Old Tom Dwan clips are so interesting. Ten years ago he was a madman gambler. Now with gto being so popular a lot of his plays look fairly standard in retrospect.
He was definitely ahead of his time in a lot of ways. But he definitely wasn't playing gto, he was playing exploitative based on the massive weaknesses of other players at the time
What I always love about this hand is how both of them being stuck plays HUGE into how both of them are perceiving each other as well as trying to convince themselves they can win this hand.
British accent? Scottish, Welsh, English or Northern Irish? Ah let me guess, English because Americans think english and British are the same thing. Try reading a book
@@BallJuiceOfZeus Just like there isn’t an American accent. But most foreigners can’t distinguish between the accents from Minnesota, New York. Calgary. Dallas, and Atlanta. “American English” is used despite America not being a country. As someone from the states, my ear isn’t attuned to differentiate between a London and Yorkshire accent, for example. Or a Cardiff and Edinburg accent. I’m using British as a catch-all term because most people understand the joke that way. Being overly pedantic isn’t the smartest way to make a joke.
Hypocrite Hellmuth at it again... moans and crys when others at the table are talking while he's got a big decision to make and yet here he is chatting and laughing away throughout the entirety of Dwans though process
unbelievable just like WSOP situation where phil once again got away with his crying and moaning after revealing he was likely to fold during the hand and refuses to apologize
You could just imagine the fucker too if he was in the same position "OHH MY GOD EVERYONE IS TAAAALKING I CANNT THINK FOR A BIG POOOT, CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS?!?!?"
@@Alex-mh8yb tony g said the similar thing about durr … and yeah I’ve been in some fairy decent final table hands for decent money .. sooooo yeah I can say
Incredible technical play from Tom! Part of his reasoning probably included the fact that PA was unlikely to have KQ or K8 or 888 because of his hands card removal.
PA could have been doing pot control on turn as Dwan may have had 67, and then PA valued huge on river with something like KJ, KQ, KA when checked to. It was a unusual decision I think considering his bet into 3 players on flop. Would like to hear his take on it. Possibly a tell or something helped.
Dwan always checks turn with a pair of kings here. I hate this river bet by Antonius. All in shove or just take the show down value of your ace for free.
I kind of agree. He was trying to rep KQ, but should have just laid the hammer down and repped the straight or set. That or gave up. His CBet was already a little out of line.
I love all the armchair poker pros acting like this was a super easy decision. There's multiple straight possibilities. Yeah there is only one overcard but given how aggressive the table was pre-flop it's reasonable to assume someone might have a high pocket pair like Qs or Js. This guy bet 80k into a 120k pot. That's not an easy call to make. Dwan called with a medium pair. That's a hero call.
Antonius made a strategic mistake of not betting on the turn....he could have had it if he bet huge on the turn instead of the river. Of couse, it's much easier for me to saying this watching the video instead of in the game live.
Tom Dwan is probably thinking, wat sort of hand will bet on the flop, check the turn n fire on the river on such a dry board. It is either A3 suited or some stone cold bluff like Ax..
Well, the amount of the pot was scary, I don't think the call was a hero call. Patrick's bet didn't make sense and Dwan thought of what he 'could' have and it was worth it to call. If the pot was 3k- he still woulda called and been correct.
@@chrismoltasanti It was Polk and some nerd looking guy who knew a lot of poker players. They were choosing the top 20 of all time. Amarillo Slim even got a nod.
i dont like to see the potsize or what happens in the end with the name of the Video.. its annoying to know what happens before you watch video.. who is with me?
You said that backwards by the way. There are lots of battles in any war, so... "You may have won this battle, but you will not win the war" is the correct way of phrasing it.
I think regardless, reading opponents and their habits is an important part of the game, and at the top level, while I wouldnt make this play I can understand the need to mix up and understanding other people are thinking the same
I would have put Antonio on 55 for a check-raise turn but Dwan checked, so he was going for value with 82k river bet. He played as if he had a 55 set, so that's a hero call.
Maybe " find out where he is and make it 75k-80k". 😂 Lol And no one reacts to this absolutely idiotic commentary. I don't care what era it was, the stupidity of that play with 2nd pair in an obscenely bloated pot is legandary
Phil Helmuth should of taken interest in the hand instead of rabbiting on. He might of learned something on playing high cash poker. And not losing hundreds of thousands of dollars later on.
