Tiger King: The Problem with True Crime

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Footage and partial audio: Provided to RU-vid by Netflix, Inc.
I think this is an interesting quote by Rebecca Chaiklin that really shows how they viewed their participants: "We were blessed in this project in having subjects that were obsessed with filming themselves. Narcissism was a common thread, and all of them constantly wanting to be on camera was every filmmaker’s dream,” Chaiklin said. “So there was this plethora of footage, and it was just the gift that kept on giving for us." (Indie Wire 2020)
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@BroeyDeschanel 4 года назад

EDIT: Hey everyone: I've been seeing a lot of comments saying "but I didn't get the idea that Joe was a hero, they're all equally bad". While that may be true for you, there are still many many other people who came away rooting for Joe, thinking he was framed! And leaving with the take that they are "equally bad" is just as harmful - since Joe is actually MUCH worse than they present - but we don't get a sense of that from watching. Maybe if he wasn't portrayed as "equally" or less bad than the others as people seem to be purporting, we wouldn't be getting stuff like this: www.change.org/p/donald-j-trump-donald-trump-free-the-tiger-king

@MozTS 4 года назад

Broey Deschanel big cat rescue is dope, cant blame carole for cashing out on her dead drug runner husband

@selty 4 года назад

Insider just made a comprehensive article about what the show got wrong about BCR: www.insider.com/tiger-king-truth-carole-baskin-big-cat-rescue-2020-4 (Thank you for adding your voice)

@AmateurContendr 4 года назад

Incredible video. I don't even have a strong opinion about the show, I was just amazed by your writing. As someone who watches lot of video essays I can't wait to see more from this channel.

@JoshuaJayMusic 4 года назад

You are 100% incorrect about most of these details there are many many links showing that a Carroll does make a profit and does charge money for people to see the cats

@soyboysupreme6190 4 года назад

Charging money for entry doesn't mean she's making profit. Big cats are very expensive to care for and feed, the money has to come from somewhere and charging an entry fee is anything but immoral. Also, what links disprove her claims and what are your sources on these details?

@leninope9678 4 года назад

Lol, It was edited in Joe's favour and still managed to make him seem so unlikable. I can only imagine, how much worse he is in reality.

@sorrenblitz805 4 года назад

Shooting a horse dead minutes after telling the previous owner he'd take good care of her horse is pretty goddamn evil man

@vazzaroth 4 года назад

I think this really fell into the "Both sides are equal" problem that America has, and it seems terminal. There are two groups, both have some level of crazy out of 100, but it's too hard to draw a distinction what OK crazy and NOT OK crazy are, so the media says "Yea, they're both crazy! Wow." and leaves it at that. Rather than "They're both crazy, but here's the facts that explain why Crazy party A is doing more harm than crazy party B, while B is still crazy and bad." Basically, whether true or not, the media seems to think every audience is too dumb to understand any nuance. There is either a winner and a loser, or "it's too close to call". That's the only outcome available. I see this multiple times a day in American discourse... I have no idea if this is how it works outside of this terrible place. News, Politicians, Twitter fights, reality TV, people I talk to IRL, Facebook walls... this inability to accept reality (which is frequently shades of gray, without even a single example of pure good or evil to use as a base, since there is no such thing. Just various perspectives) permeates every problem facing the world.

@lilyp396 4 года назад

Super Wukongo Didn’t he also use a ton of racial slurs that they had to edit out or sum

@ladygrey4113 4 года назад

@@lilyp396 You're correct, the makers did an interview where they said this point blank

@selty 4 года назад

The fact they edged out of actually addressing the fact he burned a building with alive crocodiles in it. Actual proof.

@quackyart6268 4 года назад

the worst part is that the suffering of the animals is largely ignored. And because of the show's success, we can expect similar businesses to gain more traction, either by fans wanting to be part of the experience, or by networks looking to cover another Joe Exotic. We can also expect many more poorly done documentaries coming out soon. This won't just hurt the people and animals involved, but countless more.

@wafflefalafel9442 4 года назад

Sofia Baldini I got super bored with the documentary because I thought it was going to be more about the tigers and animals and when I saw it was all maniacal human drama I was like “what is this? Is no one going to talk about the big cats or is Joe’s country music more important??”

@SabrinaRina 3 года назад

I couldn't watch it after that first snow leopard in the van. I said nope and shut it off. Tigers and polar bears are my favorites and I just can't even get into the human drama that overshadows the real injustice because animals don't have voices and personalities for TV. They're just props. It's hard enough to watch this, but at least I trust Broey to be talking about some real issues, not just "damn, you see this show?"

@Droemar 3 года назад

@@SabrinaRina The tigers were heartbreaking. They're one of my favorite animals, too. And the tone-deafness of the documentary was pretty incredible.

@walkergibbs6984 3 года назад

It definitely has caused more people to go to these kind of places. Two people I have added on Snapchat have posted pictures and videos of themselves going to joe’s place (I have no idea what it’s called haven’t watched the show). I live in Texas.

@miss_conduct. 3 года назад

Well, there are shit ton of vegans now in the world. They are gonna fucking wreak havoc if these businesses get traction... and PETA gets shit ton of millions of dollars of donations which gives them power to shut down this kinda shit. They already shut down thousands of labs and farms. So don't worry. It's gonna be a very short-lived trend.

@orangesky8864 4 года назад

The disproportionate public hatred of Carole is unbelievably frustrating to me. IF she killed her husband, she should be charged, yes, but I simply cannot comprehend how people GENUINELY think they can determine her guilt based on an inherently biased documentary, but then claim that people like Joe who have been CONVICTED of serious crimes should be let free.

@deffonotdio6751 4 года назад

The evidence that Carol killed her husband was around before the show, however the show its self is heavily bias

@Proto-Martyr 4 года назад

I dislike her not because she might have killed her husband, but by the way she presents herself as being the morally better person and yet she still has all those animals trapped. She prentends she has an animal shelter but she's a breeder and the conditions of her "shelter" are horrible. Hell, my dog lives in better conditions than those poor animals.

@carlosandleon 4 года назад

That Bitch

@nelsonth 4 года назад

@@Proto-Martyr the conditions of her shelter are not "horrible". Tiger King manipulated you into thinking they were. Hers is one of the few GFAS accredited sanctuaries in America for big cats, for which they have to submit to periodical site visits. Tiger King showed feeding cages attached to bigger enclosures portraying them as the actual living space. Big Cat Rescue houses those animals which can't be returned to the wild, and those that can be, they have done so, like bobcats. They don't breed or conduct petting tours. Audited records show they got only 37% of their revenue from tours and merch. The only other option would be to kill the big cats that cannot be acclimatised in the wild. Which many conservationists disagree with.

@wafflefalafel9442 4 года назад

orangesky My sister made me watch the show and she was genuinely surprised when I said I didn’t see why she despised Carole but liked Joe. I told her that Joe is just as egotistical as the rest of them and that they all use animals to their own benefit. My sis didn’t come around but she did admit that she was influenced by Joe’s oddness and “wacky charm”. I don’t get it. I don’t like Carole and I think she’s very two sided but at least she knows that Tigers shouldn’t be bred and sold and that Joe’s zoo is unethical.

