Whenever I watch Dwan play, and he is sitting there thinking about whether to bet, check, or fold, I wonder if half the time he is just so high he forgets he’s playing poker...
He wanted to call so bad, and even balked a few times with those chips, but he knew something was fishy. It was a crying call, for sure, where he knew he was just paying to see it
@Popoulos3121 u can't. Its nearly impossible for a professional poker player to bankroll his way into those high stakes circuits. So they are always funded by shady businessmen who eventually directs them to enter different underground high stakes games. and then its just a matter of time until you keep sinking deeper and deeper once you have a few losing sessions in high stakes. Tom Dwan said in a recent interview how draining it is when some businessman forces a professional to play for 40 hours straight..That basically means he has experienced it first hand.
Wow are you ever a nit! I think you had to at least analyze your different options. I think there are merits to all 3 decisions. Folding saves you from the reverse implied odds of someone having a hand that's dominating yours; a hand such as 84 or 85, which can cost you a lot of money if the flop comes 882. Limping gives you the opportunity to rep some big hands by limp re-raising, since you have key blockers to some monsters like 33, 88, or 53s. Raising gives you the opportunity to steal the blinds and make money in a spot where most people would just fold, and therefore make no money, thus giving you an edge over your opponents. I think all 3 options have merits, and the best approach would be a mixed strategy, i.e. to sometimes call, sometimes fold, and sometimes raise.
Start playing in the high stakes rooms or go to Macau. Be ready to lose $200,000 though in a couple hours. The guys who play these hands are usually pretty rich. Like playing a pot worth $4000 for us mere mortals. It would hurt to lose. But it won’t kill you.
Durr's only major thought is does this guy have an Ace? I mean any kind of Ace? Guy calls him BIG on the button pre-flop and yet Durr still pays him off. Seems more like an ego call (POW) than looking at how sticky the guy was. BTW, this guy isn't Jungleman.....sure presented like he had an Ace - FOLD!!
well the thing is ........... he CHECKED the turn and Aces "probably" would have bet there , so I think he took him off an ACE. I think if the guy bets the turn , then , Dwan folds the river
@@credittrickscredithacks Excellent observation......I think both players considered the turn a blank; but the board was paired which typically signals caution - especially to a weak Ace. Excellent Point However.
5:16 "The thing is this. You've already put 16M KRW in the middle. What's 50M more, you know? When you think about it like that... Let's take a flop!" I rarely comment, but this is comedy fucking gold. Love your content.
Doug Polk Do you ever want to consider an 80-100 million dollar blocker bet on the river if you’re Dwan or does a blocker bet just eliminate your chances of ever being able to pick off a river bluff and/or fold out the worse hands? I mean what hands call the pre flop raise that can call the flop bet? I would think 44-JJ, AQ, AJ, A4-A5 suited, KQ w back door flush possibilities (not even going to include 34 off as part of calling range even though that’s what he has) Do you call the river bet if you’re Dwan? Or am I just totally off base across the board? PS - To the chat pros, I’m asking Doug. Not interested in explanations/responses/criticism from the chat. Thanks
I think there’s a minor issue pre-flop, Romain wasn’t gonna call, he wanted re-restraddle and found out that the straddle can’t be made by button, that’s why he called, u could see it as a “straddle”
Doug, you are an absolute champ. Thanks so much for all the content, I like every video and subbed. I doubt you read these, but I used to be a fan of yours in WC3. I was a fan of your poker content for like 2 years before I realized you were the same person.
Any consideration that Dwan has QQ? 66M open then slows with the A on the board. I think I turn cards over if I'm Romain without betting on the river when the Q comes to avoid the check/raise. Thoughts, Doug?
@@DeeepValue True. I guess where I'm confused is what do you get by betting? What in his range calls? I assume he's folding or pushing and I don't love either if I'm on this set of 4s.
I don't agree that the flop is an auto c bet. I prefer a 25 % checking ratio. You get to make equity by seeing cheaper rivers (backdoor spades) and you can represent aces fairly reasonably. It also allows for an easier fold. He would have lost less money had he checked imo. Thanks for your videos.
ya but when you have close to zero equity on a flop, those are good spots to bet, seeing as you can win a high percentage of times when you're essentially dead
I love how he looks like he almost knows he's best before he throws the money in. Doug, I have a request - I know how you like to end your videos quite suddenly, BUT it would be really good if we could get some more analysis on the final decision. So for exampl in this situation was Tom 'Right' to call, ie was it the GTO play to call? It's just a bit unclear and it's usually the most important decision of the hand. ty though love the vids.