If Antonius had top pair or over pair or anything better, he would more likely bet the turn, as Dwan called the flop. Specially with a king to protect against an ace, unless he got AK and still would be more likely to bet on turn. So it would be a trap, or a bluff. More likely a bluff. But the problem is that Antonius is a very tight player, doesn't bluff much. Looks like a trap, but would he be trapping with KQ? Nah, only with AK, so in his range he is like less than 20% trapping, usually you don't trap with overcards, but you play the value betting, the EV is much better when the villain gets the top pair, or a bluff-catcher. So it could be a trap with AK or a bluff, with total air, or a low pair is it worth to call? Not sure, he could be bluffing with KQ, KJ, as he would be afraind of the AK that Dwn could also have. So it would be logic to check/fold with KQ KJ, as bluffing won't make those hands fold. It's a very nice call, and we can call it a hero call, because it demands a lot of information and analysis to get to the fact that it's more likely a bluff with no K. (still could be A8)
The hand reading in the commentary is fairly accurate I think. The primary hands that do this for value are hands like 99 and TT that raise pre, bet flop for protection and then check turn. JJ and QQ could go either way on the turn but could certainly take this line for value as well. Once you get the checkback on the turn you are pretty sure those hands are good and are betting them for value targeting a hand like 8x, 77 or 66. A9 is a pretty good choice to take this line since it picks up no equity on the turn (unlike A7, A6 and A3 which would likely continue barreling) but is not beating very many hands that would call flop and check back turn. What it does beat, Dwan is very likely to bluff. Antonius' bet size is kind of weird though, I would think that he would take a sizing closer to half pot for value. So that may have been a bit of a mistake. Blocking QQ is also good for Dwan. All in all a sharp but not particularly insane hero call by Dwan's standards.
@@RaulGroom yes for sure, when saying something better than overpair I mean 3 of a kind too, but there would be 44 or 88. He blocks the 88, so just the 44 which is less likely. yes the TT are not out of league but why would he check then? makes no sens. So there is one combo of 88 and 3 combos of 44. while he has way mor overpairs, top pair, that the % added will not change a lot the decision making. Q8 is a very good blocker here, but live poker isn't only about that, he might see some tells on Antonius, and overall seems like a +ev call
everyone eventually winds up several hundred thousand dollars down.........and whoever wins the money pisses it away at the sports book or blackjack tables...............
This may not be an easy call for the size of the game, but if you’re calling flop, x x turn, and river is a brick, it’s a snap call. Antonius is going to occasionally have a set of kings, and about 3 combos of A3. but is he ever doing this with QQ - 99? No way.
Or AA, AK, KQ, that he checked back on the turn for pot control. Its absolutely not a snap call. Just because it goes check check on the turn doesn't mean they always have nothing... you also have to consider Patrick bet into 3 players on the flop. More often than not Patrick will have the best hand and then I bet you'd say "oh yeah of course you can't call with middle pair"
@@failingatlife9812 Why would he need to pot control on that super dry board? A strong king there will almost never be behind, and he has to get value from weaker Ks. That's a classic three-street value board. And when I say it's a snap call, I don't mean that Tom can be confident he is good there a majority of the time. But he is certainly good enough times given the pot odds.
@@davidr1620 you're obviously under the impression that bet, check, bet lines are always bluffs and never value. That's a huge flaw in your mindset. If a specific player has tendencies to bluff this way then sure but to say "oh yeah you always gotta call with middle pair here" is an absolute joke. In a multiway pot middle pair facing this line is rarely going to be good. Tom made a good read and found a bluff, but if he just calls this spot everytime it's extremely unprofitable.
@@failingatlife9812 I’m not even claiming Tom is good here a majority of the time. Just good enough for his pot odds, especially against an aggressive player like antonius
Love how the brilliant overtalkers on the vid completely miss the A-2-3-4-5 draw and repp. Lame talking heads. That is what I think Tom was working through. Durrrrrrr for the Win!!!!!!
antonius looked like he was caught with his hand in the cookie jar. his ♡ was pumping out of his chest 7:10. he didn't bet on 4th... some of the many tells that no doubt lead to this call.
Phil H is great at exploiting bad players. He would be a hilariously entertaining fish at this table. Laak is great fun. Not sure about Esfandiari. What makes you say he's bad?
I respect his ability to play poker, but my god hes such an obstinate mouth breather it just hurts to look at, and he stares down his opponents, id look away just cause id be grossed out 😆
Its a bad river bet imo. Dwan even says "I'm trying to figure out why he wouldnt bet the turn with a good hand". Its a polarizing bet. usually going to be the straight or nothing and it makes not sense to have the straight given how the hand went. Not saying its an easy call, but for Dwan it was probably easier than alot he's made in the past.
@@pcox530 they explained the Patrick MIGHT be checking back the king because there was no draws and he was hoping to get paid off on the river. Lotta factors plus with that much cash.
Thank god somebody said it. I make calls like this all the time. The only thing that makes it different is the amount of money these guys are playing for. But they are all rolled for the game, so the money doesn't mean any more to them than 1k means to me.
@Peyton Boyd It means that their bankrolls support the stakes they are playing. See. I am a casual regular at the casino. I have a few thousand set aside so that I can play regularly, that's my bankroll. So if I was to buy in for a game with a $20 big blind my entire bankroll would be on the table and I could lose it all on one hand. You would say "he wasn't properly rolled for that game." Meaning my bankroll couldn't support me playing at those stakes. Well these guys have bankrolls in the millions or possibly tens of millions. So calling 80k doesn't mean to them what it does to us. And if you stop looking at the amount and just focus on how many big blinds it is, this is a pretty standard call that your average reg playing 10c/20c online makes in his sleep.
@@connman8d617 It's a shame that you were not born rich like these guys and you have to always play against regulars, we would see you at that table playing against professionals