@kodidelaney9608 4 года назад

The more that I read up on the Baskin case, the more I become frustrated at just how much stuff the show left out. Anything that puts any doubt on her is not shown at all. The fact that her husband was a runner with the Mexican mafia, that he sometimes piloted airplanes and helicopters drunk, made frequent unannounced trips. Not to mention that he wasn't rich until he and Carole began their business, so the fortune the ex wife was trying to get wasn't even theirs. Like, so much stuff was redacted to make Carole seem like more of a monster.

@nycto5335 4 года назад

Ikr! Also how they make Big Cat Rescue seem just as bad as Joe's zoo when BCR is an actually accredited sanctuary. It's such a bad show.

@ryanfuller4401 4 года назад

@@nycto5335 a good show but a bad documentary. Within a couple years all documentarys will be like this and that makes me genuinely sad.

@miamafalda1118 4 года назад

Fat agree lol. She's obviously not a complete saint or anything like that, and she is certainly suspicious, but to say she definitely killed her husband with shaky evidence at best and no trial is ridiculous.

@Zeverinsen 4 года назад

I'd say: Don't pick any sides. We don't know the truths, but it's quite obvious that none of them are angels, to put it ikke that.

@miamafalda1118 4 года назад

@@darby3228 Completely agreed!!!

@luckyturtle6449 4 года назад

you forgot to mention how the show producer is in the exotic animals' trade himself too, he is in the turtles trafficking market and Carole's bill threatens his business.

@jaybee4118 4 года назад

Who is that?

@luckyturtle6449 4 года назад

@@jaybee4118 Eric Goode and he has what he calls turtle conservancy where he breeds and trades turtles basically.

@worrywirt 4 года назад

Lucky turtle omg that’s crazy He basically finessed this case for his own benefit

@luckyturtle6449 4 года назад

@@worrywirt exactly :)

@pippetandpossum 4 года назад

Could you give more info? I'm a reptile hobbyist, I know a lot a lot a lot of people with turtles and tortoises who keep them as pets and or breed them

@tylerf.145 4 года назад

I've seen people on social media """stan""" Joe Exotic. I dont think that people realized that he lured and manipulated teenage boys into working for him by fueling their drug addictions. He is an evil person and I dont understand how anyone could watch the show and root for him knowing all the bad things he's done.

@lakriz116 4 года назад

I even saw shirts for sale with "Free Joe Exotic" on them. Like he is being unfairly imprisoned.

@theeternalchronicler3072 4 года назад

Charisma is a hell'va thing.

@vittocrazi 4 года назад

@@lakriz116 i dont want him free. but a lot of other people involved should be imprisoned as well.

@user-sm1bi5ix6l 4 года назад

@@theeternalchronicler3072 is that even charisma tho? Someone blabbering and not treating the BS they utter as BS is having charisma?

@georgewilson7432 4 года назад

People, especially the most mediocre Joe schmucks, hace a tendency to glorify evil. I guess they imagine themselves living of decadente and infamous exploits instead of the pai fully boring existences the live.

@mischr13 4 года назад

I appreciate you bringing up Travis' death. I didn't like the way they covered it. Horrific to think of the family having to see the footage.

@klown463 4 года назад

Mischa Romo who cares about Travis’s family? They let him go to that zoo in the first place and suffer that abuse but they wanna cry now because of a show? Screw their feelings

@slimesama4264 4 года назад

Klown fitting name. You should learn some empathy .

@fury5500 4 года назад

@@klown463 Travis is a fucking adult, there wasn't much they can do.

@Jvk1166z 4 года назад

i didnt find it particularly shocking, and oh boo hoo some people i didnt know existed before this might be hurt by it. though, i have a pretty tough stomach and asperger’s, so usually im not a very good empathy barometer.

@bigmona2741 4 года назад

The family did NOT have to watch it

@totalyunsober 4 года назад

The creators of Tiger King had an obvious agenda and people ate it right up. Scary.

@shocknawe 4 года назад

Check this out: The people behind the documentary purposely put a giant industrial meat grinder on screen when talking about Carole Baskin's grinder ----- which in reality , was a tiny normal kitchen meat grinder. Carole's former husband had ties with criminal groups in Costa Rica, and was a notoriously bad AND reckless air pilot. Like, it was widely known that he was bad and made a ton of bad decisions when flying. Him crashing his plane or being murdered overseas is far from farfetched. Also, the tiny cages that get a ton of focus at her sanctuary place are to facilitate the introduction of newly acquired animals to their new enclosure and to ease feeding.

@OfficialCANVAS Год назад

party pooper

@alim.9801 10 месяцев назад

See I didn't know any of this, thank you!!

@GreatFlamingEyebrows_ 4 года назад

The most heartbreaking part of the documentary was the footage of Travis’ mother at his funeral having to watch as Joe made the whole event about himself. In a meta way this is kind of the way that the documentary behaves. Using the tragic suicide of an abused individual to add to its own spectacle.

@goosekee3255 3 года назад

it was so disrespectful seeing joe talk about his balls in the eulogy for travis, especially when he only got travis to “love” him with intense, nonstop drug highs. then singing awfully in front of everyone.. it looked more like a mini church meet up than a funeral. it was all so disgusting.

@superstraight8402 2 года назад

She was tweaking she barely knew wtf was going on much less what was being said. She shouldn’t have been geeked at her kids funeral.

@piranha5506 4 года назад

Something curls inside me in anger and frustration every time I see a part of that “documentary” by Shane Dawson. Being RU-vid famous doesn’t mean you can make a documentary, especially when it’s clear you haven’t opened a book on the subject. Bland and sensationalist.

@XeroxBox1 4 года назад

I think the RU-vid video "existencial horror of Shane Dawson" sums it pretty good.

@dangernoodle9961 4 года назад

I agree. So pretentious

@qvaken8142 4 года назад

Yep. It was over-the-top and boring as shit at the same time.

@L16htW4rr10r 4 года назад

I agree with you. Especially his Logan Paul one.

@whyarepeoplesubscribedtome 4 года назад

Stfu

@jordanrodriguez7502 4 года назад

No one involved in making Tiger King paid attention in ethics in journalism 101 lol

@reginawarburton3255 4 года назад

Because no such concept exists in journalism

@mattko 4 года назад

We just came for the shitshow

@Wheelmass 4 года назад

Cause this isn’t journalism it’s entertainment.

@Artbug 4 года назад

No one involved in Tiger King paid any attention to ethics

@selty 4 года назад

My friend works for a doco company that is partnered with Nat Geo and let me tell you the angry rants that this show started for her and her co workers. I feel so bad for Big Cat Rescue!

