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Threading away from the chuck non-inverting tool? Great Seal Bug Membrane Strainer pt 2 

Machining and Microwaves
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Cutting threads away from the chuck with the lathe in reverse and the tool on the back side of the part means you don't have to invert the tool. So much less stressful than threading towards the chuck. I cut almost all single point threads this way now, after watching Joe Pieczynski's video a few years back, although Joe inverted his cutter. Run it behind the workpiece and you don't need to invert it.
This thread is part of a membrane stretcher for my replica of The Great Seal Bug for BBC2 TV's "The Secret Genius of Modern Life" with Prof Hannah Fry.
Thin copper foil has crystal grains that allow it to be work-hardened by stretching. This mechanism strains metal membranes almost to breaking point . These metal diaphragms are for use in my reproduction of the Great Seal Bug for BBC2 TV with Prof Hannah Fry in The Secret Genius of Modern Life.
Copper has a Young's modulus of around 130 GPa, so a 140 mm circumference ring needs something like 0.5 Nm or 0.6 foot-pounds of torque on the nut to stretch 10 um foil the right amount. That's "not a lot", so we should be good to go IF I don't keep rupturing the foils.
Tension in the foil is more than 3 kN, which is ONE H*CK OF A LOT. See detailed notes at the end of this description.
AIMEE my Artificially Intelligent Machining and Engineering Expert system offers "helpful" advice as usual.
Links to tools and things. For the Amazon items, I get a tiny affiliate commission from each sale, it doesn't affect the price you pay and it helps me make more videos! First link to each item is Amazon.com, second (if there is one) is for UK/DE and some other countries if the same item is available on those sites.
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Edge Technology lathe chuck spider set amzn.to/3x0t5Rh
Notes about the mechanical advantage and my guesses at the torque
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Using a polished and rounded ring seems to work well, without any undue frictional effects. with a circumference around 140 mm and a thickness of 10 um, the CSA is 0.14 * 1e-5 or 1.4e-6 m^2. A Young's modulus of 130 GPa at 2% elastic strain in that cross-sectional area needs a stress of 1.3e11*1.4e-6*0.02 or 3.6 kN. Pushing the membrane to achieve a total of 5% strain with a 30mm diameter ring and a 44 mm diameter clamp means the sloping faces need to extend by 44*0.05/2 or 1.1 mm.
As the horizontal distance between clamp and ring is around 7mm, the hypotenuse will be 8.1 mm, the vertical distance moved by the ring will be around 4.2 mm and the angle of the slope will be around 31 degrees. It will actually be lower and steeper than that because of the curved face of the top clamp, so more like 3 mm and 40 degrees.
That's six turns of the screw at 0.5mm pitch. The force on the piston is roughly the tension times the sine of the slope, so about 2.3 kN. The mechanical advantage of the screw is about 112, less a lot for friction, so I need to apply a tangential force of maybe 50 N at 9mm radius, so 0.45 nM or 0.6 foot-pounds, which is less than that needed to tighten an N coaxial connector.
Chapters:
00:00 Here we go
06:16 Removing the ring
14:56 Body works
18:10 Knurling the Knob
23:39 External thread
27:43 Smoothing the Transition

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@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
I've added some technical details about how I did the calculations of the tension in the foil and the required torque on the knurled screw. It's probably wrong, but it does seem to give an answer that's at least in the same ballpark (whatever a "ballpark" is when it's at home, I'm not really up to date with my sporting cultural references).
@Taskarnin
@Taskarnin 2 года назад
Machining and Microwaves. Might I recommend rather than use torque as a measure of strain in the foil. You may have better luck putting a dial indicator on the base of the screw. From my brief time in fastener engineering torque is not a good measure of clamp load because there’s so much variation in clamp load (or in this case stretch in the foil) based on how much oil are on the threads, the temperature outside, and the phase of the moon etc… With an indicator set up you could establish a datum offset from the back of your fixture with gauge blocks and then precisely set the location of the plunger based on displacement (and therefore your foil stretch). Great videos! Hopefully this helps.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
@@Taskarnin The tricky part is getting a consistent tension to begin with. There's a systematic error offset caused by initial tension, so you still end up with the problem of knowing where the "zero" position should be to start measurements. Perhaps a load-cell between the brass bar and the body could be used to show the actual tension, but it is also variable with the sine of the angle between the flat and sloping parts of the diaphragm. I'm doing this mostly by feel now, and my percentage success rate is climbing. If I had to do hundreds, I'd definitely go for a much more metrologically-sound solution! I did consider trying an amplifier and loudspeaker with a magnet/pickup coil and set the tension to achieve a specific oscillation frequency. That might be worth a play to see if it's practical as then it should give me a result independent of plunger position, bend angle and initial tension. Endless fun...
@Taskarnin
@Taskarnin 2 года назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves good stuff. Sounds like you’ll get it. Looking forward to the next video! Perhaps taping the foil to some construction paper could help keep it flat while you punch the holes. May make the zero more consistent. Alas I’m sure you’ve put more thought into this than I have. I can’t wait to see you show me up.
@jongmassey
@jongmassey 2 года назад
Somewhere inside the boundary rope, I think. Which is to say you haven't hit this one for six, oh wait I think I'm confused now
@jeremyindenver
@jeremyindenver 2 года назад
Keep up the great work! I don't fully understand what anything you're making is or does, but I thoroughly enjoyed watching you make them!
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
I have no idea what I'm doing, but enjoyed doing it, so you are in good company!
@thecatofnineswords
@thecatofnineswords 2 года назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves You look like you know what you're doing and that's good enough for anyone 😁
@johnydl
@johnydl 2 года назад
Still convinced it's going to be a very elaborate coffee filter for James over at Clough42
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
Aaaaagh! Rumbled! My secret is out.....
@notcrediblesolipsism3851
@notcrediblesolipsism3851 2 года назад
I think this might be my favourite machining channel.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
Thanks for being part of my most excellent audience! I wish I could make videos more regularly, but Real Life keeps interrupting my train of thought with things like "work" and "sleep" and "household chores". Also I have all these Ideas swilling around in my head that need attention.
@notcrediblesolipsism3851
@notcrediblesolipsism3851 2 года назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves Even though I studied physics at university I can still barely comprehend what you're doing most of the time. You seem to just move casually between sophisticated theory and some sweet machining. I should be jealous!
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
@@notcrediblesolipsism3851 I'm just old, so I've learned a whole pile of stuff over the decades. When the grandchildren were doing their high-school A levels (pre-university qualifications at age 18 for folks not up to speed with the UK education system) they were always complaining about how us Old People had it so easy, not having to study. I thought "I'll show 'em" and registered for a degree in astrophysics, cosmology, quantum mechanics and general Physics with a nice dose of maths. That was enormous fun. Then they went to Uni and the same thing started, how us Old People didn't have all the pain they had, having to study and all that. I registered for a Masters, doing data networking and cybersecurity, seeing as The Boss said he'd pay the course fees and let me have time off to study. Nice Boss. Back in the 70s, I studied electronic engineering at Uni, then messed about with computers instead of real work for the next 40 years. I just like learning things. I'm a pretty decent willow basketmaker, also mildly competent as a dressmaker, carpenter, woodturner, radio engineer, programmer, electronics tech, maths, physics and chemistry nerd. I'm total rubbish at just about everything else, especially TIG welding, making videos, tidying my lab/woodshop/machine shop/barn and remembering birthdays.
@robandsharonseddon-smith5216
Must have hurt your Yorkshire soul to use really brass bar! Great series and very enjoyable to watch. Thank you
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves Год назад
I'm from Lincolnshire, where we have a flexible attitude to the value of materials!
@TheTsunamijuan
@TheTsunamijuan 2 года назад
I am very much looking forward to part 3, and finding out how you solved your problems. I must say since the first video, and seeing the problems with wrinkles and crumpling. It made me think that a possible design for this, might of been like circular crimping tools. Similar to those for Hydraulic lines and AN lines on equipment. A number of smaller leafs like sections. That both have a taper and meet a taper that drives against the leaves. Causing them to either expand or contract. It also made me think it might be something that a 3d printed assembly could do. As the forces in question here are quite low. The majority of engineering grade PLA's available out there, are very close to aluminum in material hardness too. Food for thought, thanks for the awesome content!
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
If I had any control over the detailed design of the finished objects, I would use a radically different approach. I'm sure there are better ways to do the stretching, but this is what I came up with under extreme time pressure. I wondered about using something with rubbery rings that grab the foil form both sides, then somehow expand the rings, but the forces are surprising when the material has a Young's modulus not much less than steel, and the tension in the foil while it's stretching is over a quarter of a ton if my numbers are to be believed.
@AlsoDave
@AlsoDave 2 года назад
Seems a lot of work to make a fixture to tear copper foil, you could just tear it by hand in seconds instead
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
Much more efficient!
@Andrew_Fernie
@Andrew_Fernie 2 года назад
pmsl !
