I understand people might not agree and I would love to hear what you think! I want Icarus to do well and want to see its success this is only MY OPINION and critic's for the game. Please keep comments calm and collected.
I agree with your statement that it is a rip-off. And this is because they still haven't provided what they promised. And I personally can justify buying an expensive game (because I bought Tears of the Kingdom). But, I think the developers need to prove themselves. As someone who is going into a career that requires programming I know the work that needs to go into these games. But I also know from my leadership skills that if you promise or say something and don't deliver people will be angry as such they should learn their lesson quickly as I am sure they have more programming skills than leadership skills. Hopefully they turn this into a learning experience and they will function the way they were supposed from the very beginning.
1) In a world where steam exists, people don't re-buy games. This is not a reason to believe they will make money off of free launch. 2) Their own advertisement says "an Earth-like terraformed planet", even the launch trailer shows what is in the original game. Was there an old video showing these new features? If so please link. 3) What someone promises for future content sometimes never makes it in the original game because of cost over-runs. *See Bethesda This argument is about the cost of a DLC, only the cost. I agree it's too high, but should they take a chance on attracting new players by handing it out? They could lose everything gambling on not charging a penny. Think about it, their other games are meh at best, and I doubt they have a steady stream of cash to stay open forever. They have no other IP to fall back on like other studios if this does not attract new people. Would you take this much of a chance not to have working capital to keep your studio open?
For me, this game looked cool. Right up my alley. I thought it was early access so held off on getting it until they were closer to 1.0. Now, I don't like being taken advantage of, and I don't like those who take advantage of others. This is an unknown developer releasing totally unfinished product as a full release, then charging more money to complete finished features. So I will not be buying this game. Ever. Nor will I buy any future game from this developer. My money and my time are limited.
The devs have been constantly updating the game for free every week for 90 weeks at this point. If you've seen their discord or been actively part of the community, you'd know the devs have been operating on a loss, yet they still update the games for free while constantly being in active communication with their fans. Sure, you can say their first trailer made it seem that's what we're getting day one, but as someone who's been active in the community, most of us knew that those exotic environments and "aliens" will come along in time, and the devs have been transparent that they would release those eventually and as paid DLC's. Only those who bought the Supporter's Pack (which is no longer available) would receive these DLC's for free, so yes they did deliver AS PROMISED, but clearly this point has been missed since everyone seems to think these should still be free even though the devs made it clear early on. It's also clear that you have not looked into the lore as based on your words, you obviously think it's a planet with alien life. It's not, it's a planet terraformed to be like Earth, but things went wrong. Hence, the mutated creatures. The live-action trailers following that teaser have made that clear, yet again, you somehow missed them and keep pointing back to the first trailer, which happens to be a "Teaser" trailer btw. That literally means they are just showing or "teasing" things to come, yet you insist that this is their day 1 promise just based on this one trailer. I understand why you'd like to compare their situation with No Man's Sky, but you're forgetting the fact that unlike Icarus, No Man's Sky got a massive promotion thanks to Sony in the beginning, even if the interviews did come out seeming dishonest. Their launch was rocky all the same, but many more people in comparison bought their game thanks to massive PR and were able to fuel their development with those funds. Icarus didn't get the same treatment, yet the devs are still releasing updates for FREE, in a weekly manner. The only mistake I could see they did was releasing Icarus as a full game even though it was clearly Early Access, but that's about it. The devs can't afford to go back on their word and make the two promised DLC's (New Frontiers and Dangerous Horizons) free since this is their last major chance to keep supporting the game, that's why they're going all in on the first DLC and why it has to be paid. People are free to have their opinions, but if their opinions are based on ignorance, then they aren't entitled to those opinions. I'm not trying to fight you, but your rant with lots of missing context was hard to listen to without getting angry over as someone who enjoys this game and has seen what's been happening behind the scenes.
@@Hoshimiyamoka You mean like when I mentioned they released the game in full despite it being early access? because that's about the only thing I actually mentioned that sounds like bad company management. Other than that, I can't see how company transparency and continuous player support can be considered bad management.
Sorry pal, but RocketWerkz is a pretty big game dev company, yet they "fully released" a game, which provides a lot less content than Valheim's early access, which is development by a small indie company. Dean Hall even boasted that he's working on a new AAA (after leaving DayZ with all the cash) which turned out to be Icarus, and the only AAA thing about this game is the price... I was a fool, ignoring many DayZ players when they said Dean Hall is a cash grabber and his next Icarus game is going to be the same. I learned this lesson the hard way, and I won't be doing the same mistake when I see his next "groundbreaking" game.
@@RealBloodsmith sorry, you lost me at “big game dev company”. While I agree Iron Gate Studios may be a smaller studio, which explains why they update so slowly, RocketWerkz has the same indie status with only 49 employees working on different projects (i.e., Astroneers, etc.). Yeah, i also agree they had a real terrible start, but guess what? They continued to fix and update Icarus for free for more than 20 months and are continuing to do so. Upset he left Bohemia Interactive to set up his own studio and left Day Z with them? So it’s fine for People like Kojima to do it, but not for him just because he doesn’t have a name for himself? Why do you people think that game is still his responsibility when he left it to their owners? If he wanted to drop Icarus like Day Z, he would’ve done it ages ago. Did you know Icarus was supposed to be F2P with microtransactions but they decided against it? Icarus is their passion project, and as far as I can see, this game has a better future than Day Z.
you know who is on the consumer side? Actually the devs of icarus. They are very open about the fact that they have a DRM free game didn't encrypt their data so people could just by the switch of a bolean grant them the dlcs. They don't hide this fact, they are obviously not advertising this. But if you want some based good guy devs you have them with this team.
Hey man, I'm just a guy on the internet, and I want to highlight my take with agreeing that this DLC was too expensive. However, we as players have received consistent weekly content updates every Thursday since the game released. There is so much extra content from launch. I honestly had never seen the initial trailer for the game till now and I am a little disappointed that we're missing some extraterrestrial stuff. I don't think it would be hard to fit into the pre-existing narrative of a half terraformed planet either. Like if I'm gonna fight what is clearly a bear atleast give it armored plates or different colored fur. But, I digress the game is great, like you said. The DLC or what I've been able to play of it so far has really got me wrapped. Again, idk if it's worth 30 bucks. But I'm currently not regretting it
They've updated the game every week and added new content nearly every week since the game launched. I don't mind paying higher prices for games that are actually in continual and substantial development.
@@RealBloodsmith Adding the whole open world when it was never planned is minor? Styx was free thats minor? Unfinished is BS, Olympus has over 60 missions well over 100hours of content and thats if you are rushing. Quit with the lies, Y'all cry if game devs don't update their games forever and if they aren't vocal with their players and Y'all cry when devs update the game every week for almost 2 years got free dlc and are communicating with their players. Just shut up because you will never be happy cry baby.
@@jimmydean3076 Oh, just conveniently leave out everything else in those patch notes huh? Open world was an update that was never meant to be in the first place but the devs listened to the players and added it. People cried about the real life timer so they made it in game timer. People wanted mounts so they added mounts. People wanted more missions so they added more missions. Styx was free for a year. They have added tons of new items, thousands of bug fixes, and have restored players characters when they have died in prospects when they didn't have to. Good to know open world and Galileo update were weak. What a bafoon.
