This STARFIRE Series Made Fans Mad?? 

I enjoyed this video and we know not everyone was going to like what we did, but we also knew we also had a chance to introduce another generation to the character. Amanda and I are proud of the job we did and no matter what everyone may like or not like, thank you all for giving it a chance.

Starfire and controversy just go together. I feel like the TT animated series was at an advantage because it didn't have the sexuality aspect involved. She was looked at as an actual teenager and as a warrior.

The Teen Titans Animated series' Starfire will always be my favourite. I loved how, despite understanding so little of earth's customs and culture, she was overjoyed at every new discovery. And how her powers were tied into her emotions, fueling them in contrast to Raven's powers requiring her emotions be kept in check.

It’s funny when some people criticized Anna Diop’s version for not being accurate and then bring up the animated series 💀

As a non-native English speaker I must admit that I too oftentimes imagine different English phrases just as literally as Kori does.

Starfire's pet Silkie actually first appeared in the original Teen Titans 2003 series, NOT Teen Titans Go. (Sorry to be that "Umm actually" guy, it's just very rare that I get to drop teen titans 2003 knowledge. I need friends) 😂

“The Titans got through Crisis mostly unscathed.” Me, who was up until the wee hours of the morning last night editing my explanation of how Crisis made Donna Troy’s already-confusing origin a thousand time more convoluted: 😳 “…unless you were Donna Troy.” 😅

This version of Silkie is very cute though. Like a little baby Mothra!!

I love the thought bubbles showing Starfire's interpretation of idioms That's a great touch!

hard to say which artstyle i like more. one is more classically adam hughes defined and outlined, expressive and beautiful. the other has that bruce timm animated mood that i'm just a massive sucker for

You got everything but do you have “RECEIPTS!?”

That first artist... wow, she's incredible.

I actually liked those little thought bubbles in this series, as they reminded me of moments in the Teen Titans animated series where Starfire confuses idioms, such as the scene in “Sisters” where the Titans are at a club and two boys ask Starfire if she’s digging the scene, and she replied “I did not know we were supposed to bring shovels.”

“Unless you’re Donna Troy” Ain’t that the truth! LOL

As co-creator George Perez said when talking about helping to create Starfire: “Koriand’r, she’s so many characters I’ve used: Marilyn Monroe, my first wife, oh gosh, there was a stripper somewhere …” Yup, stripper. LOL I always get a kick out of that.

So Starfire I guess was a real Hamlet To kill or not to kill? To be quirky or not to be quirky? To button or not to unbutton?

Man, I never thought of how much cake there is between star and nightwing. That's some power couple!

"I have cheesecake" my favorite combination of dairy products and baked goods. Especially when Starfire's baking, heyo

Casually Comics: "Come for the comics, stay for the hair."😉

You know what they say: Don't ruin a fan favorite character because the fans will have a field day.

Since I only know Starfire from the first Teen Titan tv show, this series capture her beautifully, yet you are right about the drop plot points that the creators could have drop completely to address the other problem from the series you mention. Also towards the end of the New 52, DC had a period in which they let their creator have creative control on some series and this Starfire series is one of them another example was Jim Gordon being the new Batman.

This Starfire is like the ebodiment of the born-sexy-yesterday trope, she acts like a literal child but also has this extremely tragic backstory that seems to impact her in no way shape or form. It’s just messy and really poor characterization.

I see. With Power Girl no longer in the main DC universe, this series was an attempt at using Starfire to fill the hole left in her absence. It makes perfect sense for Kori, she fills Kara's role well, she roughly hits all the same notes as the independent, tall, super strong alien woman who flies and shoots energy blasts. This could have been a fascinating redirection for her character if writers at DC had stuck with it and really fleshed it out after this run.

This is not the universe I am often compelled to watch, but I appreciate your theme appropriate hair.

My good friend is a MASSIVE Amanda and Jimmy fan, so he adored it like I did, because at that point, they we're a absolute Godsend, since Lobdell had a stranglehold on her. But as of now... The Titans have had the entire universe against them, in out of comics. I'm incredibly grateful for this series, art especially (Both versions are appealing), but I get the complaints too, because I've seen more even versions, in the DCAMU movies... Surprisingly.

