In the book, joe kills beck by strangling her and shoving the pages of a book into her mouth so she couldn’t make any noise. He strangles her so hard that blood comes out of her throat and soaks the pages of the book
Duvan Orjuela I feel like you could definitely keep the same vibe with repeating the first season. Because season 2 is almost like a different show than the first one. Breaking bad kept the same vibe season after season and it didn’t repeat itself. I feel like a “vibe” is different from the story.
RachetHoe3000 the 2nd i feel like the complete change in setting of the season inspired the difference in vibe of it & it’s interesting how implemented that was
@@Shinigami344 exactly what I'm saying. ESPECIALLY after how season 2 ended. I literally want him dead. He's just a sick, self-righteous, misogynist tbh. For one, he becomes infatuated with them off of appearance alone. Then once he's infatuated and persues them, he literally forces them to fit into HIS fantasized version of them. He is never in love with them. Just the idea of them. And then if they have some trait he doesn't like, it's BOOM, I don't like them anymore. He is so entitled! And this just shows he doesn't really care about the actual human he's "in love with." So it annoys me that people think he's loving, caring, and all of that. He literally is a monster who is trying to justify being one
@Hey You How's It Going I actually feel sorry for him (in the ‘i wish he end up in jail or asylum’ way), like its not his fault he is just a psychopat(but he is still assh*le tho) And basically only thing why people like him s because the actor looks pretty (so you can’t say ‘ou they love him cos his ‘carying’’, people just like him because he looks how he looks) thats why people sometimes like the psychopat in story, not because his actions, but because how he looks
@@terynb4407 she tries to return a pair of jeans (that she has worn!!) to Macy's and gets really angry when they refuse to give her cash instead of store credit.
Sounds like the show made Joe seem less monster and more misunderstood, which was probably a good choice on the producers part because there are so many Tv series and movies about just plain evil killers. Their choices make You stand out more
I don't think they were going for misunderstood. I think it was done more-so to raise awareness. Most serial killers are meticulous and cunning. Most abusers have a nice side. This show really hones on Joe's dynamic personality type, but doesn't justify or condone Joe's actions.
Grace Kompany Yeah, the show definitely doesn’t portray Joe as misunderstood. It portrays him as what he is - delusional, narcissistic and nearly completely divorced from reality. It’s depressing how many fans of the show believe, that it’s the show’s writing, that makes him likeable or sympathetic, when the entire series is essentially a thesis statement on how people fail to realise, that people like Joe should never be romanticised.
the author should write beck’s book that she wrote when she was captured and publish it. that would draw so much attention from both show watchers and readers and genuinely be a good move to make.
Two reasons why people crush on Joe in the tv show: 1) Penn Badgley is hot. That excuses all kinds of things in today's society. 2) Joe on the tv show is a MUCH better person than Joe in the book. While he kills people in the show, he seems to show conflicted feelings about it, and he does it all in "protection" of Beck or other people. In the book, Joe is a condescending narcissist who kills anyone who gets in his way. He's basically Ted Bundy in a book store.
erin832001 He’s incredibly condescending and narcissistic in the show too, and from the very first episode. And he doesn’t kill people out of protectiveness, he kills them because they stand in his way to becoming the center of Beck’s world. That’s made clear in the show as well. People romanticise Joe’s actions, because they’ve conditioned themselves into excusing abusive behaviour perpetuated by attractive, smart guys. And that’s what’s truly tragic.
@@haggisa TV Joe definitely had selfish reasons to kill people for Beck, which he did try to justify, but he had no motive to care about Paco, and he still helped him out (in his own twisted way). I think they took a lot of pains to make Joe more likable/sympathetic on the show, by giving him a kid to care about, and by making the people he killed worse than they were in the book, because people wouldn't have been as drawn to the series otherwise. Both versions of Joe are selfish and narcissistic, but book Joe never cared about anyone but himself, and TV Joe cares about the people around him (to an extent).
erin832001 Yes, from what I gathered, he comes off as much more off putting and monstrous in the novel. He’s definitely a compelling and fascinating character in the series, but I worry about how many people find him likeable. Especially considering that his mental disorder and pathological results of it are layed out so clearly and blatantly by the show’s writing. I think he cared about Paco, because he was him as a young version of himself. I don’t think he would have been nearly as sympathetic to Paco’s struggle, if he hadn’t experienced physical and mental abuse himself. So killing Ron might have been a bit of a cathartic experience for him - annihilating the abuser, who represented the people, who had harmed him as a child.