Dean over promised, the under delivered. One of the major things that made it different than other games was the fact that the mission session was hosted our the company server and anyone playing in that session could jump in at anytime. Well that axed that, they spun it as giving power back yo the players. That was bullcrap, it was about getting rid of long term server hosting cost, it was money plain and simple. Day one bugs still exist in yhe game. Like ore veins clipping so far into the ground you cant fully mine them. Are they moving in the tight direction, maybe. But one thing I saw that really pissed me off was Dean begging for people to go on steam and give postive reviews for the dlc to help convince people to buy it. We still don't dont have vehicles. They claim it doesnt fit the setting, instead pack animals do. Im no boo boo, we traveled light years away in a space ship and terraformed an alien planet.... and we are suppose to tame local wildlife for transport, give me a break. Then there is the content seperation for open world and missions. You can not, per their in game tool tips, mine exotics from open world mode. Why? They have made dome poor design choices, and it feels like they dont know how to actually pick a direction.
but if someone offered you both dlc and base game for 60 dollars it would still have more content that alot of other games with a 60$ pricetag, not to mention that in multi player only the host needs the dlc, so all their friends can experience it with no incured cost to themselves. the game also has 0 microtransactions or post sale expense of any kind so it makes sense that after doing a year and a half of weekly updates that the dev teams coffers would start running low
Other games sell a single skin for 25€. Here you get new map, new creatures, new building styles, new resources and more for that price. On top we get weekly updates…
@@provokatze23 and if you buy the new expansion your friends can still play an use all the stuff, that alone would hurt the profits but they did it but ppl will still cry about its not free every game ive ever played when i bought something new i had to buy it for friends or ask them to buy it just to be able to play together
For the first time, our new map PROMETHEUS allows players to follow a storyline through a chained series of missions in the Open World mode. We are calling these 'Operations' and all can be embarked on from your permanent Open World base. Rewards are earned without having to return to orbit in your dropship. And that's not all...Currently, on Prometheus in Open World you can earn exotics by completing operations. You can also gain exotics the old way by launching missions from Orbit and going through the normal extraction process. In the upcoming patch (the Hypatia patch) we will add a way to extract exotics in Open World mode on all maps.
I got the supporter pack on day one and a paid DLC was the plan from the start. I think most people are upset because many people did not buy the supporter pack but bought the game based on what the original trailer included. And some of that stuff is now behind another purchase or still not even implemented. If anything the content promised in the original trailer should be delivered as part of their main updates. And the DLC should be content that is new never before been seen or advertised. Maybe some day that promised content will be a part of the main game. I dunno. But if it is the $30 is severely overpriced for a DLC now. I will likely play this because I do already have the DLC and I do really enjoy the game. But I do not agree with how they have done the DLC.
In my opinion the way Icarus is currently played is exactly the kind of play style I love. For those that love building huge castles and decorating the open world is for you. Then there's a few of us that love the idea of playing as a speedrunning minimalist that the missions give. You build a small place that you don't get attached to, complete the objective, return to station, spend and plan out your meta progression for future runs and then send the next mission. The audience that the devs are catering to has changed from when they launched so there's bound to be some people that dont like the new systems, story line, and gameplay mechanics. From the first trailer if that had really been the game we had gotten, I wouldn't have gotten it as its another generic copy and paste survival game instead the devs took a risk in changing it so much. Going from a Sci-fi alien lifestyle to a more realism type style with some oddities is acceptable for me. For the pay wall for those of us that have been following the DLC's development every week the DLC itself is almost another game using the mechanisms and early game knowledge we know from the base game. I get the frustration you're having seeing a 1/2 fulfilled promise and other problems. Unfortunately the game no longer caters to the broadest audience and is now focusing on those of us that have fallen in love with the playstyle it currently has. While any other person looks at the price tag and nopes on out of there. Anyone that enjoys this game as much as i do looks at the price tag and then thinks about how many more hours we're willing to work to get the DLC. If not buying it right away and buying one less pizza for the next 3 weeks.
What i love on Icarus is that it's a kinda realistic survival game but with good building mechanics with a mix of modern like the electric furnaces solar pannels, basicly the oposite what Z1 wants it to be. The team has been giving us weekly updates witch its untinkable to happen on every other game i know. But i gotta agree, 25 bucks for a DLC it's a bit too much.
I like how you can buy workshop tools very soon after starting but they last less than an hour before needing repair, a sickle last about 5 minutes. But to repair them you need a repair station which unlocks at tier 3. So you grind to level 20, then super grind to get all the stations build to finally make that one, only to find out that it has to be powered. So you look back in the tech tree only to find that while the repair station which needs power is available at tier 3, the generators are on the tier 4 list still far out of reach. Brilliant game play mechanics.
@@K162KingPin You lot just can't stop lying about the game, even if what you are saying was true, if you sat there for five minutes straight cutting fiber with your sickle you would have enough fiber to last you 20 years. The work shop items are not meant for you to use indefinitely, they are meant to give you an early boost in missions until you make your work benches and craft a better one. Think for 2 seconds jeez.
@@K162KingPinUse the workshop items to start quickly, but don't use them up. Bring them back instead of breaking them. (Can repair in orbit for cheap) As for the DLC... no thanks. Plus I'm playing starfield now.
@@jasonbow1926 I just got Starfield too, so far its fun, but I'm sure I will play Icarus more as well as time goes on. As for the workshop tools I dont' know why no one seems to understand this. Its like they don't teach reading comprehension in school any more. I am not confused about the purpose of worshop tools, or how to repair them either on planet, or at the station. I was simply pointing out the iron that the devs put the technology to build the repair station capable of repairing workshop items at tier 2 allowing players to unlock it fairly early, yet the station must be powered and there are no power items available at that level. So you can build the bench but you can't power it, so its useless until you are able to unlock at least some kind of power generator. Its like having a car without a battery, or a TV without a remote control. Or a shower with no water. So you buy the repair kids from the workshop, you unlock the repair station and build it, THEN you find out that the station has to be powered, only to realize that not only can you not build a power generator yet, you can't even unlock them until you level up several more times.
Nah you're basing this all around how we were "promised" this dlc from the start. They said before launch the alien stuff would be dlc, so maybe if you preordered for some reason (who is still doing this) you were misled The open world stuff they said was NEVER coming, and now we have that for free along with other things they didn't plan on like fishing. No vehicles but mounts. (They said they couldn't find a reason for vehicles, which is true they wouldn't work) The base game isn't even full price $60 or $70 nowadays, and if you play with friends only 1 needs to buy dlc I see absolutely nothing wrong with these practices and will continue to support them monitarily. No mans sky, I would never pay for dlc. They made way more than they deserved on launch and it was a full $60. Honestly, both these games have the same amount of replayability. Neither are really that good, but NMS has been out for 7 years and still isn't fun
Don't waste your time on ignorant idiots who want everything for free. 1. They can't read an EA tag that says the game is subject to change and does not reflect a final product. 2. These are the same people crying about devs who don't update their games and do not communicate with their players. 3. The same gamers who buy Call of Booty Reskinned 15. 4. All these followers can't think for themselves so they are here so someone can lie and tell them what to do.
I like the mission mode. Most people that don't like it are trying to play the missions like every other survival game. They drop in and spend a bunch of time building a huge base that is completely unnecessary when all they needed to do was wander to a few POIs and picks some plants. I like the challenge of figuring out the minimum crafting necessary to finish the mission. Once you get enough items unlocked in the space station you can drop in and complete some missions without building anything on the ground. They came up with a storyline reason for everything looking so earthlike (terraforming) but it was disappointing not to see the alien creatures from the previews.
