Narrated before, edited after. Tone's playstyle has not changed AT ALL. None of my recommendations changed whatsoever because of the patch. Eyeballing it, Salvo Core is doing a max of about 8k damage now, Sonar Pulse recharge time up 2-3 sec, projectile size technically reduced but feels way too big still. Tone still god tier and plays identically.
Read the other comments here. Frothy also mentions that the nerf wasn't all that hard in a response. It's mostly relative to opinions, though, and, from what I've seen, a lot of people like to overreact to changes.
"Seriously, just shoot 2-3 times, then shoot rockets, repeat until Salvo Core. Wash, rinse, repeat. BOOM! Top of the leaderboard with most Titan damage and kills. That's literally it, video over."
Ashkan Malayeri Well, if you think about it, Ion has multiple playstyles. You could focus on cornering your opponenet, and then decimating them with tripwires and splitter rifle, or you could use her to poke titans from range. also there is the fact that Ion requires power management. That alone makes Ion a much higher skill cap than tone. Ill admit, both titans are easy to play, but come on, Tone is so much more borong than Ion. Ions laser core is possibly the most satisfying in the game. Also, if you hate playing Ion, you obviously havn't bullied a legion before with an amped vortex shield. All Im saying is that sure, tone is just as affective as Ion... But shes so fucking boring to play. I actually have only played about 10 matches with Tone and I got bored so fast, i thought i was getting sick of the game. But as soon as I hopped into Northstar or Ion, i had a blast. Tone is for people who want to be good at the game, rather than have actual fun.
Ashkan Malayeri lol, playtime means nothing though. Just because my Kraber is generation 4 doesnt mean im good with it. Although with as much practice ive had, I am better with most. Im not trying to say tone takes no skill, but i personnaly have no fun playing him. His kit is just to simple to be fair. Also the reason I dont like legion.
@@loveblues9633 Every titan maybe shoot shoot till core but they have a unique way to get the abilities (Unlike Tone or Legion [i still like Legion]) except for Ronin, which is shoot, slash, and block
the nerf did almost nothing, salvo core still destroys and is viable at all ranges and most environments, the projectile size is still big, and thats about all they changed. Still S+, brainless titan.
The Particle Wall > Melee tip is really good along with the splash damage applying locks and aiming your rockets upwards before firing. Lots of people wouldn't be aware of those.
All of that could really be explained as just tips and none of it is essential. Not to mention anyone paying any amount of attention would know these things pretty quickly after player her for a bit. Any 40mm damage gives locks. Why wouldn't splash damage from them give it as well? Pretty obvious. Also the salvo core thing is also a pretty infamous tactic.
I feel people's problem with Tone isn't that she's necessarily overpowered; she's just easy to use. As with a lot of games, most of the complaints I see for Tone are less her actually being a problem and more people not wanting to adapt or learn new strategies. I won't pretend she's not extremely powerful, but playing as Tone almost exclusively it's sort of baffling what people don't do when fighting me. So many people just pretend the rockets aren't even a thing and try tanking them. And then I'll fight people who do know what to do, and it makes Tone feel a lot weaker. Still good, but not broken as many would lead you to believe, and fighting these sorts of people actually requires you to think a little more (such as timing when to shoot your rockets or properly curving them around cover).
I think it's also that fighting tone is really really boring. Every other titan requires alot of thought to play or fight against, fighting tone is annoying for all titans and especially pilots. God forbid you're playing a ogre chassis. Tone will just camp you out until you rush them down or run
Frothy no offense, but..... I'm more of a Tricky Acid fan. He's just funny! I mean, sure, I would LOVE to play a game of attrition With you ( on my side ) but I would like to play with tricky acid, HCF or iniquity better.
Here's a strategy I've adopted when it comes to keeping my Titan alive longer. Run with Emergency Battery and use Arc Grenades and Low Profile, then let the enemy call in his Titan, and take its battery. If you didn't have your Titan fully ready to drop, you certainly would now. Then you get your Titan, a free battery, and a spare one when your shield goes down. My Tone would last so long, I would only lose my Titan nearing the end of the match.
Storm I do that a lot as well. Since I've discovered the grappled message people get, I've had more success in getting titans and surviving in it a long time.
As for Titan kits, I normally run with Turbo Engine, Nuclear Ejection, and Overcore. For Tone's specific kits, I normally run with Enhanced Particle Wall (Though, not as often as I used to.) and Rocket Barrage.
Did the same about a month ago and I ended up playing Apex exactly one more time and then uninstalling the game, there's just no situation where I would play it over Titanfall 2
I will admit, apex is an ok game, but titanfall is a lot faster paced than apex. There’s a lot more to experience in the combat department, rather than like three 5 second fights the entire 15 minute game. And the rest of it you’re running/looting. There’s a hell of a lot more to enjoy.
