Tom Dwan vs Phil Hellmuth: Idiot or Genius? 

He did a similar thing with Negreanu a long time ago in a hand he lost saying he knew he was weak before the flop. He had A4 and Daniel had A10 😂😂😂

@@ZToxLives delusional Phil at his best 😂😂

Somewhere, there must be cash games Phil beats; just not on TV.

I want to see Helmuth and Dwan play that heads up battle!! Let's see the rematch!

Having second pair is really not nothing lol

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This reminds me of Selbst who constantly complains to her friends about losing because "some idiot with pocket A's called her all-in"

This caught me off guard 😂😂

Honey: I know Pumpkin

Honey: That's because you're a genius, Phil.

That's not the point... Phil is saying he knew Dwan didn't have a premium hand. Learn poker.

I'm pretty tired of these stupid comments. we know that. do you even get what he means though? so what.....he can never bluff or sniff things out?

According to GTO and my solver Phil should bluff on that hand 34. 55776% assuming Dwan blinked 3 times before he put his chips in

Thats what he assumed and thats why he lost. Of course he knows the hand is insane.

The point phil is saying is he shoulda put dwan on a wider range than just premium hands and had he then he may have folded assuming dwan had more combos where he's holding a 10..

That's what I love about watching him play 😁

I would love to know what he's thinking 🤔

No one will knows unless some brain guy scan them out.

You mean Phil’s insane range? JTs vs 97o lol

His ego too!

Honestly part of me thinks I'd bluff huge at him just to see a Helmuth full tilt live in person

Lmao it’ll be worth

His ego is his biggest krypto.. he is deceng at best

@@kendyjapri7869 lol and now he's pimping crypto

Dwan, dudes still going too ! He looks old now

@@loucard4856 still crushing though 😆

@@Joseph-ny5rr seems that way :D

Yeah awesome clickbaits, searched for poker 2021, and get these 2000 'gem'.

Same here

his personality really made the show enjoyable as well. i always liked it when he was on.

Phil Laak seems like such a cool guy to chill with

@@UnicycleIdiot what makes him even cooler is that he is a mechanical engineer.

@@front331 And married to Jennifer Tilly

@@Sneggelvespen He's not married to Jennifer Tilly. Jennifer Tilly is his girlfriend not his wife.

hes on adderoll

​@@matthewvitelli5087 lol you reckon?

He always looks like he just found out his grandma died

@@Skiier2008 💀

Dunno, they were pretty pricey for Phil

Underrated comment

haha nice!

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Brilliant. Extremely underrated

What do you mean by eyedrops?

You’re rightb

U,xh66f for Noo.

Thanks for spoiling it 👏👏👏

@@theplanetjumper what are expecting when you go into the comments before watching the video?

@@SN27671 it’s literally the first comment u see without opening comments on mobile

New school Dwan is still amazing. But I live watching him in his early years, especially vs Doyle and the others

The price of wanting to know if you are right is ridiculously high.

@@red8884 I think playing on tv was a bigger factor. He didn’t wanna get bluff on televised tv.

@@red8884it isn’t even that. Dwan makes moves like this all of the time. Phil Helmuth probably made the correct call there given Dwan’s range and history.

I think Hellmuth was just happy he got the chance to call Tom Dwan a kid. “Nice bet kid!” It only cost him a quarter million.

The producers probably gave free money to these guys and let them take a winning percentage

Spot on.

@@ramzirobart1032 Daniel said they get pay hourly to play these game . Like 1-2k an hr also buz no rake

My favourite part of this clip actually. Nothing but love for those two.

Well said.

Eli was always a gentleman and helping Doyle. I saw this in HSP aswell

Eli always came across as a gentleman and in total awe of the big papa.

Phil shouldn't be taking that long old man boobs doesn't have much time left

@@anonymousraw766 What are you talking about its 120k? If you can't take some time for 4 times the average US annual salary when can you?

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the classic Gus was the one where they were talking about folding kings-full on the river, all the other players were saying they would have folded kings-full and Gus absolutely trolled everyone saying I love when pros discussing folding kings-full, yeah that was a terrible call wtf LOL PokerGo please put that hand up

@@lovelylemonfactory 4 times the average annual salary in one hand? Everyone should be playing poker

best part of the vid.

That wasn’t Laak. Think it was Ezra

@@danitradess it was 10000000% Laak

@@danitradess no it was Laak

Almost the best! “Beginning of Day 3, I would have left the building.”

But it was Dwan. You have to entertain the notion he had 52 off.

Well, he usually make himself look like an idiot even when he makes a genius move.

@@Undertaker67203 guys now got 17 bracelets and you have? nothing

@@paulmilner8452 Nothing in my comment said he IS an idiot, just that he makes himself look like one. Do you have a bracelet? I guess we are equals.

