Tom Brady, Belichick, & Robert Kraft's fractured relationship - Skip & Shannon | NFL | UNDISPUTED 

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Cutting a player a day before the Super Bowl is a whole other level of cold blooded

This is when the show is at its best. When Skip and Shannon can just talk, and it’s not some contrived debate where they each have to pick a side

this duo Shannon and Skip is just world class. Love it

Brady never wanted special treatment. He just wanted to be appreciated by the coach that he played with for 20 years. It’s honestly very sad. 😞

Brady (Darth Vader) finally turned on the Emperor (Bill Palpatine). This SNF is gonna be the most watched regular season game ever.

This was one of their best convos

EVERYONE knew Belechick was a cold and calculating guy since his days as the Giants defensive coordinator under Parcells back in the 80s!

Man that Tom Brady 10 Episode Doc is gonna be crazier than Last Dance at this point lol.

Never forget: We will never see that Robert Kraft tape from the massage parlor. He beat that charge moonwalking 🐐🐐🐐

1. Bill Belichick is 62-74 (45.6%) in the regular season as a head coach without Tom Brady and 219-64 (77.4%) with Tom Brady 2. Bill Belichick is 1-1 (50.0%) in the playoffs as a head coach without Tom Brady and is 30-11(73.2%) in the playoffs with Tom Brady 3. Bernie Kosar, Vinny Testaverde, Drew Bledsoe, Matt Cassell, Jimmy Garroppolo, and Cam Newton have a *COMBINED* 11 Pro Bowl selections, 16 playoff appearances, 6 conference championship game appearances, and 3 Super Bowl appearances with 8 different head coaches in their careers. Those same 6 quarterbacks have made a *TOTAL* of 0 Pro Bowls, 1 playoff appearance, and 0 conference championship game appearances with Belichick as their head coach 4. Belichick has 8 full seasons as a head coach without Brady under his belt. In those 8 seasons without Brady, he has failed to make the playoffs 7 times with 6 losing seasons 5. Belichick was fired from the Cleveland Browns prior to the 1996 NFL season. The Browns were then promptly relocated to Baltimore where they won a Super Bowl in the 2000 season 6. Belichick was hired as the Browns head coach prior to the 1991 NFL season. The Browns played in the AFC Championship game in 1986, 1987, and 1989 7. Belichick is 26-30 (46.4%) as head coach of the Patriots without Tom Brady. He saw an *IMMEDIATE* 6 win increase and Super Bowl win as soon as Brady became starter in 2001 and saw an *IMMEDIATE* 5 win dropoff and playoff miss when Brady missed an entire season in 2008. Then he saw another *IMMEDIATE* 5 win dropoff once Tom Brady left for the Buccaneers in 2020 8. The 2008 Patriots scored 179 fewer points (11.2 PPG) than their 2007 counterparts and Matt Cassell threw for 1,113 fewer yards, 29 fewer touchdowns, 4 more interceptions, and had a 27.8 decrease in passer rating from Tom Brady in 2007 with the only subtractions from the team being Asante Samuel and Tom Brady. The 2008 Patriots also had the 5th easiest SOS and were 2-4 against playoff teams while still missing the playoffs. The 2007 Patriots had the 8th hardest SOS while being 6-0 against playoff teams in the regular season 9. Drew Bledsoe made the Pro Bowl with 3 different head coaches, but couldn't with Belichick. Drew Bledsoe also threw for 3,691 yards in 18 games with Belichick, but the moment he goes to Buffalo, he throws for 4,354 yards while posting a better record (being a win away from making the playoffs) and making the Pro Bowl 10. Pete Carroll took the Patriots under Drew Bledsoe to the playoffs twice while Belichick could not do it in his season with Bledsoe. In his 3 seasons as the Patriots head coach, Pete Carroll went 27-21 with 2 playoff appearances and 0 losing seasons 11. In his 6 years as a head coach before 2001, Bill Belichick had never had a top 10 ranked scoring offense. The Patriots offense ranked 25th in 2000 with Drew Bledsoe at quarterback. In 2001, Tom Brady's first year as a starter, the Patriots ranked 6th in scoring offense 12. Drew Bledsoe has had 10 career 40+ point games in his career, with 3 different teams and 3 different head coaches. His highest point total under Bill Belichick was 30 points which was achieved just once in 18 games 13. Drew Bledsoe's worst career record of 5-11 was achieved with Bill Belichick as head coach. Bledsoe has produced a better record with every other head coach and team he's ever played for, including the Buffalo Bills 14. Vinny Testaverde's best season under Bill Belichick was in 1995 when he threw for 2,887 yards and 17 touchdowns. The very next season Bill Belichick was fired and Testaverde threw for 4,177 yards and 33 touchdowns while making the Pro Bowl under interim head coach Ted Marchibroda. Testaverde now sits at #15 all