@Lo0serx3 4 года назад

it's so amazing to me how a bunch of people can just say casually "that lady killed her husband" based on the word of someone who is Not Great and misrepresented evidence

@Kadajliger100 4 года назад

Thats how humans are

@TRENCHESandTREADS 4 года назад

Did you not see the parts where people other than Joe were calling her out? Multiple people who knew her husband all came out and said they thought things were suspicious about her and the way he disappeared. You do realize it's possible to hate both Joe and Carol right? Of course the typical viewer femtard who watches this channel tends to not be capable of nuanced thought, so. *shrug

@avacairen 4 года назад

@@TRENCHESandTREADS i mean its not at all possible that these other people were lying as well bc they might or might not have an interest in people hating Carole? One thing that was immediately clear when I watched the series was that I can't fully believe anything that is presented there bc the show obviously did not care one bit about objectivity. you're entitled to not like either but I personally find the witch hunt based on a blatantly biased and senstational show disgusting. (also there is a lengthy statement on the BCR website on the show where court documents are provided that prove that Don's ex-wife and daughters were after more money. I do believe court documents more than this show)

@ryanfuller4401 4 года назад

@@TRENCHESandTREADS you shouldn't believe anything that the show tiger king presented you. You also shouldn't call people "femtards" makes your argument sound immature.

@miamafalda1118 4 года назад

She's definitely suspicious, but people saying that she "definitely killed her husband" is absolutely ridiculous. Her killing him is a possibility for sure, but it has been in no way proven to me that she definitely killed him.

@gladis2646 3 года назад

The simple fact that Carole Baskin is considered the vilain of the story against all the men (Joe Exotic first) is mind blowing to me. She ain’t no angel but we spend an entire episode in a supposed purser

@duchessravenwaves 2 года назад

It's easier to hate women. Same reason we decided Yoko Ono was the villain and not John Lennon, even though he physically and mentally abused her. Society would rather hate a woman. What else is new

@aikikaname6508 2 года назад

Exactly. We had the guy who used cult tactics to exploit young girls into sex servants and a guy whom attempted to hire an assassin. The show never even brought up the fact that her husbands employee whom pointed the finger at her embezzled money from him and had motives to point finger at her, or there was a reason why Carole wasn’t a suspect in spite of her relationship to the deceased

@zes793 2 года назад

@@aikikaname6508 Carole was/is a suspect. It's explicitly stated by the Sherrif's department. She's hated because the other characters (despite their faults) offer charisma. They aren't villains, they're anti-heroes. They've done bad things but we're able to relate to them or like them in other ways. Carole doesn't have that. Her mannerisms and behaviours inspire a deep, primal discomfort in people. She's just "not right". It's almost an uncanny valley type of thing. She emanates this aura of wrongness as if she was an alien mimicking human behaviour in a skinsuit. She's also done plenty of bad things but there are no redeeming qualities apparent when watching her. She's not charming or entertaining or amusing, she's just a Karen who embraces her victimhood, encourages it, then uses it as a bludgeon against her opponents.

@findtherapists 2 года назад

@@duchessravenwaves it's all about the perspective in which you view the situation. With the Beatles as a foursome making music, yoko ono turning up and "breaking up" the band and putting in some objectively awful musical influences she is the villain. If you view having a bunch of tigers and doing meth as the norm, which tiger King premises as normal for these people; the woman who (may have) fed her husband to tigers is the villain. From the view of a normal person John Lennon was an awful person and Joe Exotic is the real criminal and Carole Baskin killing her husband is a wild conspiracy theory.

@findtherapists 2 года назад

@AsainNerdfighter 4 года назад

Amazing video! My doc editing professor was just discussing how there is a trend in "documentary" filmmaking that exploits the series form by dragging out unnecessary storylines for the sake of sensationalism.

@Dorian_sapiens 4 года назад

It's good to hear that at least some of the people teaching this craft are talking about at least some of the ethical issues involved with it!

@herefortheshrimp1469 4 года назад

I was just thinking about how I wish this show had come out while I was still in college and taking doc courses! One of the first things we learned was how, regardless of who they are, there are manipulative tactics that documentarians use to express their bias. Knowing now that they left out how racist Joe was is a great example of that.

@alim.9801 10 месяцев назад

We gotta come up with a word for this kinda sensationalist documtary trend...shockumentary??

@boopdoop991 4 года назад

I thought Tiger King was super entertaining, but I was just seeing it as a documentary about weird, WEIRD big cat people. I never thought of it as true crime, even though that's what it's technically listed as. This is a really great video and it got me to think differently of the show (though I still enjoy it). Btw, I never imagined there would be video essays on Tiger King, but I'm not complaining!

@Sofiaode18 4 года назад

I guess the problem was with the labelling of the show? I also didn't think of it as true crime, only watched it because people were saying that this is an entertaining show about insane people who might as well be GTA sidequest characters, and I love my share of watching crazy hillbillies.

@charlotteroberts 4 года назад

Carol does have paid employees and most non-profits have volunteers. Those comments about it being like an MLM were disappointing.

@BroeyDeschanel 4 года назад

Hi there, I just corrected this in my pinned comment! Let me know if there's anything else I should add.

@charlotteroberts 4 года назад

@@BroeyDeschanel oh that's wonderful. The comment is thoroughly appreciated. Wonderful video by the way. You have a loyal subscriber in me. Keep it up!

@selty 4 года назад

Which demonstrates the ignorance and lack of education from filmmakers who are supposed to know their subject matter smh

@Groves180 2 года назад

@@BroeyDeschanel in the top pinned comments cause I don't see it

@danieljohnston2379 2 года назад

Yes they do, you're right. The volunteer program is run in an unethical manner though regardless of whether it's the standards.

@TimTYT 4 года назад

That's why American Vandal is so great. It's all the good of True Crime without making you feel guilty for being entertained by other people's misery, because it's not true at all.

@leetripp-cox7623 2 года назад

Wait is American vandal not true?

@alim.9801 10 месяцев назад

@@leetripp-cox7623 it is not!

@maki49574 10 месяцев назад

@@leetripp-cox7623 No, because its a parody

@willerpelding9924 28 дней назад

@@leetripp-cox7623 Nope, it's a mockumentary.

@Chachanclas 4 года назад

There was a lot of material kept in TK that felt like filler and ultimately led to no satisfying conclusion. The series throws around this idea that these "rescue center's" act as cults with charasmatic yet deeply flawed people at the helm, with this in mind why wouldn't you expose Joe Exotic as a racist? They had no problem dedicating 2 hours airing Carole Baskin's dirty laundry but draw the line at Exotic being unlikeable. I knew there was something odd about the way the series was edited but this video really puts it all together.

@herefortheshrimp1469 4 года назад

I always wondered why I left the documentary feeling like I didnt like the creators. For some reason I was just mad at them and this video really articulated why!