Can you believe it hun? I called a 4 bet with 97o and lost

Lol nit

@@tiggneuendorf8002 lol Fish

yea i woulda folded preflop on the 3bet wait for a better spot.

@@patrickclay3537 tigg is phil helmuth's alt account lol

This

High Stakes Poker was the bomb. So miss it

Why would they do that when they can make it worse? The new ones can’t compare to these classic ones.

It’s not about the set, it was about the players. It doesn’t hit the same because the poker scene of today doesn’t have the same iconic names & personalities as yesteryear.

@@Renisance2K Nice comment. I agree. The set would've helped though lol

How are those statements in contradiction? "Nothing" meaning a hand that isn't a pair, or a hand that isn't premium, applies to both hands. Do you think Hellmuth literally doesn't know that 9-7 is not a strong hand? Jesus Christ these RU-vid clips fucking derange people.

@@dogperson432 Yeah I know. It's crazy how little nuance there is to people's logic. Like as if you had the worst hand that there's nothing left to analyze. There was multiple ways Phil could have won the hand without having the best cards, obviously that's what he's talking about.

@@Dancindazed how does he win that hand? If he bets the turn Dwan isn’t folding with second pair. What do you think he was going all in pre flop with 9-7 😂 You’re one of the people that you are talking about

@@Dancindazed he made a terrible preflight call, and a terrible call on the turn. Poorly played

@@Verygery12 - Can you please tell us what you meant with this " If he bets the turn Dwan isn’t folding with second pair."? To my knowledge on the turn Dwan already had trips - so why are you talking about "second pair"?

im assuming he had some kind of read lol but it was wrong

@MICHAEL PHAN he had J/10

@MICHAEL PHAN even from a theoretical pov its not in a normal preflop range but it is for dwan... especially knowing hellmuth may be 3 betting light in position.

@MICHAEL PHAN dude lol Apoc clearly doesn't understand what u were trying to say.

@MICHAEL PHAN yes pre flop was the worst call i ever seen, but his river call, i will say every single draw there was missed and it was durr, that had to be running in hellmuths mind, every str8 draw missed such as j-9, j-8, k-9, k-j, and a-k, also diamonds missed, maybe hellmuth put him on any of those hands ranging from j-8 all the way to a-k of diamonds because it could be any one of them since it was durr lol, durr did such a great job at making that river play look like a bluff because of all them different missed draws there was, and there is no doubt durr knew that all draws missed and could pull it off.

the second heads up they played was a massacre

@@datboicuz It must have ate Hellmuth alive hahaha

Isn't that what you're doing here? But yes I agree, there used to be a lot more poker videos on RU-vid before PokerGO became a thing.

You literally don't know how to use ''literally'' properly.

@@briles24 i only have 1 fuck left but imma keep it bro.. sorry

Okay place P

@@olderetiredtreemahn3234 p

@@briles24 gotta love the grammar teachers in the comment section of a RU-vid video😂😂😂💀

There was nothing wrong with that reaction from Phil. This is one of the few hands you can say that for. The guy lost 200k, do you want him to sit there and smile?

Well, you've missed the point. If you dish it out, you better well take it too. But Phil doesn't, which makes him a piece of ....

True...very true. And thats the real Phil Hellmuth, he is an egotistical jerk even when the camera is not on him. Everything revolves around his thinking. Whether he receives a bad beat or he gets out played, Hellmuth will tell you what you were supposed to do....many times using a sarcastic, demeaning tone about your poker game. Even if its a female player, Hellmuth will throw his tantrums. Fun to watch tho....lol

@@rick709carv9 You've missed the point of Phil's comment. When he says "started with nothing" he means Dwan 4-bet without a premium hand which is considered an unconventional play. It's not meant as a jab at Dwan. Generally people only 4-bet with Jacks or better. Phil was spot on with his thought process he just came up with the wrong hand combination. He probably put him on 9-8 of diamonds or something like that. Obviously Phil has the crybaby reputation so I could see why people would take it that way though.

@@poopydoodie11 dwan's 4 bet without a premium hand was unconventional??? Well, welcome to Durrrr - land

Why arent you one of the best in the world then?

@@stoppernz229 Phil says you have a cat tongue...

​@@stoppernz229BEST IS ONLY DNEGS AND IVEY ...HELLMUTH SHOWS NO SIGN OF GENIUS

Finally, someone who understands poker.

Tbh it was the correct call. Dwan has a worse hand there over 50% of the time.

Looks like he took a big swig of some chocolate milk and didn’t wipe his mouth after.

He's just been playing poker for several days straight.

He doesn't want people asking him about the durrrr challenge anymore so he's trying to disguise himself

He covers two suits and the high and low straight XD

They both checked the flop...do you mean the turn?

@@davidleonard7439 my bad yes the turn

@@heyitsanthony6366 who's dawn ,are you talking about my sister?