@jamesdavis8021
@jamesdavis8021 Год назад
I have been using the Joe Pie method, since running across his video.There is a wealth of machining tips and tricks on his channel
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves Год назад
It's important to consider the helix angle and clearances if you use the technique, but for fine threads, especially for internal blind holes, it's a useful technique. Also for threads up to an external shoulder where there's a limited gutter. Joe's fixturing vids are my favourites
@jamesdavis8021
@jamesdavis8021 Год назад
I made my own version of his follower rest for extended small diameter threading which,has some unique features. The helix angle consideration is no less important when threading in the conventional manner.Fortunately,we have a wide selection of carbide inserts available at reasonable prices. I enjoy watching your videos.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves Год назад
@@jamesdavis8021 That little follower rest is neat, I made one from aluminium plate and used a piece of Tufnol for the follower. I tried PEEK as well, but Tufnol worked fine on some long M5 threaded items. Not worked out if it's possible to do something similar for cutting a right hand thread away from the chuck.
@9h1gb
@9h1gb 2 года назад
Well done Neil. Alway a pleasure watching the videos of your projects.
@puits-de-science
@puits-de-science Год назад
What a show !
@jimsvideos7201
@jimsvideos7201 2 года назад
Fascinating! Once you're done with that tool it'd make a lovely conversation piece, at least among the people with whom I'd care to associate.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
I have all sorts of weird mechanisms that are left over from experiments. I'm trying to remember to add a label or reference number to each one so I can remember what it was for. I could host quiz nights where the assembled multitude had to guess the function of each artefact....
@markRTFGuns
@markRTFGuns 2 года назад
Tell dido hello from America ! Alabama at that. Lol. Great videos sir ! Thank you.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
I showed this comment to Dido. Her response was to lick my hand, tilt her head and stare into my eyes with the clear message "Do I get a snack now?". She had a piece of air-dried duck meat and looked very happy with the outcome.
@HexenzirkelZuluhed
@HexenzirkelZuluhed 2 года назад
I'm feeling a third part upcoming, Looking forward to it,
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
Might be some time, but it will be a key element in Project Swordfish when I can talk about it.
@AlessioSangalli
@AlessioSangalli 2 года назад
Thank you for the video, I couldn't wait after part 1.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
Doesn't answer many questions, but it was an interesting journey. Back to less esoteric matters in the next video. I just need to learn how to make seriously good motion graphics with Manim now. Hello steep learning curve....
@AlessioSangalli
@AlessioSangalli 2 года назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves so you decided for that tool. I'll look into it too as it seems very interesting. But the heart is still with POV-Ray
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
@@AlessioSangalli I can see a use for POV-Ray and Blender for high quality 3D quasi-realistic visualisations, but I think Manim is going to work well for graphs and maths/physics equation animations and programmatically-generated electromagnetic field and wave visualisations.
@AlessioSangalli
@AlessioSangalli 2 года назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves yeah absolutely it's a fair assessment
@Dumascain
@Dumascain 2 года назад
Easiest way I have found to deal with tiny radii on endmills is to use a dovetail cutter. Drop it down enough to take about .005" off the shoulder with appx .030" undercut.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
That's a neat trick. I got offended by the hacksaw cut, so I held the body in a machinists vice which was in the mill vice at 45 degrees and ran a 1/16" slitting saw along the inside of the angle. Looks perfect now!
@airtothewick
@airtothewick Год назад
love the magnetic part standoffs also never seen that style of small hole deburr tool before
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves Год назад
That little cranked countersink deburring tool is part of a Noga mini deburring kit. They do larger versions too
@edgeeffect
@edgeeffect 2 года назад
I'm jealous of your non requirement for mirror, camera or universal neck joint... using a DTI on my tiny lathe, I often need all 3. Just realised the parallel between Aimee in your videos and "my cat" on DiodeGoneWild.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
Mini-drone with a VR headset. It could fly round the spindle watching the DTI. Dan's cat does indeed fill the classical Greek theatre role of the Chorus, and indeed that role performed by the cat and AIMEE would be understood by Aeschylus and Sophocles, although Oedipus Rex, this ain't.....
@edgeeffect
@edgeeffect 2 года назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves that's a good thing isn't it? As far as I remember Oedipus Rex doesn't end well.
@jamieclarke321
@jamieclarke321 Год назад
Dijsktra algorithm would give an efficient way to visit all 10 holes with the minimum travel
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves Год назад
Good thought, thanks. It's sort of a symmetric Travelling Salesman problem
@cdrive5757
@cdrive5757 Год назад
The most difficult part of watching this was deciding where to save the link. My "Electronics" directory or my "Machine Shop" directory. I decided that it was your machine shop work that attracted me to subscribe in the first place. So I created a sub-folder devoted to you alone. After watching this I've come to the conclusion that in a perfect world ALL metals, (regardless of their strengths) would machine like BRASS! Damn, it machines sooooo sweet!!😉😋 Wakodahatchee Chris
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves Год назад
I'll be mixing in some more electronics and microwave engineering and a little bit of maths visualisation, 3D printing and some software stuff just to confuse the RU-vid algorithm, but there will always be some machining or fabrication content in almost all of my vids. I wish I could release the videos covering Project Swordfish, but that has to wait until after the TV program is broadcast. Another top secret video is in prep, that one involves me flying to the USA to get some parts made and mated up with parts I've machined. Huge fun.
@smbrown
@smbrown 2 года назад
YT just recently recommended your channel, I’m liking what I see. Really appreciate your explanations of what you’re doing. Like/subscribe :)
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
I'm a total beginner at this stuff, stumbling around and trying to convince myself that I'm not totally useless. So long as everyone bears in mind that I have no idea what I'm doing, but have no fear of failure so will try almost anything, then we'll get along famously!
@robertvierra9917
@robertvierra9917 Год назад
I think the most amazing aspect of modern machining is the availability of so many custom carbide cutters. could you imagine what it would take to make them out of machine steel, and then the constant up keep and sharpening?
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves Год назад
I've often ground up my own HSS and carbide tooling but for tiny full-form threading cutters, it's hard work! A lot of home-shop machinists prefer to stick with ground HSS as they can get better finishes on smaller machines, although modern high-rake lapped inserts are pretty much just as good on my old cast iron Colchester 1800
@isettech
@isettech Год назад
A tightened membrane is used for a drum head for the tuning and resonance for the note it is tuned. Microphones on the other hand are designed to move freely without the tight tuned resonance. Think of the surround on the rim of a loudspeaker. If you cut concentric grooves in a blank with the lathe, mounted the diaphragm, then used a ball stylus to trace the grooves and emboss them into the perimeter of the copper diaphragm, the result would be much better for wide band audio response. If you are not afraid to use modern materials, use a mylar diaphragm from good audio headphones with a dome shape. Mount your copper disc inside the dome and mount that for your capacitor diaphragm element. A metal cat whisker can be used to ground the disk to complete the resonant circuit.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves Год назад
I thought all condenser microphones used stressed membranes with the first resonant mode well above the audio range? The B&K 4134 "half inch" condenser mic has a 9mm diameter diaphragm 5 um thick and it's held in tension of 3162 N/m. It has a 20.77 um gap and a backplate of similar size to the one in this Bug. Solving the Navier-Stokes equations isn't exactly simple, but they do an analytic and numeric calculation of the amplitude and phase response. 3162 N/m equates to a radial tension of around 14 N on that tiny diaphragm. The tensile strength of a thin Mylar film at 110% elongation is around 200 MPa, so for a 5um film I think that puts it well into the elastic region. See www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3257755/#s6title for details of the equations adn methods and other sections of the document for the calculations and history. The diaphragm in these cavity resonators needs to stay within about 5 nanometres of its mean static position to maintain resonance. The peak air movement is about 10 nm peak to peak at 1 kHz and 40 dB SPL. The gap is about 25 micrometres at the best resonance. If the diaphragm gap changes by at much at 10 nm, it would drop off from the resonance peak and the signal would be lost. A simple flat copper diaphragm at 10 um thick shows a first resonant mode at about 400 Hz in a finite-element simulation, and it does drop if you emboss the surface with a bellows-style pattern, but as the moving mass is now smaller, the resonance doesn't drop far and it is smack in the wrong pare of the voice spectrum as a result. The reports say the original diaphragm was made from Nickel foil that was silver plated. Nickel is a terrible conductor at RF as it's ferromagnetic, so the silver layer would need to be more than 5 micrometres and preferably 8-10 to keep the cavity Q factor high enough. Using copper was a bit of a cheat, but I spent $300 on nickel foil before I gave up. Mylar diaphragms were certainly used in the later models around 1955. I guess they used gold sputtering or PVD to coat the film. Issue there is that the metallisation needs to be at least five skin depths at the frequency in use. One skin depth at 950 MHz is 2 micrometres, so you start needing a pretty thick layer to maintain sufficient Q-factor in your microwave cavity. In a normal DC condenser mic, the mylar metallisation can be extremely thin as is only needs to carry audio frequencies and is feeding a very high impedance buffer amplifier. You can't use a thin wire to complete the circuit in an RF cavity as the losses and stray inductance would drop the resonant frequency to perhaps half and the Q factor by a large factor. The cavity needs a loaded Q around 1000 to get decent slope detection. A thin wire behaves like an RF choke at low GHz frequencies.