There's TONS of new creatures in the new map. The lack of a vehicle is because it didn't get good reception in test play. People said it damaged the game experience and made things less fun, so they scrapped it as a plan and are instead working on a variety of mount options.
Hello, I agree with most of what you said. The game, now with DLC, makes it comparable to a full priced game. I got the game early access after being in the alphas and betas. most was included with founder kits. The missions were a great change of pace. The best thing to come from the new DLC is that you can craft a communications device on your open world and complete the missions from the regular progression and they count as completed. You also get the rewards and unlocks. I think this is a great addition. This adds missions (without timers) to the game and gives new goals and boss battles to our open worlds.
@Z1Gaming I appreciate your humble request for constructive criticism. I wanted to point out some inconsistencies in your video that are misleading to viewers. You make references to a prior “trailer” that sold you on the game. Your reference was to a conceptual ‘sneak peek’ trailer. You mention that ‘this is what was promised’. Conceptual trailers are just that, concepts that are being worked on. The release trailer showed what the game was, a very earth like survivor. Your statements in the video are misleading. It sounds like you are upset that the game is now what you wanted it to be on release. That’s not a broken promise, that’s game development.
This is just typical gamer entitlement nowadays, games are worth more than $70 and if we ever want to get away from free to play microtransactions or games that are just copy pasted everywhere you have to spend the money on these smaller studios. $45 total on a game and dlc is cheap, even back around 2012 you were expected to pay $60 for a base game like cod and then $15 for 4 DLCs which really just amounted to a few tiny new maps essentially paying $120 to play the full game. 1 zombies map in the entire game I paid $140 for tarkov in 2017 to play, and have gotten way more value out of it over the years. It shouldn't be hard to pay what games are worth today just because you can play fortnite all day for free
When i purchased my copy of icarus, i got "Icarus: Supporters Edition" and the expansion "New Frontiers" is included with it has I just checked, At the time of purchase it said in the information it will including some upcoming expansions. ICARUS: Supporters Edition includes Icarus: First Cohort and the Styx Map & Mission Pack DLC, our Interior Decorations DLC, plus two future DLC expansions, which take prospectors from the familiarity of earth-like biomes into a more alien and dangerous beyond.
My Bro and i bought the deluxe package(support package now) back when it finally became available. we got that not to support the game but for the extra's. later on the deluxe package extra's was given to everyone and we deluxe package owners were told that they weren't gonna give us anything extra that the standard package owners couldn't have also for free so screw you. i'll stick to the main point. i took a look this morning at the shop and it was telling me i had to purchase the new DLC. i don't know if others got it for free but we surely didnt get it for free. i changed my recommendation this morning to warn them this probably has become a money grab game. i agree with what you have said in this video and even the first video you put up back in the day that is similar to this. i hope sincerely that people see this video and research the points and think twice before buying Icarus. i love the game but it just isn't worth it anymore with all the broken promises and money grab scheme's. GL and Happy Gaming to all!!! Onto the next one!!! maybe...Enshrouded open Beta soon?!?
Thank you for your truly honest feed back. I was going to pick this up as I played it before but the cost as you state is not worth it for what should have been included
Half the stuff he implies isn't included actually is. I wouldn't listen to reviews from people who didn't bother to invest the time to actually play the content. He made a lot of really silly assumptions.
@@bloodiedporcelain6320 Yes, and its pathetic of him. These devs have constantly updated the game every week for almost 2 years, but nothing is ever good enough for ignorant people. Go play your trash games that the developers update once a year and don't even communicate. This guy is a liar, think for yourself and stop listening to other people, don't be a follower.
The mission timer is now in play time. You get 7 days of actual play time! So basically, the mission timer, if it's 1 day or longer, it isn't even worried about for me. I actually enjoy the building and gathering of each mission. I guess I'm weird. Also, they are releasing weekly updates adding more and fixing a lot to it. Hopfully, in time, they will make this game into what they promised. I am enjoying it now, though.
Hey Z, if you bought the addition that gave you the original outposts - you more than likely already have this without paying for it. When I was looking into it the only content I didn't have was the 3 new outposts.
There's an update every week; for free. They added (and keep adding) new stuff for free; the fishing, the bestiarity, the farming revamp, new workshop items, ..., soon (in a month or two) the ability to access missions from open world. The Styx map and missions were free for the longest time for everyone who owned the game as a "sorry" for everyone who lived through the rocky launch. After months, they decided to charge for it. It's an extra map and mission pack that is not needed to enjoy the base game. Their new DLC now is a new map, new story, new missions. I don't think it's weird that they charge for extra maps and extra content. Also note; you can play the new map and missions without getting this DLC if you play together with someone who has the DLC and hosts the session.
I think all the update are fantastic, but with all of these updates and changes do you feel the game was done when it launched? Or does it seem more like an early access title that is updating and changing to what the players wanted? I understand the time and effort put into a new map and missions but charging this much for a game that at its base, was not what was promised or delivered and basically an unreal engine asset showcase. Why should we have to pay for what should have already been included. I also thank you for bringing to light that the Styx map was free and is now an additional purchase. That is also an extremely scummy practice. Thank you for your opinions and for commenting.
@@Z1Gaming I totally agree that the game was not ready when it launched. I felt cheated back then because of the lack of an early access flag, which should have been there imo. But by now through all their weekly updates and fixes, they have redeemed themselves in my eyes, and the game is not the mess it once was anymore. The things they kept adding in the weekly updates went also far beyond fixing their original mistakes, but added a lot of stuff initially not intended to the game. Added because of community feedback. You can't in good concience keep holding it against them and demand that all their future DLC's will be super cheap, or even free to compensate for that bad launch, forever. 🙂 Even if a few assets or reworked assets were used; claiming that the base game is an unreal engine asset showcase seems unfair and is just plainly untrue. And why is it a scummy practice to give the Styx DLC for free up til a certain time? On May 27, 2022, they announced "Free DLC featuring a new 64 km2 map, 14 new missions and new creatures, as a sorry for a rocky launch, and a thank you". They immediately mentioned this would become a paid DLC at some point in the future, of which they gave ample warning in advance. So the way I see it, people who were hit by the "rocky launch" - and then some - received it for free, as an apology. People who never experienced the rocky launch because they bought the game later, don't get it for free anymore, but can still buy it as a DLC. As for paying again for what should have been included, to which I assume you mean alien life forms; Rocket himself had this to say on a Steam forum post where some subscribers of you were flaunting your video (and ofc also throwing around terms like "fraud", "scam", "thieves" etc 😄): "The game was launched as “Icarus: First Cohort”. Advertised as landing on a terraformed planed gone wrong. First cohort was advertised as earth like. At launch we advertised two expansions, the first of which was to be New Frontiers which is when the alien world would open up. It’s very easy to see what was announced (even before the game went on sale). It’s also easy to find the documentaries where we talk about why first cohort was to be not alien, and why new frontiers would be our first alien zones. This was always planned and you can go read that very easily, and not resort to making things up."
That's because it's an enviro-suit, not a spacesuit. Think of it like a wetsuit, but for land since we're people working planet-side, not in space. Divers still catch diseases even if they're wearing a wetsuit going underwater and also gradually lose oxygen. The air is toxic, but not instantly lethal, so they can remove the mask to eat/drink, but not for long periods unless they want the oxygen to solidify in their lungs.
