Seasmoke: hey you look like my old rider Vermithor: hey man, you have balls, I like you Silverwing: you are lazy, drunk and have no future but I can change you
Silverwing is know to be a relatively "gentle" she-dragon. Look how she took care not to hurt ulf. I wonder why Rhaenery called upon Vermithor first. Silverwing would have been a safer first try. Less likely to murder everyone.
@@cyrilmeynier5688 I think it's because Vermithor and Silverwing are some kind of lovers, and Vermithor guards the entrance to the cave where Silverwing sits. Something like "get through me first to get to my wife and the dragon eggs." When Ulf appeared before her, it meant he got past Vermithor. Just my little thoughts.
Hugh's mother was not the bastard daughter of Jaeherys. She was his and Queen Alysanne's legitimate daughter, Saera Targaryen. Jaeherys disowned her for her promiscuous ways and she became a madam of a brothel in Lys.
Thank you for understanding that Daemon picked up on what Oscar was doing: let the kid be the strong lord, follow his lead, & he gets his army. Too many people just thought Oscar was "gagging" Daemon. Lol
Hugh's mother is Saera Targaryen, King Jaehrys' wayward daughter who he sent to Oldtown to become a septa. She later run away in exile to Lys in Essos where she became a prostitute in a pleasure house (as Hugh points out) which is where she conceived Hugh.
Vermithor's nickname "The Bronze fury" is particularly relevant when you consider Hugh is a blacksmith and works with metal (including Bronze). Silverwing and Vermithor have a longstanding relationship - Vermithor belonged to Jaehaerys I (the King in the first episode and grandsire of Viserys and Rhaenys) and Silverwing bonded to his wife Queen Alysanne. The two dragons preferred sleeping closely together and Silverwing is noted for coiling around Vermithor. The two became riderless after the King and Queens death, until now. Given the relationship the dragons have, Silverwing may have immediately bonded with Ulf as a responce to Vermithor having recently bonded with Hugh. You know Syrax was saying shit to Vhaegar at the end 🤣🤣🤣
Hugh and Ulf are Jahaerys and Alysanne's grandchildren; Vermithor and Silverwing were Jahaerys and Alysanne's dragons; This helps to understand the bound between them
20:45 Hugh was possibly referring to the Whore Princess Seara when he mentioned her mother, she as one of King Jaehaerys' daughters, She was not a bastard, she was a legitimate daughter of the King.
Was going to say the same thing. Jaeherys didn't have any bastards. he and Alysanne had 11 kids themselves. And his daughters were.... wild. Especially Saera.
28:54 Silverwing is considered the friendliest dragon! can you imagine she was almost 100 years when Ulf claimed her and there wasn’t even a scratch on her body?!!
I absolutely loved what they have done with Hugh this season. His scenes scattered throughout the season have been some of my favourite (very much with the help of Kat's amazing performance and fantastic dialogue too) Culminating in this amazing episode for him. Im not a book reader so i dont know his future, but I'm incredibly excited to see where his character goes, they've baked in his personality and deeper flaws so well. One of my favourite parts of this season for sure.
It really seems like the dragons care a lot about direct relations of their previous riders. Seasmoke chose Laenor's brother, Vermithor chose Jaehaerys' grandson, silverwing chose Alysanne's grandson.
Jace is highborn too on both sides. The problem is he’s a bastard, but a highborn one on both sides. He’s also half Targaryen just like Alicents kids. They’re half only too.
You're totally right that handing off control of very large dragons to people you can't necessarily trust is a questionable move. I am 100% rhaenyra and team black, but new / random dragon riders is a bad call. At this point we all just ride with our team's car until the train tilts completely off the rails...
I have watched many reaction videos since this episode aired, and you're the first person I've heard who mentioned Rhaena's responsibility to Rhaenyra's three babies.
It is much more important that the show hand her a dragon (that should not live anywhere near the Vale according to that pesky thing called lore), don't you know?