@isettech
@isettech Год назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves I just went back to the EV Blog series on microphones. EVBlog 602 - introduction to microphones shows the edge designed to allow the diaphragm to move. This is a talk given by a Rhode design engineer. They refer to all microphones use a wobbly bit to detect the air pressure. Maybe this design was a taunt drum design to limit the movement to very small movements to limit the tuning range.Interesting and it makes sense for the RF tuning.
@piter_sk
@piter_sk Год назад
I´ve got some 8mm bar stock, simple part... Turn to length, M8x25RH on one side, M8x25LH on the other.... I got them on CNC, and I´ve encountered two problems in my mind. 1. I don´t want the machine to plunge straight into the stock to turn LH thread, 2. I know the lathe needs at least 1x thread pitch to speed up feed to match speed.... Customer didn´t allow for any thread relief, so I turned RH side normally with OD threading tool and turned threading bar upside down in the turret to do the LH side... I normally cut everything in M3, so clockwise diredtion, as my tools are "upside down", inserts facing back cover panel, not the door..... That´s thinking outside the box, if you got 100 parts to make and you don´t want to manually thread them with a thread die as they needed to be perfect...
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
Lots of interesting ideas about annealing the foils. Looking up annealing temperatures, I think it would need either a sealed argon atmosphere, or be done in a vacuum furnace, otherwise I'm going to end up with an oxide layer. I could probably cut 100x100 mm squares and hang them vertically from clips. Perhaps infra-red elements in my vacuum chamber would work, although measuring the temperature of the foil isn't going to be at all easy. I made a machine to do nitrogen reflow of surface mount printed circuit boards back in 1980, perhaps an Argon version of that, using a replacement paint-stripper heat nozzle and a PT100 temperature sensing element and magnetically-driven fan would work? No idea how to run bearings at those temperatures though, perhaps tungsten rods on ceramic? Can't use permanent rare-earth magnets at those temps. Pickling the foils is a non-starter, so an oxidation-free anneal is vital.
@michaelwarlick4328
@michaelwarlick4328 2 года назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-O_Fo7mfZg7k.html
@AlessioSangalli
@AlessioSangalli 2 года назад
I always try to use prime numbers for bolt patterns if I can.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
Five and seven are very pleasing to my eyes. I have some old manual tables of X/Y settings for all sorts of bolt patterns. My DRO can only do evenly spaced patterns.
@heybabycometobutthead
@heybabycometobutthead 2 года назад
I just read a comment about trying a polished surface on the part that presses the foil, maybe a ball socket where it joins the screw? so it applies pressure more evenly?
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
There's a fair amount of side play as a deliberate design detail to allow the plunger to rock a little. It should sort of take the average of all of the tensions as a result. Perhaps the point on the screw should have been a little more acute than 90 degrees, or should have had a ball inserted there. Interesting.
@rallymax2
@rallymax2 Год назад
Time for an update on how the foil was mounted on the spy bug!
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves Год назад
Indeed! I've been doing a complete reorganisation of the machine shop, stores and welding/grinding/casting areas for the past four weeks and only just got things back up and running. I have a huge backlog of work to clear but then things will be back to something a bit closer to normal
@MuntyScruntFundle
@MuntyScruntFundle 2 года назад
Where do you get your supplies? I have difficulty getting anything exotic from my 'go to' suppliers, and the bigger companies don't want to deal in small quantities.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
For fancy stuff like short-chipping copper alloys, I call up the suppliers and see if they have any bar ends or will do me a special favour. Titanium and decent brass is pretty easy, and the steel specialists will happily do smallish quantities of tool steel or EN24A or leaded mild steel. I get most of my aluminium from digging around for good prices on websites, as it's very hard to get any leverage with anyone for the small amounts I'm using. Stainless is easy enough. Bronze is OK so long as you want hollow bearing extrusions. Small quantities of Meehanite and spheroidal graphite cast iron are just ludicrously expensive. Fancy copper alloys are the hardest. I found a place that will sell me a couple of metres of Tellurium copper and 21 kg bars of Sulphur copper at acceptable prices. Metelec will sell it, but the prices are off the scale. Aalco have done me a few good deals. Smiths Metals are often good for C101 copper and other common stuff. The Sheffield branch are very helpful and they don't overcharge for small orders. Quite a few will only deal with VAT-registered limited companies. I'm seriously considering registering a company and doing a voluntary VAT registration just so I can by from UK and overseas suppliers who refuse to deal with me as a private individual or sole trader. The folks who supply aluminium treatments will only sell to limited companies. Even though I have an explosives precursors and poisons licence, almost nobody will sell me sulphuric or nitric acid unless I'm a limited company. Some suppliers change their tune rapidly when I mention that I have a youtube channel and might smile upon them nicely if they will sell me a few bars of specially shiny metal.
@benyarlett7878
@benyarlett7878 2 года назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves I read a comment earlier about how you had an infrared light from rearing piglets, now I see that you've got an explosives, precursors and poisons license. If I include your ability to speak a language which I recognise as English but don't even remotely understand, I find myself having to ask: Do the talents, skills and experience never end!? Also, I genuinely feel like you could say "I once caught a fish thiiiiis big" and you'd be the first person in history to be telling the truth.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
@@benyarlett7878 One of my minor claims to fame is that I designed and hand-printed the tee shirts for the Eddie Grundy Fan Club, yes THAT Eddie Grundy from the long-running BBC Radio series "The Archers". That's not the claim though. The late John Peel, radio DJ extraordinaire was a member, and wore one of the tee shirts on BBC Top of the Pops in about 1993. I wish I could find a recording of that show. One of the Berkshire pigs I bred won Best of Breed and Best Pig at the Royal Agricultural Show at Kenilworth in the mid-90s. If you've ever seen the Lord Mayor of London's annual Parade, there are two woven willow giants, 16ft tall, at the head of the procession. I made parts of the torsos and heads, based on MRI scans of the heads of two executed criminals in the US. Rare pic of me standing on a chair weaving a "Latvian Ledge" border joint at the waistbands . I have a serious beard in that photo. www.basketmakersco.org/gog-magog I also made part of the 1987 Turner Prize-winning exhibit "George and the Dragon" by Tony Cragg. It included a willow hamper but while it was at the Glasgow Museum of Modern Art (where some of my own basketmaking work has been exhibited), it was attacked by woodworm, so the Arts Council of Great Britain asked me to make a replacement, which I duly did. It was then put on display in the Henry Moore Gallery in Leeds. I took my mum to see it and had the total joy of pointing at the hallowed exhibit and saying "I made that". I also made ten of the collection baskets used in St Paul's Cathedral in the City of London, it's one of the duties of a Yeoman of the Worshipful Company of Basketmakers to provide such things. I also get amusing benefits such as the Freedom of the City of London (freedom to ply my trade as a basketmaker within the City boundaries). I'm rubbish at absolutely everything else though.
@AdityaMehendale
@AdityaMehendale Год назад
Might it help to add an o-ring or similar to the annular gap at 29:54 to prevent it from wibbly-wobbly as you tighten the screw, so that the tension on the diaphragm is uniform along the perimeter? (Also: Lube on the back-side of the copper - powdered-graphite, or MoS2 or similar..)
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves Год назад
O-ring is a good idea. Not sure about how much benefit lube would bring, but it needs to be something that won't burn when the foil is hot from soldering, and will clean away using a solvent rinse, Graphite might work. I should really try some friction tests to see if it is significant, but the next step is to try electroforming a nickel and silver foil and stretching that
@AdityaMehendale
@AdityaMehendale Год назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves Hmm - thinking aloud - how about a layer of material between the tensioning surface and the copper-sheet - for example a sacrificial disc of UHMW or Tyvek (r) slightly larger than the lip?
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves Год назад
@@AdityaMehendale I think that might be solving a problem I don't have. I could perhaps try making the piston from a very low friction material, but they tend to be hard to polish. Next step would probably be to print a grid on the raw foil and then stretch it and look for any areas where there is excessive strain
@thomasthygesen5949
@thomasthygesen5949 Год назад
Tak!
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves Год назад
Many thanks!
@lste
@lste Год назад
Thread cutting away from the chuck. Is the helix angle of the cutting tool correct or is it angled the wrong way?
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves Год назад
Excellent question. For an M12 x 0.5, the helix angle is 0.77 degrees. That toolholder is neutral with no wedge, also the insert appears to be ground symmetrically and there's a bit of rake and relief, which give a clearance of much more than 0.77 degrees. For larger pitches relative to diameter it does start to matter if the holder is biased or the insert takes a tapered wedge. All of the inserts I use are intended for direct plunge and appear to be entirely symmetrical under a microscope. It would certainly become a problem at some point if the insert was asymmetrically ground or designed for other than a 90 degree approach.
