Timothy Gordon | The Matt Fradd Show Ep. 11 

Dr. Taylor Marshall and Tim Gordon have made good cases on why Christians should be Catholic and convinced me as a non denominational Christian. I'm currently going through a quarter life crisis at the age of 26 and will finally convert to Catholicism. I'm going to join the military and I should be a Catholic within a year. I will get baptized. I messed up a lot in life and didn't have a father to look to for help. Everyday is a existential crisis for me. I recently quit porn and masterbation. I'm trying to get my life together in hopes to have a better relationship with God and a beautiful family. Millennial-ish guys like Tim Gordon are a inspiration to me. If I could ask anyone reading this for one thing I'd be for a prayer. Sometimes I feel my prayers aren't heard because I've been too sinful for too long. Thank you guys. God speed.

Timothy Gordon and Taylor Marshall have given us back our marriage. What they have said on marriage and complimentarity has reinvented my understanding of marriage. I was one of those awful bitter whinging women. Now I understand true masculinity and femininity and it's attractive. And I'm a much better wife. I can't wait to read Timothy's book. My goal is stopping feminism in this generation and giving my daughters the chance to have an authentic Catholic marriage.

Non-offended female here! I appreciate TnT so much, and we need straightforward people like Tim Gordon discussing controversial issues like feminism within the Catholic Church. We as individual Catholic women also need to take responsibility for rejecting the ways that feminist lies have shaped or enabled our attitudes and behaviors towards men, family, and society. Christians in particular need to stop essentially "blaming" men for feminism by either implicitly or overtly suggesting that men's shortcomings are primarily responsible for feminism and women's resulting bad behavior. "If men would just be better men, then women wouldn't..." No, women are grown adults with their own moral agency and culpability; don't let us off the hook for the ways we've allowed feminism to encourage and enable toxic behaviors in our lives. It was individual women who chose to embrace feminism, and now it's up to individual women to reject it.

I’m a 32 year old wife and mother to three- I homeschool our kids and work part time as a music director at a NO church and I’m not in the slightest offended by anything Tim said and I look forward to the book! I think you were right Matt to push back on his delivery of this true message though, since the bluntness in which he speaks will do little to change the hearts and minds of those raised in a culture that has feminized men and shamed women into believing the lie that they should be able to be perfect Mothers while also having a career and equal leader in the family. To break down the walls of a lifetime of subconscious messages takes both extreme humility and courage! It’s not an easy pill to swallow for either men or women who have been lied to their whole lives. But irregardless the truth must be spoken. I thought this was an amazing interview. Thanks for the great content.

It’s not just you, Tim. In my opinion, feminism is the root of so many evils: abortion, divorce, contraception, the trauma of children in daycare, etc. I’m so relieved to hear men saying that women should stay home and raise their children. Thank you for having the courage to speak the truth.

I loved this interview! Love TNT! Tim’s perspective on feminism is spot on. Discovering the truth about feminism and submission in marriage changed my life. I was raised to put down men, women are better then men, bossiness is good, etc. I am working every day to Change the patterns that I began in my marriage and the more I work on myself, the more my husband is stepping up to lead our family in all the ways I always wished he would. We women have to change ourselves and choose biblical submission-man cannot force women to change. Also, he’s spot on about women working. My life, my husbands life and our family life and marriage are all so much better because I do not work outside the home. Thanks TIm, for standing up for biblical womanhood!

I love how humble Matt Fradd is. He is so wise and objective. He really is seeking the unbiased truth. 💕

I'm a woman and I couldn't agree more with Tim on feminism. It's the core rot of our culture.

Tim, the story about your daughter really touched me. It’s an incredibly beautiful witness to The Holy Spirit and God’s mercy. God Bless you.

Love this talk. I cringed, I laughed, I wanted to be mad, I found myself in large agreement. It was definitely a thought provoking/good food for thought kind of discussion. Thank you!