The best guide video I've ever seen for any game, PERIOD. Great video Frothy you just got a new subscriber. Keep it up you have me very good information and taught me how to use Tone much more effectively. THANK YOU.
Ok, I've been one of the biggest supporters of the Tone nerf, and now that it has happened I hope that it will allow the pilots who main Tone to continue to be amazing. I hate the thought of a Titan or gun being made into a nerf launcher when it only needed a minor change. If you put the time into a Titan and master it you should be allowed to beat the shit out of the kid who only plays every once and a while. TOO WRAP UP, I hope this nerf separates the ones who put in effort with the Tone and the ones who just spammed the hell out of the missile launcher. ❤A Legion pilot.
Even before the nerf I felt it was fair for pilots. You treat a titan looking at you like you would the pilot sentry, fucking run before it shoots you it's your fault if you let it see you long enough to aim and shoot you.
Marcus Smith Ehhhh? I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say here. I was saying that the Tone is the easiest Titan to use and that anyone can pick it up and destroy easily. I hope that the nerf fixes that problem making it so that it actually requires some finesse to pull off the cool stuff.
Hey frothy, with the particle wall damage thing, I think that every titan defensive ability just has a multiplier that causes it to fall extremely fast to cores. For example, ion's vortex shield loses power immediately when hit with a salvo core, same with scorch's thermal shield. I think it's purposely done by the devs so that cores can't just be completely negated by defensive abilities.
As someone who mains tone, this guide is really gonna help me hone in her potential. Thanks frothy! P.s. To anyone thinking im a scrub for saying that, plz take note that I'd kick anyone's ass with all the other titans just as well as with tone. Have a good day! 😊😊😊😊
Really appreciate your work. You take a craftsman like approach to these guides. They are always comprehensive and entertaining. I am subscribing as I write this and look forward to your future content!!!
I Loved your mastering Titans series. Before the videos all I would do is play tone. Now I main ronin and gave fun playing all the other titans as well thanks to you +FrothyOmen. I can't wait to see what other videos you make. Keep up the good work fella!!
As a tone main, I get hated a lot. I feel that tone is hated because of the fact that her 40 mm is pretty broken, and the salvo core as well.however Tone is very easy to counter from my perspective, Ronin, And Scorch I find most effective as a counter. Even though I Main Tone, I hate the splash damage on the 40 mm, it’s a tracking weapon, and it’s shouldn’t be that good. I like tone because it all nails down to one thing: Getting locks. I always like the idea of getting a lock on SOMTHING before firing or shooting it. Ion is also a good counter. I also use tone at medium range and not try to be one of those people that hunt down pilots and titans using sonar lock. I get a lot of hate when I play as tone in the game chat. They should nerf the salvo core as well, it feels dirty when I deal that amount of damage. But I like using Salvo core on groups of titans, so I can deal splash damage to each titan. I love tone because of the lock on gimmick, not that I get kills with her. I also love the executions, they look really cool in my opinion. But I think they should nerf Tones splash damage on the 40 mm, and nerf the salvo core so that it deals less damage on impact. Either way, Tone is my favorite titan still. Cant change my mind.
nothing wrong with that, you should just play whatever you have fun with regardless of what other people think. I mean I'm a ronin/northstar main and fighting tone is one of my favorite matchups since I like the feeling of dodging rockets. The matchup is fun once you know how to dodge tone rockets and tone has counterplay since the way to dodge them depends on the angle the tone fires the rockets.
I’ve currently a 57regen on this game and your tips for pilots/titans have shown me things I would never have thought of doing. I look forward to using these tips.
Always like the content you present, and the manner in which you do so. I am still fairly new to Titanfall 2, and would really like to see a presentation on the RODEO action (basic mechanics, usage, hints, tactics, vs. opposition, support for team, etc. - in other words, a complete picture of it). Thanks again for all that you do for the Titanfall community!
Great guide. It's useful to point out that when trying to be efficient with tracking rockets, more rockets are fired for each lock so if you have one titan at 3 and one or two others at 2 locks it's sometimes worth it to get more locks in that tracking rocket burst rather than immediately launching.
Frothy if your there I love your i stared watching your vids a week after titanfall 2 came out and I watched almost all of them your the best titanfall 2 you tuner with stat testing I just wachted the tone vid it was great
Your videos are awesome! I play on PS4 and I have learned so much of meta and tactics about this game just from your videos. Especially these mastering themed videos have made me respect every titan and I have now played everyone of them at least on g2 level. Thx so much Frothy!