@bigsmoke6189
@bigsmoke6189 2 года назад
I suspect that a good collet chuck would help with the fiddler parts you're turning
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
I use my ER40 and ER25 collet chucks for the majority of the small work, but I did a very careful regrind of the Pratt Burnerd 3 jaw recently and always finish tightening using the "O" marked pinion and get surprisingly good repeatability. When I'm using stock larger than 30 mm max capacity of the ER40 for part of a job, I do sometimes carry on using the 3 jaw for smaller stuff, but only in a single setup so I don't lose concentricity. I sometimes make softjaws for holding smaller parts where a collet might mar the surfaces, or where I need a very precise Y axis position.
@Xaerorazor0
@Xaerorazor0 2 года назад
Hmmmm. Have you considered placing a polished flat surface on the opposite side of the foil from the piston that is loaded. The tearing i saw looked like unequal stretching of the material
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
Spot on diagnosis. I'm also being a lot more picky about the foils. Some of them have definite banding from the electrolytic process or maybe the polished titanium drums they are formed on to. Now I am gluing the foils to a large ring first, that problem has just about gone away, plus I'm getting a feel for how the foils behave, but watching them through a microscope. I can't put anything on the upper face because the mounting for the foil has to be fitted through the hole above the top face. I'll be very very glad once this is all over, I know way more about the macroscopic physical properties of metals now than is good for a simple microwaving machinist.
@KallePihlajasaari
@KallePihlajasaari 2 года назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves You are probably the best placed RU-vidr to make one of these. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cU0tVHoN2uc.html
@JaenEngineering
@JaenEngineering 2 года назад
Question, when you broke a foil did you make a note of where the tear started from? If there's a common point on the fixture that the tears begin, it's a pretty good indication that there's something at that point causing a stress point. Also, while I may not know much about stretching copper foils, I've helped enough drummers reskin their snares to know that you need to apply the pressure incredibly evenly in order to avoid splitting them. Not sure of the order you tightened those retaining bolts or the torque used, but a wheel nut style of working opposites and with a torque wrench may be helpful if you've a few to do. Edited to add; I also think a little lube on the piston to allow the copper to slide over it could be a good idea...
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
I'm using some lube with PTFE in, seems to help. The yield point seems to be more related to the direction the foil is aligned. It tears more easily across the roll rather than along it. I guess there are microscopic flaws from the electrolytic deposition. I thought it was always at the side nearest me or the side opposite, but then I rotated the foils 90 degrees and the failures happened at the left or the right. I do the tightening like a round cylinder head or a large flange, doing opposite pairs, then stepping round to a pair as far away from those and possible, then keep trying to spread the load evenly. Doesn't seem to make any difference. I do a final sanity check of the torque on each one in turn. I even use a tiny torque spanner to be sure I'm consistent. No useful effect at all, but it makes me feel all Scientific and full of Metrology, even though I'm not.
@JaenEngineering
@JaenEngineering 2 года назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves sounds like you've covered all the bases. Not sure what else could help other than maybe trying to lightly anneal the foil first to remove any directional stresses. Not sure how you'd do that with it being so thin though. After that I'm well and truly out. As if RF design wasn't already dark art, now you're adding metallurgy into the mix!
@tolkienfan1972
@tolkienfan1972 2 года назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves I wonder if you could bring it close to the failure strain, hold, then release a little, before retightening... Even with lube, the friction would seem to become a factor
@JaenEngineering
@JaenEngineering 2 года назад
@@tolkienfan1972 after a good night's sleep I woke up with a somewhat similar idea. How about once you've taken up the slack give it a 1/4 turn of tension, leave it a few minutes then back off an 1/8 turn and leave a again for a bit. Then just rinse and repeat, forward 1/4, back 1/8 until you feel it's not wanting to give any more.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
@@tolkienfan1972 The lateral force is around 200 kg at about 20 degrees so the contact pressure is spread out over the curved face. I might work out the pressure and try a test using a linear strip to see how much friction there is. I don't know if repeated cycles would cause more embrittlement at the bend compared with a single pull.
@PeregrineBF
@PeregrineBF 2 года назад
Yay baby starlings!
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
There are so many of them! 20 years ago, the neighbours cut down a huge Leylandii hedge that was 25ft tall and home to a roost of around 3000 starlings. The roar of their wings as they took off early each morning was amazing. They moved to new roost sites, but the numbers are drastically reduced. I had four successful nests this year that I know about, but I guess there are many more in my 1.5 acres of woodland garden.
@theymg3
@theymg3 2 года назад
Would simply beating the copper foil like they do for gold sheet work (gilding)???
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
I have some copper leaf that was made using the same process as gold leaf, but it's much more fragile than gold. Perhaps it's something to do with oxidation or formation of sulphides at grain boundaries causing weaknesses. I think it's probably tricky to keep the copper annealed when it gets very thin, plus it must be tough getting a consistent thickness. It is really weird stuff, I use a paintbrush and static electricity to pick up ip and apply it like you do with gold leaf, but it tends to stick to the brush and break down to a sparkly dust.
@stevewilliams2498
@stevewilliams2498 2 года назад
How come there was a witness mark, on the first reject, that appeared to reflect the brass piston rod ? That should have been well clear.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
I poked it hard with my finger to teach it a lesson. Miscalculated the velocity and force of the impact. There was a witness mark on the end of my finger for a while as well.
@roryevans5032
@roryevans5032 2 года назад
I'm going to hazard a guess that these are for Infrared/THZ filters, using lithography patterned copper meshes. I assume these are now off to somebody else to get patterned.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
Heh heh, I'm saying nothing! I did wonder about whether I could emboss the surface to make some sort of filtering mirror or 3D diffraction surface like those rainbow holograms printed on to chocolate, but for mmwaves
@dimievers5573
@dimievers5573 2 года назад
did you ever get to see the finished result on that dutch guys setup mate ??
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
He's supposed to be sending me some more photos, but right now he's in the middle of a major new build of a 50 MHz antenna system.
@dimievers5573
@dimievers5573 2 года назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves cool . Thanks mate
@HughsScamProducts
@HughsScamProducts Год назад
Why don't you use a small amount of oil on the stretching ring to reduce friction? I saw you clean them, but lubricant may give the ability to evenly distribute the load.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves Год назад
The problem with any oil type lube is that it breaks down and stains the foil when I apply heat to solder the bronze ring to the foil. Graphite is possible as a lube but in practice the tension is so great and the angle is so shallow that there are no obvious frictional problems so long as the stainless piston edges are really well polished. I could print an array of dots on to the foil then stretch it to check if there are any discontinuities at the piston contact point
@HughsScamProducts
@HughsScamProducts Год назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves Thanks so much for responding. That makes complete sense and I appreciate all your info, and content. As someone who has never uses a metal lathe, it was very nice watching your videos.Many people skip over the technical aspects of the milling bits and techniques used. They just time-lapse to the end product. Nice, detailed aspects that make turning metal as seem less of a black magic, more of an art/science. Have a great day!
@jonathanrees3765
@jonathanrees3765 Год назад
Copper foil probably has some areas of work hardening from manufacturing process. So maybe anneal first. Use washers under your Allen screws and a torque grease on the threads, and torque the screws, your copper foil is not evenly clamped (hot rod engine tech shows this kind of problem). Could you use air pressure (or vacuum) to do the stretching? This would have even tension across whole foil? And have a mounted pointer at max required stretch as a visual indication of progress? At least TTL was repairable, custom chips not so.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves Год назад
Some of the foil is electrodeposited so it's fully soft, but the rolled foil definitely has some banding from the rolling process. It does disappear completely with the amount of stretch I'm doing. I suspect that the grain size in that 10 um material is such that work hardening doesn't have much impact. I have some annealed foil as well, but it's stupidly expensive. I could certainly anneal the rolled foil, but I'd have to do it in a vacuum or perhaps in Argon to prevent oxidation. I used a tiny smear of grease on the threads for the actual parts, the grip from the tiny step in the body and clamp seemed to be entirely sufficient to hold the foil. No idea why I didn't think to put washers under the allen screw heads, well spotted! I wanted the foils to be flat to a micrometer or so, which meant I couldn't use pressure, I needed as close to a pure radial stretch as possible and using hydraulic or pneumatic methods would cause the foil to form into a hyperboloid or paraboloid I think. I used the feeling of the adjustment screw, I could feel the stretch pretty well as that fine thread was well-polished and greased. If I was trying to make it reproducibly, I would certainly need to look at a measurement solution. I suspect that ink dots and a webcam and reticle might suffice! Thanks very much for the comment and thoughts. I found a drawer wih lots of old SN74xx TTL chips after the comments a few days ago. I should make something with them!
@tolkienfan1972
@tolkienfan1972 2 года назад
A waveguide filter in the terahertz region?
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
Heh heh, keep guessing!