@killitwithfire5377 3 года назад

I feel like adding in the racism would have been overkill. I mean, they spend 8 episodes airing Joes dirty laundry. They show him making death threats, abusing his animals and his husbands, make an absolute fool of himself through the election campaign and the music videos, commiting arson and hiring a hitman. The „and also he‘s racist“ would have been a huge additional can of worms and might have become a major focal point of the show, considering how important the discussion of racism is, these days. When I read that he said the n-word, I wasn‘t surprised at all, just thought „yup, sounds like Joe“

@wppb50 3 года назад

I mean, at least with their editing, they draw a direct comparison between Carole's sanctuary having volunteer staff (who get color-coded t-shirts based on length of time participating) and Doc's & Joe's creepy exploitative way of keeping desperate people isolated and stuck on-site.

@killitwithfire5377 3 года назад

@Millennial Leftist This is so confusing to me. Like, I kinda get the "Carol killed her husband" stuff but how anyone could watch this show and think Joe Exotic is anything less than a madman who abuses and exploits everything he can find is beyond me. Nothing he does in the entire show is even remotely acceptable, why do people think he doesn't deserve his punishment???

@fibra2241 2 года назад

That's because the shows producer is in the exotic animal industry himself and trades turtles, and caroles bill could put his business in danger...

4 года назад

I watched it all in one sitting. I was horrified by it and yet I couldn’t stop. It was like I was being held hostage by the show and I didn’t like that one bit. I felt extreme discomfort watching the animal abuse and the grooming play out but just couldn’t look away. Loved your essay, though.

@nikherzog9187 4 года назад

Letícia Evelyn i agree! i didn’t like it but kept watching. it wasn’t what i wanted or expected and the lack of address to animal abuse was wildly ignorant

@Ghi102 4 года назад

I never got the impression while watching that Joe was a good person. Heck, threatening to kill someone and mock killing them is absolutely horrible and he does many, many other horrible actions. Let's assume that he was completely setup, it does not excuse any of the actions he has shown during the docu-series, even less the action that probably were not shown. For me it was more a show of "look at those crazy big cat owners" and less true crime.

@Wheelmass 4 года назад

Ghi102 but a lot of people see Joe do that kind of stuff and go “man I wish I could act like that!”

@ladygrey4113 4 года назад

Well there is a reason mock executions are listed when war crimes and torture are being discussed

@thingsnstuff2934 4 года назад

I feel like the creator of this video is taking the "free Joe" movement joke too seriously, tbh. It is a joke. Not a dick. Don't take it so hard. There should have been more focus on the abuse Joe committed, but it was addressed along with Doc and Carole's shady animal abuse claims. The creator also pulled no punches in implying all these people should be arrested for animal abuse crimes as well.

@Zeverinsen 4 года назад

I agree. I never took this show as a serious documentary, and I most certainly didn't think Joe was any better than Baskin or any of the other crazy people on that show.

@TechWechSech 4 года назад

Getting angry at some one who tries to bankrupt you through the tyranny of the government to the point of hiring a hitman is not only understandable, it is ethical for any government restriction is unethical.

@geo-Sai 4 года назад

Yes! This! My god, compared to all the other discussions I've seen on Tiger King, I finally feel like I'm breathing fresh air watching this.

@joodlenoodle1766 4 года назад

I think it's interesting that a lot of people find the "leveling up", 0 payment, and required time per month of volunteers odd or unethical, that's what nearly every kind of rescue does. A horse rescue in my area does that exact thing, city zoos do that, shelters do that.. like why is it confusing to people that volunteers need to be committed and reliable? No one is forcing them to dedicate their time for free.

@TRENCHESandTREADS 4 года назад

"Because everyone else does it makes it okay" This is a form of fallacious reasoning that no adult should be making. You say a horse rescue does that in your area? Then that place is in need of criticizing just as much as Carol's then. The fact of the matter is Carol is running a business first, and a rescue shelter second. It's absurd and reductionist to claim that she's only in it for the well being of animals when you can see the wealth her business brings in. If you're making money as a business then it goes without saying that you should be paying your employees instead of tricking people into working for you because you're "a charity" when that's clearly not the case. As an example, no one expects to get paid when they volunteer at a soup kitchen, but then again, the soup kitchen doesn't rake in large sums of cash from visitors. Carol's zoo (and that's what it is) absolutely does. Joe, Antle, and Carol are all pulling the same scam just with different optics, if you wouldn't give Joe or Antle a pass then you shouldn't be giving Carol either.

@allenbocephus 4 года назад

@@TRENCHESandTREADS you obviously have no idea what accreditation is or how it works. You clearly have an agenda against the "femtards", judging from your previous comment. Get a life....

@vudi2103 4 года назад

@@TRENCHESandTREADS bruh she does it so that the people handling the animals have experience. I've followed big cat rescue (independent of Carol baskin) for a while. If you leave a new volunteer to feed a tiger, they probably will end up setting it free. Big Cat Rescue rlly doesn't bring in that much money??? They said everyone does it because that it is the norm. Police arrest people; that's the norm. It isn't fallacious thinking bruv

@selty 4 года назад

@@vudi2103 One of the filmmakers had the gall to say any animal in a cage should be euthanised when asked about how they depicted Big Cat Rescue. I'd like to see him get out that needle and do it himself - demonstrates what uneducated fools made this thing.

@BR-jt6ny 4 года назад

@@TRENCHESandTREADS I don't know the details of Baskins "business" and I can only assume you know as much as I do when I say that Big Cat Rescue is a non profit organization. That means that any profit gained by admission fees or donations goes toward the upkeep of the organization, and not into Baskin's pocket. It would have to generate a lot of wealth simply because keeping an operation like that running is insanely expensive. Saying that Joe's zoo and Big Cat Rescue are the same, like I've seen a lot of people do, is absolutely ridiculous. However, if you know more about the specifics of the money generated and how it is spent, please enlighten us.

@Muikkukiisseli 4 года назад

even though i liked watching tiger king, after the show i was left feeling like if at any point you were to turn the camera around at the ppl making the show, they would fit right in with the subjects of the show. it's kind of unsettling. also they seem to have omitted a lot of relevant information. i don't know how to word it, but both the creators and the subjects of the show seem eerily similar, like they're just as capable of manipulation and exploitation, just in different ways. idk.

@kittypants950 4 года назад

Oh, yeah, reading up on Eric Goode and his Turtle Conservatory, he definitely seems like a bit of a Tiger King character, just with turtles instead. He talks in an interview about his gotta-catch-em-all mindset with his turtles, going to great lengths to get any types that he doesn't possess yet. He's talked extensively in interviews about how wildlife sanctuaries should just kill all the animals so they're not in captivity, and that the message of the show is to give to wildlife conservationists (you know, like him) instead of animal sanctuaries. There's an old photoshoot of him sitting on a live tortoise and an article from a buddy of his about going to his Turtle Conservatory and being invited to ride them around. Turtle Conservatory's social media pages and website shows a bunch of photos of people manhandling exotic animals for a cool photo. They also they sell the "excess," turtles and tortoises, including endangered species, as pets. They also rely on volunteers and full-time unpaid interns - and unlike the BCR interns, his don't even get a food stipend, and may not even get housing. Just to be clear, such internships are arguably exploitative but seem to be pretty normal for reputable wildlife facilities; people use them to get experience for competitive paid positions in the field. It's just that his show then argues that using volunteer labour and full-time internships makes you a fucking cult. Additionally, I'm not necessarily saying that Goode's conservatory doesn't do good work for species conservation, but unnecessarily handling, riding, and selling off exotic animals makes me think that he isn't nearly so devoted to their welfare and happiness as individuals.