Matt you seriously talk more sense than almost everyone I've ever met. Thank you. You've been blessed with the gift of discernment.

Love Tim’s straightforward approach. It’s refreshing in this day and age of excessive sensitivity.

Great interview choice 👍 We are all tired of the status quo Catholic media and personalities that are becoming less and less relevant since they are preaching wrong beliefs, half truths, and sometimes lies. Timothy Gordon is a great choice to have on your show.

I love watching both T&T and the Matt Fradd show so this episode is extra awesome to watch! Timothy Gordon, I am incredibly excited for your book - My husband and I believe that a stay at home mom is the best possible thing for the family, and thank God we are able to do have that.. You take a mom away from raising her children and you are asking for trouble! Ideally,I think the best thing is also having the father work from home.

Best quote: "The problem is men are being Adams and women are being Eves."

It's like Matt is reading my mind @1:21:30... I wonder how many souls Timothy Gordon has converted/reverted with his brash, uncharitable style of speech. His brute force, anti-chubby approach may be good at galvanizing the luke-warm's will to confront those that ridicule God, the Church, and her teachings, but in no way do I feel like I'm a better person (desiring to draw closer to our Lord) for having listened to him speak.

I am a woman and I see exactly what Timothy is saying. I struggle with this at times, but I get it. I wish society would be right side up and things like this were not so contraversial. It is more difficult to follow a man who is not willing to assume his role completely and fully, which is what Matt was saying.

I got so excited when I saw Timothy was on here! I LOVE watching he and Dr. Marshall talk on TNT!

I think what really needs to be pointed out here about the part of the conversation that is on marriage is that Timothy Gordon continually uses words that show a lack of respect, mercy, understanding, and compassion towards women. Like the "chub" comments. If he had said "Fat" at least that would be scientific. But he even goes on to explain that picturing women with "chub" helps to lower arousal (for him and also other men). This is an extremely demeaning comment to make about ANYONE, whether they are male or female. As if what our bodies look like are attributed to who we are as people. I really was disappointed to hear a Catholic man talk about anyone that way, but especially women. You are not only in charge of upholding the dignity of the people who are attractive, but you also need to hold up the dignity of those who are not. If the goal of Christians is to imitate Christ, can you honestly say that that was a reflection of Jesus Christ? Do you honestly believe that Jesus would have talked that way about ANYONE? Just something to think about. I know we're not all perfect, but kindness and charity is always something to strive for.

I am a Protestant Evangelical pastor and Timothy Gordon is spot on. I have his book, "The Case for Patriarchy" which I heartily endorse. I have also read two of Carrie Gress' books on Feminism and its disasterous impact on Western culture. I might add that Protestant theologian William Dabney in 1871 warned that Feminism would "destroy civilization and Christianity in America." He, too, was spot on. Homosexuality, while evil, is not nearly the threat that Feminism poses

I’m not a feminist by any stretch of the imagination, I believe there is definitely truth in a lot of what Timothy says, I’m not a dramatic person and I don’t think I’ve commented on a RU-vid video for like seven years, but my jaw actually dropped several times during this interview. Yes, preach truth! We need it. But we have to desire the good of those we preach to (love) or it can really be harmful. And I just didn’t hear much of that. Not that he doesn’t, but his arguments sound more accusatory than convicting. And the former isn’t the way God communicates or works. I promise I’m not a snowflake. Just pointing out something I didn’t see mentioned much in the comments. Thanks for pushing back a bit Matt.

One wage households were promoted in rerum novarum and casti canubi. It’s true, but they were pushed as a right, that workers had a right to a fair wage, that gave the family a modest lifestyle, where the woman is not forced to work in order to provide for the necessities of life for the family. So it’s not a negative denial of women working, but a positive affirmation of the right of families for dad to make enough to finance a modest lifestyle by his own labour, so that mom can stay home and look after the kids and create a home.

