Titanfall 2 - Titan Brawl Meta 

You've angered us Scorch fans. All 4 of us that main him will be writing you a strongly worded letter

They see me Ronin, they hatin

Scorch needs some love. I've always found it funny that a firestar sticks on longer and seems to do damage than his giant thermite ball. (I know balance but Scorch is throwing a ball the size of a cow, and is outclassed by fire weeb shuriken)

Titanfall 2 comes out. Frothy: "tone is super powerful. You may as well go all tones." Tone gets nerfed. Frothy: "ion is super powerful. You may as well go all ions."

What really tilts me about Laser Shot is how immediate it is. There's no charge up timer nor any kind of warning it's coming, just sudden, completely free insta-damage. It's a click-to-chunk-health button; and since it's hitscan too it's literally impossible to dodge. The fact that it also crits and you can have TWO of them is just the cherry on the cake. I play a lot of Stryder titans and getting randomly chunked across the map by two back to back Lasershots (sometimes even right after spawning in) without being able to do anything at all to prevent it or avoid it is extremely frustrating. -Edit - 100% agree with everything you said in the Northstar section. The fact that Laser Shot single handedly outclasses an entire Titan class is pretty asinine.

titan brawl meta : 1. ronin stole 2. ronin stole 3. ronin stole 4. ronin stole 5. tone pros HD

What I got from this video is 'Ion in broken in this game mode just do 5 v 5 Ion'

That salvo core around 8:00 charging up another one completely was ridiculous. Didn't know that could happen. I guess since none of the kills were directly from the core?

You also are able to cancel Ronins arc wave with the melee trick. Like ION with her lasershot.

I feel like Northstar tether traps should be buffed. Maybe have Twin Tether traps as default and have an option to make them deal electric tick damage like 50 per .5 second but have a slightly longer cool down to sorta balance it. It make the tether traps actually threatening as opposed to being an annoyance

ronin owns the role of executioner on the team he just rushes in and steals executions so easy, with his enhanced melee range and speed and dash, northstar is overly underpowered when dealing with him

Monarch after stealing a battery for the 27th time without dying: I am a DEMEGOD

"lol who plays scorch? just walk backwards" quote of the year

Scorch is really good against ronins core

Anyone but me feel like electric traps with Northstar sounds like a good titan kit?

I disagree about Scorch. Playing him as a midline support Titan works wonders because no one is really going to be thinking about you hitting them with those mid range grenades and when team fights get trapped in a small lane (as they are want to do) he can really support the frontline by lighting everything on fire to keep Ronins away or cover a retreat from the lane. He's also the only Titan capable of really dealing AoE damage, which is super useful when the front lines get super close.

My main problems with this game mode is damage dealt is not shown or effects the scoreboard. Yea I want to get the win but it's so annoying doing so much damage and getting nothing but assists or recognition for my hard work. Also executions are so broke in my opinion especially when your using your core and an enemy Titan just ignores it and executes you. I think you should only be able to do it when a core is activated when it's from behind/side. Still enjoy the game mode.

"lmao who plays scorch just walk backwards" Uh, I play Scorch and I am genuinely offended

this is why people are so afraid of using other titans and why there's just ronins and ions on titan brawl. you give such a poor point of view on every other titan that is not ronin or ion. Tone is correct its pretty balanced even with the nerf but NORTHSTAR is not a weeker version of ion, is actually the opposite of ronin, while ronin is a hit and run close quarters titan. Northstar is the same but at long range. you gotta try to go for the long range ambush and move as much as you can. with LEGION you just gotta be smart when using it and stay at a long-medium range FINALLY SCORCH! my favorite for titan brawl. with SCORCH you just gotta predict the enemies moves. let me tell you, a smart SCORCH IS A RONIN KILLER. scorch is all about the ambush. use it in places and maps where the enemies don't have much space to move (exoplanet, angel city, eden etc) also with the inferno shield try to block as much shots as possible and in close quarters use it as your main source of damage. a good scorch load out is. Titan Kit: turbo engine and Scorch Kit: Inferno shield

You know, Northstar is very op when she has that thermal vision. Enemy titan deploys electric countermeasures? Northstar doesn't care. I have been called ''wallhacker'' lots of times whilst I was playing with Northstar and shooting through ecm with thermal vision and it helps so much even when they are far away, because you can see them.