@michaelwarlick4328
@michaelwarlick4328 2 года назад
Very well done video. Have you considered making a book of goldbeaters skin or thin rubber? First flatten the foil by pressing in an unabridged dictionary then take two sheets of leather, or goldbeaters skin , or rubber. Copy the hole pattern of the press in the flexible sheets. Fasten the two sheets together on one edge. Build a clamping and pressing device much the same as you have here but with enough more clearance to compress the elastic material. place the well flattened foil between the sheets of elastic material , then place this book in the press.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
I have a lot of copper leaf that's about the thickness of one wavelength of visible light, it's nightmarish stuff to move around, more fragile than gold leaf. Quite WHY I have a few hundred sheets of the stuff is mysterious, but it started as an experiment in electroforming on to a machined wax master for growing waveguide components. Trying to burnish the leaf on to wax was, er, "amusing", to say the least. I saw El*n M*sk talking to Tim Dodd about electroformed parts of the gas generator in one of the early Raptor rocket engines yesterday, and that's the sort of thing I'm working on. I wanted to see if it was possible to avoid the usual issue with having to dissolve an aluminium mandrel in sodium hydroxide when electroforming parts. So far, it doesn't seem to work. I can't get an Aquadag colloidal carbon wash to adhere either, but I don't really want to have to do it that way. Far too many projects and no time. Working at The Day Job again this week to earn some pocket-money to pay for experiments!
@michaelwarlick4328
@michaelwarlick4328 2 года назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves That explains the wax . Can you polish a very flat finish on a thin sheet of zinc? Zinc can be removed with milder chemicals than aluminum requires, and thc copper could be stretched while still bonded to the substrate. I believe that electroplating a bit of zinc would produce a copper foil , but there might be crystals that roughen the exposed side.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
I've never tried machining zinc, in fact I've never seen zinc other than in sheets as a roof covering or as a galvanised finish on steel. The thing about using aluminium is that the hot NaOH doesn't affect the gold, nickel or copper. I have some disodium tetrahydroxyzincate that seems to work well on 6082 aluminium, but I need to do a lot more experimentation before this process is reliable.
@michaelwarlick4328
@michaelwarlick4328 2 года назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves Zinc will dissolve on pretty mild acid , like vinegar .
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
@@michaelwarlick4328 Following your suggestion, I just bought some 12 mm diameter pure zinc cast bar to see if I can get it to machine to a decent finish, I have some concentrated HCl, so if I dilute it, it shouldn't harm the electroformed copper unless it's in the presence of oxygen. Gold will not be affected. I could coat the outside surfaces of the copper with paint or wax to protect it, but it should only dissolve the oxide layer. I can get bars up to 30mm diameter, but I bet it's horrible stuff to machine! Nothing ventured, nothing gained...
@michaelwarlick4328
@michaelwarlick4328 2 года назад
If you had a pattern of stripes or dots painted on the copper, would a loupe with a scale allow you to see when the marks had spread the amount corresponding to the amount of stretch that is enough?
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
Interesting idea. I could use the centrescope to measure the movements of the dots using the DRO on the mill to see what moves where and by how much
@michaelwarlick4328
@michaelwarlick4328 2 года назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves What would you have if you stretched a thicker foil then thinned it by etching or by making it an anode in an electroplating tank? would the work hardened quality remain as it thinned?
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
@@michaelwarlick4328 depends on the grain size, but I suspect it might result in enhanced material removal along grain boundaries. Grain sizes after work hardening are around a micrometre across but might be shallower than that in thin foils. I'm going to have a look at how Mylar is made from PET to see if there are any parallels
@michaelwarlick4328
@michaelwarlick4328 2 года назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves I saw Elon M . discussing electroplating to produce rocket combustion chamber lining. recently on "Everyday Astronaut" He said it was difficult and slow. I suppose that he had to be slow to achieve the thickness he needed without having the crystal formations that rapid deposition makes. You must be using time and voltage very carefully to achieve a uniform and smooth thin foil.
@michaelwarlick4328
@michaelwarlick4328 2 года назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves Would a thinned and stretched copper sheet that was not yet work hardened quite enough , continue to work harden when it was vibrated? I have in mind submergence in an ultrasonic cleaning tank. But I don't know that this would be more gentle than stretching, It might be just as bad.
@mikeparfitt8897
@mikeparfitt8897 2 года назад
Starting at 29:22 the piston doesn't appear to be seating square on the shaft - the gap between the two varies as the drill rotates. A bit later the wobbling of the cylinder is very obvious and it would be tempting to attribute all of it to the vagaries of consumer-level electric drills and their chucks, but what if that isn't the full story ?
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
Well spotted! I'm still suspicious about how wobbly the shaft was when I chucked it up, then went ahead and "trued" it without checking to see if the body was actually running true.. If there was a chip under the face or if I'd damaged the thread and raised a burr when I countersunk the hole, that could have made it look wobbly, so I unwobbled it, but then maybe it fixed itself when I took it apart to degrease it, and put the unwobble back as a new antiwobble. The drill is an almost-new Milwaukee 18 volt so I think the bearings and chuck are fairly good. Anyway, I got annoyed with the piston and made a brand new one which is larger diameter, then bored out the clamp ring and body to fit and now everything is lovely and true. If I get a moment, I'll pop the old piston into an ER40 collet chuck and indicate the shaft and face to see what is going on. Or use it as a third-rate eggcup.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
Mystery solved. Remember when I gripped the piston in the 3-jaw then took out the wobble? I only did the last 8mm of the brass shaft, the rest still has the original wobble, and it was that section that I gripped in the drill chuck. Putting the piston into a collet chuck, the runout in the dimple and in the first 8mm of the OD is minimal, but the rest of the shaft is WAAAAAAYYY off. Phew, had me slightly worried for a while...
@Henning_S.
@Henning_S. 2 года назад
Maybe you can try to use a hair dryer to get the foil warm while tensioning and then let it cool off when it is fully tensioned, so it contracts and adds even more tension to the center of the foil without over tensioning the outer portion of the foil between the plunger and the fixture. I think your main problem is the friction between the piston and the foil and this method allows you to get more tension to the foil without additional friction...
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
Even the gentle wind from a hairdryer distorts the foil and makes it flap about, potentially causing creases., but I after reading your suggestion, I just tried an infra-red heat lamp that I used to use to keep newborn piglets and newly hatched hen/turkey chicks warm. Method was to use a large disk about 95 mm diameter, lay down some glue on it, then float the foil on to the glue, turn on the heat lamp, drop a ring weight on to the foil, pull it tight all round before the glue sets, then turn off the lamp once the glue cures. That seems to work well enough, but with the foil at around 60C over ambient, across 80 mm diameter, the expansion is 1.6e-5 per Kelvin, so only about 0.1%. That's not very significant compared with the 5-7% strain I need, but it might help to avoid wrinkles. I don't want to get the foil too hot as I want to avoid surface oxidation. Any post-fixing treatment apart from solvent degreasing is extremely tricky. I can't even use the ultrasonic bath, it's way too violent.
@Henning_S.
@Henning_S. 2 года назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves i was thinking about heating the foil when it is already clamped in the fixture, then tighten the piston to a point where the foil nearly ruptures, and then let the foil cool off, so it gets stretched a little bit more. Maybe a little bit of heat also makes the foil a little bit less brittle, so it can be stretched a little bit more without rupturing.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
@@Henning_S. Ah, heating it enough to have a useful effect might be counterproductive as it will reset the work-hardening and leave the foil relaxed in the stretched condition. Doing the work-hardening with it cold is important. Perhaps up to 120C would be OK, and that would indeed add some useful preload in addition to the elastic strain. The key point is to stretch it almost to yield point and the full-hard condition. Fascinating subject all round.
@KallePihlajasaari
@KallePihlajasaari 2 года назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves You could use a (black) radiant heat source that is temperature controlled to 120C that fills the field of view of the foil so that it behaves a little lie a black body radiator and might equalise the temperature of the foil. I also would have forgotten about the annealing after the desired work hardening.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
@@KallePihlajasaari Good idea, better than the heat lamp. The only minor issue to address is that the piston is rather close to the edges of the mount that I need to fix to the foil so I'd have to be careful about not chilling the outer part of the stretched diaphragm. Simple fix would be to make the stretching jig rather larger, then I could use a black-body box with a heated plate coated with carbon and with diffuse mirrored insides and a small orifice, same as the folks experimenting at 30 THz are using as a calibration source.
@soranuareane
@soranuareane 2 года назад
For finding the minimum travel to cover a bolt pattern, there are several graph algorithms (A* comes to mind, DFS with pruning, SSSP modelling the distance as an edge weight, Djikstra's using the same idea, etc). Or you could just, you know, drill arbitrarily. It's not like you're making more than one of these.
@Taskarnin
@Taskarnin 2 года назад
They way he did it is actually just about the easiest on a manual mill. With the center of your bolt circle at 0 you can go to the negative of the same value in one axis and repeat the operating procedure. Grey matter is the bottleneck here.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
I need some sort of AI assistant. AIMEE tells me she isn't a pocket calculator and that I should ask Siri and Alexa, but they feign ignorance. Now I have full programmatic control of AIMEE's voice engine, I could get her to start winding up and annoying Alexa interactively. Siri sounds awfully chipper and upbeat these days, and it feel cruel to annoy them. Alexa just says "I'm sorry, I don't know that" when faced with a hard question that should be trivially easy for a bunch of if-then statements and ML weighting scores to answer, so is fair game. Good for shopping lists, but thick as two short planks when it comes to searching for music tracks or interpreting equations.
@xenoxaos1
@xenoxaos1 2 года назад
I'm wondering if 3 retaining screws would have been better than 10...