Oooh wow! Great! I’ve never seen anyone publicly talk of how some wife’s treat their husbands. It’s true unfortunately. I worked retail for decades. Seen this! And, 4 years were in men’s area in a department store . I was SHOCKED at how wives treated their husbands. Disturbing and Sad. Looking forward to new book on feminism. My teen boys will like it too. They want traditional marriage and cannot stand the man hating feminism that is infecting our society. Generation Z!!!!

I have to admit that if this were my first time listening to Timothy, I wouldn't seek him out in the future. I am a regular TNT listener and LOVE the podcasts but Timothy, you are really negative on the topic of women. I agree that women need to be the homemaker and submissive but the point of view you seem to miss is men failing to take up their proper role as leader of the house and family. I am a little older and have stayed at home once I became married. I worked professionally before marriage. I frequently have conversations with Catholic married stay at home women and we are universally struggling with marriage because the men will not take leadership roles in the family. They are absolutely MIA and these are women who DESPERATELY want their husband to be in charge, understand the proper role of man and woman and believe feminism is evil. Matt did an excellent job of trying to draw this point out.

OK, I'm half way through listening to the interview and you all are discussing the role of husbands and wives, and I get it. My husband is the sole provider in our marriage and always has been. We've been married for 19 yrs. and have three children. That being said, even I have had some struggles with bitterness from time to time because my husband does not do some of the typical, classic male role things - like at all. I desire that he lead our family and I would love it if he would take on some of the physically demanding things around our house - fixing things, doing auto care, doing lawn care, but he is just not there. I think part of it is because he was raised without a father. He was raised by a feminist mom. I think when we are discussing the family we need to recognize that a substantial amount of married couples come from broken homes themselves and they might not have even seen a traditional family, let alone know how it is supposed to work. There is a real need for older couples to mentor others who simply don't come from a traditional two parent household, especially those of us who grew up in the 70's or later.

I really like Matt and T. Gordon because they both really do well at explaining thought processes, and why people have those thought processes. They like developing their thoughts out a lot, long-form is great for them.

Great discussion! Appreciate Tim´s firm stance on Catholicism but feel he leaves little if any space for self criticism or acknowledgement of imperfection on his point of view...

Content aside - From a rhetorical and argumentative standpoint, it was hard to keep up with what Fradd and Gordon agree/disagree on. Terms were not clearly defined, claims were dodged, both parties seemed confused at what the others said. If you’re going to argue for the purpose of advancing the development of an issue/solution, something like defining terms and answering questions would be necessary or else people will be confused and angry. That doesn’t help anyone.

Tim comes off as quite arrogant unfortunately. Same goes for Taylor Marshall and Michael Voris. Even the good things they discuss or report on is tinged with pride, like they are the cream of the crop in the body of Christ and they are where it’s at. For example, he’s saying only one family (other than his of course) is a properly ordered family in all of Disneyland. Oh, this family isn’t smiling, well feminism is the fault obviously. Fradd was attempting to show possible nuance and context of possibilities of what could be going on. It Gordon takes a one crappy action of a wife and paints a whole story and judgment like he is on the know. You get a sense that these guys (Marshall, Gordon and Voris) are book smart, but not very wise and very judgmental of people without knowing the depth and backstory of people. It’s unfortunate because they have a lot to offer the Church.

Yeah, half of TNT. Your guests keep getting better and better.

Matt Frad, you are a person who does amazing talks and teachings. You talk about not objectifying women, especially in pornography. I am deeply disappointed that the multiple times Tim Gordon referred to men’s wives as “chubby” and “unattractive,” that you didn’t say anything to address that. As Christians, the physical appearance doesn’t matter. You know that. You practically teach that and about the dignity of each person and his / her body. I really wish you would’ve addressed those comments.