The pace of a match probably has a big impact on scorch, slower matches mean scorch can get behind lines faster than titans can spawn in flanking positions.

for me it works like this: ronin

>laughs at the top of the scoreboard with Scorch

How to beat Ronin: have a scorch with his thermal shield ready if the Ronin tries to rush, and when he tries to back up, have a trap behind him. It's niche, yeah, but it works.

the laser shot is unfair for a northstar you can kill her in 3 shots come on men, please don't turn ion on the meta :"v

3:56 and there's a perfect example of everything wrong with Ion vs Northstar.

The only thing worse than fighting a Ronin is fighting a Ronin that knows how to block 😱⚔🔪👺

I don't think the Ion thing is a bug, I do the same thing with Ronin's arc wave as to not waste it..

Ronin is not overpowered by design, but 2 things make him effectively overpowered. The first thing is the dash recovery in sword core being way too fast and less experienced players just run in that case. This have 2 effects: the ones who dont know how to deal with it eventually still get chased down and sliced like ham, while the ones knowing how to deal with him does not get enough support from the coward teammates he has, especially when he needs to reload or sth, there is just no enough reaction time. If ronin is running highlander and is not in doom state, then the fleeing of the teammates effectively makes the whole thing a feeding frenzy. In summary, this is a feature of ronin that requires knowledge of most basic teamwork to counter, which is still very rarely seen in most games of titan brawl or LTS. Not everyone playing this game has a brain, while the percentage being... Huh. The second thing is based on the first: melee registering problem. It is a problem across the board for both titans and pilots, numerous of times the models collide and you see your melee target being pushed away by the melee action but no damage is done. I am not sure if this has anything to do with the server failing to register some of the data packs but this tends to happen in the heat of the battle. In this case, if you are dealing with a doomed titan, then 8 to 9 times out of 10 you cannot execute a titan due to melee not registering or only doing damage, you are against a ronin. His high mobility actually provides him with an extra perk of being exceptionally hard to register an execution, which is obnoxious. It's like a probability overshield on ronin, which is definitely not fair.

With that being said, Ion's Laser Shot still has a limited range. I think whats needed for balance is to make Northstar's Railgun more akin to a hitscan. She is afterall carrying a Railgun which is based on the principles of extreme velocity.

The lazer shot cancel method also works on robins arc wave. The more you know.

Titan brawl has showed several important things 1. Ion laser shot it broken or at least needs a tweak. The fact that it can be melee cancelled and is hitscan is as many have said. All but unblockable. It either needs a minor charge up time or a slight damage reduction. Laser shot single handedly outclasses the entire northstar class kit. 2. Sword block NEEDS some sort of cool down or limit to the amount of damage that can be absorbed at a time. The fact that a ronin can face up an entire teams worth of fire, say even a full legion clip and power shot and not even lose a bar is crazy. We've all seen it and know the best ronins are constantly swordblocking which makes them impossible to kill and as frothy said, focus the ronin and do barely any damage to him and you get railed by his team or ignore the ronin and then get he gets core and destroys your entire team. 3. Scorch dessssperately needs something to bring him into the game. I've been told that giving him two thermite shots would make him OP to which is say, you've got to be joking right? Scorch???? Even with two thermite shots, you are at a disadvantage in every match up. Know how to beat a scorch? Just step away! Yeah yeah, we get that scorch is a movement control Titan, but in practice, he's shit in all matchups and basically any other Titan would be more useful in team setting. 4. Northstar needs a bit of love. Whether it be electrified tethers that do minor damage, or at least some buff to the core to make it not entirely useless. People may say "oh you just don't know how to use it"...a full health legion with hidden compartment va full health northstar coring, the legion will win every time which is retarded. Cores are meant to be excessively powered and northstars core is a liability at best. Ronin just swordblock and dashes and avoids the entire core, vortex and dashing can avoid most of core, northstar can just dash and vtol, legion vaporized you during core, even scorch can take most of your health with a few well placed thermite shots

That Ronin at about 3:40 shrugged off a ton of damage from your core just from blocking. Smh just try that with any other titan with a defensive ability and you'll get stomped. AND IT HAS NO COOLDOWN!!!!