I feel as tone was a Titan that lacked a bit of skill to use, but now that the nerf patch came I really feel like this will really show who uses skill for this Titan based on how easily you kill them -Love an ION pilot
Scorch is a soft check to Ronin, not a counter. Any somewhat competent Ronin knows not to walk into the big fire thing in front of them, while being able to keep effective distances for its shotgun,
ya know, as a tone main, i LOVE burst loader. it's really fun instantly puncturing three bullets into a titan at the same time as one, followed by tracking rockets. admittedly, it really does suck against pilots.
Maybe it’s just me, but I think Tone is balanced currently (in 2020). Ronin is my go-to when I see consistent Tone players, and I become their Kryptonite as soon as I see them. Just use sword block and phase dash and then throw an arc wave in, goes straight through their shield and bust them up with the Leadwall.
"Know your enemy" is the best advice. I love Tone, but I forced myself to play all the Titans to regen to know how they work. It's a lot of fun and I learned that Northstar is beststar.
Don't know if this is crazy or not... but, I think Scorch should have two shots in his launcher and maybe and kit for 3 or something. This will make him a better minion killer and better against other titans. The devs should play with and test the damage output to make sure nothings op. And maybe mess with the cooldown times for his other abilities. As for ronin he needs a few more shots in his primary as well. Similarly, balance the damage output too. Maybe slightly more health. His blocks, arc wave, and mobility are already great. And some kind of buff for northstar for her minion killing output, maybe a sharper reticle, and slightly more health but, not a much a ronins since she has awesome damage output from long ranges. I dont think it would be too difficult to bring the other titans up to par against tone and maybe ion. As for the game, I think it will be amazing by the end of its life cycle even if it has low player count and I have great hopes for titanfall 3. That is where they really need to show us everything they've learned. Step up the graphics, have more map variety, separate maps for pilots versus pilots.. (still have titan mode maps as well in the playlist), more titans, more weapons, more abilities, bring back old maps again (angel city was incredible the first time i played it), and last but not least get more customization into the game. Thats what keeps the cod players goin back for more. And, a few more things I cant think of right now. But anyways, Titanfall really will be something very special one day... I know it. ***Like this so frothy and the devs see this if you agree and reply with opinions.
After 3 years it's sad to see people still hating on tone like she's the most broken titan ever when honestly monarch is wayyy more toxic. Tone can be a bit of a nuisance but has easy counterplay. STOP HATING ON TONE. She really isn't that bad anymore. I honestly would rather fight a team of tones than a team of monarchs.
@@runfast4244 a lot is wrong with her, the fact is that her play style is so vastly different from the rest of the Titans makes her a lot harder to use. She can have more health than a fucking ogre titan, steal a battery on execution, deal a shit ton of damage with the xo16 accelerator, and it’s wayyy too easy to kill pilots with her
@@runfast4244 Yeah, but with battery boost and shield, they're super easy to survive with by default, and arc rounds are busted lol. That's a first core, and after that they're already incredibly hard to stop. They have a hitscan weapon that isn't slow as hell so they can take out pilots incredibly easily, and having the shield ability stun is also massive.
If I'm playing Northstar and a Tone throws up a particle wall, I just shoot my cluster missile at it. People seem to forget that it still does damage when you're standing next to it so I've managed to deal tons of damage to tone. As for the post update? Tone is interesting. The smaller 40mm hit box was definitely noticeable as I seemed to miss a lot of my shots when taking on pilots, but I quickly adjusted. The sonar cooldown time seems WAY too long in my opinion and the Salvo Core...I didn't notice much of a difference to be honest. I took an Ion from full health to doomed with my salvo core yesterday so... Overall Tone seems to be okay. Just my opinion.
Frothy, An excellent Guide as always. There's no better analysis in Titanfall 2 than those that come from FrothyOmen. I'd like to see your new analysis on the updated Titan status post patch. I'm curious to see If the Northstar core has indeed risen to greatness.
I know a lot of people are saying this guide is useless because Tone is brain-dead, but this guide helped me understand footsies with her Particle Shield, and it helped me understand how to use her. Thank you!
Quick question Frothy, since you talked about using the strategy of footies with people approaching your partial wall (and using electric smoke with that), would you consider the extra smoke perk as a potential strategy? Just thinking about options here.
Sure, Tone is sort of weak at point blank so that would help shore up the weakness. It's not an awful pick, but not one that I would personally go for.
To your point about laser core dropping particle wall, I've noticed that with other abilities too. For instance, if you try and block shots from a Legion's Smart Core with an Ion or Scorch shield, the shield drops way faster than normal. I'm assuming this is intentional on Respawn's part, all the defensive abilities seem to suffer from this. Legion's gun shield is a possible exception - maybe this is just post patch but last night I felt like I could block almost all of a Salvo Core with that. it's possible my opponent just missed, but this happened more than once, so I'm not sure.
salvo core is the exception to the exception, lol. It rips through vortex/inferno shield but does nearly nothing to bulwark gun shield or enhanced particle wall.
