These tests are not scientific at all.This video was made strictly for fun. Both of these pistols are great and very fun to shoot. Thanks for watching.
It's good cartrige for military when you expect enemy with some ballistic shield or vest, but for police or civil purpose, it's nonsense ammo becuase of you don't transfer all energy to target when it's going directly thru it.
Pistols in a military context are rarely used so I'd rather carry the lighter Makrov for size and weight reasons alone. However I think the TT-33 is the better gun. Also the TT-33 recoiled less even though it uses a more powerful cartridge because it's a tilting barrel and the Makarov PM is straight blow back.
How do you carry the TT-33? It doesn't have an external safety and I am not all too happy carrying it with a round in the chamber and the hammer in the half cock position. Only way I can think of is just to carry it empty chamber and draw Israeli Style
@@tommyle7376 me either wouldn’t be so bad I’d imagine though most of impact and force would be done still hurt though lol plus it’s caliber isn’t that powerful compared to most so has low pressure as it is
@@tommyle7376 The guns were originally meant to be carried in a flap holster with an empty chamber, and the hammer lowered (like most military semi-automatics at the time). The half-cock is only really a safety notch, meant to prevent the gun from going off in the event that the user is cocking the hammer and their thumb slips. While many of the versions that have been imported into the U.S. have been retrofitted with manual safeties of one variety or another, I wouldn't necessarily trust them too much. I owned a Yugo M57 that had been equipped with a frame mounted safety (not unlike that on the 1911), but found that the safety could be deactivated if one pulled the trigger hard enough; the guns were never meant to be equipped with a manual safety, after all. That said, I do believe the current production M57s that Zastava manufactures nowadays have slide mounted safeties, which may have a firing pin block (I'm not 100% sure on this), so if you have your heart set on carrying a Tokarev pistol with a loaded chamber, that is the route I would go.
TT is the best I just love the bullet speed 420m/s ,I wish some company would make a modern TT -33 with double stack magazine, accessory rail and threaded barrel.
Tokarev a beast ive always wanted to shoot a mak havent had the pleasure yet but ill put it into perspective the tok ammo out of that barrel is producing about the same energy ftlb as a 357mag around the very high 400ftlbs to mid low 500ftlbs
@@rmt6495 yeah I don't know if u can get it in USA. I saw some guys in Canada have it but I'm from Germany so I'm fucked anyways xD can't get 7.62 caliber handguns
@@Hfvlx3 ok, obviously you don’t think I know my WW2, yes it did exist, very limited tho so the C93 was not an option for me for as it as not I service like the other pistols
TT is better. My dad used to use them when he has in the military in the 80's Poland. He said that the round TT shoots was so powerfull that the old bulletproof vests couldn't stop it.
7.62x25 is quite fascinating as pistol ammo. It's real nasty out of a 16" barrel. Both Russian and Chinese ammo for SMG's have been encountered that feature steel cores for additional penetration to compliment it's laser-straight trajectory. I also appreciate the Tokarev's freakishly tall sights and armor defeating capability (up to level 3).
Forget a 16" Barrel, 7.62x25 is one of (if not the) most powerful semi automatic service pistol rounds ever. It's roughly on par with .357 magnum, the only auto pistol cartridge that has it beat is 10mm
@@praporbarton3961 kinetic energy of tokarev round is better, problem is that it has too better penetration so it can't transfer energy to target beucase it's going clearly thru, but it's better cartrige when you expect enemy to have bulletproof vest
I love how these videos are produced. No unnecessary chit chat and caption inserts move things along. Very informative and enjoyable videos ,thank you.
This! Every vid anymore they just never STFU. Like, no bro, you're not a tier 1 operator/gun designer/super genius. Shut up and show the product/comparison.
@@vardanmkrtchyan3452 A CETME is an exact G3, just manufactured in Spain while they were being advised by HK. Of course, a real HK would stomp a Cetme.
TT and particularly Yoguslavian M57 is the best tokarev in my opinion due to 9 + 1 in the chamber capacity. And TT does have a flat trajectory over a distance more than 9mm or Makarov, though I like Makarov a lot as well, and a well placed powerful TT round is enough than two or three 9mm rounds. It's due to these reasons, that my M57 is my choice for CCW and I do carry.
As a lieutenant, I was astonished to find myself eating breakfast across the mess hall table from a Russian general one morning when I was in the 1st Ranger Battalion at Fort Stewart, Georgia, in 1978. The general was attending our War College and was an honored guest of the Fort's commanding general. He kept me there for three hours as we discussed our armies and what I did in my unit. It was a fantastic experience for me. One thing I learned was pistol qualification in the Russian Army takes place at 80 meters. The general explained the Russians consider their pistols important for fighting in the rubble of cities -- as they often did during World War II. He ended our conversation with this humorous observation: "Lieutenant, the biggest difference I've seen between my army and yours is: in my army the sergeants are skinny like you, and the officers are fat." I would like to add, NOBODY in the US Army is fat anymore. Physical fitness is a big part of service.