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
I ran a simulation in Fusion 360 and it shoed a lot of variation in contact pressure with six or fewer screws, and there was still a little variation with seven, so I picked ten. I'm still regretting not going prime and picking 11..... If I used a stiffer material or made the ring thicker, I could have used fewer fixings. I did consider using the hydraulic press to force the top ring down, not using any screws at all, just two alignment dowels, but it would be fiddly trying to see the state of the membrane
@martineastburn3679
@martineastburn3679 Год назад
Right easy using Cartesian Tensors and / or Hypergeometric Equations.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves Год назад
Indeed. The proof is left for the reader to deduce at their leisure, as many of my old maths textbooks say
@paradiselost9946
@paradiselost9946 Год назад
despite their ease, left hand threads pose interesting challenges also. i trialled the nut three times the wrong way... oh yeah. LH. didnt i just say its LH? on size, ollowed by popping nut in, grab chamfer tool to take off that edge when i parted it... ZIP! oh yeah. LH. luckily that was the last and also superfluous operation...(chamfers? superfluous? wha?) cus i aint clocking it up again!
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves Год назад
I've always forced my brain to think three extra times when LH threads are involved, and I sometime even print out a Fusion360 CAD image to act as a reminder. I try to remember to machine two nicks into the nut to indicate it's LH. Sometimes I even succeed.
@andrewdoherty8847
@andrewdoherty8847 Год назад
This is my 2 episode of yours. Even the text is rewarding to read. Speaking of which, punctuation of the cc's would be great. I knew that Aimee was not an image of your girlfriend/mistress/fiance/spouse; no apron. BTW I suspect your strainer is to filter out the VHF from the GHz. Don't want cross contamination do we?
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves Год назад
I've been very late publishing some of these videos and was so tired that I couldn't face editing the CCs, but in general I try to ensure they are at least corrected for spelling. The current vid is being shot for a major corporate sponsor and it will be edited to perfection because I have the luxury of more time being available. I am still a total beginner at videomaking, colour grading and sound design, and I'm not using the best tools. I'm about to move to DaVinci Resolve from Cyberlink Powerdirector. I've spent the last month building a video studio and editing suite, so starting tomorrow, I'll be showing my face in my videos and I'll have proper lighting for shots outside of the machine shop. I should soon have the electronics lab set up for video/stills/sound, and I'm working on converting my woodworking shop to include my 3D printers, electroplating and electroforming gear, and adding wire EDM, laser cutters, CNC engravers/routers and installing all of the equipment for the dangerous high voltage, vacuum sputtering/deposition and high vacuum experiments. I need to do a lot of work in the machine shop to create a better TIG/MIG/stick welding area, and move my large granite surface plate and metrology tools into a more temperature-stable environment.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves Год назад
The strainer was designed to stretch and align the grain boundaries in a 10 micron copper foil to cause work-hardening, and maintain the foil in an elastic stretch so it could be attached to a bronze ring 20 mm diameter and 0.7 mm thick and 3 mm deep. That then screws on to a resonant microwave cavity with a central post that is adjusted to be about 20 micrometres away from the foil. That makes the combination of the central post and the foil into an inductance and capacitance that resonate at around 1 GHz. The cavity is excited by an external field at a fraction higher than the resonance by an external antenna with capacitative end coupliing. As sound vibrations in the air from speech around 4ft away move the tensioned foil by about 10 nanometres peak at 1 kHz, the resonant frequency of the cavity changes, and the amplitude of its response to the 1 GHz stimulus varies syllabically with the audio. Any antenna that is illuminated by an RF signal re-radiates around half of the incident wave, so if you can set up a receiver that nulls out the incident wave by a factor or at least ten million, a receiver can pick up the audio as a mix of amplitude and phase modulation and convert it back to audio. This is exactly what Leon Theremin created when he designed the Great Seal Bug which the NKVD gave as a gift to the US Ambassador in Moscow in 1945. and which wasn't detected until seven years later. It featured in the high drama of the U2 spy plane incident in 1962 (Gary Powers) at the UN Security Council. BBC TV asked me to build and demonstrate a replica for their programme "The Secret Genius of Modern Life" with Prof Hannah Fry interviewing me on prime time BBC2 TV. My mother was very proud. I'm working on a series of four videos about the replica build project, the history, my experiences while bugging the BBC Council Chamber in the iconic Broadcasting House in London, and the physics and microwave engineering aspects of what is known as The Thing. It's been one heck of a ride and eaten hundreds of hours of my life, but the amount of fun makes it all worthwhile
@MidEngineering
@MidEngineering 2 года назад
There's more to threading away from the chuck than you're letting on here. The helix angle on the tool is wrong for going in that direction. For a fine thread you'd think the side clearance on the insert would be enough, but are you using oil in case it's not? (why else would you use oil on Brass?)
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
The helix angle of those M8 x 0.5 threads is 88.9 degrees (or 1.1 degrees). I checked the inserts under a microscope and there's no clearance at all, the cutting point is entirely parallel for the full depth of the insert. The clearance is created by the rake angle of the insert in the holder. It's a Vargus 2IR0.5ISO right-hand internal 1/4 inch uncoated insert. The holder is an internal one with a steep negative rake, and it looks like it's neutral, without an anvil. Using that on an external thread exaggerates the side clearance and from my back-of-an-envelope calculations, it looked like I had plenty of clearance on threads of M8 and larger. I have taps for M8 x 0.5 and M12 x 0.5, and for larger 0.5 pitch threads, the helix angle is so small that it's not a problem. If I was using a proper external holder, I'd have to use one with an anvil and buy a reversed anvil to change the helix angle from +1.5 to perhaps -1.5. There is a larger issue though. As this is a full-form insert, the last cut will top two threads instead of just one, so I machine the OD to be exactly on the finished thread diameter and ensure that the last cut just touches the remaining Dykem, but doesn't remove significant material. My thread gauges suggest that the threads are OK, and they look good under a microscope. I do give them a polish with a Cratex abrasive just to remove any sharp edges. The oil is there to catch the spray of brass when I'm using the camera close-in, otherwise the lens mechanism fills with brass dust and makes nasty noises. I do find the finish is much better in copper with a light lube (usually a 50/50 mix of WD40 and some ester-based Millicut J40 cutting oil) but with CZ121 brass it doesn't make much difference. If I fit the rear toolpost, I can use a proper insert and tool with the correct helix angle, but this trick works for folks who don't have a rear toolpost. I should have gone into it in much more detail and explained about what is actually going on, but it really needs a separate video to cover the intricacies. Hope that makes some sort of sense! Thanks for bringing up the subject. I'll try to explain in more detail next time.
@troyam6607
@troyam6607 2 года назад
yeah binky!
@dogsarebest7107
@dogsarebest7107 2 года назад
Brass thread, under compression, into a brass threaded hole. That's gonna bite you in the butt for sure. Why did you go that way instead of just throwing a section of stainless threaded stud into the knob? Especially with such fine threads? Your work is gorgeous as always. Though w hen you chucked that polished piston, I shed a tear. Not even some painters tape or soda can to protect it :( As far as the foil tearing, have you done a few test pieces by annealing the copper first? The work hardening will be isotropic and not even across the width of the sheet due to the manufacturing process (iirc). I would see if you can anneal it, before forming. I know you want it work-hardened, but you have no way of knowing HOW much work-hardened the foil is, so it might tear in random directions no matter what you do, because it's not equally work-hardened in both dimensions (and even if it was, you have no idea HOW close it is to cracking or a way to check how work-hardened it is at the start). It's worth a few tests, since it wouldn't take much time. Hell, you could partially anneal it to various temperatures, and figure the perfect temperature, that gives you the part you want, at the hardness you want. Something to ponder about!
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
Heh heh, yes it was a daft move to use brass, but as the total lifetime use of this will be around fifteen successful foils, I thought I'd get away with it. Bit of lube on the threads and there's no sign of galling or wear so far. The night is yet young though.... The jaws on my chuck have a nice freshly-ground surface with a radius around 45 mm, so it's very rare that it marks anything less than about 35 mm diameter. That isn't a critical surface either. I have a set of jaw guards, but if I'd been doing more of these, I'd just make up some aluminium softjaws or use some brass shim stock. The copper is SUPPOSED to be in a specific temper as supplied, but it seems to vary a lot. I've bought a lot of rolls of the stuff and there is a definite difference in quality and consistency from the different suppliers. It's cheap and nasty stuff mostly. It's supposed to be in a semi-hard temper. If I didn't mind paying REALLY silly prices, there is a supplier who will provide me with really good material, but the cost jumps by a factor of over 200 and it simply isn't worth it! I am VERY pleased I only need to make about 15 of these diaphragms.
@dogsarebest7107
@dogsarebest7107 2 года назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves Ah was not sure if no lubricant was allowed on the assembly. Have you lubed the top surface of the piston and the radius on the cylinder? Draw-forming is usually drenched in lubricant, usually a wax-type. Could try to lube that corner radius on the cylinder side, and the piston with some candle wax and see if it helps any. "Only 15" seems like it shouldn't be a problem, until it IS! And yeah, cheap materials seem like a good deal, until you factor in the time spent trying to make it act like it's supposed to! I still say seeing of an annealing would help with the tearing, or possible even a deep temper in a toaster oven at a few hundred degrees (f) might help some in addition to the lube. Either way, great video as always, good luck!
