Tier Lists Are WRONG, CN Players Are RIGHT? 

Calcharo sucks bro. No interrupt resistance. Actually bad.

Lmao, on a fundamental concept level I can see what you were going for, but you have missed the fact Prydwen not only does their tierlists with team comps in mind, but also has an extreme amount of nuance to their damage calcs. For example, a Jinhsi Yinlin Verina team is not nearly as simple as adding Yinlin's dps to Jinhsi's. You need to take into account how much field time Yinlin takes, how much damage she does within that time, and what buffs she can carry over. These calculations need to be done in a per X amount of time rotation. I'll give you an example, if you can pop in with Yanwu, click attack, slam down e, and press Q for the turtle buff, you take a mere 2-3 seconds, then you can buff up with Verina and bring all those buffs to Jinhsi for her massive rotation. If you have Yinlin instead and you arent uber quick swaping her, it might take a bit longer, lets say 6 seconds to get her forte circuit going. Then while she provides more powerful coordinated attacks some of that value is lost since Jinhsi will have less buffs and less damage herself. Now we'll go to Calcharo. Where's the mention of two obviously glaring issues, 1 that his full dps relies on getting 3 Death's Messengers off, and 2 Yinlin's outro buffs dissappear if you swap cancel. With those factors in mind there's even a good argument for bumping him down to T1 lmao. Though I wouldn't go that far. I suspect he'll be the first unit everyone drops because he feels like ass to play. This factor is fully acknowledged in the Prydwen write ups, which warn players how technical you have to be to unleash his full potential. I could easily make a video saying the opposite of most of what you're saying and it would make just as much sense. Tl;dr Prydwen tierlists do account for team comps and technical details. Speculative total team comp damage needs to be backed up by calcs to have weight.

you had me at the 1st half until you said calcharo is T0. just because yinlin buffs are tailor made for him, it doesn't mean it fixes his issues. a well built calcharo still struggles and MOSTLY don't even 3 star the stage 4 of TOA even with electro buffs and Yinlin buffs. one might say skill issue until you need to dodge something multiple times with him :)

oh bruh no shade but this is some crazy misinfo. calch yinlin 1st? jinhsi yuanwu 3rd? bruh you can 3 star the hardest part of TOA with s0 jinhsi and you can't do any of that with calcharo yinlin even given the best build. calcharo is just that bad

calcharo glaze is crazy, i used to main him but he is dog water, if he gets interupted hes mid, jinshi in jiyan are in their own tier

I don't wanna say anything against the video.. but if we are talking about "team dps" Then you should know you can't just add calcaro 32k dps with yinlin's 58k dps.. The correct calculation will be different since now it's overall rotation dps.. so where yinlin's team dmg per rotation is 219k and calcharo's 389k.. calcaro have 12 seconds rotation field time yinlin have 4 seconds To calculate their exact dps, you have to add both (389k+219k) ÷ (12+4) Because total dmg per rotation ÷ total time taken per rotation= total dps of a team.. considered that their dps ends up being only 38-39k.. If you dont trust me, you can think again.. youre just adding their dps based on their oersonal field time hut we are talking about overall team dps right? So isnt it a big difference? Yinlin's personal dps was 58k because her rotation is like 3.7-4 seconds but because of overall team rotation time its being divided by 16 seconds right? I hope youll read my comment and reply me.. cuz this video made me think again cuz that's hiw we calculate the dps in practical way

Those numbers are just simulation on some fixed stats (mentioned in the page) and the text on the page already says not to compare these numbers between characters. The people at Prydwen make their tier list based on a lot of factors not just these numbers. Some of which you can see in the changelog

Dang, I didn't understand at the end who is better and which one is better and what is the final tier list.

liked the video generally speaking but you made a couple weird statements i dont think i would agree with. for example about jinhsi falling off in longer fights. makes no sense to me. her per rotation dmg stays the same. its no difference to execute her teams rotations while stacking forte compared to lets say stack outro and liberation on your mortefi in a jiyan team or whatever. not everybody has that but at s3 she will actually do more dmg in longer fights after rotation 1 or 2 with another 50% atk. you mentioned changlis outro being fusion and skill while its fusion and liberation. theres also something off with your thoughtprocess about team dps. calcharo and yinlin for example. the way i understand prydwens calculations is that the yinlin dps is her personal burst window. thats not taking into count her coordinated attacks while being offield. you would have to combine calcharos total rotation dmg und the time needed with yinlin, get the total rotation time and add the coordinated attacks for the calcharo/verina up time. last thing to add. you were saying at around 22 minute mark that both encore/sanhua and calcharo/yinlin are considered stronger than jinhsi for most content. i play all three of those as my 3 teams and i have to hard disagree. everything i do feels easier with jinshi compared to the other teams.