time in passing yards and #16 all time in passing touchdowns. He has 7 seasons that are better than his best season with Belichick 15. The Patriots offensive coordinator Charlie Weis from 2000-2004, produced 3 top 10 scoring offenses in 4 seasons with Brady as his starting quarterback. Without Brady, he has only produced 1 top 10 scoring offense in 5 seasons 16. Josh McDaniels who was the Patriots offensive coordinator from 2006-2008, and then from 2012-2019, has had a top 10 scoring offense every single year Brady has been his starting quarterback. McDaniels left to become the head coach of the Denver Broncos from 2009-2010. In those two seasons, his scoring offense ranked 20th and 19th respectively. McDaniels was then fired and became the offensive coordinator of the St. Louis Rams in 2011 where his scoring offense ranked 32nd among teams 17. Bill O'Brien became the Patriots offensive coordinator in 2011 where he had the #3 scoring offense in the league. He then went on to be the head coach of the Houston Texans, where, in 6 seasons with the team, he still hasn't produced 1 top 10 scoring offense, even with players like Deshaun Watson and DeAndre Hopkins 18. Before Tom Brady, Bill Belichick had never coached a team with either 4,000 passing yards or 30 passing touchdowns in a season. In fact, he didn't do it when Tom Brady missed an entire season in 2008 or in 2020 after Brady left via free agent one year following Tom Brady throwing for over 4,000 yards at 42 years old 19. Bill Belichick fully expected to be fired in the 2001 season before the Drew Bledsoe injury. According to Charlie Weis, Belichick called him on the phone and told him to put his house up for sale because he didn't think they were going to last too much longer. According to a Jets coach, in week 2 Belichick and Charlie Weis were talking to them before the game and were saying "We're going to get fired". The Jets coach then detailed how Belichick told them how they didn't want Bledsoe, but he was a big locker room presence 20. Bill Belichick had 3 quarterbacks to start under him that were drafted 1st overall in their respective drafts. Bill Belichick has gone 16-15 with Vinny Testaverde (drafted 1st overall in 1987 NFL draft), 5-13 with Drew Bledsoe (drafted 1st overall in 1993 NFL draft), and 7-8 with Cam Newton (drafted 1st overall in 2011 NFL draft) for a COMBINED record of 28 -36 (43.8%) with 1st overall draft picks at quarterback 21. Bill Belichick has gone 14-21 (40.0%) with quarterbacks that have gone on to make the Super Bowl with another head coach. Bill Belichick has gone 5-13 with Drew Bledsoe who made the Super Bowl in 1996 with Bill Parcels as head coach, 2-0 with Jimmy Garroppolo who made the Super Bowl in 2019 with Kyle Shanahan as head coach, and 7-8 with Cam Newton, who made the Super Bowl in 2015 with Ron Rivera as head coach. 22. In 2016, when Tom Brady missed 4 games due to suspension, the Patriots went 3-1 with Jimmy Garroppolo and then Jacoby Brissett at quarterbacks. In those 4 games, the Patriots played 2 games against teams who finished the season with losing records, 3 games at home, and they were shut out 16-0 to a Buffalo Bills team at home whom Brady put up 41 points against 4 weeks later on the road. The best team the Patriots played in those 4 games were the Houston Texans, who had 16 touchdowns to 17 interceptions on the season and had the same number of fumbles lost as rushing touchdowns. Jacoby Brissett threw a grand total of 0 touchdown passes in 10 quarters played during that 4 game stretch 23. Art Modell is 305-253-8 (54.7%), with 18 playoff appearances, 8 conference championship game appearances, a NFL championship (1964), and a Super Bowl championship (2000) as a NFL owner in games Bill Belichick was not his head coach. In games Bill Belichick was his head coach, Art Modell is 36-44 (45.0%) with 1 playoff appearance and 0 conference championship game appearances 24. Robert Kraft was 54-42 (56.3%), with 4 playoff appearances, 1 conference championship game appearance, and 1 Super Bowl appearance in 6 seasons as a NFL owner from 1994-1999 (bought the team in 1994) without Bill Belichick as his head coach. Robert Kraft is 26-30 (46.4%) with 0 playoff appearances in 3 FULL seasons with a Bradyless Bill Belichick as his head coach

Belichick literally benched his best cornerback before the super bowl vs the Eagles if that's not cold blooded idk what is

Who cares? Tom Brady left to Tampa, WON a Super Bowl which is an automatic smack in Patriots mouth👊🏼

Stephen a really think he got the best morning sports show lmaoooooooo this show clearly better

I can’t imagine having probably the greatest football player ever and not wanting him anymore. Even in his 40s he is still producing at a high level. How big must your ego be?