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
@@dogsarebest7107 I can't afford to have any lube on the upper surface. I did wonder about making an insert ring from UHMWPE or PTFE or other low-friction materials, but getting a mirror finish on those is more challenging than on metals. I have a toaster oven, but I think what will happen is that I'd need to stretch it rather more to get it to work harden and that might mean moving the piston further with the problems of the angle getting acute and hitting work-hardening issues and embrittlement over the rounded edge. The best approach would indeed be a full anneal then a carefully-measured pre-stretch to work-harden it, then punch to size and glue to a weighted holding ring to apply a preload, then use a clamp that doesn't need screws going through the foil. Life, however, is WAAAAAY too short!
@dogsarebest7107
@dogsarebest7107 2 года назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves Oh definitely. Hope I'm not adding to the stress of it! I'm one of those people the "RubberDuck Method" helps me work through problems, so I was just trying to throw some ideas your way, and as you shoot them down you might come up with the "a-ha" moment. I really do not know about the need to pre-stretch to get the required work-hardening after annealing, though. Throw 2-3 squares of foil in a toaster oven for 30 minutes at the highest temp, and try to form 'em. If it's taking you many tries to get one useful cup to come out correct, the time/labor investment in trying a few things with the foil is pretty low. If after forming they're too soft, then you can strike that off the list. But if it's successful, it drastically lowers effort for the rest. But you are right, I was cursed, many years ago, with what I call "Fractal Recursive Yakshaving" with a side of "bikeshedding". And a 7 minute project ends up being 25 steps long and taking multiple hours.. just so that the actual project takes 5 minutes instead of 7. The 3 hours it took to shave those 2 minutes don't count! It's my honest-to-gods curse!
@haydenmurphy4412
@haydenmurphy4412 2 года назад
Who is the woman that you always place in the thumbnails of your videos?
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
If you watch the videos, AIMEE is a regular character in almost all of them, representing the role of The Chorus from Greek classical theatre, or The Narrator. AIMEE is not a human, and that isn't a photo. AIMEE's image is a byte array generated by an algorithm which is trying to produce a pattern that will convince a second algorithm that the byte array could be a photo of a real human. The byte arrays are generated from thispersondoesnotexist.com, which runs a Generative Adversarial Network. AIMEE's voice is generated by python scripts making API calls into Google Cloud TTS. She is a figment of my conscience and a narrative device. Her name is an acronym based on Artificially Intelligent Machining and Engineering Expert system. She's capable of world-class snark and has 20/20 hindsight. The thumbnails are all screencaps from the videos, usually where she's telling me something useful like I forgot to measure something, or a dimension looks wrong. It always turns out to be true. She's the big sister I never had, she's got a bit of my infant school teacher, a bit of an old colleague of mine and a some of a brilliant manager I worked for.
@mrwidget42
@mrwidget42 2 года назад
Anyone beside me think that micrometer anvil was a bit askew? Maybe it wasn't that critical.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
Quite possible, because I can't actually read it when I'm filming, so there's a bit of showbiz about it. For the REAL final check, I move the cameras and lights and check really carefully. Once I get the overhead camera/lights fittings in place, I should be able to do the measurements just the once.
@swirlius
@swirlius 2 года назад
What happened to the “ding” heralding AIMEE’s appearance, “as is tradition”?
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
Incompetence on my part, or it could be a social experiment. I favour the former interpretation.
@fletcherreder6091
@fletcherreder6091 2 года назад
Disagree. Watching a curve come to life from tangent cuts is extraordinarily satisfying. Birds _and_ pup? I feel spoiled!
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
I'm slightly biased, having made some hyperbolic subreflectors using more than 30 tangential cuts, I do rather yearn for a form tool or CNC lathe sometimes, but yes, sometimes the process of incremental tangential cuts is really enjoyable. I must get on with the servomotor drive attachment so I can make large high precision hyperbolic/elliptic reflectors. There are geometric linkages that can do conic section profiles, that might be a very amusing thing to try, cutting a hyperboloidal solid using pure geometry.
@fletcherreder6091
@fletcherreder6091 2 года назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves there's also the linkage option, but I'm not sure if the stiffness would be sufficient, particularly for the size they would need to be. Serious bragging rights though, mechanical computation is cool.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
@@fletcherreder6091 Well now... All the cutting forces are unidirectional and I could use metal or pneumatic springs to preload the mechanism and use taper roller or angular contact bearings. It would be very cool. I only need about 1/20th of a wavelength max RMS error, so even at 122GHz that's only to the nearest 0.12 mm or 5 thou/mils and at lower frequencies it's even less of a challenge. The linkages are not simple though
@fletcherreder6091
@fletcherreder6091 2 года назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves Oh dear, I'm going to be thinking about this for a while...
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
It looks like all of the hyperbolic curve linkages need sliding elements, so perhaps a linear shaft bearing could be adapted. I'm also going to be thinking about this for some time!
@MrTurboturbine
@MrTurboturbine 2 года назад
Change the tool 3 times, move the tool once.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
Very good point. That's my usual approach except when I need totally consistent depths and I'm using that cheap keyless chuck. There is a different issue though, which is that reaching round the camera and lights always risks me knocking them, so I tend to use the DRO a lot and not do the sensible thing and do all the ops on each hole in turn. I need to get camera and lighting rigging fixed to the ceiling so I can get on with doing the job instead of having to work around and through the filming hardware. Soon as the cameras are off and the lights are out of the way, I do things properly. Mostly. Well enough for a bodger that has no idea what he's doing, obviously.
@mattiasarvidsson8522
@mattiasarvidsson8522 5 месяцев назад
knurling good on the first try .. its so random for me ;)
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 5 месяцев назад
I really want to make or buy a serious pinch knurler, the pressure knurl is OK for softer metals like brass and 304 stainless and some mild steels, but not good on hard steel, and it takes too many passes.
@machinists-shortcuts
@machinists-shortcuts Год назад
Have you tried forming the foil using a urethane block as a die and a punch the shape of the inside? I don't have a video to show this precisely but this one shows copper foil being clipped to size around a shaped punch. - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dOAVcJ1CCmY.html
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves Год назад
The original design required the foil to be soldered to the bronze ring while under tension so it has to be done using materials that can withstand soldering temperatures. I think engineering plastics might work well when using cyanoacrylate if there's a way to apply tension during the whole process, but the historical parts I was replicating were from way before CA was invented. The copper in the demonstration is twenty five times thicker than the foil I was using, and it needs to be taken well beyond the elastic limit into plastic deformation and work hardening, then maintained under strain during fixing to the ring and further strained once it's in place. Huge fun trying to come up with solutions, lots of good ideas have been put forward by viewers
@dtnicholls1
@dtnicholls1 2 года назад
So I'm still not quite sure what you're trying to achieve here. Obviously you're trying to stretch the foil, presumably both to harden it and to get an incredibly flat diaphragm for the secret project. Is there a specific amount of hardness you're looking for? If this is to vibrate in its intended use I can see how that might be rather important, but if it's just to stretch it flat... Annealing would help a lot. I suspect a good part of your problem is in the initial mounting of the foil. I would make a larger pair of rings without the bolt holes through them out of HDPE or some other bearing plastic. Back them with a bit of ally or steel and then an arrangement not unlike a flower press. You can then apply a small amount of clamping tension to the foil and just move it by hand to get it good and flat. Then with it held in there, mount it to your stretching jig. You can also look at the deflection you're putting into it. You might be pushing it beyond the yield point regardless of how careful you are.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
I think you're right about making a larger clamp without bolts and perhaps using UHMWPE or other low-friction material. This cheap foil is only available in 100 mm width rolls, but I can get 150 mm squares interleaved with tissue paper, although they are stunningly expensive. I need to do something similar with stainless steel and nickel foils
@dtnicholls1
@dtnicholls1 2 года назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves The question is what are you trying to achieve? Not in terms of what this is used in, but in terms of what material properties are you trying to achieve? Is it just flatness, or is it also hardness etc as well? Are you able to talk about exactly what that material is? 200mpa copper foil isn't a lot to go on...
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
I'm trying various types of copper foil at 10 micrometres thickness. Most of it has no statement of composition, some has a little nickel, but I'm guessing it's electrolytic copper with some oxygen content. I need the diaphragms to be flat to about a micrometre and under elastic strain at around 50% of the value before plastic deformation starts. This part of the process needs to work-harden the material and get it flat. In the finished application, it will be stretched to the final working tension. I've also got to try with gold-plated stainless steel foil about 5 micrometres thick with a micrometre of gold, and possibly 10 um nickel with a copper or silver plated layer. It would be much more fun to try to make a continuous plating machine with a titanium drum so I can make my own custom foils, but this is just a tiny corner of one project and I need to get on with all of the others. Too many interesting rabbit-holes to go down.