This conversation is painful to listen to, but I did anyway. I have worked hard at a job all my life. I didn't have a choice. Why? Too many male feminists. All of the men I have met were only interested in living together, not getting married, and even encouraging me to earn the money, so they can quit their job they don't like. Needless to say, I backed away from these men with all due haste. Even in my Latin Mass parish, there are men who can't even support themselves properly who are interested in a relationship. So here I am facing 63 years, and pretty much given up. We live in an atomized society of many, many singletons. The truth is there a lot more women who are just trying to get along, and have a pleasant life than there are shrieking feminists. Put away the broad brush.

Wow Tim dropped some biblical truths. A house is a home when a woman does everything from the grace of God. Blessings from Australia 🇦🇺

I loved the long, conversational format. Would appreciate seeing more of these. So much to consider and learn. Thank you!

Tim's story of his daughter really hits home. My wife and I were both, badly catechized, fallen away Catholics, married outside the Church. Our oldest daughter was born about 14-weeks premature. She had a brain bleed and other issues, resulting in a number of disabilities. The experience with her started to our journey back to the faith.

I do wish you would bleep out some of Timothy's four letter words. I think it's kind of odd that someone who presents himself as being so Catholic would sprinkle in so many curse words into his normal conversation.

"There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male and female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus."

This convinced me I need to get Tim Gordon’s book!

I enjoyed this so much. He spoke clearly and wasn’t the least bit wishy washy. Super refreshing to hear. Reminds me of a lay version of Father Ripperger. Matt you did an excellent job interviewing him.

Timothy Gordon, In Reference to Section 42:05 "Abortion: People are trying to make this ultimately a male issue. Ultimately, its a female issue, legally and morally. Men are victims of abortions..." I think you need to hear what Saint John Paul II had to say about women and abortion: "A woman is left alone, exposed to public opinion with "her sin", while behind "her" sin there lurks a man - a sinner, guilty "of the other's sin," indeed equally responsible for it. And yet his sin escapes notice, it is passed over in silence: he does not appear to be responsible for "the other's sin"! Sometimes, forgetting his own sin, he even makes himself the accuser, as in the case described [the woman caught in adultery]. How often, in a similar way, the woman pays for her own sin (maybe it is she, in some cases, who is guilty of the "other's sin" - the sin of man), but she alone pays and she pays all alone! How often is she abandoned with her pregnancy, when the man, the child's father, is unwilling to accept responsibility for it? And beside the many "unwed mothers" in our society, we also must consider all those who, as a result of various pressures, even on the part of the guilty man, very often "get rid of" the child before it is born. "they get rid of it": but at what price?" - On the Dignity and Vocation of Women, pg 61-62. Pauline Books and Media, Boston - Anniversary Edition commentary by Genevieve Kineke. The fact is that both the man and woman are guilty of sin, but often times it is the man who tries to deny his part in it, and allows the woman to take the full fall for it. Timothy Gordon, you sir lack not only an understanding of history, you also lack respect for women as they are created in equal worth and dignity to man. You are trying to set the male above the female, and this is in direct contrast to Gods design for male and female created in his image. To quote St. John Paul II once more; "Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you" (Gen 3:16), we discover a break and a constant threat precisely in regard to this "unity of the two" which corresponds to the dignity of the image and likeness of God in both of them. But this threat is more serious for the woman, since domination takes the place of "being a sincere" gift and therefore living "for" the other: "he shall rule over you." This "domination" indicates the disturbance and loss of the stability of that fundamental equality which the man and the woman posses in "unity of the two": this is especially to the disadvantage of the woman, whereas only the equality resulting from their dignity as persons can give their mutual relationship the character of an authentic "communion personarum". Pg 41 On the Dignity and Vocation of Woman. Furthermore from St. John Paull II: "The Matrimonial union requires respect for and a perfecting of the true personal subjectivity of both of them. The woman cannot become the "object" of "domination and male "possession (pg 42)." " - Domination and objectification is what you are suggesting Timothy Gordon, when you insist that all feminism is evil. In summary: "The words of Genesis refer directly to marriage, but indirectly they concern the different spheres of social life: the situations in which the woman remains disadvantaged or discriminated against by the fact of being a woman. The revealed truth concerning the creation of the human being as male and female constitutes the principal argument against objectively injurious and unjust situations which contain and express the inheritance of the sin which all human beings bear within themselves." Timothy Gordon, every woman has reason, and has freewill, as she too is a person. Therefore, everywoman is endowed with inalienable rights: life, liberty and happiness. These are not just aspects or rights of male persons. Feminism was born out of the sin of men. The sin of denial of equal rights, legal treatment and dignity. -I would think twice about publishing your book.

