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Titanic Tropes: Molly Brown's Lifeboat Rebellions (1953-2012) 

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Note: While Thelma Ritter's character in the 1953 film is not named Molly Brown, she is heavily based on her.
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@saffronthurkettle6795
@saffronthurkettle6795 Год назад
Molly Brown was a legend
@hurricanefury439
@hurricanefury439 Месяц назад
we can all agree that Molly Brown is the best part of every titanic movie
@Swiftie98
@Swiftie98 Месяц назад
Yes, your absolutely right!
@TheNotverysocial
@TheNotverysocial 5 месяцев назад
I notice Cameron is the only one to have Hitchens threaten to throw Molly overboard. All the rest to even include that exchange have the opposite thing happen, and she threatens him with it. And Maude is awfully tame next to the rest of these.
@kimmoj2570
@kimmoj2570 4 месяца назад
Just my guess, but Hichens was quarternaster, and by that capable of violence. Even against woman. His words tell all.
@kimmoj2570
@kimmoj2570 4 месяца назад
BTW it was Hichens who drived Titanic to iceberg. He was at tiller, and Moody was not there all the time watch what he was doing.
@TheNotverysocial
@TheNotverysocial 4 месяца назад
@@kimmoj2570 Moreover, the '96 miniseries is the only one to have that scene take place where it allegedly did, the following morning when Carpathia was visible in the distance, and Hitchens continued being pessimistic about being spotted by them, and Miss Brown fed up with him telling him she'd throw him overboard if he takes a step nearer her to stop the effort of rowing towards Carpathia. The others all have her arguing they should pick some people up from out of the water during the night before due to the boat not even being half full, which isn't when and where it was said to have happened.
@germanname1990
@germanname1990 4 месяца назад
It's indeed a surprise that Cameron's film showed Hitchens threatening to throw Molly overboard rather than the other way around. Now even with that said, Molly's threat in real life did not happen until much later when the Carpathia was first spotted. Hitchens said that the Carpathia was not there for rescue but rather to pick up dead bodies. Given that Molly and Hitchens were certainly at each other's throats throughout the night, this was the last straw for Molly, and what she said next was history that has yet to be portrayed accurately.
@matthewjdenn
@matthewjdenn Год назад
Molly Brown has more balls than Quartermaster Hitchens!
@sailorman9403
@sailorman9403 Год назад
To be fair, Hitchens probably wasn't ready to die. He had been on the ship's wheel when the Titanic struck. Weirdly enough, it was the officers Lowe and Lightoller who probably saved the most people after the sinking. Lightoller took command of the overturned collapsible thus allowing more people to stand on it....if they reached it.
@wayneantoniazzi2706
@wayneantoniazzi2706 5 месяцев назад
@@sailorman9403 Lowe did manage to pull some survivors from the water but I believe only one lived, the cold was too much for the others. Still, he tried.
@michaelbujaki2462
@michaelbujaki2462 Год назад
One error in the 1953 movie is that the Captain didn't sound the alarm to abandon ship.
@sepur_lempung34official
@sepur_lempung34official 5 месяцев назад
So did on the unsinkable Molly Brown
@wayneantoniazzi2706
@wayneantoniazzi2706 5 месяцев назад
No, there was no general alarm as the captain wanted to avoid a panic.
@tomcurda4203
@tomcurda4203 4 месяца назад
Titanic did not HAVE such an alarm
@Captain_barbossa_potc
@Captain_barbossa_potc Месяц назад
@@tomcurda4203you don’t know that
@britmturner843
@britmturner843 Год назад
Molly Brown is such an icon.
@LK_GamingYT1
@LK_GamingYT1 Год назад
Ty for this i was waiting 1958 was my favourite molly brown
@Lums_2.0
@Lums_2.0 Год назад
It's more accurate
@wayneantoniazzi2706
@wayneantoniazzi2706 5 месяцев назад
The best!
@Rudnaz_127
@Rudnaz_127 5 минут назад
the best fr
@wayneantoniazzi2706
@wayneantoniazzi2706 5 месяцев назад
The BEST Molly? The one from "A Night To Remember!" The worst? Kathy Bates from "Titanic." Not Kathy's fault, she had to play the role as written but jeez, as my wife put it "What a wimpy Molly Brown!" Legend has it Molly pulled a pistol on QM Hitchens to get him to turn around but of course it's just a legend. Damn it. Thelma Ritter in the 1953 "Titanic" is an interesting Molly. A Colorado woman with a Brooklyn accent! 🤣
@swigglyforce5215
@swigglyforce5215 3 месяца назад
Kathy bates's molly brown is more accurate. Molly brown said herself that she tried to get them to go back, but she gave up.
@wayneantoniazzi2706
@wayneantoniazzi2706 3 месяца назад
@@swigglyforce5215 Well there's giving up and giving up, if you follow my meaning. Kathy Bate's Molly just GAVE UP. I doubt the real Molly was as intimidated by Hitchins as Kathy's was. AND in addition to which Major Arthur Peuchen was also in Molly's boat. As an industrialist and a Canadian Army reservist he wound up with a bit of a stigma attached to him by his peers for the rest of his life for not asserting command over Hitchens, one of "the lower sort" using the terminology of the time. Probably unfair, but it's too late for Peuchen now.
@NorthWestern1919
@NorthWestern1919 Год назад
If I recall correctly, A Night to Remember producer William MacQuitty said he got along well with almost all the stars, except one. Tucker McGuire, who played Molly Brown was "ornery" in his own words. I don't know exactly what transpired between them on set, and frankly, it's more fun just not knowing what happened between these two. MacQuitty also had a bit of a complicated relationship with Titanic survivor Edith Russell. Apparently she wanted to design the costumes for the film. She was a rather eccentric woman, to say the least.