@@haggisa I found his actions deplorable, and I never sympathized with him. I did find him attractive as a physical being but not enough to not be absolutely terrified by his actions. The story is compelling which is why I stayed, but the show had me paranoid and anxious the entire time I was watching.
In the show it humanizes Joe and makes his mental state justified by very intense trauma, this contrasts in the book where he's obviously a psychopath. I really like the shows depiction of him, especially in season 2.
The show makes more sense in how they depict Joe's character because like in the show mind hunters they always try to tell you that serial killers normally go through some form of abuse or trauma, and that's why they become who they are. Even dexter went through shit when he witnessed his mother being killed by a chainsaw.
@@delroy0 They aren't the way they are because of the trauma, exactly. A lot of people suffer from symptoms of personality disorders. Abuse or trauma can bring out the worst of it though. After seeing The Dirt, and finding out that Nikki Sixx's childhood really was like that, it isn't far off from the abuse some serial killers go through. Personality disorders don't excuse behaviour, because many people who have them can live relatively normal lives, or at the very least, not murdering people.
I read the book after watching the show (I know, I know) and I was so baffled by how different Karen is in the book. The way Joe acts towards her and feels about her. Basically the only thing that's the same is her name.
Darcie Thomas Yes. Season 2 was the season that allowed for me to reach closure in knowing that Joe will never get better and that I can stop rooting for Joe. Because You is narrated by Joe 70% of the time, we sympathize with him since half of the time he tries to justify his horrifying actions. That’s why in season 1, Joe *almost* seemed like this heroic man willing to do anything for love; however, in season 2, after everything that happened, Love still loved him. She showed her true self to him which I can assure you, that’s what he wanted from the very beginning. But when she did, Joe’s illusion that Love was this “perfectly imperfect girl” was shattered. He believed she was insane and his “love ” for her faded even though she was perfect for Joe. Season 2 assured us that Joe never really loved Candice, Beck, and Love, he was obsessed with them. He’s just extremely mentally broken, he can’t control his compulsion to stalk and obsess over someone. Obsession is not love WHICH means, he hasn’t loved anyone so far into the show SO it’s safe to conclude that Joe isn’t a hero that’s willing to do anything for love, he’s actually a sociopath who’s murdered people to satisfy his obsessive needs, his *own* needs. Thank you for listening to my ted talk. (@notkarla_duh = my tiktok)
A I M E N paco saw joe kill his mothers bf (can’t remember his name atm) and told no one. Then he saw beck basically begging for her life and closed the door in her face
Paola Rodriguez Calvimontes I’ve heard that from a few readers. I’ve also heard the second book was really bad, but I have complete faith that the show will be excellent!
I just finished the book...AFTER watching the series because I wanted to get lost in the world again after binge watching it three times. And let me JUST SAY.... I’m conflicted on how I feel about the book. He is WAY WAY MORE EVIL sounding. I enjoyed the read but I was not too happy about the way the author wrote. It was meh for me. I love the tv series way more
Also, they left out the whole "Reading a Dan Brown book while Beck was locked which she only pretended to read thus angering Joe enough to kill her" from the show.
Some people are commenting that the show has tried to humanize Joe and seem to show him as a misunderstood individual. Well, while you are not completely wrong, you must understand that the show has been written from the perspective of Joe. In his mind, all his actions are justified. The show is not suggesting that, Joe's mind is.