@@smrriles5668 woops im guilty of misgendering 😅

Can you explain further ?

No he can’t explain further. Because GTO/exploitation play is just fancy millennial speak for playing regular poker and paying attention to your opponents

@@mscdman kinda. I think Garrett Adelstein is the best example modern day- exploitation is still king

@@mscdman haha this is funny

@@mscdman Except it's not. Exploitation play is paying attention to your opponents play. GTO is paying attention to your own play. They are opposing concepts.

That’s why his handle is Durrrr

Great analysis

like?

You should look the same in both situations. The GTO facing. 😄

He always looks at a fixed spot on the table. He said it himself a few times. Nothing about that was to "look like he is bluffing"

@@fatimaWr2 There was no GTO back in the day. Dwan was the only wildest player in high stakes poker player pool with Sammy Farha , they just opened wide range & had no fear about money 💰, always made sure they will see the river. Unlike other NITs like Barry Greenstien who only played AA & KK & made no where & lost millions

@@shadowsmessage It’s a joke. I said when you’re always the same face both when you’re bluffing and value betting, you give no information to your opponents giving them no chance to exploit you by how you behave in those situations. Thus it’s GTO pokerfacing 😄.

Sounds about right, it should take about 4 paragraphs of mental gymnastics to explain a "legitimate" reason to go insane and kamikaze 97o. Jesus man, if you can rationalize this play you can rationalize anything.

Completely agree with you. However, I do believe that Phil should never have called with 9 7 off. I am no where near an experienced player but I feel that the initial call was bad play.

Just call it “Punting”

@@88mphDrBrown I never said I agreed with the call. Phil lost this hand because he betrayed his own style. Obviously folding 97 off in this spot is going to be the more profitable move a majority of the time.

@@jpa5038 the really heinous play is the 3bet, calling the 4bet pre, and calling the turn. Theres definitely a case to be made for the call at the end, I think that was the only somewhat understandable decision. It's just a giant punt/ kamikaze/ self immolation

Im that kind of genius too . In fact there are lots of us .

@@michaelblankenau6598 why do u think I love Durrrr...takes one to know one 😉

Tom just recently won the biggest pot in poker tv history.

that face @4:35 tho lol

nah phil is just an idiot.

This comment is underrated

@@carlo8044 100%.. shit read like some critique's description plastered on the front cover of a best-seller.

@@l0rd_mvl104 No Phil made a fantastic call. All HSP regs knew about Dwan 4-b or 5-Betting with 86o of 3-barbell bluffing 98suited all 3-streets. Dwan was perceived to never hold top-10 hands in his range. Helmuth thought Dwan at best could have AKo or AJs or his favorite 86o or 89s or some garbage he loves to bluff. Helmuth beats all Dwan’s bluffs. It was just ridiculous that Dwan had J10s , best hand on board that Helmuth never ever thought could be in Dwan’s range. It’s a standard call against a wild opponent. U should play ranges not think your opponent always has the best hand. Dwan moving all in looked like AK or missed flush draw. Announcer even said that “ Dwan went from being stuck big to becoming a small winner “. Helmuth knew Dwan was losing hence tilted & could punt everything off a bluff. Helmuth is a fantastic player. Never come to a conclusion on a player based on 1 single hand . It’s the sample size , if Helmuth plays 25K hands he could easily beat Dwan heads-up, just like he beat Daniel Negreanu. 1 hand means shit. Hence when u play poker & lose with AA & KK on same day in 1 session don’t think your poker career is finished. That’s why Helmuth won so many bracelets

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@@NoNo-ro9gx this right here 💯

Yeah the 3bet steal from the button is fine considering the loose dynamics, but its def a fold to a 4-bet. But what if Dwan instead just called with his hand (as he should), should Phil fold the turn or the river?

Because that's Phil Hellmuth, simply. When he decides to make a play it's based on emotions and his reads. We all know he usually play very snug, but from time to time he decides to be sticky and call down very light when he think he will catch a player bluffing. Yeah 97o is a dreadful hand to even consider this idea since he is even behind most of Tom's bluffs. But the plan was probably made in the particular hand when he felt very strongly Dwan was about to punt his stack, so he decided to call with intentions to hold on to his hand if he got a piece of the flop.

@@NoNo-ro9gx Its a button, a steal with almost any two is possible if you feel like your opponents are weak. And we are talking Hellmuth here, 97o has decent equity compare to some of the other hands he chooses to bluff.

He hit a king on me! A nine! Nine ball corner pocket

I liked that one too.

When did Dwan go bust? Recently or a while back? I'm presuming Macau?

@@robcookex probably both, he has gone bust several times........

@@samiam7342 how u do know this???? How he getter back moneying? Pls do tell Sir.