I am so disheartened by this comment section. So thankful my faithful, Catholic husband treats me as one equal in intelligence, dignity, and ability to contribute to the world, both in my role as wife/mother and as nurse/friend/thinker/helper/a lot of things.

It must be admited that it is not easy to have a child like Tim's. I'm sure she is a blessing in disguise. But I'm still austanded to learn that she uttered clearly over again "Holy Spirit" at her age n in the Church n even with her speech impediment. "You taught children n infants to give You praise" (Matthew 21:16) It definitely was a lesson for all us. Thank you Tim for sharing this incredible miraculous story. God bless you !!!

Matt is right on.👍 Also, I think one has to be careful not to assume too much about various couples out in public. You have no idea what is going on in those marriages. My dad is a horrible narcissist and puts on a great show in front of other people who he cares about impressing. People don't have a clue. Anyway, good discussion.

Tim Gordon and Matt Walsh are exactly what the world needs. No more softening blows and leading with nuances. Catholicism is true, and everyone needs to embrace the truth or risk going to hell. Our society has only fallen so far because people are afraid to preach the truth. Delicate words have only affirmed the delusions of hedonists that sin has no consequences.

I'm reading Tim's book, Catholic Republic, now. What a history lesson! I recommend it highly.

I think Tims arguments might have been better received if he explained that having a mom/wife at home is far more valuable than the extra money from her having a job. The way he framed it was just, married women shouldn't work period without explaining how much more it helps in raising healthy children and the overall stability and happiness of marriages with stay-at-home moms/housewives

Hey Matt, just wanted to let you know that you're doing an amazing job, and I keep going back to your interviews, especially those with Peter Kreeft and Christopher West. I love how you calmly chat about what those peoples personal interests are and give such a rejuvenating outlook and put hope and faith in God in the center. I also think it's such a good step, how you take on current topics, even if they are difficult, and discuss with people who have different viewpoints and beliefs, so they get a chance to be heard in a way that's not cropped down to 5 minute clips or some headlines. Keep going and spread the Spirit ... God bless you and your family a million times! :)

So sorry you have a problem with my chubbiness Tim, which is part of the cross I bare from my multiple rare genetic chronic invisible illness. - A faithful listener of your TnT show (from day 1), fellow anti-feminist, homeschooling, traditionally minded Catholic

I am 57 years old, lifelong Catholic, and I have never met a man who would have married and taken the position of Catholic leader as you are speaking of. I personally think that men enjoy women working as it has aliveated them being the sole provider and now , with people being so materialistic, they have more possessions. I longed to meet a man who would have taken the Catholic position of husband in my marriage.

That was 2 hours and 50 minutes of truth. Great interview Matt. I really like Timothy Gordon.

Matt, thanks for all you do. Glad to see you all had such a great chat. Thanks be to God for your vocation and your care for souls in your work.

Good stuff Matt! Please do more of this. I've actually haven't watched you in a while but tuned in for this one. Thanks.