The only real downside to Chalcaro is him losing stacks when dodging during UL mode eapecially when facing endgame bosses. I struggle to get 2 death messenger consistently. This in turns lower his dmg output by a huge margin as that is where most of his dmg comes from. Not to mention the subpar dmg reduction from skill tree. They should make it atleast 35-40 dmg reduction or smthg.

I can see where you are coming from, but Calcharo (66 crit rate, 230 crit damage) is not T0 and this is coming from a dude who runs him with Yinlin (signature weapon, 75 crit rate with 260 crit damage ) and Verina, he cannot keep up with my Jinshi (shares the standard braodblade with Calcharo) team with level 40 taoqi and Wenwu on no investment. As much as I love Calcharo, getting his 3 death messengers off is really inconsistent, his damage just is not there when you miss that 1 death messenger. I play on mobile and Jinshi without max stat every rotation still clears tower way more consistently. Coping that they buff Calcharo XD

Yeah, they have some videos that go into depth on how they male the tierlist on prydwen and it has a lot of team comps taken into consideration for the rankings.

Calcharo can’t full combo in hologram unless Broken so his full damage is almost impossible to achieve unless you can trade with the boss

Calcharo-Yinlin was the first team I learned and is my most well-practiced team. Makes me play everything rapid quickswap and tbh I've been able to come up with rapid quickswap rotations for jinhsi yuanwu taoqi. She's easily the fastest quickswap dps.

Respectfully there is like 2% of people who care about direct synergy and sharing issues. Jinhshi makes better use of Yinlin, not Calcharo, case closed. If we had a garbage Electro 4 star who did close to no damage, but they had a passive which said all their damage is considered Liberation damage, then that character would be the best 'synergy' with Yinlin, would you still use Yinlin there? Absolutely not. Rest of the critisms are fine but the 'no sharing' rule is just being dumb. Sure we need 3 teams, but u can play Jinhshi+Yinlin/Jiyan+Mortefi/Encore+Sanhua or Changli/ Havoc Rover+Danjin. I liked Calcharo a lot but his clunkiness doesn't justify him having synergy with Yinlin. And XinagliYao has powercrept the synergy anyways.

I Do think Tier Lists need to Evolve 1) Have A S0 Tier List (base line) 2) Also Access to a 4star S6, 5Star S0+ Signature.Tier List 3) Best Team List With Damage Comparison as shown by Bar Graph(Love how you took Yinlin off Jinshi Team as she helps other teams more)* If I had Access to all Elements of this information simultaneously I could make better teams and realistically know how they Compare vs the others. Showing Damage Calcs from (Jinshi/Yuanwu) vs (Encore/ Sanhua) vs (Jiyan/Mortefi) vs (Xiangli Yao/Yinlin) is really something I wish Tier lists would Focus more on. You could almost make the Argument that their should be a paired Tierlist list with the pairings above instead of Singular Character Lists

So a lot of what I'm getting from this video is that there are so many variables, including weapon and what not that factors into character placements and even team builds. Dang, TCers must be having a rough time with all of this. Also, in relation to the Calcharo team. How does the buffing line up w/ having to swap out of Calcharo DMs to protect him? I'm assuming the team damage drastically drops if you have to swap out of Calcharo's stuff.

Yinlin with Calch is still better on greedy personal electro set than moonlit. Moonlit makes Calch better, but Yinlin loses more dmg than Calch gains. Also, its not about CN is better, it's about doing proper math, regardless who you are so long as it interests you.

