As a carpenter who has built dozens of staircases and done a fair amount of timber framing, you've taken on the two Everests of most residential carpenters' existence! Other than Instrument, and Furniture making, these are the things that most House Carpenters will consider the pinnacle of finish carpentry. Neither of these types of projects are easy, and mistakes are extremely expensive. You guys did an amazing job on this one, especially for first timers!!
As a joiner I second this motion, although just to be awkward for assembly I would change the screws plan, to a couple of coach bolts from the back of the stringer
@@SandroMoiron Glad you like it, a dovetail on the stringer would be even better, with a stopped socket on the bottom of the threads 😉 but now we're probably getting carried away.
@@steves835 💯 Quality takes time, this I can't deny, maybe not double though, much of it could be achieved with a router on the stringer cuts and finished with a combination of tracksaw and chisel work, then completely achievable with a router ran in a simple jig for each thread.
I think black plugs matching the stringer would have been a nice contrast, and might also serve as a low key visual aid, kind of like how different colored baseboards help separate walls from floors in your brain.
Your production values just keep improving. I build solid body electric guitars but enjoy all kinds of "maker" videos. You're probably my favorite of the woodworker vlogs. Thanks for your hard work and here's to chasing excellence in what we do!
John Builds, as an engineer it looks OK. I think the through bolts will hold the top OK, and if the plate is well attached to the wood then that is OK. The board you used looks like the size of 2-2x12's so that would be acceptable. The good thing to know is that if it fails it should crack and makes lots of noise before it does break so you will have a warning. Great to hear that the two tables sold for so very much.
I'd be more curious about the numbers on the individual treads, if someone were to stand on the edge thats a lot of leverage on deck screws, the rabbit joint wasn't that snug to provide much support...
John builds: Curious what the rise and run came out to be. 7” tall and 11” tread is usually the standard. Plus I wonder if the stringer he attracted to is blocked to it’s a joining rafter. Adding some blocks between the two could help take the twist/bounce out of it. Just a thought, and personally nothing can be over engineered when it comes to your shop. Having tags on every screw, now that is over kill. Also I personally like the contrast of the two colors.
@@richardconing7615 Big pieces of lumber are fine in torsion, the span isn't that long, and the threads themselves are clearly solid AF. I am more concerned, as everyone else is mentioning, that the connections top and bottom could use some beefing up.
Johnny Builds; Hey Cam, love the content, love this build, and I think you made the right choice on the finish. As an engineer, the only comment I would make technically would be to consider using slots on your floor tie plate. That really is just a safeguard against the cement floor and the stringer moving at different rates seasonally or as the timber cures. It would still be constrained in 2 degrees of freedom vertically and side to side you would just have slots going forward along the axis of the stairs. I might be a little paranoid. Just think about it.
at 26:09 you can slow it down a bit and see it move as he walks, better than the end I think. how big a deal is it? It freaks me out a little, as a non-engineer
@@zoox101 Like I said, I might just be paranoid. Or a perfectionist. The stringer is so stout and if we assume the concrete is properly poured and cured... Then honestly the weak link might be the fastener... Which would probably shear off before the stringer would crack. I'm reality the worst case scenario is probably just things bend up a bit during some seasons... Like a door getting stuck a bit when it's humid outside. Probably nothing to worry about.
Привет передавайте Джони! 👍😁, жаль что он не до конца участвовал в проекте... Хотел передать вам привет, и сказать что Вас смотрят во Владивостоке (Дальний Восток) России! Продолжайте работать и снимать новые проекты. Удачи!
The Shelter Institute and other timber framers typically use green timbers. That's why the chisel work looks so nice because the wood is much softer and less brittle being wet still. Keep up the great work.
That's true. You can improve your ability to pare dry wood with a chisel or slick if you dab a little bit of linseed oil and turpentine blend on it a few minutes before you start.
I think I prefer the invisible finish for this project. I typically prefer darker finishes, but the pure coat didn't have a strong enough contrast against the black for my tastes
I think the invisible finish on the beam and then the darker finish on the stairs would've been nice, or vice versa... I guess what I'm saying is I'm not the biggest fan of the black
Of the two choices you show, the invisible finish is far, far better looking than the other (yellow/orange tint). Love, love, love your channel, MOSTLY because of your amazing attitude with everything you do. After watching, I want to meet you and become a friend. Positive people make my day, no matter how we came in contact. You are great.