Personally, my favorite version of Starfire is the version in the animated movies Justice League vs. Teen Titans and Teen Titans: The Judas Contract. Compared to the New 52 comics in general, I thought Star’s characterization as a wise, experienced leader was a breath of fresh air. I will never forgive the DCAMU writers for Justice League Dark: Apokolips War.

I have to admit I laughed at the “the men or the boobs?” joke, too.

You can tell it's an "Amanda Conner + Husband" book if Atlee Terra makes a guest appearance. Between their Post Crisis Supergirl issue, Powergirl Run, This Starfire Run and their New 52 Harley Quinn Run, she makes a lot of guest appearance in that duos books.

Love the hair.

Your hair changes more frequently than Black Widow's and I'm all for it

I read this series prior to reading the 80's comics featuring her (her first appearance, the apartheid ones). I enjoyed the art featured, I thought it was pretty nice and felt like it was a match for the vibe of the series. I think looking back, this series was charming but wish that her characterization was different. I feel like she would have been a bit more knowledgeable about earth knowing she was coming back, she can be naive, but I felt like it was a bit much. Although this will have a special place in my heart albeit my critiques and thoughts- it was the first series I ever completed + Starfire has always been my favorite hero.

Was just on HBO Max app watching the old Justice League series and in the episode "Hereafter Part 1" Snapper is a reporter. I know we've moved on to Starfire, who is always cakey and all, but I had to say something because you made me keenly aware of the snap man lol

6:02. My theory is that this revelas that she never actually understood this stuff at all and has just been coasting by on her friends in the Titans to help her with this stuff.

I think the change in artwork killed some momentum although the writing remained the same. Comics are visual mediums and that change was quite drastic. In addition, I understand the team wanted their own take on the character but that is also what hurts at times, there is a built in audience who can feel disrespected by drastic changes to characters they know and love. This may be why many may have received this series poorly while many other did not. I truly loved your retrospective on the series, very well done thank you Sasha.

It has always been hit or miss with Starfire, at least personally. I like her on the team books like the Titans or even the Outlaws. Granted with the Outlaws it wasn't that I didn't like her character, it was her story arcs. This run I didn't enjoy because of the more dizzty characteration that she got. It just wasn't for me. I like her Rebirth design and what she did on the Teen Titans book with Damian. My opinion and take on her character.

Atlee: "I'm on vacation dammit!" Omni-man: "I'm on vacation. Let Cecil earn his paycheck."

Amanda and Jimmy have a deep love for the Terra that appears here. They fleshed her character out in a mini, brought her into Power Girl, and again here. Each time adding more to her world. Its like how Mantis (or some knock of) kept showing up back in the day if her writer had a new assignment.

As a Starfire fan, I read this entire run, even after hearing that a lot of people weren't fans of it. I don't see the reason for the backlash, I thought it was cute and relatively harmless.

I read the first arc of this. I thought it was fine although it didn't blow me away. I actually thought it did a good job of blending the innocent/fish out of water cartoon version with the Nu52 version adding in hints of the pre-Flashpoint version.

I feel dumb that it took me this long to find out Sasha has this other channel from Shippers' Guide, but damn am I happy to hear that “milage may vary” again

I laughed so hard when you said she has killed and she'll kill again

honestly this star fire series looks tons of fun

Lupaccinos artwork shines in that issues she drew, shame they switched before the series ended. Overall I truly liked the series, but the change from superb artwork to something very different and in my opinion not so beautiful always bugs me.

It’s kind of odd how Starfire isn’t treated exceptionally well by writers and creators. People noticed that with the first Titans design and the comic about her goth daughter that no one liked.

Thanks to our lovely host with the most, I'm going to the comic shop to buy some Starfire Back issues! Thank you for all your wonderful coverage!

Sounds Interesting. I watched Teen Titans and loved her as a character. For this channel I expect some things planned or semi planned (like vids on characters if movies of them or shows are comming out, but if you decide to do say Howard the Duck or Condiment King I am fine with that too. As your opening always states this is where we talk casually about comics, or whenever our whims take us.