FrothyOmen made me not hate Tone as much. What have you done?

Nice to hear finally respect for Ronin. Being a Ronin main it really is a great pleasure to hear what you say😂.

The only fair kit I can think of to affect laser shot is to remove the split part of ions primary so you can't ADS but laser shot costs a little less.

I would say it's intentional that Ion's Laser shot can be cancelled via melee, simply because Ronin's arc wave can be cancelled the exact same way.

For me scorch is only for well coordinated teams. He's not a damage dealer, he's an area of denial, and thus a good counter to ronin due to their dependency on high mobility, or some legion trying to flank. But that means you gotta have your team constantly positioned well, constantly communicating, and in general having way too much situational context for him to be considered "useful". and of course, the problem remains in that there's nothing a titian can do that an ion won't do just as well if not better.

I love titan brawl, because there's no fucking cow boys who practise rodeo on your titan

1:04 "It's very difficult to miss a titan" misses laser shot directly after :P

That electrified tether trap is a friggen brilliant idea!!!

I wish that they still had it so a fully charged northstar shot would penetrate sword block because it was a good counter for ronin

LOL WHO PLAYS SCORCH?!? 😂😂😂

Ions laser shot should get a heavy long range penalty to damage to de-emphasis Ion as a sniper. Legion and Scorch should get an HP buff to emphasize their roles as heavy tanks. North's Star's primary should get a small buff to damage and large buff to projectile velocity and the tether traps need to start dealing some small damage. I don't use Ronin, but if he's high skill, high reward and is just very useful to his team, I don't think he needs to be nerfed.

As a player who started on Legion, I find it very easy to take out any Titan. With the only exception being ION, I was actually playing last night against one. And my teammates were screaming at me to stop shooting, because he was reflecting everything at them. And other times, whether it's close combat or long range, ION always stands out as the better option. But I don't believe the ION needs nerfed (We don't need another Destiny fiasco). But I feel like the lesser Titans should be buffed. like maybe when the gun shield is active, you can use it to increase melee attacks and power shot no longer glows red. Tone could do more damage with the gun. Northstar can use it's charged up rounds to gain tracking for the middle on the back (but also keeps the free fire). And Scorch need an agility boost, that could be a default dash so you can have two, or you can sprint while using the shield. My point is, things need to change, but in a way that makes the game play better, and not just some nerf to everything like Bungie does.

if you're wandering about how Cores interact with defensive abilities, essentially, they all do a huge amount of extra damage to them, meaning most of the time trying to block a core with Vortex/Particle Wall Etc isnt really a good idea. The only one this rule does not apply to is Ronin, because his block is a flat damage reduction, not a barrier.

I would consider myself a good Northstar pilot. I would very often be in the top three in Titan brawl. The tick I found for flight core is flight directly above the enemy spinning in circles using Viper thrusters. This made the core effective at instantly dooming Ronins, that would then drop down to execute

Ronin really does need a decent team behind him to be able to shine. All the sword blocking in the world isn't going to help if nobody is taking the opportunity to dish out damage while the enemy is distracted. So many times I've entered into a fight believing some Tone or Ion is right behind me as I dash in to tank damage, only to see them carefully peeking around a corner barely firing at all as I get withered down by 2-3 titans all focusing on me.

what about Titan hard point that ?could be a good time !!

Sword block is just a little too strong right now. There is just no consistent counter to a good Ronin because they are never alone. Here's a good way to put Ronin in a good spot: Make sword block not block fire damage (think incendiary traps), and bring back the ability for Northstar to hit through it (make it require the perk for piercing shots or something). As of right now, a good Ronin will just destroy a team with very little help.