I love this show so much, by far the best talking heads in sports and it’s not even close…. That being said can you please start talking about something else other than LJ, the Lakers, Brady, and the cowboys? Once or twice a week is fine but it’s a everyday thing and some times 2-3 topics in one day are about the cowboys and it gets old!

Sharpe just wants Tom to keep winning, he just won't say it. That's why he has to keep dumping fuel on Tom's fire.

This is why this show is the best. Skip knew leaving First Take was gonna work with Shannon.

Skip n Shannon =Greatest Duo Of All Time.🔥

I'm not a Brady fan at all but I love his obsession and work ethic. How does a coach of 20 years and numerous superbowl wins not even meet with his qb before he leaves. That is some serious disdain. I just want to know what is it about Tom that he refuses to show him any kind of love it's strictly business.

Shannon speaking straight facts like always 🐐

Absolutely loved this segment. These two have peaks no other members of the media can touch

The joy in Skips eyes when he starts talking about those 90's Cowboys is literally hilarious

Winning trumps all but if you're being mistreated or feel like you're under appreciated he will go win somewhere else. Bill has this idea in his head that he can pull a Tom Brady from anywhere

When comes to Belichek and Brady saga could listen to these guys all day They know how to narrate it🙏🙏

Amazing analysis by Shannon and especially skip this is 20 years of them remembering every detail keep it up fellas number one show by far

Best discussion between these two I've watched, Instead of against brady for brady, Enjoyed this immensely,

It’s the one thing that is true with any coach in any sport, as long as you win you can get away with a lot; just look at bob knight as well.

Its crazy how when the Patriots were winning super bowls nobody had a problem

Undisputed is the premier show. The focus is always on the heavy weights, the undisputed champions. So expect the shows to focus on the best and most popular. FS1 uses FTF and SFY as backups to test new topics.

Exactly Shannon! It is a business, that being said, just like any business I’ve experienced, if an employee leaves after a couple years, they will be thanked for their time and work, BUT I’ve noticed, the people who spent literally decades, once they leave they get a bigger better farewell and it’s just what they deserve for what they’ve done. That being said, Tom should’ve been treated differently when he left, and let’s be honest, Bill thought Tom had nothing left. I was a die hard pats fan, but after what they did, and everything, I’m no longer a big pats fan as I once was, from 2000-2020. Have been my fav pats/team. Just like Tom, I’m moving on.

wow, this is one of the first times i've ever agreed with shannon 100% lol

Great piece, this is why this is the best show in sports!

"Toms better than me" lmaoooo

Bill Belicheck deserves zero wins for the rest of his career for the way he treated people that gave him years of service… karma is paying the old grumpy man back

Btw Brady, Belichick, Kraft, and the Patriots didn't speak to the author of the book about anything in the book nor did they contribute anything.

Belichick isnt as condescending as he is now when he was just a dc in ny, or a hc with the browns. He was all smiles unless they lost and always welcoming all questions. His ego became so big as success came. He’s a good defensive coach and he always had an eye to good defensive plAyers. He cant accept that he’s a swing and miss when it comes to skill players. To his credit, that got him Brady in check all the way to his 19th yr.

This show is so good 💫

Bill Belichick: “96X BAM! The future of rock n roll,”🤣

Me and my baby mama love this show. She don't understand sports but she loves the back n forth debate

Shannon made me laugh for a good10 minutes when he said Brady thought Belichick was a B*hole!!!

Belichick is the perfect example that Success doesn't equal Happiness. Patriots won a lot of championships but the happiness wasn't there Belichick is basically what workinf corporate is like at its worst. Give him an inch and he'll take it a mile.

Great great analysis and show! Bravo

I love to watch you guys skip and shannon you guys are geniuses when it comes to football!!!! You are very entertaining!!! Thanks guys for all the information!!!