Any time a series changes art styles that drastically midway through, it becomes very jarring. I have not read this series, but I've often noticed how the feel of a comic can change based on the artist even if the writing doesn't change.

I did not know of this series but it is gonna be one I'm picking up, all to often DC does the "Mercy is a Weakness," character trope so someone going in a different direction is actually interesting.

I love all versions of Starfire and I think that’s unpopular lol

*Lillie and Starfire hold hand* What can I say? I am beautiful.

Honestly I love this book especially after I saw how badly Starfire was handled in Red Hood and The Outlaws. Here though this book's version of Kori felt like a mix between her Pre New 52 and 2003 animated series incarnations.

The art really is gorgeous and I like when a series has a clear beginning and end, even if plot points in the middle aren’t always wrapped up perfectly. The side characters seemed interesting too which isn’t always the case for solo series

Can we get an Atlee retrospective? I feel like pre-52 she's basically just Tern Titans Starfie to Power Girl's straight man, while here, her initial foreign nature feels underplayed and like maybe she should've been able to give Kori better advice. Then there's the Harley Quinn series where Atlee's... around. Anyway, great video, Atlee retrospective would be appreciated.

This Starfire series reminds me of Smallville but more light hearted and a little drama and a lot less dumber than the super girl tv series

The hair is incredible and cool! You content on comics is informative and entertaining as always

I really enjoyed this video and thank you for articulating everything I felt very eloquently. While I didn’t hate this series, I also didn’t love it. I love Starfire and felt that this downplayed her warrior princess upbringing and her leadership capabilities.

Very articulate and insightful ! Love your videos!

I gotta say how many "years" do we have until DC takes the omniverse and break that down to Earth 0 again.

I know this off topic but I just love how your wig Applications have gotten Laid to the gods and I see a hint of baby hairs I remember first watching when you were doing colour wigs for fun which I thought was so cool but this is my fist video in a while and I noticed how nice your wig was laid I like it (I too wear wigs so it much appreciated for the wig girls who love comics )

I loved this series. It was fun! The first eleven issues, that is. Then I managed to completely miss picking up issue twelve, and have never gotten round to tracking it down since. So now I finally know what happened in it! Thanks! I did drop the new 52 Harley Quinn series somewhere around the late twenties in terms of issues, because it was fun but it was never going to go anywhere. So I think a twelve issue run is a pretty good idea..

Sugar, you damn sure look like Cher today lol. Love it and your channel

I see that Berserk omnibus on your shelf. We need a Berserk deep dive now, id love to hear your opinion on it. Honestly it's probably one of the best Manga series ever made. Anyways I didn't know about this series and I love Starfire. She's always had a really cool history. More Titans and Starfire videos please! Btw Great video!

If you are trying to influence us subliminally, its working: would love to see a video on Berserk and/or The Super Sons.

3:10 I thought you said ships for a sec and it made me miss your Guide channel.

My request for a retrospective is a look at Marvel's "Loser-villains": Batroc, (Ultimate) Shocker, Trapster.

0:32 It’s me!!!!

I feel like thats who Starfire had been for thirty years in comics, now make her fresh off the boat and forget all of the awful things she witnessed as a Titan. The biggest complaint Ive seen was 'you had the chance to make her the way Ive seen her on TV!' A few years on after Rebirth and shes who she always was in comics again.

Thank you for putting my comment on there!!! It makes me feel so special since this video came out the day before my birthday and yes my birthday is on the 18th lol!! I really did love this series because it expanded so much on what the character has been all these years. I also wanted to say all the complaints you mentioned in this video are from "fans" who never actually read the comics and swear they know her character. I have read Starfire from Judas Contract and have watched the Teen Titans cartoon, Teen Titans Go, Red Hood and The Outlaws, the animated Judas Contract and the Teen Titans TV series and the character has always been foreign and sexualized. Even before the animated TV stuff she always portrayed those ways!!! The reason why Starfire was foreign to Earth culture is because she came from a planet that had a different culture that was with warriors, sex and sadly slavery. It very much resembled Greek culture. But since Earth hasn't been like that for years, she was very foreign on how much things were evolve and didn't understand and it's why she was very open with sex or sexual nature. Anyways, I really enjoyed the series for what it was. It was very enjoyable to see Starfire get know about Earth customs and I even loved her friendship with Atlee. It gave her a very defined character and plus it was nice to see Silkie introduced in the comics. I think Jimmy and Amanda lied that this series was always intended to be 12 issues because they obviously had many unresolved plot lines and they did try to solve them abruptly. That's why I always hate when writers say that and when they should be realistic about how they had no idea that series was gonna get cancelled so soon and wished they had more time. Anyways, I didn't have much a problem with the art change too much because it gave Atlee a definitive origin story on who she was and how she came to be. It's pretty obvious on how much I love Starfire. Great video, Sasha!