@@skullofserpent5727 I know what you mean. I tried it with an issued M1911A1 when I was a range officer one day. At 80 meters the only two ways I could hit a man-size silhouette with more than half my shots were firing off a sandbag in the prone position or with both elbows on a tabletop and sighting with the pistol held at about reading distance from my eyes. I had a thousand or so rounds left over at the end of the day, so my armorer and I burned through it after everybody left. The Army won't let you turn it back in, you know. On the other hand, I don't think the general was lying. Maybe the Russians use bigger targets for qualification? 🙂
@@RoscoesRiffs no. Distance may vary but 25m is farthest u might shoot in training exercises. Bullet count from 3 rounds all the way to 2 magazines. Yes, sure, after practice u might hit things even at 200 meters (jery michulec style) but for pistol, 25 is standard. At least that what it used to be
I was using PW 33 (polish production version of TT) as a second weapon of choice in the army. It is a powerful weapon. There is only one minus of the gun: lack of safety lock. It is true that this weapon is able to penetrate old variants of body armour vests. Greetings for all military policemen :)
And at the same time Red Army discarded it after the first conflict (WW2) where it was used. 1. The pistol at that period was considered as an officer selfdefence weapon and a disciplinary tool. And here PM is way better. Combat pistol is a modern concept, the golden age of pistols and handguns combat usage is ww1, them smgs and later Battle and assult rifles suppressed them completely. 2. TT had certain reliabilty production issues (slide could go off back, sure it is an exceptional case but it was seen in the red army) 3. Usability issues (sovjet soldiers have being losing mags) 4. No SA/DA, sure not an issue for 1911 country. 5. Overpenetration and insoficient stoping power of TT round (many sovjet books pointing this as a reason as well).
The Tokarev is my Favorite, because it has a better impact and penetration power. The only issue with this Pistol is: The Ammunition isn't that common and more expensive than 9mm.
I'd rather carry the Makarov, it has a proper safety and decocker, plus it's a single action/double action gun so you're able to carry with one in the chamber and drop the hammer safely so you can rely on that long initial trigger pull as a safety like you would a double action revolver. Being said, the Tokarev is awesome!
I love the Tok, CZ52 and the 7.62x25 cartridge. I would love a quality modern double stack/double feed, DA in 7.62x25 with a mag capacity of at least 15
@@hildaalone2232 Thanks! People love to bash Norinco, most of their stuff is very good for the price. I had an M14 clone, it ran better than a Springfield after some hand polishing on the internals plus a spring and trigger kit.
In my observation, the dichotomy is between an official's gun and a soldier's gun, both being Soviet made. The Makarov, being an official's gun, is going to be more presentable, better designed for stopping power, and be better suited to the official that wields it. The Tokarev, being a soldier's gun, was designed to be used in the field, was designed to have penetrating power, and was probably designed to be picked out of the mud and shot again like it's counterpart, the AK-47. Both weapons are really nice, but when it comes down to it, I'll take the Tokarev for it's functionality. The Makarov, on the other hand, reminds me of the PPK/S...
@@比特-b5j pistols where used by a lot of jobs, not only officers, if the job requires a more compact and concelable weapon a makarov is the way to go, if you need something with a bit more powerful the tokarev is a good choice. But in the end both are really good and all boils down to personal preference, personaly i like more the tokarev
I like both firearms equally, to be honest, I think it would be a tie because the Makarov is lighter than a TT, but a TT has more power than a Makarov. Both carry the same amount of ammunition and both are quite accurate. Therefore I think it would be a tie between the two.
Depends on the environment. If I was inside with closer shots, the Makarov. Outside with longer shots and possibly shooting through light cover the TT is the better option in my opinion.
Makarov is a better and safer carry option. However Tokarev shoots a more powerful round. The 7.62x25mm is a fast moving nasty little round. I have more faith in It than I do in the 9x18mm
When i look on that pictures TT and Makarov , sorry but I see Walter and Browning, Russian just again stolen ideas, the same situation with PPSH 41 (Suomi 39) and Ak - 47 (StG 44)
9x18 is a little spicier than .380, which a ton of people use for concealed carry. It definitely doesn't compare to 7.62 tokarev, but a makarov is lighter and smaller. I'd rather carry a Tokarev for combat but a Mak for everyday CCW.
Depends on who makes the Makarov bullets. There are FMJ 9x18s out there, though smaller gun ranges often will not allow Bear of Wolf ammo because the steel core is too hazardous to over penetration
I liked my tokarev.. for me it was the most accurate little pistol I have owned.. snap shooting I hit my target with in an inch and a half every time both 7.62 and 9mm
Пистолет ТТ был заменён на ПМ как раз из-за слишком высокой пробивной способности пули, выпущенной из ТТ, что сильно снижало ее останавливающее действие. Вследствие этой особенности ТТ был слабо пригоден в качестве полицейского оружия.