18:05 finally some Phil Jackson truth

Thank god Shannon has finally turned the corner on Tom Brady I’m actually proud of him for not putting Tom down to much this season so far

Yeah Tom was furious about that benching of Butler in SB 53 until now I think. You can watch it on one of the Bucs documentary where he talked with DC Todd and then Tom was assured the Chiefs won't score 40+ points referring to that Eagles SB loss.

Bellichick probably has 200 mics and hidden cameras waiting for Tommy

Whenever Shannon says "Mr. Kraft" what I hear is "Mr. Crab" in spongebob square pants

Tyquan Underwood story is low down BB is so heartless like a mortal kombat character

I second that!! This is the best pairing. I guess the rumors that this duo may be separating we’re not true right?

GREAT DISCUSSION!!!

Tom and Bill gonna have a interview like shaq and Kobe and break the Internet one day 🤣🤣💯

Best show by far.. love them

Skip wishes he ever had a coach that could lead him to this type of glory

If he met him after the game that is treating him different than the other players never seen him nobody else once they left the team me after a game

Tom is better than me 🤣🤣🤣🤣 quote Unc. SHAY SHAY.

It's gonna be super interesting to see what the Pats do in the next few years without Tom. So much drama. :)

Gotta get this book. Sounds like a fast read.

Gadamn it Bill! 🤦🏾‍♂️ We could’ve been a dynasty…. Well, a triple dynasty I mean. 😂

Shannon said he like rain man😂😂😂😂

What was the point of cutting someone a day before the Super Bowl, the last game of the season? That's next-level cold blooded.

What is this book called. I am so interested in it now...

This is like a boy band breakup except if they were all on TRT

I hope this game lives up to all this hype

Coach Pop always gets compared to Belichick because of their coaching prowess and ties to a generational talent. The big difference is that Pop, from Day 1, always said that the Spurs were Duncan's team, and he'd coach as long as Duncan wanted him to.

So where can I read the book?

I always wondered about that malcolm butler benching now i know a little of that. Now i want to know about the decision to by the coaches and russell Wilson to not pass to marshawn lynch who was shredding everyone 🤔 2 of biggest mysteries in recent history

In my humble opinion if he never drafted father time he would only had those 2 rings

BRADY DESERVED A DIFFERENT TRESTMENT JUST A LITTLE MORE

Cant wait for the Tom Brady doc after this😂

The Patriots lost a Super Bowl cause Bill benched Butler.

3:41 Shannon funny af! Love his way how he comes with the metaphors...poor Mr. Kraft 🤣🤣🤣 "I'm not gonna cut this golden gooses head off! It was the farmer!" 🥶🥶🥶 🤣🤣🤣

They about make bill retire 😂😂💀💀

How is this book called?

Bill a shooter 😳 cold hearted he’s on “ demon time “ 😂😂😂😂

Just makes Brady look even better if that's possible

Nobody is bringing him up but my suspicions were raised when they cut Vinatieri. At the time I was like that's cold. After what he did winning them their first super how could they do that? I was scratching my head.

Bellicheat can't win without Brady. He isn't the coach that Brady made him look. Brady made Bill. Bill didn't make Brady. Bellicheats decision making cost Brady a super bowl against the Eagles and Giants. Bill gets way too much credit for Brady's legendary career.

Brady has 7 Rings💍 and still has to be treated like everybody else especially coming from being a 6th round 199 pick and taking The patriots to the super bowl his first year starting 👨🏿‍🎨

Wow it amazing the things that come forth I didnt now all this about the Belichick Brady relationship nor how much of a to there point scoundrel thats in Belichick

Whats the name of the book

What book is this?

Funny how it’s all comin out now right before the big game… classic

He so southern she couldn't understand him at the end...🤣 🤣

❤ and hate more so on shannon's part😁 ❤ the sports opera😂😂😂😂😂

BRADY EARNED IT AND BELLICHICK DROPPED THE BALL SIMPLE AS THAT ALL BRADY WANTED WAS A LITTLE MORE

Remember what comes around goes around and when you point a finger there are three pointing back

Why skip change the question lmaooooo

Belichek went to the Bobby Knight school of charm.

Mr Kraft loves them happy endings.....hahahaha

9:58 calling someone a butthole is very underrated

This segment got some wwe attitude era to it with the A____le being edited in Shannon’s speech.

This is great 👍👍👍

Good for Shannon actually be kind to Tom Brady!

It's giving Game of Thrones 😂

Lol. "A 1."

I always think Shannon is says Mr. Krabs

Kraft and Belichek are going to get what they deserve.

Bill is so good. Look at his body of work prior to Tom. Then look at it after Tom.nuff said.