I'm not sure if Northstar would be in F tier, at least in my opinion. I'm not going to argue that she isn't outclassed by ion in almost every single way, but she does have her strengths. With hover and flight core, she can attack from places that, not only can other titans not even attempt, but almost no one would think to expect. Her flanking capabilities are great assuming you position yourself right to make sure that they have to take a beating from your team to come after you and cluster missile is great at forcing them out of cover any way or keeping them from following you as you move a much more favorable position. Flight core is great ganking insurance on top of that, just the rocket pods popping up is more than enough to make most enemies think twice about exposing themselves to attack you, allowing you to either make your escape or wail on those stupid enough to stand in the way. The scenarios you're going to be really screwed is when your have to deal with multiple people working together (or a couple lasershot happy ions), a trait shared by basically every other titan in the game, she's just more susceptible to it with lack of a proper defensive ability.

I really hope they make this a permanent gamemode. It's the only way I've been able to level up my titan effectively

Today I got a 12-3 with ronin in titan brawl. Each execution was more satisfying than the one before. Also, holy shit, I didn't know Highlander FULLY replenishes your core meter on a kill! I'm gonna start using it!

On your Tone segment I agree that she feels in a good place. I kinda wish she can't close-range salvo core straight to your face. Like possible have the salvo core fire at an angle upwards by default and tone needs to direct them back down. Not excessively, but at the same time maybe dashing towards tone is the safest place to be when she salvo cores.

as a Northstar main I can attest to this. Although with turbo engine she can survive really long, assuming that your team isn't trash. I'd like to see her gun be hitscan and maybe a slight rate of fire buff, both of these would make her on par with other titans for dps and pilot killing.

In short: Ion OP; Ronin very strong; Legion/Tone OK; Scorch/Northstar are bad.

I disagree about the Northstar. her cluster missile can really provide massive damage in tight corners. especially when enemies are grouped since titans (except ronin) can't go through friendly titans. Much like ions laser shot, you need to kinda spam cluster missile.

For a new video, maybe a Kraber guide? You can encourage people to get some dank quickscopes in.

"It's very difficult to miss a shot with a laser shot" >Misses the shot the next second xD Btw, great video, thanks

I have played a lot of ronin mostly in pubs and also competitively(LTS).My solution to ballance him a tad more would simply be to make him take if not full then increased damage from electric smoke, cluster, ion s tripwire and scorche s flame shield and traps during swordblock.So scorch can fulfill his role.They are small changes which should make ronin players even more mindful.Damage reduction for shotgun or increase in damage taken during swordblock from any other sources than those mentioned above would be detrimental for ronin. It also makes no sense from a logical standpoint.How on earth do you block smoke or something that s on the ground or an explosion with a sword.They should also fix the laser shot cancel for the overall health of the game.

BTW 3 kits are actually quite good for Northstar in this mode. Threat scope allows you to hit titans that are partially behind cover; Enhaced payload for stacked up noobs; piercing shot for stacked up and ignorant noobs. XD

So far I've seen most of the titans do pretty well in a lot of different situation on brawl, Ronin has definitely been the most flexible, but I've actually had a lot of pain points with really good Northstar's, particularly multiple ones, even on tight map's like Glitch. The key to them is obviously keeping distance, but the combo of traps and cluster missiles can really be a pain. Especially on something like the tight curved corridor on glitch, they don't even need to be in view to lay down a good trap/cluster missile, and then they peak out to hit you with a good sniper shot, it's a great bottleneck where they can hit titans one at a time. I've also had luck with legion, although admittedly against probably worse players. for me the key has been to hang back and just play support/sniper. No one prioritizes a legion that's further away when something else is up close, and once you get noticed you just pop your shield. Once you get smart core you start having a stupid fun time doing a lot of damage, you just don't get the high kill numbers with everyone else taking credit for kills, which i'm okay with. My best match was on exoplanet where i just posted up in the high position of that big empty field while the opposing team just kept coming through from the side with the truck and never deviated strategies, continuing to bottleneck there and getting torn apart by smartcore on LR mode. Ronin definitely gets the most kills (mostly by stealing but thats what the titan is for), I agree that ion does well, and anyone can do okay with tone without having much of a strategy. I love scorch but i agree with your points, it's been the toughest to master in this mode. love your videos! keep it up Frothy!