@candelacandela41 4 года назад

Tbh i was so shocked from the scene of travis’ accidental suicide. I couldnt believe they wouldnt show any warning signs or any kind of notice that they were going to show such images. I know there is no blood but i pay very much attention to peoples expression and i know instant trauma when i see it. Disrespectful from every perspective.

@makman13 4 года назад

Yes, that scene was truly stomach-churning and sickening. It was unnecessary.

@charlottesommer1869 4 года назад

Candela Mattera i was so glad that i had watched it with a friend who told me to turn off the sound and look away until he told me the scene was over. But then I still accidentally saw it because someone put the clip in a RU-vid video, ALSO without a trigger warning! I can't believe why people think its okay to just show it to everyone. It's grueling enough even if it doesn't show the person itself and I wish I would have had the choice to never have seen it

@ladygrey4113 4 года назад

Didn't they include it without the permission of his family too? They didn't even know the footage existed. Either way, that's a disgusting thing to include

@AnthPKB 4 года назад

I honestly stopped watching a little bit after that and I haven't been able to finish. It's just,,, so unnecessary to include. I would describe the literal footage of someone shooting themselves and the reaction of the person in the room with them as a little bit more than shocking to me.

@807D14M0ND5 4 года назад

@@AnthPKB Wasn't it just the sound of the gun and the other person's reaction? That's all I saw.

@wickedphant0m 3 года назад

The inclusion of the "Carol killed her husband" subplot was DEFINITELY just for sensationalism, and had nothing to do with the supposed "mission" of the piece. But this was done completely at the direction of Joe, because he devoted his life to fucking with her, which is what lost him his freedom.

@timsopinion 4 года назад

"When you think about it, the show is guilty of the very thing it accuses Joe of doing: abandoning its initial cause for... the spectacle" -- wow! Great video, all around. You have a new subscriber.

@BlackParadeMarcher1 4 года назад

Doc Antle also scared me. Dude's a groomer, yo. I... am also in the small band camp that thinks Carol didn't do it. With how much money the dude had? he could disappear whenever he wants. But I like this dive into 'true crime' as a whole and was upset that not more spotlight was on the actual exotic animal trade and the importance of wild tigers and conservation.

@sonorasgirl Год назад

He is, he’s horrifying and I didn’t like how they sorta glossed over it

@alim.9801 10 месяцев назад

Doc Antle was NOT dragged enough after the documentary came out.

@TheAmazingLee01 4 года назад

Great video, and also thanks for clearing up the bit about how Big Cat Rescue isn't a MLM. Not many people would have made that correction. Something that tipped me off to the inaccuracy of the series when I first watched it was the claim that Joe got 20% of the vote when he ran for governor of Oklahoma. Having lived there at the time, I knew that seemed off, so I looked into it and found that he only got 20% of the Libertarian primary vote. Which was only about 600 people.

@katharinamaria5204 3 года назад

The Amazing Lee I actually remember it as them showing the libertarian primary votes

@Dorian_sapiens 4 года назад

I haven't seen Tiger King. After watching this video, I'd saying branding it as a "docuseries" doesn't change the fact that it's everything wrong with exploitative reality television. It exploits the cast members' personal and interpersonal struggles for entertainment, and it exploits the audience by using deceptive editing to heighten the entertainment. Add to that: it exploits the animals who depend on these people for survival and quality of life. I think watching this show would just infuriate me. Watching this video was entertaining, though!

@dragonetafireball 4 года назад

Yea I don’t like Carol but if you look into it a lot of the people accusing her have reasons to lie like embezzlement and lawsuits. Also people choose to cut out stuff about Joe like him being a massive racist so they can appeal to a wider audience.

@polaroidandroidjeff6383 3 года назад

Why don't you like her? I've not watched tiger king but she came across pretty well in the Louie Theroux documentary

@kirag9509 2 года назад

@@polaroidandroidjeff6383 I didn’t like Carol because she acted like she was better than Joe and Doc - like she was this faultless saint. When I’m reality, she’s just as shitty as the rest of them

@LadyBrady357 3 года назад

I hate how they took carole's husbands line, "my one goal in life is to make this woman happy" and twisted it into something creepy and unnerving...

@SakuraStallion 4 года назад

Tiger King was both a great drama and a bad show. The real victims of the show WERE the Tigers, and the show just does not tell you that. It felt more like accusations to all of the people involved, even if they felt half-asses. (Carol is suspicious, however, I am knowledgable in her acts to know that she's not as shitty as the rest.) The show really wants you to feel sympathetic to Joe and hate everyone else when Joe deserves just as much hate that he was charged with. The memes about the show always felt like Joe was made a martyr when he is in fact, an animal abuser. I didn't like Carol's work with PETA and wish that the was not supported by them, but I can't compare her to Joe when she stopped breeding. Tl;dr Fuck Joe, fuck the myrtle beach guy, and carol baskin isnt as bad as we think she is.

@807D14M0ND5 4 года назад

Does the show need to tell us? Isn't it plainly obvious to almost all watching that this is not ok for the animals?

@alissarowell5121 3 года назад

@@807D14M0ND5 No clearly it wasn’t. How many individuals posted on the #FreeJoeExotic ? Pretty disgusting to me one could even enjoy or even honestly stomach this show. The victims were actually not just tigers, if one pauses to read the humane society report. Many, many, many animals were abused and killed. If the show was originally supposed to be about the exotic animal trade why WOULDN’T they tell their audience about the horrific abuse committed against not just tigers but other animals UNLESS they wanted to manipulate the way the audience felt about Joe and Carol? TLDR; the people who made this show suck as well.

@AndresGomez-ct7qb 4 года назад

Well, I didn't question the documentary (or reality show, let's be real) from a journalistic point of view as an analysis of big cat trade, but I just felt insulted by how they manipulated it into a story. Because A LOT of details would've seemed different if they had stated everything up front. Like Joe grooming young men and him & antle just running cults, as well as leaving out the reality of how much all Joe's staff hates him and how he conned his parents into bailing him out, or how his trolling of Baskins was disturbing, regardless of whether she killed her husband.Jñ Joe only cared about her trying to shut him down, not go on a crusade to solve that murder. EVERYONE who worked at his Zoo said hes a monster and deserves to be in jail. Just from what Kirkham said, that the tigers Joe hung out with were always sedated cause he's terrified of animals, or how the staff knew FOR A FACT he killed tigers. The doc made it seem like it's something that might happen instead of something that 100% took place regularly

@firenze5317 3 года назад

But Joe exotic apparently would have killed about 10 tigers whereas the doc was killing hundreds of them in gas chambers... why isn't the doc in jail ?