What I wondered about Rhaena - is nobody gonna start looking for her? She left the Eyrie with the others and just disappeared. Are the others just shrugging it off and keep going?
By the info Hugh gave us is highly believe his mother was Saera Targaryen a trueborn daughter of King Jaehaerys I Targaryen and Queen Alysanne Targaryen
Maybe but that is not who Jace was in source material. In book it was Jace who was ardent supporter of bastards and Rhaenyra was one who was distrustful and looked down upon them, even insulting one of them.
@@DANNYYII Of course it is - but that is not whom he was. He wa smy favourite character in book and they distorted him needlesly. They could still keep this line as Rhaenyra's. Why change attitude of TWO characters except of villinizing once again another male character????
@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518Because the show writers have to keep up the pristine image of “Saint Rhaenyra” of course😂. That’s also likely the reason they’re doing with Nettles’ character and storyline.
@@justmando9488 I understand idea of makig her more sympathetic, since book is chronicle, but they don't have to do this by demonizing male characters. I am on Rhaneyra side but she was flawed character in book, and if they want use argument 'it was biased narration', there are better way to do this then flipping her flaws on her son or eeven Daemon - whom I don't like, but who definitely was not that crazy in book.
And back in Volantis, a now elderly but still likely cunning and attractive Princess Saera would be laughing harder than she had in decades at the irony.
@@DANNYYII She would be around Princess Rhaenys' age around this time if still alive and the year of her death has not been confirmed yet so not necessarily. For all we know she is still in Volantis. And Hugh said he left her, not the other way around so given he was in King's Landing and had only blacksmithing levels of weath and contacts, its not like he would get news from the inner sanctum behind the Black Walls of Volantis often to hear news of his mother and whether or not she lives still.
Hugh's mother wasn't a Targaryen bastard, she was princess Saera, the legitimate daughter of king Jaherys and queen Alysanne. She was always "wayward", and when king Jaherys caught her in bed with _three_ men, it was too much. He killed one of them in a duel, sent the other two to the The Wall, and sent Saera to Oldtown to become a septa. However Saera escaped from the Sept, made her way to the harbour, and bought passage to Essos with sex. She ended up working in a Lysene pleasure house, commanding top rates because, as Hugh said, men would pay highly to spend the night with a Targaryan princess. Eventually she moved to Volantis and became the madam of a high-class pleasure house. She had three sons, and in the book, all three showed up at the Great Council organised by Jaherys to decide the succession (the one where Rhaenys was passed over in favour of Viserys) in order to stake a claim. They got nowhere. The show has kinda split from the book here, because in the book Hugh's parentage is completely unknown, and he lives on Dragonstone, not in King's Landing. Of course it's possible that Saera had other boys that aren't recorded or that they've just decided to reassign Hugh to be one of the three known ones, since they can be pretty much deleted from the Great Council story without changing much.
@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 I READ that they HAVE already started filming! Either way, there will be at least 3 seasons! Details don't really matter! 👱♀👱♀👗👗👠👠❤❤
@@shanialover Your source? Yes, there will be season 3, but this detail is pretty significant because if they lerady started filming, there would be less tim eof waiting.
@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 The fact that there would be less wait time is exactly what was stated as the reason they have already started filming for Season 3! They were aware of how people were disappointed about the duration between Season 1 and 2 so they made the decision that since they changed Season 2 to only 8 episodes there would be even more disappointment so they figured an early start of filming would shorten the wait time. The source material even stated that Season 3 MIGHT even start in early 2025! So I guess that when an announcement is made or the Season 3 actually starts will let us know if my source material was right 🙏🙏 or wrong 😉😉👱♀👱♀👗👗👠👠❤❤
But that is not whom he was in book. In book it was all Jacaerys doing, he was ardent supporter of bastards and welcomed Addam with open arms, while Rhaenyra was the one who looked down upon them and distrusted them. Maybe it was wrong decision for him to make, but they still should keep it in show because that was what he was - someone who was open minded, maybe bit naive, but definitely compassione towards bastard because of living whole life with rumors over him, whereas Rhaenyra remained cold and distant even when seh herself had bastard children (or not - in book it was ambigous wheter Velaryon boys are Laenor's; but rumors were there and Jacaerys was able to view actual bastrds as equal to himslef, whereas Rhaenyra did not).