30 mins of frothy ?!? (Insert Kreygasm here)

How would you suggest nerfing laser shot? Constant drain on charge while holding it? Less damage? Charge up time before firing? Less core charge? There's just so many variables in titan combat.

Alright, I'm feeling like playing a Legion in this mode. Oh, the enemy team has more than zero Ions ? Welp, better take one myself. Northstars ? No Scorches today then. As for Scorch yes, I fucking experienced the spawn problem too many times: I run around the map to flank the enemy or help teammates and all that happened was that by the time I arrived everyone from my team was dead and I was surrounded by 3 Ronins. Funny thing though, I had some real success with the termite launcher enhancing perk and not relying on the Shield - Scorch's gun can actually deal a lot of damage when people are trying to constantly back from you and you have the HP to take it.

I found that now, Northstar is also really good if you have an aggressive team and if you have 2 legions/scorches/legion and scorch and a ronin

Legion needs more mobility or half of the wind up time on his cannon. Northstar needs a modification to her defensive ability or a new one. scorch is good, it just takes good map and flanking knowledge to deal damage. Ronin needs a little less damage blocked from sword block. Ion should have damage drop off on Lazer shot and/or Lazer shot takes up 75% of energy bar.

Doesn't laser shot have limited range? I've used ion and after a certain range I can't seem to hit them.

I'm a tone player and I think ronin is just right. The advantages are that you can easily escape pilots and deal good damage but the real balancing factor is that every titan you target goes at least one third of your health 2 thirds if your mediocre. Your looking at 2-4 kills while a good tone can take minimal to no health per titan attacked.

Another thing worthy mentioning about legion is his dps is lower than ion etc. His damage is never gonna be instantaneous unless you land power shots which again has either limited range or not hitscan. However I'd still say legion himself and the damage he can deal while staying put is worthy of being considerably better than scorch and northstar. I'm not saying he's as good as ronin but he still stands there pushing lanes and dealing consistent damage with a team, so I'd put his potential above scorch and northstar.

I may be the only one, but I think Northstar needs a new core. I don't know what it would be, given her arsenal, but she needs a replacement.

Lol, I'm g8 with ion and never knew the laser shot cancel trick.

I'd recommend not running thermal shield on scorch anymore. after the nerfs to it, its just not enough of a difference in damage to justify it unless you always plan on being in everyone's face and you can do that consistently. Its a much better option to run wildfire launcher since that doubles the splash damage and AOE of your regular shot. Plus with all the extra thermite, a decent chunk of it will stick to an enemy titan and continue to damage them even after dashing away. It gives you more firepower at range and lets you make easier wall shots and have an easier time zoning people by just firing it at the ground and forcing the enemy to move around it or take a bar of damage.

Northstar is kinda sad in this mode. A simple ability outperforms a whole entire class based around the purpose. She needs a shorter hover and tether time, probably slightly, a faster projectile or hitscan, twin tethers default, tethers do 50 ticks per .5 seconds, and flight core has faster rockets. If the damagin tethers are imbalanced, then you could have it so that northstar gets a damage buff every time an enemy stands inside of cluster missiles or tethers. Maybe 25-40%. She should also have a higher travel time during core and hover without viper thrusters and better mobility while higher up.

I do pretty well in ion before I found out about the laser shot

Damn gave away the Ronin counter with Ion

Great vid Frothy, I also wanted to thank you because I just picked up rainbow six siege because of one of your streams and enjoying myself!

Northstar is my B tier for titan brawl but it honestly depends on the speed of the enemy team and the map itself. a slow paced team and its potshot heaven, and if the map is tight quarters then running enhanced cluster bomb is pure FeelsGoodMan. If its an open end map ill probably run viper thrusters since the speed allows me to be aggresive in the air compared to LTS where i use it defensively. Still northstar in titan brawl is very hit or miss due to Ion and ronin matchups

had a 1v1 ronin to ronin one time, we both had core, and the other guy didn't hit hit a single swipe, just because of that melee push away thing. then we did it again, and he pushed me away with his core. traded titan kills

Scorch is a good ronin counter on small maps with little room to move. Inferno shield eats them in no time

what bugs me is that I move from tone to ion when tone was the god she was. then ion becomes the best titan. I can't win

When I played NS in titan brawl, i did VERY well.

does ion shoot Northstar shots or does Northstar shoot laser shots? 🤔

Frosty I'm a really good ronin player (not trying to brag) but when I use him, I use turbo engine and I get the extra ark wave. I don't know if this will help u but it did help me.