In HSP and these Macau games, they let the VIP comment on hands they’re not even in. Goading Tom to raise his own straddle, discussing contents of hands etc. I get why they’d do it in these games, just frustrating when people do this IRL and think it’s all gravy baby. Nice content, G
They shouldn’t be commenting on the details of the hand. If you got the goods, then shove all in for $200 on me and want me to call. How would you like it if Joe Schmoe on the side said ‘Oh Henry’s got it, he’s a huge nit’.
Is the call with 54o really that bad? You're greating a great price, closing the action, and you're gonna be in position for the rest of the hand. I remember Doug calling with similar trash in the straddle when he wasn't even in position vs the rest of the players in the hand.
Cowtymsmiesznego As your stack size gets smaller relative to the size of the pot you want to play more high card hands because you have to get it in with pairs more often. So connectors and suited connectors start losing more money and hands like KJo start winning more money.
There isn't much celebrity about poker anymore, that's been over since 2010-ish. So a hand doesn't get more interesting to me when Dwan is in it nowadays. I miss that time though. The 2000's, with all that action, and nothing but exploitative play, and celebrity players you dreamed about playing, that was the poker golden era. Dwan was the fuckin man then.
You said dwan got an easy check but can we talk about donkshoving the river in dwans shoes? (Obv. Would run out terrible here, but generally) We got all AKs and most AQs here + we're blocking both while he shouldn't really have a 4 here and his range contains alot of Ace regs. So instead of putting uns in a crying call spot let's put him to the test. What do you think?
Thanks so much DP for sharing your philosophies with all of us grinders. We appreciate it. Can you do a vid about your dogs? You have 2? I thought your black dog brought you luck when you won in Vegas at the One Drop. Thanks!
after watching this video, next time I'm watching I have to scroll right away to the end, if the reaction isn't there, I have to skip the video altogether
Paul Phua will make Tom sing another Backstreet Boys song and bankroll him so its no big deal..i also lost that much but not on a call rather a similar situation with Frenchmen making a bullshit call preflop
What bluffs would Romain possible have? Floating the flop with 56 suited? He’s clearly a fish and Tom would know this. Typically fish do not float A44 flops, check the turn then small bluff bet the river with nothing.
I know these situations. The bet is small enough compared to the pot such that it seems your getting good enough odds to call, given bluff possibilities. However it seems like the bet size was to entice the call and your really leaning towards thinking your beat. However you have to see what he has and can’t bring yourself to lay down. You almost justify it in that your getting information. Interestingly if the size had been £120k that seems a bit more likely to include a bluff but then would it be just that bit too big to call.
575forza Hahaha, man, I love that hand! Barry tries to let him take $200k back and Dwan says “no”...hits a set on the turn and Barry doesn’t catch the case Ace. Such a ballsy move from Dwan at such a young age.
Not only that, Math (the thing that barry said was stupid) is the reason Dwan called. He knew he was 50/50. Then told Barry to fuck off. I love it. Its even better too because all the old timers at that time were trying to throw the young guns off, and then the young gun stuck it to one of them.
Romain called 60k on the flop with something, he is a top pro.. that something could only be a 4, an A or a pocket pair..On the river he would never have bet only 80k with any hand that could not have beaten a pair of QQ..he would have bet 150-200k with such a hand exactly so he cannot be called with..Durrr mistake was on the river
I don't know why Dwan deliberates so long. You need to play a more mechanical game I think, without being predictable. Like sometimes you have to pay them off, it shouldn't matter if you're right or wrong, that shouldn't affect your decision. All that matters is what's more profitable long-term. I think people try to work out individual hands too much.
yeah I don't really like doug. He basically says, pretty much you could do anything here "depending on these factors" and like sure knowing the factors and what to do is nice. But its alot easier to learn when you aren't trying to balance ranges, and rather just play more standard.
Can you please do a review where there are actually some interesting choices and the game tree is not so far away from equilibrium that there is almost no point in doing any kind of analysis. Eg Linus's hands or Trueteller or Chidwick?