@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 I gave up on book accuracy on season 1, I take the series entirely as it's own thing, HBO simply doesn't know how to adapt this series and honor George R.R. Martin.
@@marcusanark2541 But it is still disappointing. Jacaerys was such great character in book, they restricted his arc in show and now they villinized him. They could still made change in plot by adding new things and leave personality of characters intact.
@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 Yes I agree, they tried to make him look bad but from the way things are on the show he's definitely right, I wonder if they will actually change the results as well.
I completely agree with you on the scene with Oscar and Daemon, and what it shows about Daemon. It was by far my favourite scene this episode, and Oscar really stole the show. It was deftly done, balancing humility and acknowledgement of his youth with a show of strength - far, far more effective that the sort of immature strength that we see Daemon wave around like a stick. To Daemon's credit, he did realise that he would need to follow Oscar's lead to gain the Riverlords. It was a low bar, but he did clear it; ✨growth✨ Daemon conceives of himself as the brother better suited for the crown, but the truth is that Viserys and Daemon occupy opposite ends of a spectrum, where a good ruler should be somewhere in between those two extremes.
@@DukeJimbob True - among fishes and amphibians alike. 😅 Though on my defense, there is no known reptile species except some avian dinosuars (also known as birds 😉) where males do that 😅 Among crocodiles, lizards, snakes and one species of tortoise, it is always female who guards. In some species male accompanies female, but to my knowledge, there is no known instance on sole male care in reptiles that are not dinosaurs. Of course there might exist - or could exist in past - species that does that and we don't know yet. 😉
In book Alyn (who was only 14, not ~30) wasn't content at all with being only "salt and sea" and tried to claim his own dragon. He chose Sheepstealer 🐲🐑 but Sheepstealer engulfed him in flames 🔥 and after Addam quenched his brother with cloak, Alyn decided not to try ever again with any dragon.
Yeah, but Alyn in the show is a bit more...staid than his book characterization. I get what they're going for now, but at first I felt like they should have flipped the casting for Addam and Alyn.
@@saberstrike000 I agree! I also feel bit little distateful they chose so "old" actor for Alyn given whom he will marry in future... 😖 Especially that in book one of reasons she married him was because he was the same age as her... and now he seems some 15 years older (maybe 10, if we gonna pretend he is around 25).
@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 I agree. I looked it up and Abubakar Salim is 31 and honestly, I think its the shaved head and permanent scowl as he does not look nearly as old in everything else. Clinton Liberty IS 25 and certainly radiates enough "little brother energy" to read as younger. Crazily, Bethany Antonia is twenty SIX, so hopefully she'll read as closer in age in the 3-4 it'll take to film season 4. Regardless, I feel that both Salim and Liberty LOOK like they're Corlis' sons and are doing a fine job.
@@saberstrike000 I love Clinton/Addam performence! 💓💓💓💓 But Alyn has nothing to do with himself except his name. Pity, as I was actually looking fowards to Jacaerys, Baela and their two teenage uncles to bond as they did in book... but now when they made Jacaerys into elitist and Alyn is twice their age, this will never have the right dynamic 😒
20:46 : Hugh's mother is not a bastard daughter. She wass called Saera Targaryen , she was a legitimate princess, but she went into some trouble... She slept around with squires , and incited other girls of the court to do the same... And even tried to steal a dragon. She was strip of her titles ad exiled.