I love cheesecake. And when you're talking about Starfire, it's strawberry. My fave.

I'm so glad I found your channel. I liked the covering of the ruination of Zatanna's character and the Jimmy Olsen marrying Supergirl and now this. I LOVE Starfire and this series was meh to me. Just wish ppl would stop making the comic version more like the cartoon version.

Personally I always really liked this series when I read it I definitely agree with your points about it being a little rushed at the end. I definitely preferred this reason I have her over the one in red hood and the outlaws. I also really enjoyed her in the rebirth teen titans run.

The first ever DC comic I bought was issue #1 of New 52 Harley Quinn. One thing that struck me about it was how a seemingly inordinate amount of time was spent dealing with the precise amounts of money Quinn had to collect in rent from various apartment tenants in order to pay for the upkeep of her building. (I was like: "This is exactly the sort of minutiae I used to put in amateur comics I wrote as a kid. I guess you don't have to be Shakespeare to write comics after all.") Those cells at 6:20 and 6:40 reminded me of that Harley Quinn comic: again, the same curious interest in precisely how this superhero is going to earn money to pay mundane living expenses. It finally made sense when you mentioned at the end of the video that the same writer/artist team did both of these comics.

Wow I did not know this little series existed lol 😆 My first intoeduction to Starfire was with the 2003-06 series, so I became a really big Teen Titans fan from that. I remember being quite disheartened by the New52 reboot and Starfire going off with the red hood series, as to me the team that I had grown to love no longer existed ahaha. Also I really didn't like what happened with Raven. Like she was my favorite character, and her redesign in the New52 was jarring to me and oh I guess she's with trigon now??? That was my thought process and so I kinda dropped everything bc of New52 and just went into despair lol. At the very least I could re-run Teen Titans 03-06 haha. But yeah, so this is interesting. I like seeing your videos bc it lets me learn things I didn't know before or helps me find out what happened to plot treads that moved on after I left. So thanks so much for these :)

I feel like this could be a good intro into the DC Universe for new readers, depending on which part of the run they came in on. The vacation would be hard to spread into the rest of the universe but the Grayson "crossover" for lack of a better word could be intriguing for some readers. Granted I don't remember what that Grayson run was like and haven't read it myself but then that would lead to Batman and all the rest of the world. Providing they hadn't already been reading that sort of thing.

I was unaware of this series before this video. Honestly, I might give it a try: I'm a huge fan of Star Fire because there's so much you can do with her, so many different ways to interpret her character, and I've always been interested in the ways that people write her. I wasn't the biggest fan of the way she was portrayed in Red Hood and the Outlaws, but I also didn't hate it, either, so this could be an interesting take, too

10:57 "Yes Separate Sad" -one lonely dolphin

I remember reading this and really enjoying it! I also did think this was her first time she was on earth based on how she was acting and the backstory! And I am also one of those coriander people who only taste soap

I realize that this comic isn't for everyone, but it was for me. Even though I love the medium, a lot of comics aren't my thing, so it's cool when there's something that I can vibe with!

Connor's run was hella cool. Introduced me to Elsa Charretier too.

I have been eagerly awaiting this!

PANTS KORY have you tried PANTS!?! God I love the dynamics in this series. Such fixation on her legs. I mean god love her she WAS trying. It's strange you didnt bring up Superman first suggesting keywest and being the one at the end telling her about the superheroe community having a place for her. Ending where it began as it were.

3:50 Both those artists warrant SO much more credit.