It is easy to understand your view. I am not inclined to be upset myself. I believe a game's value isn't set by the price, but by the amount of time I am willing to put into it. My own valuation is simple: every $10 should be at least 10hrs of enjoyment. To that logic, I have 113.5hrs on Icarus for $35. I do not mind paying another $25 since it will likely earn another 100+hrs of enjoyment.
These days I might set the ratio higher but this was a rule me and my brother used for a looong time. And icarus has kept it interesting at least (Rock or Bear is a phrase that I think will long outlast this game)
My problem with this entire video is that if the DLC ended up only being $5 there would be no problem at all and you would be playing it right now on your channel 100%, devs need to make money and they are struggling that is true which is why they are trying their best to get people to review the game on steam, buy the supporters packs, but the devs are amazing people and thats why i keep coming back and playing this absolutely amazing game
The problem is paying for something and not getting it, then much latter being offered what you already paid for as long as you pay for it again. NOT cool. Paying for dlc's that add NEW things not supposed to already be in the game is one thing, paying again for what you already paid for is another.
You do realize you invalidated your own argument right? People would still be annoyed with a $5 price tag, but that would be FAR more reasonable than $30... Would you pay $30 for a carton of eggs because the farmer down the road is struggling and is an amazing person? Cyberpunk is doing a similar thing, but at least their DLC adds actually new content while they are releasing a FREE patch that adds everything the original game promised. If they wanted to get more reviews this will certainly get them... just a boat load of negative reviews though.
@@maliticus7474 SO the first dlc being free wasn't good enough? 90 weeks of updates not good enough? Ill pay 30$ for a game that updates every week, has a road map, and gives me a free dlc.
If you want to throw money at people this blatantly greedy that is your choice. In 90 weeks of "updates" they have barely added anything of value and many game breaking bugs still exist. But by all means fund this kind of lack luster work and greedy marketing ploys to sell to the player what was already promised. If they weren't so dead set on taking a survival game into a completely niche direction maybe the game wouldn't be dying to the point they feel the need to charge $30 for a DLC.@@ChiefKief6Nine
If I'm on a alien world I don't expect to see earth wolves and bears.. kind of ruins the immersion.. and I won't be spending more on the expansion than I did for the game when it first came out
You are on a world they tried to terraform into a livable environment, thats why there are bioengineered animals from earth. Olympus starts you off in the area that was relatively safe for people to go.
No, if you're logging into a game called Icarus, you should've known it is an alien world that we terraformed and the first and second maps were areas where terraforming was done right. You have the right to not buy this concept at all, but next time try to realize things earlier and probably read more.
@@hpmc7426 They can't read, thats why they are here listening to this guy cry he has to pay for a DLC. They talk about early access but can't read the early access tag that said, This Early Access game is not complete and may or may not change further. If you are not excited to play this game in its current state, then you should wait to see if the game progresses further in development.
@@hpmc7426 That still doesn't make sense. Because all of these earth creatures are living on this planet, but you're the only one that needs oxygen? That doesn't make any sense at all. Just another basic survival game without good implementation of survival.
@@dempos it still doesn't make sense because you still haven't learned to read. Nothing I said was MY explanation, I was merely reporting or repeating from the Wiki, which you obviously haven't read or else you would not have asked this question in the first place. If you hate the base lore much what are you even doing in the game. Or if you haven't even played the game what are you even doing here. Choose one ending yourself.
Ive been sitting here, just getting back into it, and found this vid. You're right. I paid I think $30 as the game launched, and it was lack luster and under developed. Now, yes, they are adding content weekly, which is more than I can say for other developers. However, I looked it up, and they made roughly 31 mil when the game launched, and for them to come around now and say that they need it again... What a huge thanks to those who 1. Funded them in the beginning, and 2. Actually still want to play such a repetitive game. Good vid, I appreciate the clarity.
i mean they could of just released it for 70 dollars and then still charged 40 dollar for dlc like other company at the end of the day your getting the same stuff for less than it would cost to get the full experience in most "AAA" game and honestly it's more interesting then at least 95% of "AAA" games.
Hilarious to watch a review of someone who hasn't bothered with the actual release of the expansion. Missions ARE in the open world now, you just can't get exotics (yet - that's coming in the next big free update, is my understanding). You also don't have to "start from zero" on every mission. The point is every mission gives you Ren and/or Exotics, which you use in the workshop to get upgraded gear. Eventually your gear gets good enough some missions you don't even need a base, you just need to go where the map tells you to and kill something or pick something up, then go back. And the ones where you DO need bases? Building what you need takes no time at all because you're able to farm so much more efficiently. Here's the other stuff he doesn't mention for those who might actually be questioning whether or not it's worth the money to buy the game: They do WEEKLY updates, introducing everything from new tools, to missions, to mechanics. So far I've never seen them miss an update. The earth creatures are there because this isn't just an alien world, it's an alien world people tried to terraform and it went badly. Missions are now available in open world (this might only be for the new expac's map, they are actively working to do the same for the other open world maps). Exotics are going to be available to farm in open world in the next BIG free update. You don't need to have the expac to play on the map if someone you know has it and is hosting it, from what I saw on the Discord. The staff are some of the most actively involved and friendly types I've ever seen on any game, indie or AAA. The timer is no longer based on real-world time passage, it's based on time spent in-game. You can play on dedicated servers now. If you don't have the money to spend on games, then don't get it. If you do, it's well worth the investment, though you can honestly just buy the base, see if you like it, and piece meal purchase the parts of the DLCs and expacs that you want.
i know how you feel, but the developers have been updating and making the game better. they have to get paid some how to keep developing and i am willing to support them to keep that up. the open world is amazing and the developer is working to make the open world where you can do all the missions from there too.
@@zingzinger77 I played one mission but wasn't feeling it. I use to really enjoy the game but I lost my character with 230 hours or progress when they did the migration as I was away with work and unable to log in (big sad) I had the Olympus map al.ost completed. Since then I have really struggled to get back in to the game. This update was going to be the make or break. In fairness to them at the moment I'm chest deep playing Conan exiles and loving that so I will go back to it eventually. The first mission is a mix of the two, alien world but still has earth creatures. They explain it in the lore/mission brief but it didn't really get me as hyped as the video did.
@@Mike-vy3mm Got it! Yeah they should definitely have settings for non hardcore gamers (same issue I have with rust). Great games but permadeath mode makes playing these games impossible for anyone not dedicating every second to one game. Like Z1 said this should have been a content update with new modes and zones and then later they could sell new maps. We have not had an issues buying map packs since COD zombies so idk why anyone would try this and think it’s gonna go great 🤷🏽 I hope they can get things back on track as it’s a beautiful game and the devs seem to have big dreams for this game. Anyways thanks for the insight!! I appreciate the candor!
@@zingzinger77 couldn't agree more. In fact after watching Z1s video I felt like I had been almost scammed for buying it. But I'm going to take the view that I'm HOPFULLY supporting the further development into a game a really want it to be..... Maybe.