I found a team, where you can use the 3 star gauntlet that gives you a heal for dodge countering, you can use that on Yuanwu, give him the healing ser, Yinlin on standard moonlit sonata and then Jinhsi, thats the fastest way of getting stacks for her her Rn

We are infact not running 44111 on jinshi for 100% crit rate... yk.. diminishing returns😧💀🫢

Yup i build jinhsi with 43311 . Cr 102% with food buff And only Cdm 230% 2k att. It's consistently gave me good damage

My ToA teams are: 1. Jiyan, Mortefi, Verina. 2. Jinshi, Yinlin, Baizhi. 3. Havoc Rover, Danjin, Taoqi.

HOW TF CALCHARO IS AT T0.5 I seriously think he's below! and he has a lot of Issues with his skill + skill issue player.

Changli is fusion and liberation damage outro buff. Encore makes use of only half of the buff. Zhezhi buffing Jinshi, Changli and maybe Encore is going to be a huge shake up to the tierlists. Calcharo being replaced (for free) by the new electro DPS is nice considering the gameplay faults in Calch's design.

i dont think this guy plays jinshi

calcharo+yinlin teams suck because of calcharo and yinlin as well because you need to have very good echos on yinlin as well. and sanhua s6 does help encore a lot, you just need to always skill+ultimate+heavy, then swap to whatever you need and when you swap back to sanhua you always have conerto ready, does not happen without s5. The smoother your rotation, the easier everything gets, this matters a lot. I've seen a few monkey 3star clears with teams like jinshi+yanwu, danjin+rover, encore+sanhua, didnt see any calcharo+yinlin (i mean like low spender accs), the 1 that i saw was clear with 2 min, 40 sec left, that claimed that calcharo+yinlin is just not enough dmg for now. When encore+sanhua can clear this pretty easily once you have proper investment, eventhough toa libertation/skill dmg buff is not greeat for that team and is great for yinlin/calcharo.

I know you said you're learning Calcharo but I think you'll learn soon enough if not already by now that he is not as good as you're saying. Playing perfectly isn't even really a thing when you can get interrupted so easily. Like yeah if you do with a calculations and don't actually play the game then it might seem like you could hit those three death messengers every time. But in reality it almost never happens against a boss. Compare that to Jiyan who never misses a rotation, ever. Once the new electro guy comes out who just so happens to use every single stat that Calcharo does so you can just move your gear over to him, Calcharo will basically be completely crept out of the game due to the fact that we're getting him for free.

you had no idea How powerful jinshi is jiyan is the only one close to her dmg

Encore same problem as calcharo if enemy is standing still and u have to dodge ur dmg gets cut down.

calcharo yin lin is so damm cope. I bet you 100% you did not do any outside caculation at all. Field crafting is not testing. please dive into the number , instead of just trust me bro bs

"But if youre not using yinlin because youre using her with calcharo" nah man i just dont have yinlin

Sigh calcharo really fell off But it has to come, if the buff wasnt lost on swap cancelling , then calcharo and yinlin team would have higer dps then jinhsi and yinlin Thad would be completely broken considering jinhsi is completely broken and would probably be meta for like a year

Just wanted to add, Ages of Harvest is way better than any other 5 star weapon on Calcharo. You actually do use skill very often throughout his rotation and you do quite a bit more damage with echos with the same substats when comparing both I run ages of harvest on my Calcharo runs. I was able to 3 star clear the thundering mephis in tower on my channel if you wanna check it out

i think their list is right

I REALLY like your video style bro, subbed :D

Not a single word about LingYang ( I am just sad honestly they made him hard to play with not that good DPS, i hope in the future we will get better gauntlets for him as well as Supports

What weapon is Encore using in that 2.95 score?