This is random, but am I only the one that thinks published authors/writers don’t get the recognition they deserve? I mean think about it. Many of the television shows and Netflix series we watch are based on a popular book series. For example: Pretty Little Liars, The Perfectionists (which was cancelled, but still) , The Vampire Diaries, Gossip Girl, To All the Boys I’ve loved before, Twilight and I could go on and on but you catch my drift. My point is actors and actresses are hailed for their acting chops, they make millions per episode and have a huge stream of followers on social media and many fans. Directors are praised for the work! Streaming services are also incredibly popular and gain much profit. And yet, published authors and writers don’t get enough credit. Sure J.K Rowling and Stephen King (to name a few) are easily some of the most recognized writers. However, many people don’t even realize that some tv shows are based on books until videos like this or someone else mentions it. I don’t know, I kind of wish published authors and writers could get fame and credit like those who star on the shows and movies, roles that would be nonexistent if not for the writers. Anyways I know it’s completely random. Just wanted to throw that out there. 🤪
Pau No I completely agree and thought I was the only one who was thinking it. 1. I wholeheartedly believe that great authors deserve more attention and praise. 2. As a reader I rely heavily on movie, tv and video game adaptations to find my next read, which is annoying (as a reader) and unfortunate (for the authors cuz they can’t gain as much attention, fans, traction without an A/V adaptation.
On an unrelated note; I always wonder how people even _know_ about a story _before_ the adaptation, since good reads are so hard to find and barely marketed. Unless there have already been one or multiple A/V adaptations. E.g. “Mortal Instruments” was based on a series of books. Then it got a movie adaption (that’s how I found the series cuz I saw the trailer and promotional material). A few years later the books got a tv adaptation named “Shadowhunters”, but by then I had already read the books and seen the movie. All because there’d been 1 movie based on the books, a few years before. But no, I genuinely wonder how people find these gems. Both because I want to find new books to read and because I don’t understand how people are able to find something that’s not marketed.
To be fair though Pretty little liars, vampire diaries and gossip girl book versus show are very different. They have some similarities with characters and settings but the way things go down and how they turn out are very different. But your right the Authors and books dont get alot of recognition. I just found out You was based on a book series. I'm soo going to read it now.
iamabeautylover Well, usually I look up New York Times best sellers or just go through random book lists on blogs that people recommend! Although some like PLL I didn’t know about until after the first season of the show!
Yessie That’s very true! I guess it has to do more with what viewers want to see? It’s based more on what will attract audience. Still, the storyline was based on best selling books so I kind of wish the original authors would get the credit they deserve! They hardly get interviews, there is no special literary event for them (other than New York Times Bestseller list or Pulitzer) whereas singers and actors have sooo many events and interviews and fanbases.
Joe was intolerable in the book. Just a horrid person to be inside the head of. Pretentious, arrogant, misogynistic. But frankly, way more honest a portrayal of this kind of man. I think the show had a tall task to balance the way Joe presents himself vs. the way he truly is. Sometimes it falters and makes Joe more sympathetic than he truly should ever be. It's fascinating to see people who think he's justified or even attractive based on the show, having read the book where he's so abhorrent.
I just finished the book, and honestly I actually prefer the way the show handled it, especially the ending. In the book, Beck was not particularly scared or defensive to be in the cage and it didn’t feel that joes character was challenged in any way
One thing in the book that I liked better than the show was Benji's death. In the book, Joe cremates him & puts his ashes in a container and leaves it in Benji's storage locker. Before he leaves, he opens up two bottles of Home Soda (one for Joe, one for Benji) and if I'm not mistaking he even lit a candle. He took a hat with him out of the storage locker, and the name imprinted in the hat is "Spencer Hewitt," which is the name he comes up with (in the show) right on the spot when a police officer stops him while on his way to spy on Peach & Beck. In the show it makes things an interesting easter egg, but I have a theory that in the show more to Benji's death happened off screen, possibly leading to him obtaining the hat & using the Spencer Hewitt alias when convenient.
Is he not the same in the show though? The difference being that we actually see what's happening and it's not just Joe telling us what happened which would probably be a lot more biased. I haven't read them though and I have seen a lot of people say he's not likeable at all in the books so I don't know shit
@@dsimi415 joe is way more a monster in the books he is pretty much proud that he murdered all the ones that he did and convinced himself he's saving them or the world from themselves
Forever Done But he says very similar things in the show as well. He views Benji as a human stain and feels completely justified, almost obligated to kill Peach.