That Emo Fluid thing is jarring if you haven't heard of it before. I learned about it in Powergirl (2009) #12. Don't know where it started, but seeing it in Powergirl felt like "Look, this is the last issue we have this artist, so we're giving her portfolio material."

Thanks for another interesting vid, I really appreciate your balanced approached to critiquing these books.

Love your Starfire hair !

Just noticed the copy of Berserk on your shelf. Respect. RIP Kentaro Miura.

I honestly would love to see more art like the second version. It’s gorgeous!!

9:03 I NEED THIS SIDEBAR. I feel like you'd be an excellent person to talk about Starfire's black coding in an objective way, with significant and relevant input. I GOTTA SEE DAT VID PLEASE PLEASE

I have no idea why but this is my favorite casually comics video 😂 I’ve watched 6 times since it’s release.

FYI, I was once on a cruise Amanda and Jimmy were on and we were at Key West, so I asked them about it. The just really like Key West and considered getting a place there once, so that's why they picked it for Kori.

Great video. But we both know that that is Deanna Troi hair.

I've see your background is getting more stuff!!

I thought this series was fine, but I also think that it really highlights how Starfire works much better in teams than solo. It felt like this series was more about the people around her than Kori herself. Which is a decent direction for a character like her, showing how she changes those around her, but this series felt too unfocused.

Thought you were going to quote an old rhythm changes standard at the beginning when you listed things you got.

Bought the solo series. Kept hoping it would get better. My biggest complaint was that I felt that for being on Earth for quite awhile, it felt like she just got there. Outlaw title didn't upset me, but the series didn't draw me in.

Totally forgot about this series. I remember liking it at the time, but the ending did feel rushed to me, regardless of what the creators said about completing a planned 12 issues. I actually liked the toning down of the sexpot New 52 version, and the attempt to merge aspects of New Titans and Go. The Silkie thing bothered me both for the ick factor of mind alteration as well as the New Powers as the Plot Demands trope. I don't remember any prior version of Silkie doing this, and it seemed like a convenient way of forcing the story. Also, wasn't there a giant gross version of Silkie in the comics during the Johns run? Like they did with the horrific version of Wonder Dog?

Me loving this series is mainly because I loved Amanda and Jimmy’s Power Girl from the late 2000s. The tone is very similar, and without that much comic book Starfire knowledge I really loved it. Also, it brought back their Terra (Atlee) who I really missed as my favourite Terra. She had only really showed up in that Power Girl run.

The short, stand alone series Starfire was more in line with the original version of the character than some of the others, though she was more juvenile. It was an attempt to get more girls interested in comics. It was far better than the hideous depiction in Red Hood and the Outlaws. In Red Hood, she was an amnesiac who ran away from her fiancee. Instead of being a free love sort who saw beauty in everything and sex as a way to celebrate life, she was a cynical PTSD survivor who didn't enjoy sex but used it to get what she wanted. One of the Outlaws was Dick Grayson's best friend but instead of trying to get his best friend's amnesiac fiancee some psychiatric help so she could recover her memories and heal her trauma, he decided to bang her because she was being passed around the team like a party favor. The Starfire series was silly and fun. I'll take that over sick and misogynistic any day.

I loved this series, probably because I love anything by Conner & Palmiotti, especially where her art is involved. I'd read more superhero comics if more superhero comics were as fun, lighthearted and unbound by stifling continuity maintenance (the absolute worst f_____g thing about contemporary Marvel/DC storytelling). I especially like their dedication to breaking female characters free of their dedicated ships and roles -- and their completely unapologetic embrace of playful "cheesecake" sex appeal that never seems degrading or exploitative. Short of Grant Morrison getting to write a couple hundred more issues of Flex Mentallo, their work is basically my superhero comics ideal.

*Teen Titian Go sprinkles a bit of salt on everything* Hurt in open wound but also great in Salty n Sweet treat maybe like cheesecake in the master chief hands. XD Beside my actual thought... This looks kinda cute and amazing story appreciate the ton of cheesecake. Seeing these incarnation sorta mix one interesting. The beginning from what heard sad seen feel interconnected while the ending is for ending all the plots. This fun story is fun adventure and silkie is a cutie!!! Just look at little things...