control have at times changed their mind on who to categorize as white based on whatever is convenient for them or whoever they want to oppress. Language is and always has been complicated, and it's especially complicated when talking about something as nuanced as race. This is all a fine thing to talk about, but it's a complete derailment of what this comment thread is about. Considering whether Afghans count as white or not is completely unnecessary when talking about the representation in Lost (I guess unless there's a character who's specifically pointed out to be Afghan?). The conversation topic is about whether Lost has good representation, so if people perceive a huge majority the characters as being white due to there being no suggestion otherwise (which, let's face it, most of the characters who seem white probably are completely white without any grey-area) and all the characters who *are* clearly of another race are given the short end of the stick, then it's not good representation. It's as simple as that, there's no need to go into the specifics of individual races and hypotheticals that don't have anything to do with the show. The thing is, people need to be able to talk about race in order to make progress in society and the media we create. It doesn't really help anybody to suggest that we shouldn't critique bad representation just because the word "white" might not have much meaning. Fact is, there are a lot of people who are straight up white without grey-area, myself included, and white people are the ones who have dominated the spotlight and forced everyone else away, and art reflects reality and reality reflects art. That's a problem, and how are we supposed to fix it if we can't even use the word "white" to describe people who literally are white.

@@schnapapoo ah, sorry, I'm not trying to encourage them. I'm pretty bad at not falling into bait I guess lol. If I get another reply and it's more nonsense I'll just stop responding

Horrible 😣

Fringe is a fantastic show. The characters and their chemistry is what really holds it together.

Much better than lost

@@A2forty i wouldn't said much better. Being a good procedural tv show is easier than whatever Lost was trying to be. Lost's path was riskier than other shows.

@@flyfantasy6565 that may be true but the risk that lost took means that if it fails it fails harder. Obviously this is all subjective but I think fringe did a better job at being interesting and inventive. In the first season, to me, lost didn't have any plan and instead of developing storylines continued making mysteries (Abrams horrible mystery box theory) without ever trying to develop that mystery into a coherent plot.

@@A2forty even with mystery box theory, Lost was good tho. It changed television shows' trajectory. Everything after just tried to replicate this. The thing with Fringe, it took ideas from other shows quiet often. So it's not revolutionary, and from time to time mediocre because of that. But I'd still recommend my friends Fringe, because Lost is big hit or miss.

@mericanmodi8479 An actor is a whiner because he had wanted better writing for his character?

@mericanmodi8479 I'm sorry, but I find that attitude rather stupid. At least the actor or actress in question is thinking of good writing . . . for the show/movie and for himself/herself. In fact, I would not blame any of them for whining, if they feel that their characters require better writing.

@mericanmodi8479 I know how employment works. I'm employed. But if I feel there is something wrong, I will point it out . . . respectfully. I believe the actor or actress still has the right to point out what he or she feels might be wrong in a story or a character he/she might be portraying, even if the director or showrunner doesn't take the advice or complaint well. And Michael Dawson's arc and characterization, along with Walt's, still burns me to this day. And there are a lot of people who also feel the same, considering the number of complaints about what happened to them in Seasons 2 and 4.

@mericanmodi8479 You sound like a true boss. And I'm not being complimentary.

I kind of relate to her lmao. I've always loved the Lord of the Rings and if anyone I know has seen it without me I get kinda sad, because I would've loved to share my biggest joy with my favourite people. Now, I get that people don't have to watch anything with anyone else if they don't want to, but if it was a significant other I'd be kinda disappointed lol.

@@thespankmyfrank She turned out to be really controlling and a huge headache in my personal life. She ended up convincing me into a three-way with my best friend and then left me for him. They kept the relationship secret from two years, even after I moved in with him.

A story has to have a beginning middle and end, or preferably exposition, rising action, climax, falling action, and conclusion. If it doesn’t then it’s not a story, it’s just a sequence of events.

Right, that's how life is tbh. We're just so accustomed to well paced stories that we forget life is chaos. There's no end or beginning. It just is.

@@thespankmyfrankno end or beginning…? wtf are you talking about 😂 life actually isnt that philosophical, you’re born snd then you die

It sounds like that a bit lmao but he’s actually saying that he /visited/ Korea bc of the show

No. The sentence structure is easy to misinterpret, he's actually saying he visited Korea because of Lost, and through that he met someone Korean who he began dating. Not that he began dating someone Korean because he watched Lost.

No it fucking wasnt

THE NUMBERSSSS

Always Sunny is about characters who are racist, which is a very different thing than racist writing. It's not a subtle difference, it's the same as a show being about criminals, versus made by criminals.

@@GamesFromSpace i hear you. I think thats an opinion though. They are racist on purpose? Thats not apart of their character traits. Yeah I stand by that. But Im not trying to take away from any racism from Lost or any show for that matter. Im afro latina, black girl from Queens who loves comedy and sci fi. I appreciate racism being called out anywhere and everywhere.

I did wonder, being charitable to the creators, if they were having trouble having a kid on set due to child film labor laws and wanted to have him off the show or to have less screen time. It was stupid to kill off Michael, that actor is incredible and probably the best-known actor on the show at the time.

Michael has one line in S2 and it's just, "Walt!!!!!!"

@mericanmodi8479 You are obviously white and ignorant. Research actually says the opposite.

Seems like everyone in the content world is a friend of a friend of a friend