@CaptainJZH
@CaptainJZH Год назад
Russell the one with the lucky pig, right?
@NorthWestern1919
@NorthWestern1919 Год назад
@@CaptainJZH Yes. I believe that upon first reading Walter Lord's book A Night to Remember, she was angry because she thought him writing about the lucky pig portrayed her as being childish. Lord wrote back to her and told her he meant no disrespect. Eventually the two warmed up to each other and upon her death, she bequeathed him the lucky pig. Basically, from what I've heard, Russell was the type of person who wanted to make sure that everyone in the room knew she had survived the Titanic. I don't mean to come across as disrespectful to her of course, but to me she seemed like somewhat of an attention hog.
@Daniel_Huffman
@Daniel_Huffman Год назад
@@NorthWestern1919 "Attention hog." Was that pun intentional?
@NorthWestern1919
@NorthWestern1919 Год назад
@@Daniel_Huffman I'm afraid not, only now do I realize the unintentional pun I just made.
@wayneantoniazzi2706
@wayneantoniazzi2706 5 месяцев назад
Well, Edith Russell was what we'd call today a "fashionista." At the time she was returning from Europe with reports and samples of the latest trends. If hired to do the costumes for the film she'd probably have done a pretty good job, she was THERE after all.
@ThePlayfurCinema
@ThePlayfurCinema 4 месяца назад
In all the versions where Molly got her way, I wonder if her boat managed to not get turned over.
@haziqhakim5995
@haziqhakim5995 Год назад
They did her dirty in the 1953 Verison 💀 and also the 1964 Verison sounds edited and high pitched
@wayneantoniazzi2706
@wayneantoniazzi2706 5 месяцев назад
1964? That's Debbie Reynolds as Molly Brown as Debbie Reynolds! No disrepect to Debbie, she was a great performer!
@haziqhakim5995
@haziqhakim5995 5 месяцев назад
@@wayneantoniazzi2706I wasn't being mean to her I said why does the movie sound high pitched
@wayneantoniazzi2706
@wayneantoniazzi2706 5 месяцев назад
@@haziqhakim5995 That's Debbie's voice, she was a little over the top in this role.
@Daniel_Huffman
@Daniel_Huffman Год назад
You can really tell how much of a mess Julian Fellows' _Titanic_ was with its weird Lifeboat 4/6/8 hybrid. I find it interesting that many of these productions got a different thing right about what transpired in Lifeboat 6: _ANTR_ had another occupant asking Hichens, "Don't you know you're speaking to a lady?" (This was actually spoken by a stoker transferred from Lifeboat 16, not Major Peuchen) _1996_ had "Maggie" threatening to throw Hichens overboard when the _Carpathia_ was in sight. (He had expressed doubts that she would pick them up rather than objecting to Brown keeping the others warm) and _1997/GOTA_ had Hichens rejecting Captain Smith's orders to pick up more people. (Which was intended for all the lifeboats) Margaret Brown has been described by her descendants as someone who tried to fit in with the other passengers, and I believe that you can still derive humor from her trying and failing to conceal her Midwest accent. Both sides in Lifeboat 6 had a point: They certainly would be at risk of being sucked under by the _Titanic_ or capsized by desperate swimmers that would inadvertently kill those already safe, but they could have still tried to make an effort. By my understanding, the reason #6 did not rescue swimmers was because they lost their bearings when the lights failed and were too far away to locate the site. Hichens was right that they had little chance of being found, but he was still lowering morale by openly expressing this pessimism, and I get the impression that Brown was getting increasingly frustrated with him, but also was trying to act properly despite the dire circumstances, only for her to reach her breaking point and threaten to throw Hichens overboard when he was still cynical about rescue despite it literally being within sight.
@wayneantoniazzi2706
@wayneantoniazzi2706 5 месяцев назад
Had there been no wireless on board to call for help Hitchen's speculation they'd never be found would probably have been correct. Titanic's boats filled with the dead from exposure might have been spotted later but what happened to Titanic would have been a mystery. Of course there was wireless and one of the heroes of the disaster even though he wasn't there was Gugliermo Marconi, the inventor of wireless telegraphy, all realized without wireless there'd have been no survivors at all.
@tomcurda4203
@tomcurda4203 4 месяца назад
Captain J: How about making a trope of Titanic putting to sea?
@PixarShark
@PixarShark Год назад
1:12 - I grew up in the south, and I swear I knew this exact lady at the church we went to at that time. I’m sure any southern child did. 😂
@andiilham6227
@andiilham6227 3 месяца назад
Is this just me but I think Tucker McGuire as Molly Brown in A Night to Remember really looks like Kathy Bates from the 1997 Movie
@returnofthemack8347
@returnofthemack8347 8 месяцев назад
I wish on the 1997 and 2003 version that she checked his ass
@RrooanUTTD981
@RrooanUTTD981 2 месяца назад
1:07 where can i watch the full movie?
@CaptainJZH
@CaptainJZH 2 месяца назад
You can buy or rent it online or on DVD
@harryturner8701
@harryturner8701 5 месяцев назад
I get the impression you don’t like the 1997 version
@CaptainJZH
@CaptainJZH 5 месяцев назад
Where did you get that impression
@harryturner8701
@harryturner8701 5 месяцев назад
@@CaptainJZH you always seem to cut the scenes very short
@CaptainJZH
@CaptainJZH 5 месяцев назад
That's because if I included more the copyright owners will block the video
@harryturner8701
@harryturner8701 5 месяцев назад
@@CaptainJZH ah ok
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