@dtnicholls1
@dtnicholls1 2 года назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves Any reason you can't just roll it? Polished rollers should give you something quite flat, or at least flat enough to get you the rest of the way there when placed under tension.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
@@dtnicholls1 The challenge would be in finding or making some rollers with the required pressure and precision. The big rollers used to make aluminium foil can't get anywhere close to the required thickness, they have to roll two sheets for the finish pass, and you end up with a matt face on one side as a result. Preventing ripples requires an extremely stiff assembly. The surface finish needs to be near-optical quality, so RMS variations of a fraction of a micrometre. I don't have anything that can approach that sort of precision. The stretched foil is about 8 micrometres thick, 16 wavelengths of light. Second issue is asymmetric deformation. The radial stretch makes the crystal structure have radial strain lines and aligns the crystals radially, whereas a roller would tend to form elongated grain boundaries and not increase the width by much. Even if you took multiple passes at different angles, it would be tough to get a decent microstructure that was hard enough to stretch into the elastic region. Ultimately, copper and copper alloys are not the right material from a physical perspective although they are good electrically. 2.5 um of gold plating over 5 um stainless steel foil might be a good compromise but that isn't compatible with the client requirement. Short version: rolling is very very hard and/or very very expensive and doesn't achieve the microstructure required. It might be a whole lot of fun to play with, but I'll let someone else try it.
@joelee2371
@joelee2371 Год назад
"Behind every successful man stands a woman......who keeps telling him he's wrong!"
@corndog6700
@corndog6700 Год назад
You know that's a chamfer tool, right?
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves Год назад
All tools can be chamfer tools if they dream hard enough. Well, maybe not lump hammers, although....
@theradiorover
@theradiorover 2 года назад
Loved it! However: a) you have far too many toys. The automatic tap thingy is a joy to watch though! b) I think microwave radio is a front. You've spent the last year making the components for some kind of Doomsday device and we'll all find out in the Final Episode. 👿☣☢
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
The Time Machine will give me the opportunity to erase all of the evidence of making the Time Ma... Aaargh, foiled again! And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!
@theradiorover
@theradiorover 2 года назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves Ha! Keep up the exhaustingly good work Neil. 👏 😃
@rallymax2
@rallymax2 2 года назад
Foiled!
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
Indeed. Completely.
@ehamster
@ehamster 2 года назад
Not a single “weeeee” from a departing spiral of swarf. :-( Don’t forget your roots.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
None of them seemed enthusiastic enough to warrant a wheeeeeee somehow. Definitely more in the next video.
@stevewilliams2498
@stevewilliams2498 2 года назад
I couldn't help but notice how uncomfortable the swarf was when facing off with the chuck running backwards. Not a single childish squeal wheeeee to be heard.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
My Sound Effects game was weak in this video. Sleep deprivation and pollen fever took their toll on things including AIMEE's "ding". "Squelch" and "Kiss" sounds are in the wastebin of history now, but there are some "Clang", "Ricochet" and "Falling down a deep well" noises I'm working on. I think the insert chip breaker is confused because the chips are leaning the wrong way.
@vincei4252
@vincei4252 2 года назад
I'd hazard most of the world isn't from Lincolnshire 😁
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
Lincolnshire is the best* 0.005% of the land surface of the earth and only a mere 99.99% of the human population of the Earth doesn't have the great good fortune to live there. Sadly, that includes me. I live in Yorkshire, which is God's Own County if the locals are to be believed. They are of course, entirely mistaken in that belief, but it's best to nod and smile and humour them. * for certain highly-specialized definitions of "best"
@johnmiddleditch3656
@johnmiddleditch3656 2 года назад
I don't mean to be rude especially as I enjoy your videos. But . . . . . When I watch you machining things I find myself involuntarily shaking my head. LOL I too use Drill service and on sunny days it's a nice trip on my motorbike using the back lanes. Not only are they nice people but they're very knowledgeable.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
Bear in mind that I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing and have probably picked up appalling habits from watching youtube videos. My only training in machine shop work was a six week intro course at the Post Office Factories in Birmingham in 1976. Give it ten years and I might have it worked out. Machining is just something I do like coding or radio engineering or electronics fabrication or chemistry or dressmaking or basketmaking or carpentry or maths. I'm rubbish at most of them apart from basketmaking, but somehow it doesn't seem to matter much. I must remember to post more disclaimers about "don't follow me, I'm lost" or "don't do things the way I do unless you are extremely desperate and have a similarly-twisted risk appetite"
@johnmiddleditch3656
@johnmiddleditch3656 2 года назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves I don't mean to belittle your achievements as you actually do things I've never done. I'm always up to learn new things and there is no hard and fast rule that fits everything. I belong to a model engineering site and I'm frequently called out for things I do despite being time served. Your ten years might not be enough. I passed my zenith a long time ago and after 60 years of scratching away at metal I'm rapidly tending towards zero. Meanwhile, your radio engineering baffles me completely. It's a pity we live so far apart as I feel our skills would be complimentary. 🙂
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
I just receive my model engineering magazine. The work in some of the features in there is hugely impressive. Modelmakers and watch/clockmakers have my immense respect for their skills
@johnmiddleditch3656
@johnmiddleditch3656 2 года назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves My favourite thing is making and remaking and remaking etc. I made eight return cranks before I made a pair I liked so progress here is slow. Have you ever seen any of Cherry Hinds work? The first time for me I just wanted to go home and throw everything out and start again. Exquisite doesn't cover it.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
I saw some pics of Royal Chester some time ago, that was pretty breathtaking.
@MuellerNick
@MuellerNick Год назад
Doing it this way distorts the flank angle of the thread. Effectively, you are cutting a RH thread with a LH tool. Look at the mfg's informartion to find out that you would need a different (negative) sub plate under the insert. But I bet you even don't know about the plate under the insert.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves Год назад
On larger pitch inserts it would certainly matter, but on these tiny 0.5mm pitch 1/4 inch inserts, the helix angle is so small that the inserts are ground symmetrically and the toolholder is neutral and has no shim. For coarse pitches or smaller diameter to pitch ratios, I'd have to use a negative shim on a larger toolholder, or grind a suitable tool, but for an M12 x 0.5 thread with a helix angle of 0.76 degrees, the clearances on either side of these inserts is greater than the helix angle.
@MuellerNick
@MuellerNick Год назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves You should educate yourself.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves Год назад
@@MuellerNick Interesting. Are you saying the spec of these inserts is incorrect then? I checked the clearance angles to make sure they really were symmetrical. I even set them up on a surface plate and checked them with a 2 micrometre DTI to confirm. Definitely symmetric. Definitely a neutral pocket on the tool and no shim for these tiny 0.5 mm inserts.
@heybabycometobutthead
@heybabycometobutthead 2 года назад
Spider catcher 😐
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
Oh MAN! Just think of the noise of a spider walking on that membrane. I have some spiders living in the kitchen and study that I feed on house flies. Perhaps I'll persuade one of them to walk on the foil instead of up my arms. Their feet are so COLD. I bet they'd make a really interesting noise. Here spidey spidey, come to Neil.....
@heybabycometobutthead
@heybabycometobutthead 2 года назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves Where did you get that lathe Chuck spider?
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
@@heybabycometobutthead I think it came direct from Edge Technology, possibly via their Amazon.com page. I don't think it was from a local supplier. There is a link in the description. If you want to save money, the trick is to buy a spare frame and just one set of parallels, plus the plastic centering part. You don't get a box, but it saves a fortune.
@heybabycometobutthead
@heybabycometobutthead 2 года назад
@@MachiningandMicrowaves I clicked on the link, it took me to a literal spider catcher device, I thought it was a joke 😂
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
@@heybabycometobutthead That WOULD have been a superb joke... If I pretend to be from Sudbury MA, it says £149.99 with $21.33 carriage
@chloehennessey6813
@chloehennessey6813 Год назад
So where’s the cute woman in the thumb?
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves Год назад
0:56 14:53 28:36 for instance. AIMEE is a storytelling construct similar to the role of The Narrator in classical Greek plays. The image is from a Generative Adversarial Network, where one computer process generates an image and another assesses whether that image looks human. A computer's idea of what another computer would be unable to confirm as artificial. AIMEE's voice is generated using the phoneme extensions in the Google Text-to-Speech API with some custom speed/pitch settings and embedded emphasis directives. AIMEE represents some strong women from my past. The Big Sister I never had, one of my infant school teachers, an ex-manager and a bit of my late wife. AIMEE's role has developed over the last year and is a way for me to defuse moments when I could end up sounding unspeakably smug having hit a tolerance. Because I'm British and from the 1950s, self-criticism, self-deprecation and apologetic embarrassment when I do something successfully are somewhat embedded into my psyche. AIMEE is a coping mechanism. I don't use pronouns to define that image as human or gendered, and that is deliberate.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves Год назад
I think AIMEE's time on thumbnails has come to an end. That image served to tie my thumbnails together in earlier days, but has now run its course. AIMEE will still appear during videos when I need my ego deflating or to explain my shortcomings and defective reasoning and lack of subject knowledge or situational awareness. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to have a strategic rethink
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