@AndresGomez-ct7qb 3 года назад

@@firenze5317 He is, I think. Don't quote me on this, but I'm certain he got arrested last year and got a ton of charges thrown at him

@maxkath8918 4 года назад

Fantastic analysis! You hit the nail on the head on why I couldn’t get behind the show while also finding Joe Exotic super compelling. Well done!

@WolfJulia2001 4 года назад

Ugh thank you. I hate how everyone is hating on Carole when shes not nearly as bad as everyone else in the show. It's honestly insulting. These people are all sheep that dont seem to think for themselves and take the documentary for face-value.

@feermartsant 4 года назад

This was really good and interesting! I haven't watched tiger king myself cause animal abuse makes me really uncomfortable, but this was a really cool video

@TheEmmaHouli 4 года назад

yeah - don't worry, this documentary doesn't care about animal abuse at all!

@sofiapicasso1915 4 года назад

I really don't get what people find so bizarre about Carole's volunteers. I worked with a charity that helped to build houses for impoverished people and I obviously did it for free, and they too had different levels of helpers (the lowest level was going to the streets to get donations, higher levels meant helping build the house itself). And in that charity, just like Carole's, the higher level supervisors did get paid for their work. If they hadn't added the wacky music and the people saying they worked on Christmas (which, btw, I have many Catholic friends who volunteer in Christmas for different charities too), would it really seem so weird?

@klown463 4 года назад

Sofía Picasso so it’s ok for a person to get scammed as long as they volunteer? K

@NatLott420 4 года назад

@@klown463 they could...not volunteer...?

@leec5170 4 года назад

You kind of have to work on Christmas and every other holiday when you are caring for animals, right? A relative has been a volunteer at BCR for 15+ years, and they do have tiered system. They require extensive training (provided for free, by them) to advance up to each level of caring for the cats. It's a safety thing for the volunteers, and an assurance that the cats are getting experienced caregivers. It's a win for all, and because of their excellent training, volunteers get hired to work in well paid positions when they leave BCR. Many people are aware of the quality of their program.

@StarlightPrism 2 года назад

Most of the people making this criticism don't actually know anything about zoos or animal sanctuaries beyond what they heard in Tiger King. Non-profit animal facilities (whether they're zoos or sanctuaries) NEED volunteers to get by. Those places are very expensive to run, and if people want to donate their time and work to a worthy cause, what's wrong with letting them?

@cherrynorthful 4 года назад

This really captures everything that bothered me when I was watching the series and after. Very succinctly put!

@yuurmom7644 4 года назад

i had to stop watching after the second ep because someone (don’t remember who) said that “people shouldn’t be mad we’re breeding tigers because it’s making more tigers!!!” but. they’re being held in captivity. so there’s no point in breeding if they’re not going out into the wild. like what.

@ghostfrequencies 3 года назад

the basis of claims that carole is a hypocrite are on manipulative editing. carole wrote a statement about it on her site; her shelter is accreditted, and she has thousands of acres of land that the animals are freely able to explore. they didn't shoot down carole's credibility so much as manipulate the perception of it.

@veryexciteddog963 4 года назад

Beautiful video! That last sentence kinda tied up everything perfectly. I got chills.

@marycathell6737 4 года назад

Hi first time watcher here! Loved the video. One thing I feel like a lot of people aren't really talking about is when they talk to "animal rights activists" in Tiger King, they don't talk to more reputable organizations in regards to the welfare of animals, Nor any veterinarians who might specialize in exotic medicine. They Interview someone from PETA, A controversial organization in and of itself. In my opinion, I feel like that also takes away a lot of credibility with the film.

@leec5170 4 года назад

They had 5 years worth of access to Dr. Borstein at Big Cat Rescue. They probably had many hours of video of the veterinary care he provided and interviews. Did they use any of it? Nope.

@jam4448 4 года назад

When you mentioned shane and his "documentaries" I quickly looked up your uploads to see if you discussed it. I hope you can make one for that as well because you've raised so many good points in this video!

@JasperJanssen 4 года назад

I must have not been paying attention, because I certainly didn’t have the “Joe was framed” take away. Edit: “Joe’s too stupid to pull this off”. Yes, he’s in jail. He didn’t pull it off.

@twstf8905 4 года назад

Hahaha "So, is Tiger King a passionate call-to-action for the mistreatment of endangered animals?" she asks lol NO, Tiger King is a passionate call-to-action for the mistreatment of Joe Exotic! 🤣 And anyone trying to defend him is arguably JUST as egregious a human being. (If not more so.) Edit; "Abandoning it's initial cause for the spectacle." 👍 That's profound Especially to the particular subject matter. And a perfect sum-up line to end with.

@twstf8905 2 года назад

Apparently I was here watching this, (and leaving witty, clever comments, despite my lack of memory of doing so,) a year ago. 👍😇

@l.walker58 4 года назад

It feels more like a reality show than a documentary

@doughntworry 4 года назад

its a very twisted show, no one should see it as a documentary.

@supervamp78 4 года назад

its literally just filming these people's lives how is it not a documentry

@807D14M0ND5 4 года назад

@@supervamp78 You can completely change a story through edits.

@__DY__ 2 года назад

Unfortunately documentaries don’t have to tell “the truth”, it’s not in the actual definition to do so.

@alico7216 4 года назад

Your video essays are very educational and informative, plus the subject material is relevant which is an added bonus. Good job and good luck.

@TotallyAGoblin 4 года назад

I think they really just went into do the documentary and at the end were like 'wtf do we call this meth induced nightmare....'

@noopa5229 4 года назад

I didn’t feel like the show wanted me to think”Joe Exotic should be released.” I thought he should stay in prison after I watched the whole thing. I also felt a call to action where sanctions need to be placed to limit the ownership of wild cats. For example, the government won’t allow you to own a big cat unless you go though some verified training and prove you have a capable facility. And current big cats would be fathered ion as long as they’re documented by a certain date. I agree about the footage of travis’s death; it shouldn’t have been shown. Overall, great video!

@realSimoneCherie 3 года назад

If you played that music over a slow-motion shot of ANYONE, they would seem a little unhinged.

@tomasroma2333 4 года назад

I think your comments on Carole Baskin are unfair in regards to her volunteers. The people who get the t-shirts and volunteer are aware that they won’t get paid. They aren’t workers, they are giving up their time willingly and aren’t asking for money in return. If they were in a financially difficult position they would be able to stop. However, if these people are getting paid $150 a week, then that work they do can not be easily given up. If Carole Baskin was making hired workers do unpaid work then it would be deeply exploitative but she isn’t. They choose to give up their time and know they won’t get paid. There is nothing immoral about people volunteering and knowing they won’t get paid. Otherwise, this is an excellent video about why Tiger King is a good piece of entertainment but not good journalism.

@theframe100 4 года назад

Yea it would be wrong if the people who work there are given shelter (and can't afford a room elsewhere), given substance (whether food or drugs etc), or threatened/forced to work there. As far as I've seen, none of this applies to big cat rescue. It's a non profit for the betterment of captured big cats.