As a structural engineer with 35 years experience, I can tell you that stairs are a real danger area for us designers. The strength might be fine, but people hate any deflection in stairs. For any unusual stairs, we would analyse them to death before sending them to the shop. In the case of your stairs, I wonder what the torsional twist deflection would be if you walked towards the edge of a tread. Great video by the way, thoroughly enjoyed it and have subscribed.
Cool project. As far as the plugs are concerned, I would've seriously considered a contrasting color. A lesson learned from a designer that I worked with, he said if you can't make it perfect, make it intentionally imperfect. There's a 'design term' for this but I don't know what it is. Love ALL of your videos. Keep them coming.
Maybe that design term is "wabi sabi"? "Wabi-sabi nurtures all that is authentic by acknowledging three simple realities: nothing lasts, nothing is finished, and nothing is perfect." Richard Powell
Johnny Builds is a great channel name. As an engineer I am a big proponent of over engineering and over sizing, especially in something like a staircase. The brackets you made seem to be a bit undersized for the job, there will be a lot of torque on them from the stringer, especially if you are carrying a heavy load while using the stairs, I would imagine that beefier brackets would eliminate the side-to-side tilting that you are getting when walking on the stairs. I really like the lighter treads versus the natural color.
@@kevinuy399if you know the band Led Zeppelin they got that name because people said they “would go down like a Led Zeppelin”. And we now know that that sure wasn’t the case. Maybe he was saying that people doubted him at first but really is legendary
Johnny Build: Realmente me encantó la broma de "mostrar" los escalones con los taponesque se notaban más. Me hizo reior bastante. Y me gusta ese sentido del humor agregado a la narración. Saludos desde Monterrey, Nuevo León México.
As a structural engineer, I can say that I have built lots of things for myself that I could never put out there professionally. Things that would never make the design codes I have to design for, but I know for my personal use that I will never approach those loads. One of the biggest issues with under designed wood is deflection and permanent creep. All wood will creep, but when something is already flimsy for its purpose, it will creep a lot. That would be my biggest concern for this thing, just from seeing how much it moves under a single man using it. That and those checks being contained with one bowtie per tread just seems too insignificant for me. As a non-repetitive, primary member, those really bugged me. I don't think it will fail, but I would definitely not have a party on it. And as someone else pointed out, keep an eye on those connections especially because of its movement. Things in wood can wiggle themselves out over time when dynamic loadings are applied.
Johnny Builds with Blacktail studio are the perfect team to create this stairway. If you were ever to make another stairway, I suggest you by a two man saw like the lumberjacks used a century ago. You more than likely could cut that thick wood pretty quick. Do you feel the stairs won't get slippery if they get wet? I would consider creating some kind of non slip backing to put down. I don't believe you would have to cover the whole stair, just the high use part of the stair. Thanks so much for sharing. I never miss an episode.
Man, I enjoy your videos more and more nowadays. I think that's primarily because of the fact that you can actually feel you guys having so much fun in the process and genuinly enjoying what you're doing, and each others company. Keep up the good work, or bad work, those are usually more fun :D
Johnny Builds.....loved watching the video, and your honesty (in certain area!) I also employ the "Think about it!" logic often when building.....hopefully, well thought out projects stand up to the test of time.....Nice job, and loved the finished product....!
Johnny Builds deserves a sub for helping out with this monumentally overbuilt, yet springy, project. Thanks again for a great video. Always excited when I see that you've posted!
Johnny B ....When you have a lot of plugs ...buy a fine Japanese pull saw , and rub the set off one side on a diamond lapp. The saw is smooth and wont worry the flat surface..... works a treat...🤔😂😎🇦🇺👌
I just watched the "big chisel" part. You mentioned how watching another wood working artist you thought how it would be. I thought about how a master of a particular craft can make what they do look so easy. You are a perfect example of how a master of his craft, all of those gorgeous tables and such, make it look like "i could also do that easy enough" Those paper thin shavings he created took years to master. Just like your creations took years to master. Thank you for bringing us along on this stair building journey, it turned out incredible. Well done sir. Edit to add: The pure works for me. Just think about.
The video he showed was a japanese chisel...know to be razor sharp..different from timber chisel..try to see japanese chisels,u can see that one in the video...thanks
Johnny Builds. This is a really nice project. I love seeing the collaborations between RU-vid woodworkers also. Still hoping one day for a Blacktail/Bourbon Moth build. The styles and senses of humor are really different and that teaming up would either be incredible or horrifying. I'm hoping for the former but we'll never know until it happens.