Hugh's mother is not a bastard but Princess Saera Targaryen, King Jaehaerys' trueborn daughter. She was disowned by Jaehaerys after a REALLY BIG scandal. She was sent to Oldtown to become a septa but she escaped to Essos where she became a brothel madam (similar to Aemond's woman Sylvi). Hugh is a bastard born to her. So, he's basically Jaehaerys' grandson via his most hated daughter. And now the rider of his dragon Vermithor 🤣
🏆 "This was EPIC " Yes, this was an *EPIC* reaction. 🤩👍👍👍 I swear to you, this reactor misses _NOTHING_ . Everyone else hates Daemon's vision quest in Harrenhal. SoFie loves it, because it is a radical, critical character arc for one of the loosest cannons in GoT. She's right. The rest, the _lesser_ reactors (and audience members), are addicted to John Wick-ian revenge fantasies and subsequent unending gratuitous violence. "More battles!" "More dragon air-to-air combat!" "Come on! Show us armies of cinder and gore and explosive blasts of fire and cries of agony!!!" "What's with all this boring _TALKING_ ? The only _good_ dialog is arguments and threats, which then lead to SUFFERING, DEATH, MURDER, CRUELTY more more more! Please, I'm almost out of dopamine here!" "Won't somebody stop the stupid dreams and just say, _DRACARYS_ ?!" Pffft. Daemon doesn't need more violence, that's already his strength. He needed a down to earth humility check. "BOE-RING" Daemon finally cried in sympathy with his brother as King Viserys mourned the uber-tragic, gut wrenching loss of his wife. "I wasn't there for you, but I'm here now." [gasp] Could Daemon be...dare we utter the word... _maturing_ ? Remember, Rhaenyra sent one of her council members to find Daemon and discern his motives. Is he raising an army for himself, or for _his_ _QUEEN_ ?!? Daemon got dressed down by the Minnow of house Tully. In front of the furious River Lords. And he had to take it. By executing the dooshbag who committed uncounted atrocities carrying _Rhaenyras_ banner, Daemon de facto admitted guilt, and contrition. Wait, what?!? Daemon admitting a mistake, even under duress? Say it ain't so. That slippery little fishy caught a dragon in his own net. What's Daemon going to say when Rhaenyra's emissary shows up? Does he want the crown, or has he learned his lesson? Is Daemon going to die in the godswood as Alys predicted? Or was it a metaphor for the death of his dream of sitting on the Iron Throne, and happened when he lopped off said doosh's head? SoFie nailed every angle of Jacaerys' angst with his mother, his bastard heritage, and the softness of his claim if Rhaenyra dies. And the character of the three new bastard dragon lords. Are they worthy of knighthood? Will they prove themselves in combat? Are they loyal? What of their families? Battles might be spectacular, but they are not what GoT/HotD is about. Butters told us. It's about non sequitur weiner shots. (Thank Aemond!)
There is an excellent series on dragon genetics from Preston Jacob's. His theory is dragon is an X gene thing. To ride you need one, to hatch you need 2. So for a Male it would be maternal. But in old Valyria Valyrians and Targaryens inter married for millenia. I'm wondering of dragons seek like personalities and Silver Wing is also inclined to seek safety.
This gives Team Black no less than seven adult dragons with riders. Syrax - Rhaenyra Targaryen Caraxes - Daemon Targaryen Verma- Jacaerys Valarion Moondancer - Baela Targaryen Seasmoke - Adam of Hull Silverwing - Ulf White Vermithor - Hugh Hammer Then we have Rhaena chasing what seems to be, but I really hope is not, Sheepstealer in The Vale. I'm gonna be highly disappointed of that's Sheepstealer.