@ladyYeniel 2 года назад

Not as bad as Joe Exitic but it's still very wrong. If she profits from it and the work has value to her, then she should pay them. Otherwise it's abuse. She's not running a non-profit organisation, but a business.

@StarlightPrism 2 года назад

@@ladyYeniel Having a paid position doesn't mean that it's a business. Most non-profit organizations will have some paid positions, nothing inherently wrong with that. Places like BCR are extremely expensive to run, they need volunteers. Hell, even the nicest zoos you've been to need volunteers.

@ladyYeniel 2 года назад

@@StarlightPrism Not sure if you understood what I said. She is running a business, therefore making money and profiting from the work -> therefore she should pay. Different story with non profits, which some zoos are.

@lucaquinn7707 4 года назад

there's a line jeff lowe says in the last episode (i think? might be the second last) that i fully believe was constructed out of about 5 or 6 separate clips.

@ell101t2 4 года назад

Love your videos , you can tell you really research it and look into it and the final videos are awesome

@Tygearianus 2 года назад

As much as I love tigers, the story of Travis is really heartbreaking. It was hard to watch, It was definitely no accident. The things Joe talked about in his eulogy truly showed what a delusional narcissist he was... I can forgive crazy but talking about balls dragging on your face in front of the mother whose son clearly killed himself because of how unhappy he was......... I can't fully blame Travis' suicide pn Joe, I think the ultimate power was in Travis' hands and he made his choice. But holy fuck that was depraved. Trying to kill carol baskin is understandable.... but that was beyond redeemable.

@doggodoggo3000 2 года назад

If you love tigers you would see that people and places like that aren't good. You can't just shut them down these animals need somewhere to go. But we need to ban and restrict the breeding and selling of these animals on the private market. This goes way beyond just big cats, but also many many other exotic species. I have worked at places like this. Non profit private zoos. Its all shady business.

@nlpnt 4 года назад

If you haven't watched American Vandal yet, you should.

@LostLifetimes 3 года назад

I feel like Old Gods of Appalachia is the anti-Tiger King. Different genre (cryptid horror/superstition instead of true crime), but it actually is about addressing the problems in this area especially opioid epidemic

@dollyhoneypie 4 года назад

Your videos are so well made I’m in complete awe

@Brongersmai 4 года назад

I love this video, TY! I do want it pointed out however that there is a /very big difference/ between animal *rights* activism and animal *welfare* activism. I haven’t watched the series so I don’t know the context, but as far as I was aware, BCR was focused on animal welfare, not animal rights.

@augustchild7777 4 года назад

What you presented here, I was expecting from the show when I watched the trailer. I don't like and want to see animal being abused & people being manipulated hence I avoid to watch it. Amazing video.

@carolinacadiz6027 3 года назад

Tbh the thing that really irritated me about the show and left me not only shocked but disgusted and disappointed, was the handling of Travis' story. The clip of his death was completely unnecessary and triggering. His story of drug abuse and dependence on Joe was sad, but very realistic- it could really happen to anyone. His story wasn't shown correctly, the abuse he was suffering was not shown in the light it should've been shown. He was a victim but was simply shown as an addict with problems.

@josuebartley7272 4 года назад

Is it just me or does it feel like people talking about tiger king saw a different show than I did. Joe Exotic never seemed framed like a sympathetic character to me if not out right a monster. To me the show seemed more like a true crime version of breaking bad where we fallow several horrible people get worse. Good video btw, this was a separate rant from that

@TheSilverwing999 3 года назад

This sounds weird to me because when you watch the show it clearly portrays Joe as lunatic, but a misunderstood lunatic and one who doesn't deserve to be in prison. It dedicates entire episodes to show how he was framed, and yet you claim that isn't happening? It dedicates episodes framing Carol Baskin instead as if to show Joe off as being better than her, and therefore again being more "innocent" than he actually is. I feel like you must have shut your eyes during 60% of this show, or just not wanted to see it honestly.

@josuebartley7272 3 года назад

@@TheSilverwing999 When I said ‘framed’ I meant framed narratively, not framed as in legally framed. I saw the same show, I didn’t mean it to sound like I was challenging what happened in it

@darlantro 4 года назад

23:30 I thought the editors gave a nod to your final point at the very end of the series, where the person least invested in the animals, the campaign manager, is shown thinking out loud about what was all of this for and pointing out how no animals were helped despite all the money and time... I took it as a meta comment within the show about how the producers set out to report on exotic animal trade but got lost in the drama and personality cults and in the end are pretty sure they did nothing to help the animals.

@Megasteakman 4 года назад

Great writing! Really loved the ending: very powerful summation.

@Dcoz594 3 года назад

I only discovered your channel today and have watched every video... amazing work!! Thank you so much!

@mandomoss8025 3 года назад

This was amazing to watch. My friends have been telling me to watch this series, and I only got through 15 minutes of the first episode before I was disgusted by the abuse. Thank you for putting this all in one place, it’s easier for me to defend my hatred for it now that I’ve had it all broken down. I appreciate you, and Adam did a fantastic job with editing. Keep it up!

@devinmaxwell7749 4 года назад

This was awesome. Glad someone pointed these out.

@luckyturtle6449 4 года назад

Hello I got this on my main page and it was uploaded 37 seconds ago! first time seeing this channel.

@kawaiivenom8950 4 года назад

This video is so good, the way you put it into words really helped me express why watching this show was fun in itself but how it really leaves a bad taste, especially with the later interviews and how clearly out of it a lot of the interviewees are... Thank you!

@catchfishbolls 4 года назад

Dude your quality of videos are really awesome and I just know one day you're gonna be a really huge channel, I really love watching your analyses I've been binging for really long

@TENRAN432 4 года назад

Just saw Parasite after your video, probably watch Tiger King after this, probably the wrong order to be doing these things. :)

@unmermaid 4 года назад

Great video. Would love some more critique videos like this from female perspectives on various true crime. It's far too male dominated, which is very disturbing considering the vast majority of victims are women at the hands of males.

@nicole-ls4jb 3 года назад

A fascinating, deeply considered analysis. I particularly liked your pointing out the images that were chosen to be shown during certain testimonies/quotes. Thank you!

@YugiMomo 3 года назад

I think you developed this video essay brilliantly. You don't just list off the various traits/aspects/whatever of a documentary, but before you analyze what it does wrong, you give examples of where it's done right.

@Sam-iu8nb 4 года назад

Most of the time I was watching this video, I felt like an outlier. For most of the documentary I felt like Joe was cast in a pretty negative light. But you mentioned briefly the closing moments of the series. Where Joe laments how he deprived the two chimpanzees of a happy life. Even though I was suspicious of Joe throughout, those closing words stuck out in my mind. I think a lot of my negative feelings towards Joe got softened by those last few seconds of the show. Placing those words at the end was clearly a calculated move. I didn't realise how much of an effect that one piece of editing had on me until I watched this.

