Tomb Raider Remastered - Assault Course, Modern vs. Tank controls demonstration 

That's a phenomenal idea 💡

I use tank controls on the running movement on the analog and walk steps on d-pad for fine walk control and strafe but a hybrid would be interesting.

That's exactly what I've been thinking all along, it would be awesome

Just like Resident Evil 1 and 0 does ❤

Yes, that would be ideal. There are spots where the tank controls are easily superior. Those times are not when you're just trying to walk around a corner without feeling like you're controlling a robot.

Bro, yo me acostumbre el primer día, tampoco es pa tanto... 😅

I play since i was a kid the only option (tank controls) now with the remaster i learn moderns and yes they are so much better and guns draw a little bit faster

@@EdwardAsens that’s awesome to hear! 😁

Let's hope in the next update 🙏

This

On steam you can map to keyboard and then map that to joy2key button presses to relay buttons to the keyboard commands.

Spin 2 win 😎

Same here. I'm currently playing through TR1, and I've noticed that modern controls allows me to be more careless in my platforming skills, while tank controls forces me to consider each jump. Both playstyles are quite unique. I personally enjoy modern a little bit more even though I tend to die more due to my carelessness.

As noted in the description, it took a few hours to get used to modern controls, but I neglected to mention that I had an entire childhood to spend on playing TR1 on my PSX. The recording on the left took about 5 tries to get right, but the recording on the right took 1 try. I'm not really up for arguing about which control scheme is better, I just hate to see both written off as either "badly implemented" or "outdated" when they're clearly fine for playing Tomb Raider.

@@SuperTopmasterThanks for the context, but I'm a little confused by that, why did it take so many attempts with modern controls? Does it not feel like a typical platformer or was it more about it being in conflict with your muscle memory... maybe a bit of both?

1 step back to long jump is more complicated than spinning her around to get enough steps?

@@runarvollanTo the uninitiated, yes. Most platformers don't have a backward bunny-hop command.

@@tyclips4155 A big part of it was the controls feeling more restrictive than a typical 3D platformer. The restrictiveness includes having a delay in Lara's jump, losing a lot of control in the air, as well as a big delay when starting a running jump. Jumping also behaves differently if you input (Jump -> Direction) or (Direction -> Jump), meaning order of inputs matters. Now I don't play a lot of 3D platformers, but taking into account running distance, air turning speed, and input order for a singular jump is pretty hardcore for one. The "big delay" I've mentioned earlier is the reason why so many people are so accustomed to being able to backstep on tank controls. Lara needs the run up in order to make a 4-tile jump, so I started just spinning her in place when I used modern controls instead of trying to setup a backstep.

I'm not so sure about that. Maybe I'll get around to playing TR1's New Game+ to see how true this statement is.

While I'm glad the ability to backstep is still in modern controls, I think this is unintended behavior and may or may not get patched out in some future update.

@@SuperTopmaster You can also step back by just holding the weapons - LT / L2 button and tapping back. You can also backflip by holding LT/L2 and pressing jump immediately followed by back and side flip by pressing left or right. I find modern controls far better for traversal but is a bit hit and miss (literally) during combat. I played the OG games back on PS1 and find the modern controls better for the most part. Just wish they would sort out the camera in the tighter corridors/tunnels.

@@mikkdc Oh yeah, I completely forgot about being able to backstep all that if Lara has her weapon out! Considering that you can only reliably backstep when Lara is facing toward or away from the camera (not looking to the side) and couple that with camera issues at tight corridors/against walls or ceiling, I just end up not recognizing "backstepping" a reliable option during a platforming section and I end up relying on Lara being able to turn on a dime with modern controls.

Very nice! I'll have to play TR2 and TR3 once I find some time. Have you had any issues with the camera freaking out in small spaces like corridors in the new update?

@@SuperTopmaster I had an issue sometimes with swimming in small/tight places. But apart from that I had no issues. Today I did speedrun on Tomb Raider 1 getting all collectibles, secrets, floor tiles, I managed it in just over 3 hours playing entire game with modern controls. Sometimes I do think tank controls are better for certain parts, but I felt like overall modern controls were better and far easier to speedrun with.

Probably tank controls with a keyboard, in your case. Modern controls took a bit of experimenting and researching to understand its benefits and quirks, because the developers don't explain or even tell you that they exist!

Me too. I'm playing the remasters full modern controls and I'm really enjoying it

Then you are either a Old Newb that couldn't hack these games in their day or you are a New Newb that wasn't alive to remember when games didn't literally hold your hand and guide you to every key and door.

Yeah, the game's timing and physics seem to give tank controls a pretty good advantage when it comes to methodical platforming. Once you learn the timing of Lara's running jump, I suggest to switch back to modern controls and try it feel out the timing, especially when you jump from different angles.

Modern control long jumps are legitimately so annoying. I wish we had tank controls on dpad in modern mode.

I'd just chalk it up to modern controls not being modern enough, but a good middle ground for the old Tomb Raider games :D

Sounds like a timing issue. Lara requires a shorter run-up for the running jump compared to tank controls.

Was unrealistic how fast she turned underwater now modern controls are here so u can turn even faster even do a full 360 in half a second 😂

This is why we should have a hybrid where modern-style movement is on analog, and tank-style movement is on d-pad.

Care to explain the advantage to using back/side flips outside of combat?

@@SuperTopmaster The game is a 3d platformer, just like 2d you can jump forward or backwards, in 3d you can jump on 4 directions. There are alot of places that require you to make a combination of jumps on all directions on all games of the franchise.

@@guilhermecaiado5384 I haven't really encountered anything in TR1 that "require" me to use those jumps. I'd like an example of that. Perhaps there are good examples in TR2 and TR3, but I have yet to play those games.

@@SuperTopmaster Never finished TR1. I was too young when it came out and though anniversary was the superior version, so i finished it several times on ps2, psp and ps3. Recently played lots of 2, and lots of secrets requires a combination of direcional jumps. Even tho the main game requires it on timed stuff and platforming. Some people just cant finish temple of xian because of a backwards flip and grab they cant perform.

@@SuperTopmaster well back and sideflips and get you to platforms quicker and easier in certain scenarios compared to turning and a forward jump. The side ones are great for quickly pulling a lever jumping sideways then running forwards through a door. Or sometimes you can jump to a ledge, backflip back to safety and unload into an enemy without turning or moving the camera. But the most important use of these jumps is to make lara look fancy, kind of like the handstand ledge climb, you can live without it but it looks cool lol

I thought the camera got fixed in some recent update? (in context to small corridors)

The original control layout.

@@TheJta20 the original game was on the Nintendo 64 right?

yes@@JerryCan101

​@@JerryCan101PS1. With no joystick

@@JerryCan101 tank control means you first need to turn your character on spot in the direction you wanna go. Like a tank does when its turning on a spot (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jEC9cCRwfkE.html).

I'd agree more if the camera didn't freak out in small corridors 😅, TR1 on modern controls was fun, though!

@@SuperTopmaster they fixed it on the patch, didn't they?

@@slowedvsbattle I've been busy with other games so I didn't notice, but I did a brief test in Natla's Mines. They did a good job fixing the camera!