Gotcha. Now that you mention it, I need to try Legion out some more to confirm, but I feel like smart core doesn't knock particle wall down very well either.
Yea I use ion allot and noticed this four times after patch to in a little time spence there so many legion when legion gets smart core and uses it I put my vortex shield up with increased damage kit to run away and it just goes down in 2 seconds with like full energy thing pls explain
This isn't a post-patch problem, Austin. Smart core and salvo core have always shredded vortex shield and inferno shield. Like Frothy said, it might be a bug, but since Respawn hasn't said anything at all about it, I actually assume it's done on purpose. Vortex and inferno shield can be kept up for such a long duration that if they worked normally against core abilities, you could completely tank an enemy's core, which I don't think would be well-balanced either.
As someone who just picked up the game (I didn't get the chance to play it before the ddos cuz I had a potato pc), I wholeheartedly thank you for this guide. ❤
Excellent video. Would love to see other "mastering" videos on titans (i.e. Mastering Legion). I'm subbed here and subbed to your Twitch channel. Love your streams.
One more thing after live fire I played and I found a enemy team with two legions two tones and a North Star and the tone put up like tone kit particle wall while legion did damage and reloading before it went down and after the particle wall went Down legion used shield and did damage and then dashed behind cover and reloaded and the enemy team did this twice a round with a North Star snipping frothy pls explain how to counter this ion legion maybe scorch with load out I don't know
Ali Essa nah he isn’t a try hard noob it’s just cuz ur so bad at Titanfall 2 that u can’t figure out that almost every Titan can counter her if u play ur cards right
Fantastic vid. I didnt know about the being able to 40mm pilots off of you, sweet stuff. I also experienced the salvo lock issue, costed us the LTS. We tried to do testing and recreate it but we couldnt. I can send you the clip if you want to see it. I also experienced my salvo disapearing and not doing damage to a legion point blank, after I had killed his shield..... also have a clip of that. As always, great vids. and great promo for tf2 :)
I didn’t know you could aim the salvo core up in the air and rain them down on an enemy titan! Thanks for making Tonya (my nickname for the tone) into a killing machine!!
So what role is Tone supposed to play? I've genned her, and I still don't know. She's bulky with decent mobility and burst damage. Bulky sniper, is that even a role? If anything Tone seems like a support class to me, but she was given damage to carry games by herself.
A titan whose sole purpose is to massacre other titans. That's the role. The problem is that Tone is too good at also being able to massacre pilots and minions.
FrothyOmen I completely disagree that the role is needed or fits Tone. Tone's cannon and map hack makes her one of the best pilot killers. Tone suffers against Ronin and Ion as well, meaning a solely anti-titan role is unlikely.
MrAgentIncognito as a tone pilot I would say tone is best at mid range sticking to cover and your particle wall. give Ronin space and use turbo engine to move out of the way of their sword if they get too close
Don't bother leading unless they are super far away, and if they are far away you probably shouldn't be shooting at them with a close-mid range weapon anyways unless they are stationary (Which means you don't need to lead your shot, to begin with). Took me far too long to realize the missiles move really fast so there's not much need to lead your shots. Just run the Extra Ammo and faster Reload perks and you're set. Oh and don't bother with a Anti-Titan weapon. The SMR is pretty much on par with titan weapons in that department anyways unless they are far away. Also, unlike the other Grenadier weapons, staying up high is not recommended. You should stay level with the player since this has very little splash effect, so you want to keep the hitbox as large as possible by staying level with the player.
I don't think you give burst loader enough credit. I've found a lot of players getting smarter about peeking/playing footsie against Tones (which can be a nightmare to deal with depending on map) and against pilots who keep peeking shots. Burst loader lets me get an advantage on their next "peek" (helped by seeing when they peek with Sonar shot). It changes both pilots and Titans from feeling they can outplay/outmaneuver Tone by weaving in/out of walls/cover - they think they can peek me for damage while only taking one 40mm, but instead they eat all 3 and now I have a full lock. This will help even more against Pilots when 40mm projectile size is nerfed.
So I know the Particle Wall is great, but why don't I see Tones using that AND physical cover right behind it to protect their poking? Last time I checked Particle Walls can be destroyed and actual Walls can't :] (Real life walls can though, obligatory trump comment armor~)
Interesting plays here, I now understand how much salvo core kicks ass. Tbh more of an ion player myself since I just never really liked tones core but now realising how you can easily arc it round obstacles instead of head on (never understood how until now)