@emmaphilo4049 4 года назад

I thought replace chimpanzees with 'young men', 'Travis', 'John', it just shows how much Joe destroys what he likes (can I say 'loves'? Not sure. I guess ' is attached to' is more accurate)

@alim.9801 10 месяцев назад

Always gotta think about the editing. Esp music in the background imo

@slimkt 4 года назад

I listened to a podcast (EDIT: it was the one shown @15:14) about Joe Exotic sometime in late 2019 before Tiger King came out, and while it still more about the spectacle, it definitely portrayed Carole in a better light than the docu-series. When I finally sat down to watch Tiger King with my family, I saw how fast my parents glommed onto the idea that Carole was this terrible person. It was insane the amount of times I had to remind them that Joe is not a good guy and that this is entertainment, not journalism.

@OokiiPeter 4 года назад

What an excellent analysis, and definitely a showcase of why ethics and a lack of bias is important.

@lysawoolley9008 3 года назад

First time watcher. Really enjoyed your analysis ❤️👍🏼 Looking forward to viewing more videos Stay safe and healthy 💐

@neilshen759 4 года назад

Love your videos, especially the ones on perspective in Parasite and the gaze in Portrait. They're very academic and engaging. Keep up the good work!

@Yura-Sensei 4 года назад

Stopped watching the show 1.5 episodes in. It felt off, scandalous, annoying and agenda driven.

@D0MiN0ChAn 4 года назад

This! All my friends told me to finally watch it, but after the first episode I was just not feeling it. I've seen lots of awesome True Crime documentaries and this just wasn't what I expected at all.

@fawnila6310 4 года назад

Subscribed. This is the kind of content we need

@patriot121317 4 года назад

Great analysis and thank you for the podcast recommendation!

@Xathian 4 года назад

18:25 "What the show runners called the 'Black Fish' of big cats" That should have been a sign to anyone paying attention.

@lennonbrooks1083 4 года назад

I listened to the podcast, I didn't really like it. I tried to watch the show, I didn't like it. All of them seemed to lack any sense of ethics. This video was great :)

@AndyGagliardi 4 года назад

This is amazing work! Thank you for doing what you do!

@29aprilflowers 4 года назад

omg hi!!! I'm so glad this video was recommended to me! I kept forgetting to go check out your channel from insta :) this is awesome, your research is amazing!

@BroeyDeschanel 4 года назад

hi!!! omg tysm for watching, that's so kind! :)

@durchschnitte 4 года назад

Omg. THANK! YOU! I was getting so triggered by friends telling me how Tiger King is such a great show while for me it just left a really bad aftertaste. Yes, I watched it, it's well produced and captivating, but afterwards I was like "Uhm... wait. What happend to the docuseries about big cats in captivity that I signed up for and how did this turn out to be trash tv that wants to be true crime?!" Your remark on the ironic ending of the show with everyone loosing focus on the original topic represents my thoughts on this perfectly. Well... most people I know watched it and said they finally understand how Trump could get into office. So I guess as an entertaining showcase of the worst aspects of American society/culture (and that includes production) it serves it's purpose perfectly for the European viewer.

@bobguy3939 4 года назад

I've not seen the show but I know of both big cat rescue and Joe exotic. For me it's all in how they handle the animals. Big cats are hands off, regimented and health focused. Joe wrestles with them and palms them off on to tourists.

@muntasifsusmit 4 года назад

one of the best commentary on this series. Good Job.

@zoecooper6266 4 года назад

I can really feel your voice and energy in this video! I'm so impressed!!

@leec5170 4 года назад

Great point..."abandoning the initial cause for the spectacle". I'm starting to see a turnaround on the hatred of Carole. #FreeJoeExotic memes are much less frequent. During this Covid19 fiasco, I've made it my mission to respond to two people per day (nicely) to try to educate them about Big Cat Rescue, the inaccuracies in Tiger King and the truth about conservation. I think many others have done the same, yourself included, so we will sleep tonight knowing many have seen the light. Thank you for doing this!

@JebeckyGranjola 4 года назад

Since you seem knowledgeable on this, my understanding is that an animal sanctuary was a place for animals to live as the best approximation to the wild IE., given a large area to roam undisturbed. The show makes BCR to look like a zoo, where animals are kept in enclosures to be shown off to visitors. Is there a difference?

@leec5170 4 года назад

@@JebeckyGranjola Yes, there is a huge difference! There is a page here with link to several videos. Carole posted that top video recently. She addresses most of the issues in it. bigcatrescue.org/cages

@davemillerirl 4 года назад

Excellent essay - I would like to hear others thoughts on my view of the show. My takeaway from the narrative was less trying to make a hero out of Joe Exotic and more "everyone here is crazy" but missing the mark due to misogyny, perhaps? Maybe it's just me personally, but I and the people I've talked to felt "they were all equally bad". I disagree with them, however, that Carole didn't seem nearly as bad as the others but was lumped in as just the same. I thought the third episode focusing so much on "well she MAY have killed her husband" while brushing past the blatant misogyny of Doc Antle (?) to be odd. I remember watching that and at the part where Carole admits on camera she was a victim of sexual assault, my mom who I was watching with rolled her eyes and said "of course she was." I think it's another example of how men can get off the hook ("boys will be boys") while women are demonised for the slightest bit of antagonism.

@izybow12345 3 года назад

This is a fantastic analysis that has provided stellar insight into the rules of documentaries and provides legitimate, well-argued assertions about the show. I was obsessed with the documentary when it came out, and I feel like you articulated so many of the reasons why I found the "documentary" so fascinating. It wasn't the show itself, although it was incredibly entertaining, but the public's reaction to the show. Unmitigated sensationalism and the repercussions of that in our culture. Fantastic job!

@doubleh333lix 4 года назад

a lot of people didn’t even know Carole and Big Cats Rescue before this... turns out people I know have been supporting her for years. she’s made some mistakes in the past but I find her strength very admirable and I greatly respect her work with big cats. also, it’s not weird not to pay volunteers, they’re volunteers for a reason - they enjoy helping out the cause. the money goes into the cats! Carole is an abuse survivor and her past husband was very unavailable and would leave unexpectedly a lot. I think he packed up and left, probably going under a different identity. Joe is a reprehensible human being and the stuff he’s done to animals disgusts me, so I just... cannot understand why people are calling to free him.

@Wheelmass 4 года назад

chloe e. Flawed people relate to other flawed people.

@CJMGalaxy 3 года назад

I used to work in conservation, so a lot of friends really wanted to talk Tiger King. The question I had most was "what does the conservation community think of Carol Baskins?" I guess because she was presented as a more responsible animal care professional than Joe. To be clear, they're both incredibly bad! Roadside zoos are never good. If they can't get AZA accredited, they don't have the capacity to take care of wild animals. AZA zoos are conservation organizations that do the actual work of saving species while taking care of ambassador animals who cannot be released to the wild for various reasons (lack of habitat or danger to the species in the habitat being most common). Zoos aren't bad. Roadside zoos are.