Verina best character

You are completely wrong lmao, you can not add the dps and take it like that

The thing wrong with tier lists is that there is no fun involved. Yeah that can't be objective so it makes sense but like... comparing jinshi and changli for example. Changli is like the most interactive and active character in the game which would make me wanna play the game more while jinshi can make some people quit the game because how repetative she is. I am not against tier lists but people's attitude towards them. Waifu over meta isn't a meme. Pull based on Style&Gameplay, you're likely going to quit the game the moment you save up and pull for meta. (Not hating on jinshi btw. She is just an ideal example since she is back to back with changli)

Thanks for the video. I made sure to like and sub, CN bros do be cooking

Jinhsi bering able to compete with a dps+sub dps together is still op.. And you need to consider jiyan, calcaro, encore's most of dmg comes from their RL where if you dont have er youre fked up.. where with jinhsi's ult doesn't really matter you're spamming her rotation again and again. Plus her time stop is insanely good in tower since when shes dealing her dmg she stops the timer and the enemy If you look at that 13 seconds on jinhsi rotation, if you remove the time stopper, it'll be around 7-8 seconds on tower's timee.. Considering all these, with most optimal rotations.. jinhsi is still very overpowered.. however with zhezhi, jinhsi's team dmg will increase further due to skill dmg deepen, coordinated attacks, energy restoration will not only increase her skill nuke but also let her use her burst more often which is even more dmg

Lmao imagine putting Chixia THE HOLOGRAM KILLER in the same level as lingyang.

Excellent points and explains why Prydwen calcs sometimes seem off (I also love them so no shade) - I can see how it would start to get complicated to evaluate every character with all the different team members that can buff them but they already kind of do that in the team building section, so even if they showed comparison calcs between the absolute best support vs one most people have, that would give you a better sense of DPS potential. I wish tier lists included both S0 & S6 4* and that they wouldn't dismiss niche buffers AND that they included limited 5* rankings WITH or without signature - DPS tier lists should be about the ceiling of a character - a separate list can be made for easy/comfy to play or best for limited resources, etc.....but going for signature weapons is FTP in this game because it's guaranteed at 80 pulls so you can skip a character for a sig weapon easily. The whole point of tier lists is so you can plan ahead....If I see that a character with their sig weapon is significantly stronger than another, then I can plan to save up for the weapon in the future and realize that my dmg might be a bit lower for a while until then

bro said -calchro is t0 bro said he is the best dps at 28:37 , mean while every tierlist droped him at least one tier -jiyan will clear stuff faster than jhinsi -yinlin is the best unit in the game "i agree if he said the most versatile" -YINLIN CALCHARO BEST TEAM IN THE GAME 'HIGHEST DPS' -encore sanhua out DPS jhinsi -with sequence yinlin s6 (yinlin cal) is best team in the game , yet if yinlin have sequence she doesnt want calcharo cuz s6 make her do dmg on auto attck so she want field time -yinlin buff in increase calc damage by 60% 30:27 he acully said 60 percent -it took u 27mins to say u dont even play calchro at 26:42, YET UR GIEVING ADVICE ON HOW STRONG IS HE ,step bro even the mains know how clunky he can be

I actually tried 44111 on Jinshi. It's just horrible. What the point of 100% cr if you lose all your damage in the process? So right now i have my Jinshi build standart 43311 with 1 spectro 3 and 1 atk 3. With cr food i reach something like 95% cr on 270% cd while having 2.1k atk. And it's just amazing. Ofc i use Jinshi's signature weapon and Yinlin + Verina in that team. Absolutely planning to get painter girl for Jinshi to free Yinlin for my other teams

i think prydwen tier list is ok, the sun tier list requires us to do the right combo every second so i think overall prydwen is more accurate

i was making a list of the stuff that u said that was wrong after 4 i gave up i aint type all that

i’m still gambling on the fact that there’s gonna be a “zhongli” character in the future that can let calcharo do anything he wants and be T0

the amount of people who dont understand nuance in tier list is insane.

The tier lists in WuWa should be based on “cool” factor by collecting votes of the community. Cuz power/efficacy wise - Players are solo-ing D6 Tempest Memphis with S0 Lingyang. So it’s all about individual skills, since every DPS/Sub-Dps can clear D5+ Holograms.

Holy yap

TL DR - "You guys are amassing but I knew better" And what, do you bring some actuall formulas, calcs, spreadsheets or gameplay video about some specific mechanics? No, just bla-bla-bla. Thx, but not recomend videos from this channel anymore.

Nah

Dumb video. Literally zero logical reasoning. Mofo only put personal feeling over logical thinking. Calcharo has so much flaw and nowhere even t0