Matt, I realize this is an older episode, and you may not be monitoring the comments. I need to defend Tim's comments about how many women treat their husbands today. (He was talking about a woman yelling at her husband for offering her a soft drink) Just so you know since you are blessed to be in a holy marriage, so many of us do not have that experience. My late wife was angry and abusive for the last 20 of our 32 year marriage. And I know many other men who share my experience. I do believe the strain of the two-income household had a large role on that in my marriage, and I honestly believe that her realization that I couldn't on my own create an income that would support the expected middle-class lifestyle. The last time she cussed me out was when she came home from work (she worked weekends as a nurse) and I had cleaned the house and done all the laundry. No thanks at all, she screamed at me for how I folded the towels. This is the experience of many, and it is reflected in the popular culture's portraits of fathers since the mid-80s. This is reality, Tim hits the nail on the head. To be sure, I played the perfect Adam to Debi's Eve.

This was a great talk. I never had a good feeling about Tim Gordon from his bite sized Twitter and clips I had seen of him, but Matt's clarifications of what Tim was saying and prying to make sure that he understood what Tim was saying really helped me to see where Tim was coming from. Thanks for pushing back as well as your clarity, Matt!

Matt, is there a reasonable hope that you can have Bishop Barron, Brandon Vogt, Tim Gordon, and Taylor Marshall on the show?

Loved this. I loved the clarity, even the things that are hard to hear.

I am a big fan of TNT and listen to them pretty regularly and I enjoy both Dr. Marshall and Tim Gordon's dialogue. However, I have to say that although I see and get Tim's more straight-shooter personality (which I love) this episode really brought out a more condescending personality in him. I know this is a sensitive subject in today's society and I get he doesn't care cause he will speak truth and that is necessary. However, there are ways to speak truth with love and humility. Jesus is the headship of all of us, yet when he came to earth to be with us, what did he do?? He came and he served us in such a loving manner, not once did he ever demand Kingship or Headship, but he spoke and taught us with so much love and dignity. Indeed he taught us that as wives we should be submissive to our husbands, which I agree. I really hoped Tim would reflect on how he comes out in his truth. Speaking his truth in a way that will capture people to embrace this teaching in a positive way, which can only come through humility. That is just my thoughts on this episode, especially as a woman, who has struggled with this teaching being brought up in a strong female household. When feminism is all around you and that is also how you were raised, especially today's generation. However, I have seen the fruits of allowing my husband to lead our family and be the authority of our home, as he also treats me with sensitivity, love and humility., as Jesus treats his Church. Great points, just needs to be delivered in a more humble manner. I also can't understand the need to criticize a person's physical attributes when making a point? That's just insensitive and not humble at all. I expected more of Tim and have to admit was disappointed with some of his remarks.

Do you think you guys could do a version that doesn't denigrate women who "aren't tempting" to you?

I agree there are a lot of women who are rude and snap back at their husbands but I see just as many men who do the same to their wives.

The A team begins to assemble.

I think Timothy should follow his own advice and look at the truth in what the feminists say. I am 83 years old. In my mother’s generation women were definitely considered less than and without recourse when mistreated by her husband. If she was beaten it was her fault. Priests advised my aunt to go back to her husband and be more submissive. Maybe no one yelled at my uncle in stores. But there sure was a big celebration when my uncle died. Given that I agree that men are now being put under the bus too. The cause of the problem does affect what the solution should be. I say the cause is a reaction to over kill of male superiority.

LOVE this episode!!!

I really like Matt Fradd approach on explaining first what he doesn’t mean so the person “puts her shield down.” As much as we know we should tell the truth, we also should save as many souls as we can, and lots of times when we just get shouting the truth, people will just ignore us. This show is helping me not only with my faith, but also with my English. kk Greetings from Brazil !

Having listened to the full thing, its my favorite since the Christopher West one. REALLY fascinating and challenging

I truly enjoyed watching and listening to this. Mahalo guys!

Thank you for sharing ❤️ it's really helped me to grow in my faith ❤️

Fantastic interview! Loved it.

'If I have all the eloquence of men or of angels, but speak without love, I am simply a gong booming or a cymbal clashing.'

Also, I see women shouting st their men ALL the time... everywhere. In Cali and here in AZ. It makes me sick.