Hey, Z1 I agree with your thoughts and the details you mentioned in the video for the Icarus mission mode the game would have been okay if the devs had made the mission to give a stat/character buff or item enhancements passively in the starting missions in a progressive manner(you completed this mission here you go with a item and reward to help you with the tasks in next mission [In a way prestige to the next mission but with the incentive to complete previous missions and make the next subsequent missions a little less grinding intensive] As you do a new mission from scratch the mission completion is a bit more reward-full instead of starting from scratch rinse and repeat). Secondly the game DLC pricing. On Steam it is sometimes possible to Buy the DLC for the discounted bundle price. The main game Icarus =30$. The Icarus new Frontier DLC=30$ (regular pricing). The Icarus main game + Icarus new frontier DLC bundle=44/45$. What I am saying is if you/anybody already owns the base Icarus game for 30$ in general bought after the new release offer ended then you can still go for the game bundle option{Note:-this only works when you buy the game DLC for yourself on the steam account you already own the game in; if you go for buying the bundle for friends or family then you will have to pay the full bundle price of =44$ which is still better then spending a total of =60$ to buy the base game and DLC separately}. and buy the New Frontier DLC at the bundle discounted price of 15/20$ total In the purchasing final product receipt you can see the base game being cut off from your order and you only paying for the DLC at the bundle discounted price. So people who already own the game give this method a try and buy the new DLC for 15/20$. Instead of buying the DLC alone separately and spending =30$ on it.
Hey my guy! I definitely agree with your thoughts, me and my friends all got it because of what we were hoping for and all the updates they made. But now that they give what was promised and still charging us feels like a bummer.
And here I was just thinking about this game again. First round of the game was interesting, but not enough to get me to do more then watch some gameplay series. I'll have to wait longer to see how this plays out.
Hi Z1! I was one of the early buyers of this game and I did buy the supporter pack that said I do disagree with your conclution when it comes to the stuff they charge you for for one simple reason, they did say that from the start that it was and is ment to be payable DLC at a point, it was given to us that adopt the game early and touse who stuck with it despite the buggs that most has been fixed. It was announsed for backers to obtain two outposts we got three two upcomming DLC's we are given three ( Styx, New Frontiers, and the last I dont remember the name of) but styx was supposed to be an payeble DLC and the extra outposts was allways announsed as payeble content. The price I cant say anything about but late adopters of the game can still JOIN New Frontiers they just cant host it, and if you think about all the content and missions they added every week (89 in total) for free that does not come with extra cost for new addopters of the game and they can enjoy I really dont see why you cant support it, how ever that dessision is totally up to you and I really hope you will support it in the end.
Hello, first of: i love your Content, please keep going! Now to my first youtube commend ever: i think the Situations are different between No Man Sky and icarus: no man sky promised the world and delivered almost nothing. Icarus prommised a purly mission based survival on an alien planet. and while the alien wasn't visable at first, it would have made it into the game in the 89 updates after. But! they couldn't because we! the players wanted the game model to be 100% diffrend: we wanted permanet bases and open world. so instead of developing what they planed they did the unthinkable: they listend to us! And redeveloped their game to our tastes. changed the game so it runs without their servers (which would have helped keep the studio alive) and changed their game loop entirely. Now that we have the game we wanted, they can push for their alien idears. (and yes the cute little alien is in game now^^). I hope you might realise that this is its very own thing and hopefully give it a go at some point. Hope everyone has an amazing day^^
Totally right no man sky has done it right giving the players what they promised the first trailer off icarus is what I wanted from this game this game could have been a big hit
I think it makes sense from a consumer perspective to just look at items on a shelf and make a value assessment based on the price tag vs what it says is in the box. Unfortunately the reality of providing ongoing support and development for a game means it isn't that simple. No Man's Sky made US$70M in it's _first month_ so that funds a whole bunch of free ongoing development.
@@heightmare 100% correct, and rockwertz has done pretty well catering to the wants of the playerbase, mostly. Rockwertz clearly has a dream for where they want the game to be, but everyone is impatient for it to be there straight away, but dont want to appreciate the story
Absolute kudos for this. I agree entirely. They could have even bumped the original price up $10 and made the update free and it would have been more justified. It's refreshing seeing someone like yourself stand up for all of us and giving a voice. Will it change? Probably not. But the message behind the move is so very important
Just my opinion: I love Icarus, one of the better survival games. I dont mind the price of the DLCs, the DEVs have to make money or their wouldnt be a game. This game updates every week and the DEVs work hard. I have no issue with paying for the DLCs. At least with ICARUS I know I will play it and enjoy it for awhile. I am also confused as to why everyone has to pay for the "New Frontiers". I didnt pay for it and I have been playing the missions on the new map (Prometheus) for a few hours today. The swamps are one of the best places to explore, I love the new creatures.
As an Icarus fan I'm whatever about it, but the good news is that the Devs are working on a FREE update for Olympus and Styx. As found on the discord feed, "Hypatia Update... This update will be free for all users, and bring the open-world operations system to all maps in the game at no cost. " So if you have the base game, the update is coming. Otherwise you are paying for new maps and I think they should be paid for their work. Maybe it feels like nickel and diming, so perhaps they could change their price model, but at the end of the day I probably won't be rushing to the new expansion.
Coming from "the other side of the isle": After watching this video, a couple of things: You have some valid points; not everything from the original trailer is in the base game. I'd like to get vehicles so traveling would become a tad easier. However, you're also making assumptions (for example when you were talking about how the missions would become harder so it'd be hard to finish the later missions within the allotted time). Also, only able to play certain days; that's beta-weekend time! Ever since launch you were able to play whenever you wanted (24/7) Looks like that part of your opinion is based on incorrect data. Yes, for each mission you have to start all over again (building-wise; your character persists with all his skills and talents). To be honest, for me it's become an integral part of doing Icarus missions: You drop in and first start building a base (our team (of two people) have it down to where we can start making T3 items within 1,5h and T4 items within 2h of gameplay). After building the base, there's plenty of time to do the mission. And if it's a really short mission, you don't even need a base (not all missions require you to tech up to T4 or even T3). Having said that, on New Frontiers they added the possibility to start a mission from within your Open World. I haven't tried it yet myself so I don't know what you can bring from your OW to the mission, but it'll for sure give you a running start. The same functionality is planned to become available for Styx and Olympus as well in the next big update (Hypatia) - not a DLC, but an update. Price-wise: In the second half of the video you're repeating over and over again that the price for Prometheus is 35 bucks; it's 30 bucks as you mentioned properly before. Not the biggest issue, but please try to keep your facts straight 🙂 Here's a question: You said you didn't have Styx (and in the Steam footage in this video it shows you haven't bought it), yet you have played OW on a Styx map? This doesn't really compute. I thought if you don't have Styx, you shouldn't be able to play a Styx Open World either? It looks like your biggest grief is the fact that neither Olympus nor Styx delivered all that was in the video. Some (most) of the stuff you expected is in this new DLC. So you feel like you have to play twice for what was promised. But look at it from this side: Is the base game worth its price? If so, look at what additional stuff you get from the DLC; is it worth its price? Don't look at the original launch video; look at the content and playability of both base game and the DLCs. Is each DLC worth its price? There are plenty of games which didn't deliver what they originally promised. Sorry bud, but it looks like your video is just a rant because things didn't go your way (and yes, I'm biased the other way round, being the Icarus fan that I am). You're stating incorrect facts (the prices for example), you're talking about things you don't know anything about (looking at a less than half completed mission tree) etc. Again, I admit you have valid points as well; some of the things in this DLC is stuff that was shown in the introduction video for Icarus (although, did they ever say that was an introduction video to Olympus? Or more like a video showing where they would want to go with the game?). Sure the DLC is 30 bucks (25 in the launch sale) for a base game price of 35 bucks, so a tad high; but is this because the DLC is too expensive, or is this because the base game is too cheap? Because tbh I've seen games in the same price range yet offering way less content (and zero replayability). Anyway, counter argument done. Let the commenting begin...