Hellmuth is far from ever being the best poker player.....maybe top 15, top 12. Has Hellmuth done well in online games, like Ivey, Dwan, Antonius, B. Kenny or Jason Koon, A. Robl?? Is Hellmuth a great mixed game poker player, like D. Brunson, Galfond, Ivey, Antonius, John Hennigan, Benyamine??? Does Hellmuth go into the biggest cash games in Macau, like Ivey, Antonius, Dwan J. Koon, D. Cates, A. Torelli, B. Baldwin? Or grinds away at reg. High Stakes cash games like D. Oppenhiem, D. Brunson, S. Deeb, D. Benyamine. Sure, Hellmuth is running good in 2 Heads-up matches and of course the best in the WSOP poker events winning mostly against amateurs and of course his self-promoting himself to the highest degree but IMO, I just can't say he is in a top 20 greatest poker players.

Except it's dwan who USED to go all in with air all the time.

it's really not. the tens pair up, making it harder to actually hold one and a queen is less advantageous for his range than a king or jack. Normally, with a hand that re-raises pre-flop, you have a lot of stuff which doesn't connect with this board. The bet is polar, so Dwan is representing a small range of nutted hands, not an overall advantage and balances it with a range with more bluffs than he would for a smaller bet size, to make the caller relatively indifferent. I think he should fold this, but its not ridiculously straight forward as you seem to think.

@@mick727xd exactly. Not to mention, these guys actually play against each other, 100× MORE, than a few clips we see on RU-vid. Phil knows dwan and his range, far better than youtubers who get to see BOTH players' hands

@@mick727xd im sorry but it really is simple a fold, if hellmuth has 97 he has t7,j7, a ton of queens, some tens, sure he has some missed diamonds and straight draws but hes pretty much at the very bottom of his range if hes callin 97 hes callin all the other hands and hes just callin WAAAY too much even against durrrrs super wide range too its simple distribution to realise this is a super snap fold x99999999

@@biggenderneutralpoohead You don't call in a linear fashion against a polar bet though. For example, 97 is a far better call than A7 without a heart, because you potentially block value and unblock bluffs. Dwan likely has 3 combo's of QQ, 1 combo of 10's, 2 combo's of J10s, 1 combo of Q10s, 2 combo's of K10s and 6 combos of A10o, which makes for 15 total combos. He'll check some of these rather than triple barrel as they block Hellmuth's calling range. Phil only has to win 1 in 3 times approx to break even, in other words, If Dwan has 8 bluff combos from a selection of low suited aces, KJ, AJ, 98s, it's a breakeven call.

It's definitely not Tom's value range here. Phil's hand is pretty much face up here. The strongest he can possibly have is AQ. Tom can do this with 77, QQ, KK, AA and AQ for value with little to no worries of being called by better.

Can you remember and interesting TV hands Phil has won? I can't

He also bluffs with totally nothing the other hands, Best example was on HSP he got trip 2s to fold and Pocket AAs with nothing. He bet 7/2 into people and won vs AK by massively overbetting pre flop. Ivey failed to call his bluffs

a lot of high stakes online NL200+ implement overbet on turn or river, it was not normal back in the days which is 10 years ago

He is...but you aren't giving credit to Durr

Not a bad analysis. However Phil doesn't beat 67 or 78. He splits againt them.

Clearly it wasn't an amazing call was it

@@jayb2175 Nah he's right, it was a great call. It was just an even better bet.

You try to make yourself seem smart, when clearly you're not! And Phil's call was great because it ended him, LOL.

Esfandiari and Negreanu agreed once upon a time.

Yeah, most braclets and cashes in wsop history... no chance of him being any good

Tournaments: one of the greatest ever Cash games: one of the worst ever

@@lukash9193 Based on what is he bad at cash games? I looked for data but it’s hard to come by. Absent actual data that’s just urban legend. People used to think he sucks at heads up too.

@@RMF49 based on his results on pretty much all televised cash games like high stakes poker, poker after dark, million dollar cash game, the big game. He got his ass kicked almost every time by the real cash game bosses like dwan , ivey etc.

That too on a paired board 🤷🏻‍♂️

He’s not calling because he thinks he beats valuebets lol, he calls because he beats all bluffs. It doesnt matter if you have a queen or a seven in this spot, they both beat bluffs and lose to all the strong hands

@@carlo8044 disagree for two reasons: (1) super aggressive players like Dwan can also value bet thinner to balance out all the bluffs in their range so I wouldn't be shocked to see Dwan play a queen like this; (2) distribution says this is one of the worst hands Phil can ever have in this spot (really, he shouldn't have it at all, the preflop play is really bad) so even against a super aggressive player like Dwan you gotta have some folds in your range against an overbet on the river and 97o is certainly it, especially since the 9 blocks some missed straight draws. Just an all-round bad call by Phil