Tim, I'm a TNT viewer...and your wife is just as much of an influence on my Catholic view as you are. She's not the one who is broadcasting verbally, but she just as powerfully influences by her example. Tell her, I am truly grateful for her and for your family for having the courage to speak and live the Truth.

Matt you were great in this interview. Being a kiwi I felt your pain at times when Tim got too un pc, but I have to also say I love Tim's general point - women who have been sucked into the lie that feminisim is empowering and are now so wounded by the fallout - broken marriages, abandoning our children or the grief of childlessness, pressure to earn money, being shamed if you stay home esp by other women, the misery and trauma of sleeping around when every cell in your body wants commitment...etc etc... it is somehow a relief to hear this from a man - it is like a knight in white armour coming to save you.

Husbands are not the "boss" of their wives. They are the leaders of their wives. There's a big difference between being someone's boss vs. their leader. Jesus shows us the model of true leadership.

Love this, TnT fan, now found this channel, also, mentioned Steph's ability to fall asleep and pray Rosary for coping, would love to hear about her journey.

I really enjoyed watching these very different people chat

My favorite interview yet

I am so happy that these guys have exposed all of this. Not exposing has caused more victums..

Thank you for saying what I've been saying for years; we have to encourage young people to marry! I'm a mom of young children but when I say this in front of other parents, particularly those with older children, I get daggers😂 We should be beginning the marriage preparations when our children are young by talking about being and identifying quality mates. We cant wait until they're 30 then say they need a YEAR of pre-cana classes to "prepare them" for marriage. If you think that wont encourage sin and poison their future happiness you're either crazy or in denial. Can't wait for Tim's new books!

New subscriber. I love Timothy Gordon. Thank you for having him on! I follow him and Dr. Taylor. I’ve learned so much, God bless you both...🙏🙏🙏👍👍👍

Is so good to hear this talk about health trauma. Thank you, from someone who deals with multiple, rare chronic invisible illnesses. It's tough on a person and a family and it's easy to believe that others just can't really get it. Nice that the two of you do.... although it'd be nice if no one had to suffer it..... unfortunate that fall was.

Matt and Tim, thank you for this conversation. I know that Matt was concerned about how women would respond to this discussion, but I hope that men watching & listening can understand their TRUE roles, too.

Amazing discussion! Thanks so much for this. Tim Gordon is awesome 😎

This was a great interview and all, but honestly, Matt looking down and stifling a giggle when Tim described himself as a bad boy is the content I'm here for.

This was a fantastic conversation, God Bless both of your work. I'm getting married in September, and the last 20 minutes was awesome.

Hyped!!!

Exceptional interview. Thank you both.

Wow, I have never considered myself a feminist, but dude’s got to stop it with the “chubby” comments. Also, I make tons of household decisions without my husband, but that’s because my incredibly loving and successful husband is working hard saving lives like that of your darling daughter. I am a stay at home mom, but I am really put off in a major way by your points about married women earning money- it doesn’t hold up to the teachings of the Bible (check proverbs 31). Your generalizations about women and feminists just don’t work when tested by reality. Very weird points, honestly.

Summary of the Show: Tim Gordon says something offensive and Matt Fradd says "Do you really mean that?"

I don't always agree with Timothy Gordon, but I sure do on feminism. Before my husband died, we had an amazing marriage because I was a homemaker and mother. I loved it. He loved it. And our kids loved it.

I agree with everything Tim Gordon says about feminism. One thing I think he is not considering, however, is that is it not always the woman who wants to work. Often, her husband EXPECTS her to work outside the home, whether she wants to or not. I myself, and plenty of other women, would love to take care of our homes full-time, but our CATHOLIC husbands demand that we earn a salary. It is just expected these days that both husbands and wives will bring in money. The outrageous cost of living (and the cost of college for our children) makes it impossible for many to make it on one income. I truly wish we could. I do agree that this is evil, and society should never have transformed in this way, to the point where two incomes are needed just to survive. We live very modestly, and are not working for luxuries, by the way. I was home with our son until he was a freshman in high school, but had to go back to work at that point for economic reasons. It is draining, however, and there is no way for me to keep up with the home while working full-time. I hate it, but have never been told by my husband that I can quit working.