It's good that content creators finally speaks out about this BS. I bought EU4 back in the day and every time they added content it had a price tag and changed your game according to the new content even if you didn't buy it, so you were playing a game punishing you if the new content gave you buffs. So playing with the base game only was impossible because you could never do the achievements. I did pick up most dlcs for only 150 extra euros but almost paying 200 euros for a game is just madness. Yes you can get them for 70% or wait 10 years to get it all for 50 euros but if you bought a game then do you really want to sit on it for years just to be able to afford the required dlcs. My point is not that they shouldn't ask for money for a dlc, my point is that it really feels bad when they force you to buy it just because you want to play the game you thought you bought. Like ask 2000 for a game if you like but don't sell me something for 40 and then force me to pay more to play the game you promised me for 40. I would never pay 200 euros for a game but was forced to do it over 2 years time and then when I finally got em all It had added so much extra into the game that it became a job to play it so now its in my library only.
A great game developer is Fun Pimps. I bought 7D2D back in A14 and still today I don't have to pay for the next Alpha and I don't always agree with their changes, but I can play previous Alphas so they want to develop but they respect me enough not to force me to pay or even play their new version. There is probably many game developers out there with a great moral but Fun Pimps model is just perfect for a casual player.
I think the devs are running short on money. I really like their other game, Stationeers, and in the recent blogposts for it they've been bringing up how hard it is to fund a niche game like that and how people should buy the cosmetic DLCs to support it. Granted, they always advertised their DLCs in the blogposts but I'm pretty sure they never worded it like that. It was more like "support us by getting DLCs if you like what you see". Wouldn't be surprised if this update is another effort to keep their studio going. Maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, I agree about the price tag being too high. I'm not convinced the No Man's Sky scheme is viable for all dev teams though, especially less popular ones like Icarus. The whole false advertising aspect feels sketchy for sure however.
I gave up on Icarus during the free beta. I'm in a spacesuit but I get pneumonia in a cave? I need oxygen to survive but fire burns just fine? Etc, etc. Pure silliness and I just couldn't get into it
Imo the price point is fine. As the dlc will get further updates. I personally feel this new frontiers expansion/dlc is like an early access release. They released a map and items that they are going to expand on with the weekly updates. Like next week we are getting wind generators. So it may be called a dlc. But is is a stand alone "world" with weekly updates. My issues, is we cannot and do not have custom game/server settings.
I really enjoyed listening to this. I agree with absolutely everything you've said and I've subscribed. Great stuff. I think they need to work on performance, rather than content as a first step. The content isn't what they'd promised, but it's definitely still fun. It's the performance that I take issue with, and I think that should be a priority over adding content. I don't have the most beastly PC in the world, but I shouldn't be getting 20-30fps at 1080p lowest settings. I have a Ryzen 7 5700X and rtx 3070 with 32GB of 3600Mhz DDR4. The updates are also crazy, they can take hours to install for me across various PCs and SSDs, it doesn't seem to make a difference. Anyway! I loved the video, agree with everything you had to say and I'm looking forward to seeing more from you in the future.
They must have done something after your comment. I'm playing on a 2070 Super and I get 100+ fps no matter what. The game is running incredibly well for something with such amazing graphics. I also have it all on High
Ok, i got to 5:02 in this video before the urge took me to respond. So apologies if you covered what you've missed past this point in the video, but from the first 5:02 minutes it seems that you've not followed Icarus since it's launch. Since then they have released 89 updates to the base game... If you've not been here through that then I don't know how much I can trust your videos to cover exactly what Icarus is going forward. You don't seem to know about it's previous DLC.. you don't seem to know about Styx being free to play to many of us for a long time, before going paid DLC, you don't seem to know about the new DLC that's been added to the game etc or anything else to do with the recovery from the past.. If you were a 'regular' player who played Icars a lot.. then you were a player who knew what were happening.. and now I am sorry, but it seems like you've been out of the loop for a while.
i was Thinking about buying this game, then i saw this video and it ant buying it now for a good min until something changes, thanks for bringing this up
I also personally never got over the fact that your space suit is air-tight but you can still catch pneumonia. The update costing that much on top of the game's base price makes it a no-buy for me, i'm not buying two games just to have one game.
Hypatia update is giving open world missions to Styx and Olympus maps for free. Think the game devs made good on their promises and I would love to see you do a serie. Although I was totally with you on not covering this game without open world would make content and absolute drag just early game over n over.
I absolutely was an early access backer and the only DLC in my library is styx map & missions, the new expansion is NOT free for early access backers - unless there was some premium package you could buy above basic early access.
I aplaud you for making your points clear. I agree completely. Ive put 200+ hours in the base game and cant justify paying more for the DLC that I did for the game.
You have gotten 200hrs of playtime in a 40$ game and cant justify paying for a dlc after you got the first one free? That is one of the dumbest thing I have ever heard said about a game. For 40$ 40hrs is considered your moneys worth, 200hrs bruh c'mon you really can't justify it?
Z... I cannot tell you enough how much I enjoy this assessment of the game's content. Where I really enjoyed all the parts of the game myself, I had trouble convincing any "normal gamer" friend of mine that this was a good game. I actually decided to write it off when I saw the DLC was nearly the price of the game itself. I agree with you, and my friends, to not support this game. Although, I also wish the game success, because for somebody out there, this is for them.
I just got off of a 24 hr launch stream. The price is high, and i couldnt afford it, but i dont regret buying it. It is less then a night at the theater. That boss is a nightmare incarnate. Missions from open world are coming in hypatia. Im a builder and I love the prospect non persistence model. Everything looks terrine because of terraforming.
I wouldn't mind buying it to support the devs but all I see is a new biome, new critters and more junk to craft. I think what the game needs is to make open world more meaningful and challenging with the medium and long term goals and to make missions more like 10-30min adventures.
Actually, that's exactly what you're getting with this DLC; you can start missions now (the actual prospects) from within your Open World. This will also come to Olympus and Styx shortly. Plus, you already had (and still have) the SIMPL3 missions, which are exactly that: a couple of minutes adventures.
I know I'm late, but the mission system (semi-roguelike gameplay loop) was loved by the majority of players. Sure, lots of players didn't love it, but the meta progression with the upgrades at the space station was a fantastic, fresh take on the survival genre.