i dont understand why we need whole season of realization of Daemon not wanting the crow when he already did it in s1 when he crowned Rhaenra and called her My Queen
THIS is who true Jacaerys, hero of Dance of the Dragons, open minded and defiant to tradition ❤🔥❤🔥❤🔥, not elitist with superiority complex they made him 😒: "Even after the end of the right of the first night, certain Targaryens continued to dally with the daughters of innkeeps and the wives of fishermen, so seeds and the sons of seeds were plentiful on Dragonstone. It was to them that Prince Jacaerys turned, at the urging of his fool, vowing that any man who could master a dragon would be granted lands and riches and dubbed a knight. His sons would be ennobled, his daughters wed to lords, and he himself would have the honor of fighting beside the Prince of Dragonstone [Jacaerys's title] against the pretender Aegon II Targaryen and his treasonous supporters. (...) Not long after Addam of Hull had proved himself by flying Seasmoke, Lord Corlys went so far as to petition Queen Rhaenyra to remove the taint of bastardy from him and his brother. When Prince Jacaerys added his voice to the request, the queen complied. " (G. R. R. Martin, "Fire & Blood")
Aha, sure. And what did this brilliant plan lead to? Second Tumbleton anyone? Storming of the Dragonpit as a direct consequence? The result of the Dance as a whole? No spoilers here, but book readers know perfectly well what I am talking about. Prince Jacaerys should have considered the consequences of giving nuclear weapons to vagrants and drunkards a bit more thoroughly.
@@hedinsee6830 I am not saying it was perfect plan, but Jace couldn't predict future and his intention was noble and they actually helped gain back King's Landing. I explained it more in my other comments - my point is they distorted Jace character here by making him looked down upon low born. That is not what happenend in book. You are completely missing point of my comment - Jacaerys was bit naive (or maye he thought he would be able to solve problem - and I believe he would be, as he was charysmatic and charming and people were listenning to him), but he was and compassionate boy who respected lowborns and was their ardent supporter, not elitist they made him in show. That was Rhaenyra's trait. They should keep it in show. (And Storming of dragonpit was result of that some very much loved woman fell from window, not result of lowborn claiming dragons.)
@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 Yes, they changed Jace. However, they made him smarter in the process. He is not an elitist, he is a realist. In the show he understands perfectly well that by giving dragons to commoners not only Rhaenyra's succession is critically endangered, but the Iron Throne as an institution is thrown into jeopardy. And he is completely right in the show. The ironic thing is, with no dragonseeds the result of the Dance would likely have been vastly more favourable to the Targaryen dynasty as a whole even if Rhaenyra would likely have lost quickly. So yes, Jace is different in the show, but I disagree with him being an elitist as you call him. And he was by no means a fluffy bunny in the book anyway. The storming of the Dragonpit was the result of the terror brought about by the Rook's Rest and, most of all, Tumbleton. The sparks that led to the storming itself were just that, a pretense to light the kindling.
@@hedinsee6830 They could made him realist without calling other people 'monglers'. They in practice made him hypocritical also - given from genetic point of view he is 'mongrel' too. I am not saying he was 'fluffy and bunny' (that was Aenys), but he was much more respectful towards smallfolk and bastrds than his mother was.
@@hedinsee6830 Rook's Rest and Tumbleton might cause mood changes but it was their beloved Princess' death that was direc cause. Also I disagree that giving dragons to commoners was bad decision in itself - they needed more dragons. The issue was not with giving dragons to others, but with fact Rhaenyra was unabe to keep their support. There should be done more to ensure their loyalty.
I think realm would still fight for Jace if Rhaenyra died - he had enough charisma and charm to secure multiple allies for his mother and people can put behind rumors about paternity as long as leader is competent enough. Points he made about risks of giving dragons to lowbornw ere correct - but that is not whom he was in source material. Book Jace would NEVER call the 'mongrels', he trusted them and respected them. They did with him similar things what they did with Daemon giving him negative traits they didn't have in book and at the same time they toned down much of Rhaenyra's superiority complex. They once again villinize their male character and make female character sympathetic when source material states opposite. I am truly irritated by this - I am on Rhaenyra side but she was flawed person and Jacaerys was not elitist 😒
They can’t allow the people to run out because they be running into the castle, and the dragon would want to follow its food and it would destroy the castle. So there is no way they could leave the opening into the castle open.