@@haggisa yea at certain parts in season 1 but tv joe is still really watered down compared to book joe season 2 it was like they were doing a redemption story and he was alot more sympathetic but in the book version he is cold and manipulative
Beck is broke in the book. My buys stuff n returns them to keep up with her rich friends. She even begs joe for a job at the bookstore at one point. It’s her dads new wife that is rich n they(her dad) basically pay her to hang out with them...
@@foreverdone2433 I get it. But, I like that he is a sympathetic character as well as a murder. It makes him more complex and interesting. Real serial killers are complex.
Read the books yearrssss ago and became obsessed with the book! When I found out that they came out with a show I literally screamed! So nice to but a face to the names 😂😂 I can say that the first book is very similar to the first season. And hidden bodies was a lot different from the second season, from what I remember
season 1 was so cool because was "realistic" season2 was FULL DEXTER MIXED with Hannibal Hector. all the characters were straight up caricatures and everything got more stupid... i won't lie season 2 was good but they should keep with season 1 vibe
Nah, season one was so linear i already knew what will happen. Season 2 was more chaotic, like threats are everywhere so Joe's plan could fuck up. It made the last few episodes more gripping.
@@soulscyther666 season 2 was straight up Dexter he became fulll dexter capable of making make bodies disappear like magic, teleport a giant super expensive to build soundproof humity room from new york to LA. Got his finger cut and stiched back on the same day. Capable of infiltrate any house house like batman and the ex girlfriend had the worste plot ever. "she was trying to protect everyone" ...wtf with the amount of shit she had on him that was enough for a giant police investigation and easily they would get the true from him. I just liked the realism he had on season 1 and now they totally made him an anti hero for everybody to love him.
@@zorrothethief6065 ofc if u like dexter and hannibal the tv series yeah i get it why. but to mee it's like in the middle of game of thrones orcs and elves appeared. went from "realistic" fantasy to hard fantasy .
One of my biggest disappointments reading the book was that Beck’s last writings were not even mentioned.. I loved the writing of Blackbeard’s castle and I wanted to so badly read it on paper. Turns out it was the writers on the show who wrote it. It was what made beck redeemable. Since that wasn’t in the book, I found beck to be very naive and selfish. She didn’t deserve to die . But still, she and joe were both tasteless characters in my opinion. For the first time EVER. I liked the tv series more than the book.
in the book, its also completly through Joe’s pov. so Peach very well could have been just as suspicious of joe, we just did not see it because we saw the world through Joe’s eyes.
The whole relationship went very different in the book. They weren't very official for me and Karen came into his life at a different time as well as Dr. Nicky into Beck's life.
why people have crush on him ? he is the main character , the writters to everything to display how "good" he is, he's good looking, and his monologues can be good sometimes.
Louis So I should just start killing people? I have done a ton of stuff to get my crushes to like me but they all reject me or just diss me after agreeing to a date.
The only thing that weirded me out is if peach’s family know that she has attempted suicide many times before then why would they say she couldn’t have possibly committed suicide in the show...seems the books handled that better
I love the show because it shows that when you consider the flaws of typical human beings, you can easily root for a protagonist who stocks and murders to meet his/her ends.
2:14 in the series he still borrows the car, where he crashes it, leading to his future concussion in peaches house. He also gets called by a cop later referring to himself as "his son Spencer"
One of the best Netflix Originals Netflix has put out. They have a habit of hitting it out of the park with a new show, only to release a mediocre second season and completely BUTCHER it by season 3 (13 Reasons Why and Stranger Things come to mind), but all three seasons of YOU have been fantastic. Hats off to everyone involved: the acting, the script, the direction, the music, the cinematography, the narration -MY GOD, THE NARRATION-... everything about this show is *on-point*
Call me crazy but I would have preferred to see Beck escape from Joe, because there’s a common thread of dating abuse throughout the story. I want her to escape him, focus on her healing process and then she is able to work through the trauma she has inflicted on her by Joe. Dating abuse is a troubling problem that needs to be addressed! 💐
Anna Hanson I don’t think beck is dead! They never show her body and that other red head was still alive when it was alluded to her death, each death in the show, the body was shown except for Beck and the red head
That would have been way less interesting and I don't think you have to make every single film/show about a problem in society. The show even does adress this but in a more subtle and thus more discussable (=better) way.
books are different the show is better imo it improves alot of things in the books joe is a straight up psychopath he is much more interesting in the show
Roxanne Roxanne I don’t think beck is dead! They never show her body and that other red head was still alive when it was alluded to her death, each death in the show, the body was shown except for Beck and the red head
Kamila Jurczyńska same she was crazy. I understand they can like shay but how could you like peach she was a crazy stalker that wanted to harm beck’s career
I notice people are mentioning Netflix. I saw Season 1 on a regular satellite channel. Has it been changed to Netflix or did Netfix make their own movie?