Gets old quick once you get most of the good stuff on the shop, especially when there's one mission that's most efficient for each currency type, making the other missions redundant and unrewarding
@@JohnSmith-zs1bf Sure, but that doesnt change the fact that it's still a fresh and interesting new take on the genre. Open world games that don't have that, also become redundant and unrewarding, just in different aspects and different ways Agreed that the execution could be done better, they need some kind of endgame "currency-sink" where you can dumb Ren and Exotics to gain benefits, other than just the shop
I sadly do agree with much of what you said - however Rockworks is a small developer, and you cant always compare prices for small developer games vs large ones. Yes, the DLC is somewhat expensive, but the amount of development that went in to make it, likely as as much as the main game itself. They are people with families who need to be fed etc too. Sure, if the DLC was free, maybe it would boost the main game profits. But I dunno. I have been playing since the early Beta Weekends of Icarus, and yes I was also rather disapointed as time went on, lots of repeats / restarts every mission etc, and the ongoing bugs. When it was Released, I didnt think it was ready, still. I have about 400 hours of gameplay now, and I still have frustrations with aspects of it. I have just brought the New Frontiers expansion, and I am going to give it a go, an support the company too. From what I can tell though, its as you said in your video. I just hope its interesting enough that I want to play. While your review is somewhat harsh, I also think you have said a lot of truth, and echo'ing a lot of what I have thought myself. But if you dont support smaller companies in their products, then they will never turn into companies to make the big titles in the future. You dont go from nothing to #1 title without investment or customers support. This company has released weekly updates for a long time, trying to improve the game - no one else does that, and I think we should support them on that if we find the game fun. Stating you wont support them, I think is sad, as its based solely on the fact they need to make money to produce the content, and you thinking it should be free - they would be out of business if they didnt charge for it.
These aren't all or nothing. The problem isn't that they're charging for DLC. It's that they sold the game originally as something it wasn't and now want to charge a full-game price to make it what they originally sold it as. There's a lot of options between free and $30. If this had been $5 or $10 I think they would have gotten a different response. I understand they obviously need to make money to continue to exist but have some respect for the people who bought your game. This game does not justify a $65 price point.
Imagine if construction companies did this. Here's half a home at full home price, and now you gotta pay extra for us to finish building like we promised.
Man, I used to play games all the time. If I was home, I was playing. Life has gotten busy and I hardly play at all with the exception of PGA 2k21. I still enjoy watching game play though/.
I got Icarus on day 1 of early access. The missions got repeatative and most yhe features you have now werent there. It still a great survival game. Paid $20 then for it. Stopped playing after awhile until a week ago when i seen they have a new map DLC. Its so much better than it used to be. They have it fiscounted as a bundle for under $60 and even if you dont get the bundle, its still $60 for a game. That has been the standard for new AAA games for years and imo Icarus stands on the level with any AAA survival game. And dont hate on an indie using assets they bought on the marketplace. They dont use a ton of them and by buying them they essentially paid a marketplace creator to make assets for them. Its not a bad thing. Loads of great artists and coders make a living selling assets on UE marketplace and youll be hard pressed to find any game, AAA or not, that doesnt utilize some kind of asset from the marketplace. So why tall bad about a game with marketplace assets when all your doing is hurting good artists...
New dlc have all the missions also in the new map and mission will also come to old maps in future patch so every mission will be aviable in open world and you dont have to start again
I 100% felt the same about this. First trailers had stuff that wasnt added till this expension for 25€. I also wont support this kind of companys. People should really think about what they are supporting and what dog-you-know-what marketing they give a feeling of SUCCESS. I think if this marketing is feeling like they do it right it will impact future developments of any kind of games. I'm glad people with some "range" rant on those kind of devs and marketings. Thanks for sharing your opinion.
Yes they were talking about dlcs but no information about base game or dlc content, so how could youve been able to know that the base game is about no aliens or vehicles. You simply couldnt know.
I was expecting he new map to be priced the same as the Styx map, AUD$14 not the AUD $37!!! It also means that 1/3 of the orbital store is out of reach if you don't buy the DLC. While I will be buying it, only because I have waited months for the open world missions. And I expect another map will be included in the future.
Really? According to your recording you played Icarus for 29 hours, which is not much considering it's a crafting game with a lot of missions. Let's assume you bought this games at full price of $29, than you payed $1 per hour. To compare this to another fun activity, the average movie ticket in the US is $10. So $5 per hour. For me video gaming is not a source of income, just a hobby and I played Icarus very casually with brakes in between where I did not touch the game for a couple of month but always coming back and enjoying it. I played it more than 180 hours and had a lot of fun. I had way more fun with Icarus than with other anticipated AAA games I bought at full price to avoid spoilers. So even though the games was not finished when it released, it still had weekly updates and it was a nice surprise after a little hiatus to start up the game and see new maps, missions, perks, tools and so on. And lets be real here, a lot of people buy this game not on steam but at some other retailer for a fracture of the price. I will buy the DLC.
I dont mind that they charged for it. If you play rust... map makers charge upwards of $65 per map for server owners to own. $25 for all this content. Yea. Its pretty good they did alot of work.
thats every dlc lol some are more and sell year 1 pass 60$ year 2 pass 60$ season pass 60$ base game 79.99 or 129.99 for deluxe so 25$ is to high when other games are pushing 200$ mark an when you buy season pass they say well thats 1 year pay us for pass to get more then do it again for year 2 lol thats scummy but 25$ for dlc is so normal now adays an has been for years and i dont care if no mans sky does it for free thats no mans sky not everyone has to follow them an do what other devs do and nms took 5 years to give what was promised so they had no choice but to give it for free ark survival evolved same thing charging for unreal engine 5 upgrade after saying it was free now its same as base game from 8 years ago but there going back into early access with same game again after 5 years of early access and 3 out of early access now we will get another 5 of early access but there charging 60$ to upgrade the game to unreal engine this isnt new charging full price for stuff i could list another 10 or 15 probably but i think ive made the point clear icarus is small team new as well not alot to fall back onto how can they give it for free an still pay ppl to make it or work on it lol ive bought games for 30$ and then dlc cost me 100$ do i cry that the dlc should have been base game no its not my game if its to much i wont buy it no one is forcing you to buy it an how many other games allow you to buy this new content an let you share it with other players so only 1 person needs to buy it an all your friends can still join an use it tell me 1 game that does that guaranteed you cant
For just Icarus specifically though, without charging for this dlc they would 100% be out of funds. Selling a bit more $35 base games wouldn't keep them afloat for long
I'm pleasantly surprised by Your opinion on that and Your principles. DLCs that are more expensive than the main game is insane. Especially if it's like in this case. I haven't picked up Icarus because of these very reasons, that You're just running around on basically Earth, You drop in with a pod in space gear, but have to craft a wooden bow to kill deer, kinda whack, and there's tons of survival games like that, and the atmosphere makes more sense, and then with the limited time to do stuff and having to restart over and over and over again. I'm absolutely with You on that, if it was a 10er, maybe, but 25 on sale with a discounted price already?! No way! And then they still have Stationeers in EA, which I wish would do more on, but yeah... Pretty disappointing all in all.
You forgot to go back and look that the Styx map is a paid DLC now. It was free for the first year it was out but new players have to buy the game and 2 DLCs to enjoy most of the game. People who bought the supporter pack don’t have full access to the game anymore (might be a bug or glitch). The outposts have been locked out and put behind the pay wall (for people who didn’t buy the special edition I agree with paying a little extra but supporters were promised that). I personally bought this DLC and have enjoyed playing the new content and look forward to playing more. I do agree they could have done better with this.
They are charging the full price for a whole new game instead of it being a FREE update since this what we were promised from the very beginning. I really dislike this dev, they are so freaking crooked. This dev did a bait, and switch when they finally released the game, and is the pure definition of false advertising in the trailers, and images which is something I rarely forgive a dev for. The full cost including taxes here in Nova Scotia Canada will be (it's on sale at the moment for $33.14). Price: $33.14 (on sale) HST + Federal (15%): $4.97 Final Price: $38.11 Tell me how this is above board, and being honest with their customers? It isn't, and it CAN'T be defended. Video Liked, and Shared.