And its kinda funny when particle walls get cluster missiled because tone cant shoot without taking dmg

I know this is an old video but rn scorch is great for me in public matches, granted player skill level is a little lower(myself included). But any map that is not wide open I can decimate a team fairly easily. Just takes some well strategized flanks and one or two aggressive teammates.

Ion needs some serious nerfs on laser-shots range

The Ion stack will be the new Tone stack

am I the only one that thinks that scorches grenade launcher should be more like the softball just to balance him against the other Titans a little better

In my experience playing a ronin, I am not able to block legions power shit in a big battle, but if i'm focussed on the legion, i have a pretty decent chance. If you focus on how long he's been shooting in his mag and he stops, you know what's coming a lot of the time. (given the legion is not playing mind games)

What you say about Ronin is so true, I love using him and Monarch basically exclusively.

As both a ronin and northstar main I will tell you @frothyomen that northstar is a direct conter to ronin because flight can often escape melee sword cores tethers can annoy ronins and piercing shot bypasses ronin's sword block and is a lot of damage that a ronin can't avoid with a very well predicted phase, try using northstar more when you run into some a team with a lot of ronins and use double tether and/or piercing shot.

Haven't played Titanfall in a few months and I comeback to find out that ronin is now the meta? I swear if he gets nerfed...

I find that legion makes titan brawl ridiculously easy, even if you get a shit ton of your kills stolen, overcore + sensory array lets you keep firing for days and it's already pretty easy to get smart core.

I mean… my Northstar is tough to beat.

The problem you're having with Northstar core from what I saw in the video is that you're acting as if you are Ion or Tone: you're using it when cornered or confronted trying to out-damage the opponent. What you should be doing with Northstar is making a fighting retreat or running any chance you get unless you're truly cornered. Think of the core as of an attack chopper: get that core, flank the enemy and make a surprise strafing run. Northstar core has good damage but it's dealt over more time than Ion's or Tone's core, it has some splash. The flight property allows you to pick your targets in a group to first focus on the doomed Titans and then the rest thanks to the vantage point you're given. Personally I always use the enhanced jet engines to make surprise attacks quickly and retreat: when you find your enemies, take off rain down and as the core is about to deplete either use the flight to retreat behind cover or to get closer to a doomed opponent to melee him. If you do not have a choice and must pop the core in a direct fight either first get behind a corner before flying up or if the enemy is right in front you first use your smoke and then pop the core - in both cases you gain a second or two for them to reacquire the target adjust their aim, something they didn't have to do in this video before you were using it right as they were looking at them and they just need to slightly raise their aim. One more thing: if you think that the core exposes you too much, press your flight button first and then the core - this will stop you from flying up too much as your Titan will hover closer to the ground during core.

yeh feelsbadman being a scorch main i feel 1. electric smoke shouldn't put out thermite 2. thermite has slowing effects -he hits you with his primary slowed by 20% -throws a canister right next to you and ignites it with firewall -60% total slow now -charges you and hits you with thermite shield (for some reason just go with it) -80% you run away and somehow you've survived eating all that damage and the stacks wear off he pops his core and hits you immediate 80% also ps. let me grab northstar while she's flying and slam her to the ground so she cant just counter every single one of my ability's by using hover mode

TL:DR Ion is S tier because Laser Shot is unfair and Splitter Lens can handle CQC Ronin is really good because he forces the enemy into Terrible certain death situations. The others are pretty good but Ion is better, maybe save for Scorch because he can pull some crazy baloney on small maps, but the Respawning mitigates this. How'd I do?

Hey Frothy I got 9 titan kills before I died using Northstar in titan brawl. In the end I was 11 and 2 it was on Homestead. Not bad I reckon

Frothy when I'm ronin I block everything and my team does nothing