You are saying that Daemon is out of his league in terms of being king. I agree that he shouldn't be king, nor do I think he actually wants it. We saw with Robert Baratheon that some warriors cannot be king, but with that said, if he is out of his league, what is Rhaneyra? She has been useless up until this episode when she got some dragon riders, and even then, at the consequence of her son and the deaths of several bastards.
SOOOOOOOOO READ THIS PLESEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE So we dont like Hugh i hate that i know the truth abought Hugh and Ulf all that they are going to do to us i am not going to spoil you i love your reactions but and i hate to see how aru you loving Hugh and Ulf And obought the next episode this is not spoiler but i think we all are going to cryyyy our ass out if is going to happen what i think its going to happen.
@@danielleeskelton i mean i dont want to spoil but i wanted to say that i hate to see how everyone loves Hugh but i understand because they dont know him yet😂
I think it is not a good idea to give ordenary people superhuman strength who previously had none. It is even less good to give power to people who have suffered before. The danger is much greater that they will now take what they want and think that they are entitled to it now. Do we really think that Hugh is honorable? Previous episode has shown that he is not. He knocked down a man to get his food instead of going to the beach himself. And here, too, he is driven by the desire to gain power, even if his wife did not wishes for it. And did he really save the woman's life here or just wanted to prevent the dragon from bonding with her? Because the dragon stood relatively calmly opposite the woman, he did not attack her. He then drew attention to himself. Also interrupted a possible bonding moment. Hugh has selfish ambitions. His goal is first and foremost to give his wife and himself a better life and feels more committed to this than Rhaenyra and the realm. In contrast to this is Addam, who immediately got down on his knees and swore allegiance to Rhaenyra and the realm and immediately turned his back on his old life. I think Ulf had it so easy with Silverwing because he took on the smell of Silverwing's children from kicking in the eggs. She accepted him more as one of her children. And of course it was intentional to fly from Ulf over King's Landing. Who gave Ulf the saddle for Silverwing? It had to be on it first. Ammond was lured to see the superiority of Rhaenyra. Their goal is still to end everything without bloodshed. This was intimidation in the hope that the other side would give up.
I do not like what they did with Jacaerys because this is NOT who he was in book - yes, he makes some good points to Rhaenyra in this episode but that is NOT whom he was. Book Jacaerys was complete opposite, he was ALL for bastards on dragons, it was Rhaenyra who was distrustful, not him! It was Rhaenyra who insulted one girl who tried to claim dragon because of her lowborn heritage, not Jacarys. Rhaenyra did not participate at all in Dragonseeds thing, it was all Jacaerys! He also welcomed Alyn and Addam into family with open arms 💗, not with distrust on face. Jacaerys's bastardy in book was more ambigous (Velaryons were white and Laenor's mother had dark hair), but rumors were present nonetheless, Greens were taunting him and I always thought Jacaerys was so supportive of other bastards to show that it is ability and graceful character that makes someone worthy, not paternity. Book Jace wanted to tell world: "Maybe I am bastard, maybe I am not - and so what? I will show you strength of actual bastards and you all will be sorry you ever underestimated both me and them!!! Dragons are gods and do not care, why do you people care?!" 🐲❤🔥❤🔥❤🔥 I wanted to see THAT Jacaerys, that noble, brave and open minded Prince who is unapologetic about his look 🧑🏻 and gonna make the best of it, not is ashamed of this. 😔😔💔💔
Jace is clearly struggling with his own parentage. I can't tell how much of his elitism rn is a permanent shift in his character from the book vs him working through his issues by projecting them into the seeds until he sorts himself out.
@@TartarusIvy It's possible he will sort things out and I hope he will have some bonding with Addam about their experience, but I still think they already went far away. It would be perfectly natural for him to have doubts about himself, yet book is clear that he definitely was not projecting this on Dragonseeds. To me this looks as toning down Rhaenyra's flaws all over again and using male character as scapegoat.