I agree on your thoughts about launch Icarus and the promises not delivered, but I find it disingenuous to discuss a DLC's price point that you haven't personally played.
Great, Game love it and happy to pay for DLC Lots of new and interesting items, creatures and QOL changes for everyone.... Purple mist is hard to get used too lol. to have to pay for a DLC is fine just the world we live in.
there making missions in the open world like you said they should get rid of missions and add it to open world well the patches notes that came out for new expansion explain this not be sound rude but maybe read them before ripping the game apart because alot of this isnt true like the full restart not a thing anymore timer for missions not a thing anymore xp debt not a thing anymore start with nothing well there whole workshop or items to buy for in game currency to start with tools gear all that so no of that is a thing anymore your talking about the game like it just came out an ignoring past 89 weekly updates an changes which were all free content an massive fixes and changes which should be free but entire game with dlc is still basic full price game teah there not AAA studio so maybe theres argument there sure and i agree with everything you said about there stuff in trailer just being different game basically like the animals and stuff but i see alot ppl saying this feature should have been in the game well then they add it and ppl still mad so either you want to be mad its not in game or be mad it is added later an costs money but alot games that are being made or dlcs will say we are going to add x y z and then you may get x and z an not y i agree they shouldnt put stuff in trailers thats not in game 100% but also see ppl getting mad about stuff thats in the game an they wanted so is it really just because you have to pay for it through dlc later an not when you bought the base game? like the vehicle in trailer i see that complaint all the time but i bet the moment they add it if its not 100% free same ppl that wanted it will cry i mean no ones forcing anyone to buy the dlc but i feel your not really giving fair review on this i see game after game charge for base game 60$ then season pass 60$ with content not even made for the season pass just a promise youll get it so your up to 120$ then year 1 pass because season pass doesnt cover everything anymore lol i know its dumb so another 60$ then year 2 pass 60$ we're up to 240$ for 1 game and if you wanna buy it for friend 500$ to play that game with 1 friend an buy them all the content i just dont see how 44$ for icarus and expansion is outrageous there a small team and if you wanted to support them i think thats fair price for the replay value and the game itself i have got close to 200 hours an hardly touched the missions thats mostly open world just sandboxing messing around building grinding farming i have 20% of that time into hogwarts legacy before beating it an getting super bored an left with nothing but bug fixes since it came out. icarus weekly updates 89 weeks straight some of which added loads new items features bug fixes optimization and they listened to player base when they wanted open world and garden plots and bunch other stuff they didnt have to add but they did for the players for free but now they are bad guys for asking for 44$ for there game it just doesnt make sense knowing what we know to be mad at them its there game if they want to increase price after a year they have the right to do so and it doesnt make them evil there not making anyone buy it. also if 1 player buys this and his friend says naw i cant afford it or naw i dont think its worth it you can share it so group of friends only needs 1 person to purchase for everyone to experience an benefit from the new dlc/expansion i dont know another game that allows that i have to buy new content for my friends all the time especially when i buy the game for them they wont buy the dlc later they even say i didnt even want to buy game you bought the game for me so if you want me to play the new content you can buy it an thats how every other game ive played has been you dont get to share dlc with friends everyone has to buy that sh*t lol my advice is at very least read the patch notes for the topic or game or expansion your sh*ting on before you claim all this stuff that isnt even in the game anymore an has been changed or removed because there active an weekly updates it changes week by week for last 89 weeks there has been new stuff added and other stuff removed by request of the playerbase that alone shocks me that ppl dont even recognize how little that happens from game devs an take it for granite or just dont know because they dont read patch notes its not hard it doesnt take more then 5 minutes maybe less to fire this video out without even trying to educate yourself on the game is just lazy man it would have taken 5 minutes an the first 10 minutes of your video would be mutt this applys to ppl leaving reviews comments making videos they just complain cry hate bash but cant take 5 minutes to read
I’m considering this: had the devs made good on their promise of content day one then they would have charged full freight from the jump at $50-60. Having said that how is the fee setup now that much different?
It should be an 8/10 at launch. Sadly this "support the devs / early release denial" garbage culture is the norm now. It shouldn't be treated as normal or ok.
So you know Z1 the new DLC u can do "Missions" in open world new map only......the older maps u have to wait for the big update on road map aka around a month or more off
I also agree it was in my wishlist and I wanted to purchase the game and I have found your video and I'm not doing it either this model of selling games is a scam.
Thanks for the info. I had Icarus on my wishlist and just got an email from steam saying it was on sale. I was close to buying, until you pointed out the whole DLC thing. I agree with all your points. When the DLC costs more than the base game. No thanks. To be honest I was never really impressed with the base game and if they're done improving it, I'm done wanting it.
It does not cost more than the base game, the first dlc was free for players who bought the game before a certain date, they have updated the game every week for 90 weeks, perfectly reasonable price. Do you work for free? But yall are ok with games raising the price to 70$ Got it.
I enjoy the update, and don't see the $25 price tag to be a problem. After all, they came up with, basically, a whole other biome with the creatures and effects, along with all of the extra gear. The only problem I DO have a problem with is the fact that I am playing on an NVidia 3080Ti and I STILL get lags spikes and stuttering when running, and my FPS drops to 20. That's unacceptable. Even with my graphics turned down to "Medium" , I am still getting lag spikes, and my system should be able to handle anything on the market to date.
I think all up it costs 60$ for both and that ACTUALLY sounds like a good deal to me. Good on Z for pointing out that this was kinda scummy. I think this dev company is one to keep your defenses up with tho. Bummer that Z won't be playing this one.
Do you know what's scammier than selling DLC's for money? It's 1) intentionally missing out on reasons why fans like a game (or have not done enough homework to know why), 2) avoiding to mention in the whole video he never played or probably haven't even seen someone else play it. I don't know man, maybe he didn't get a free copy from the dev I suppose.
As someone who's played the game for 100-200 hours, I don't really agree with your take on the DLC entirely. You haven't played the DLC, but are making a video about how it's not worth it? They added an entire new map, with new missions, gear, items, building materials and it shouldn't be free, because it's not just some small update. However, I will agree that $25 (on sale even) for the DLC is too much for a game that hardly has any players to begin with. It's not a cash grab, it's a chance to revitalize the game, and they shot way too high with their pricing to do that. The game itself though is in a really good state, with SO much content and stuff to do.
I also agree, they lied and didnt deliver ANYTHING that was in the original trailer. And the missions suck, but the open world is also boring bc none of the same missions are in the open world
Yea the pricing is WAY OFF compared to the cost of the game, we aren't getting an entirely new game with new game mechanics, it's the exact same game with some new assets and a new environment, that does NOT make up for the cost, AT ALL. Some people in these comments are delusional to think that it's normal to price a DLC at 90% of the cost of the game, and these are the same people that are broke and not even buying this DLC for SURE! What they should do is price it at what is fair for a new map and new assets, something like $10 MAX, not a dime more. They gave us Styx with new assets and an entirely new map, and didn't charge $30 then, so what gives? My guess, they need money, the well is drying up, and this is the only way they've thought of to obtain it. They could easily do new space suits and graphics for the suits in a cosmetic store, but we'll see, when only 5% of the user base purchases this DLC, we'll see if they change the price, if they don't and make an excuse, they're for sure going broke, if they do, then that'll show they actually care about their player bases' opinions.