Thank you for the video. Makarov is the best for daily carrying and for the police. Tokarev is the best for the army. Tokarev is more accurate in shooting.
very well done! I would like to see more performances like this for advanced users...without a lot of pointless chatter...I have a subscription...Good job!
Makarov for me just because of the weird grip angle of the tokarev, i think the tokarev looks better but that grip angle makes me draw it low every time haha
Well sonny, think on this. Both guns were used in the first and second world war. Germany at the end of both was defeated, and the United States victorious. Its a pretty safe bet to say who the champion would be, the one who won 2 world wars.
The tokarev is like the Russian hand canon the makarov is just the smol bio pistol. Have shot many makarovs ( even the rare double stack ) very fun little pistols I gave yet to shoot a tokarev and will ask someone I know if I could shoot theirs
What a great video! Absolutely delightful. I had a Tokarev in 9mm many years ago, it was unfortunately stolen. My current defense piece is a Makarov in 9mm Makarov, which is a tad pricey, ya gotta order it, and most of what I find is hollow point (nuthin' wrong with that.) But I got this little guy back when they were $125.00, I gather they cost rather more now. A good, simple, rugged piece -- which is probably why it's lasted this long.
I bought a Russian Makarov in excellent condition for $240(plus a box of HPs) a decade ago and that was a fair price in my opinion. Last time a saw a similar one, $400 was the asking price. Kind of makes me want to go to a gun show and look at prices now.
Вот почему в России охолощенка дороже стоит, чем заграницей оригинальное боевое оружие Нет, серьёзно продавать схп пм 60х годов за 40к (к тому же со след. Года в росгвардии оформлять) грусть-печаль(
I work in the Vietnamese army as an armorer so I was carrying a K14 (14rd double-stack version of TT 33) as a standard side-arm. Since I work with guns often, I got the chance to dump a lot of rounds through both the Makarov and TT-33, I much say the TT-33 is a better gun recoil and damage-wise. The only problem with the TT-33 is that it doesn't have a safety(yes you could push the hammer up but that require you to rack the slide before you shoot and no safety is a pretty big flaw)
Those guns are nice and vintage and I've tested both of them. But once you got used to carry a modern pistol it will be very difficult to use them as a daily weapon.
Not true. I will take a Makarov over a Glock or even the M9 Beretta. Put a few hundred plus round through a Makarov and go fire one oof those "modern" pistols and get back to me.
@@jayrod9979 I put a few THOUSANDS rounds through my Glock and I never had a shooting problem. I can't say the same thing about Makarovs I have seen. On the other hand I didn't say that Makarov's bad. I just sayd that a modern pistol is easier to be carried.
@@mihaimihai9254 I just dont like way a Glock feels in my hands... The M9 Beretta feels more natural to than a Glock, but my experience in the Navy was one jam/stovepipe/misfire in at least 1 in 100 shots so not much love. My Makarov has never jammed/stovepiped/misfired ect. . Obviously there are modern pistols that are superior, but it gets the job done and I would choose it over those 2. Of course a major drawback in a firefight is only having an 8 round magazine. Dropping the magazine quickly with a Makarov takes some practice but is quite doable. Im guessing the first pistol you ever fired was a Glock?
@@mihaimihai9254 What do you mean shooting problem with a Makarov? Like I said, never had mine(Russian version) ever have an issue and ive put some dirty ammo through it. The sights are poor on a Makarov but in a close range tactical situation you will not have time to line up your sights, no matter how good they(the sights) or you are...so that does not worry me. Glocks are known for their reliability and are no doubt accurate. I believe they are still the number one service pistol for law enforcement in the US. They just dont feel natural in my hands...
@@jayrod9979 Hi! I hope you will excuse me for my late answer. I simly haven't seen your replies. The first pistol I fired was a Romanian model 1974 named Carpatzi (Carpathians) a Romanian pistol based on Walter PPK. When I started shooting as a civilian I did it with a CZ 75 and Sig P320. People from the range where I started to shoot have told me that only Glock offers a 10 years waranty for range use. This is why I decided to bet on Glock as a personal weapon. Makarov is a great pistol for its age. It's a master piece comparing it with that Romanian 1974 Model I told you about. But it's a heavy weapon and the sights are not very easy to be seen. On the other hand 9X18 mm ammunition is quite hard to be found in my country. I like a lit Bertta m9. Bertta 92 x performance is on my short list in terms of a competition pistol purchasing, But its to havy for everyday carring. I respect Makarov but I'd never choose it as concealed carry pistol. Let's have in mind the fact that even Russians have replaced it.
Both these guns are symbols of the 90s in Russia and other neighboring states. They symbolize terror, chaos and instability that ruled back then. Nice video.