Netflix made a deal with Lifetime to air the show internationally and since it did so well they got all the rights to it and aired a second season in Netflix
I watched the tv show first so I was quite surprised after reading the book that Joe came across more arrogant psychopath-ish in the book than he did in the show
Rebecca is my favorite narrator for Ms.MoJo in my opinion so y’all don’t get mad at me because I’m use to her voice on both ms.Mojo and WatchMojo so yea 😌😌😌😂
I finished both book and show. I like the tv show better. But in the book there are a lot of descriptions about Joe's ideas/thoughts/self-conversation, which are hard to be demonstrated all in the the tv show. Both are good.
Joe tells Benji that whatever he did isn’t going to change the damage that he already caused...it’s so hypocritical of joe because no matter what joe does..that’s not going to change the damage he’s already caused in so many people’s lives
The bombshell that Beck *knew* Joe had followed her to her poem reading changed my perspective. What else did Beck know? Did she see him on the ship? Did she intentionally leave her curtains open? Did she knowingly toy with Joe's emotions? Every interaction between Beck & Joe changed in retrospect. Beck knew from Day 1 he followed her. And she never confronted him. Never ghosted him. What else did Beck know? This played around in my mind for a while. Beck surely didn't know Joe was killing folk or breaking into places - but she knew he was obsessed with her. Did she essentially have a sixth sense moment? Were missing items adding up & she expected to find them with Joe, instead finding her phone? Was Beck always playing with Joe? Her messages to Nicky did reveal her true thoughts. She thought of Joe as a toy. To use & abuse. She was never interested in anything other than keeping him on as a fling that wants more. Joe was never going to be the person for her. Joe just wasn't the guy. To be clear - Joe's an evil man. But if Joe hadn't have been killing people, hadn't have been breaking the law - she still wouldn't have ever tried it on with him for real. They were fundamentally incompatible people.
The book was so much better. PEACH IS SUPPOSED TO BE UGLY!!! They added fluff to a book that was stuffed with amazing content. Beck wasn’t a smart girl whatsoever in the book.
By awarding some sort of justification for his killings it renders Joe somewhat more morally grey which I think adds to the conflict the audience experiences surrounding their relationship to the character
I love the show, both season 1 and 2. just sad that Beck was killed off in Season 1 like that, maybe I was too attached to her character. I havent read the books so I was one of those who were hoping she’s still alive and will see her in season 2 just like Candace, well I did get to see her again in Season 2 if you know what I mean haha. and because of this I got a new book in addition for my christmas/birthday wishlist 🤣
The book was better I stayed up till like 6am to finish it I couldn’t put it down! It was so much darker.. that’s not to say the show was bad I loved the show too!
So the book shows reality and the show romanticize everything he does but I argue the point of romanticizing. I mean has anyone ever watched good will hunting? It’s the same concept the producers try to string you a long and make u feel comfortable in the decisions u make as if every kill he made was necessary to his survival even though any other sane human been would handle the situation in a much different way, instead they make u side with joe and make sure joe doesn’t get caught while in the process of getting the girl he’s chasing it’s trying to put u in the mind of joe even though his mind is literally wired in a much more complex way than other humans
Some of this is wrong. I just finished the book, and never saw the show. In the book, she doesn't die in the basement. She tries to escape but the front door is locked. It's 4am, so no one can see or hear them. Joe takes her behind the counter, where he starts the strangling.
So I need to make a decision. Should I read the book or watch the series? I usually read the books only because I think they are better but I looved Penn Badley because of gossip girl and I want to watch the tv series. Which one is better?
Bianca EXO-L watch the series, they are better and the second book is awful. if you read the books before the series you will have a different perspective of ALL the characters