Incredible interview.

This is such a great episode!

Loved this !

The role of men and women in most part of the world is still the way Tim Gordon is describing but they are not working out the way God intended the marriage lives to be. Another thing that is true is that in most of those places where the husband is in charge the marriage relationship is solely about the husband controlling the wife. Many of the cultures deliberately hide the fact that the husband/father is the most insecure person in the family. The sons and daughters they raise grow up to follow the same path and abuse continue to follow. There are places where women have to take over, even secretly, to change the fate of their children. How do you change the minds of such men who grew up knowing they'll in charge of their wives and children and can get away with whatever horrific things they do to their wives and children?

Every time I listen to Tim, I need to have a dictionary at the ready. I absolutely love his directness and Matt spent too much time trying to soften him. Kind of embarrassing. I am a woman and I feel like Tim absolutely gets the evil of feminism perfectly and I certainly don’t need it all watered down.

Hi Tim and Matt, I am a 53 yo woman that was on the feminism bandwagon for much of my midlife. I too am a cradle Catholic and have recently come to know the faith as it should have been taught (I don't know what word to use either). I used to rail against the whole notion that I was raised to be a stay at home mom. I am smart and have 2 degrees. BUT now, I would love nothing more than be that stay at home mom, homeschooling my children (I had them late in life), and taking care of my home. I have an addicted (multiple vices) husband and I have been forced into being in charge. If I had not done so, we would be in struggling in a bad rental. I hate having this responsibility but feel I have little choice. I work because I am afraid that his body will give up and we will be without a household income. My children are on the ASD spectrum and need management and I am left almost alone in this management. In fact, he often confounds issues. He clearly stated last week that he puts his dog above his children. He has no concept what true masculinity is and I can't teach him. FEMINISM SUCKS. They lie, like much of the left political agendas.

Nice save by Matt on the Timothy comment “you’re not good looking enough to be that mean to your husband” 😏 we don’t know why SOME women, good looking or otherwise are mean to their husbands. Sure there are mean women, but not all are mean “just because” Like Matt said there might be some resentment or underlying issues, I agree couples should be civil to each other, especially in public. But that Timothy comment irked me.

I was genuinely surprised that Dr. Marshall says he has a good relationship to the youth in his ministry. Im just one young person, but Matt's criticisms were right on. Dr. Marshall sounds just like all the old people in the church, "im right and everyone else is stupid". Like, that approach REALLY didn't work before, who is it working on now??

Can anyone find the Church documents that Tim claims indicate married women should not work outside the house? He makes many claims that I feel are more opinions and says they are Church teaching. I read some statements from Popes endorsing women doing home duties but it doesn't say they cannot work outside home. The main point I took away from those quotes is that the work should not cause the family to be neglected. I have a recording artist wife who travels a lot. I watch our 4 kids much of the time and manage her career. Yes, there are struggles, but we feel this is how God is calling us to uniquely share our gifts. Maybe God has called us to an exceotional lifestyle. As I was listening to Timothy, he reminded me so much of Milo who said "feminism is cancer." Sure enough, later in the episode, we find out Milo published Tim's book. I'm glad Matt challenged him.

I totally agree with Tim and i am a woman. I see women treating their husbands with disrespect all the time.

I think this really ties up with what Jacob Imam talked about in an earlier podcast. Men and women assuming their natural roles within the family system would be greatly facilitated in the case of a community who trades and provides not just for themselves and their own family units individually, but wherein families are interconnected - business transactions are friendships, loans are given out with 0% interest if it’s asked by someone for their basic needs. Community.