Johnny builds...The invisible finish is definitely the best choice. I'm an ex-missile engineer, and I'm impressed with how you and Johnny built these stairs.
I knew Johnny Builds was not able to be there until the end. the plugs would have been done in walnut! I liked the other finish better, But they look Great!
Johnny B ..... Dude, rub the saw with a bit of candle wax....seriously works a treat....🤔😂😎🇦🇺👌 When making plugs turn the block and run it through the band saw... instant plugs.
Доброго времени суток. Я из России, мне очень понравилось то что Вы делаете. Работа с деревом это большой труд и то что Вы создаете это классно. Я только начинаю работать с деревом и эпоксидной смолой. Смотрю очень много видео с похожим контентом. Желаю Вам творческих успехов и поменьше диванных хейтеров.
i just had a wild deja vu moment when where i swear i’ve heard the exact same “think about it” story but have never watched this video before… or have i?
3:49 Your cross cut sled is inherently dangerous because of the exposed blade at the end of the cut. If you make the rear fence with a box beam the blade will be buried in a block when the cut is finished. It may reduce the width of stock cut, but it is safer and the well created by the box beam is a convenient place for tape and pencil. It also adds some weight to dampen vibrations.
Just imagine that people built giant ships, castles, cathedrals, etc. by hand with beams bigger than this and they had to be perfect so they could float.
Johnny Builds Nobody else does it like Cam from Blacktail...think about it. I like the natural wood for the grain pop, but the contrast of what you actually did. Great job man, as always.
JohnnyBuild - I like you because you're very skilled, but you're not so skilled that you aren't also learning as you do it. That's a great thing for some one who is also learning, albeit way further behind. This is a great build, and your humble demeanor narrates it so well. Subscribed and looking forward to watching much more!
I love your channel! Your voice is soothing (this keeps the dog from barking at the TV), your work is interesting and beautiful, and you don't play music (music is often depressing for me). Don't ever change a thing! Your channel is just what I've been looking for.
Just wanna let you know that you inspire me, I dont do any woodworking but I love that you just go out and do it. I have trouble starting projects, but I love working with my hands. Seeing a dude just go “screw it” and start slicing really inspires me as a chronic overthinker. I wish I was more like you brother.
The lighter finish looks better on the steps than the darker because of the greater contrast with the black. It gives steps an illusion of floating in air.
Those labels on the deckmate screws can be left on, the label itself acts like a thread locker; when drilled in it melts into the hole if you really think about it :D
Omg! I just found you, so my comment is late but I'm still making it!!! Your shop is getting Fancy! A Wart Art piece like none other & now stairs that look like the need to be in a ski lodge in Aspen!! You geaux Cam!!
Yo hice hace tres años una escalera, me pasó mucho de lo que ví en tu vídeo , todas mis vigas y madera eran mas chicas, pero la tuve que quitar y reacomodar tres veces,soy aficionado eres el único real🎉
Johnny Builds. My only barrier to buying that N3 stuff is the astronomical price. I'm trying to get into woodworking, and there's a lot of tools I can buy fir the price of that tiny bottle. My current tool collection is a circle saw, wall saw, and a folder of sand paper...
I get that. At the price point it is at, it is definitely not an entry level product. Unfortunately it’s very expensive to manufacture, and I don’t want to sell a watered down version that doesn’t work
@@BlacktailStudio Absolutely agree with you. If I ever hit a point where I have all the tools I need and can make something worth selling for a high price, I'd be using a premium finish. Wouldn't want customers calling after only a few years complaining about a fading finish
New to your channel…stairs are an absolute work of art,with this proviso that handrail is only suitable for the local garage rodentia or an occasional rouge squirrel.😂
Brother those are some beautiful stairs. The natural color is 100% better. Here’s a challenge for you, it will reward you but it will be expensive. Build yourself/family/wife a Hinoki wood bath!
Johny Build - i think its looks great as is. almost everything goes that dark oak/walnut color(i love it too). For your shop, the lighter "invisible" works better the light colors(walls mainly) with the black stringer as accent. I don't think it'd look near as "fresh" and clean looking with the darker "pure" based.
*A metal strap that went under the bottom stair, but over the base, and was slightly imbedded in the base, might have stabilized the staircase better.* The metal brace that's under will partially do the same, just not as well. Think about it.
C'est bon tu as gagné un abonné de plus !!! Plus je regarde tes vidéos et plus j'apprécie ton travail et ton sarcasme 😅😅 Un petit français de France 😅 PS : qui fait les traductions !!?
