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The 11th hidden thing, the biggest thing is that its total ASS compared to the Chinese version from 2 years ago that actually did not change the award winning story. Hollywood is producing low quality garbage and the masses just accept it.
My favorite part of the series so far is when Saul is telling everyone that he's not a wallfacer and doesn't want the job. They are all smirking at him like "Of course you're not a wallfacer". It was like a comedy routine "who's on first?".
Also, the whole situation he was in resembles Josef's situation in Kafka's The Trial. He was "kidnapped" and had no idea what was going on, and to his questions they only answered: "We don't know". He was free, but at the same time he wasn't.
Raj running to Auggie saying "Why isn't it working?!" thinking she sabotaged it and Auggie both placid and grim saying "It is" was so chilling. She hated that it was being used for that, but her invention was successful.
I just want to say, I think you guys did a great job of not spoiling the major plot of the three books but also giving enough to help people understand that these events are significant. 👏
they did such a good job with Ye. her actions were unforgivable, and yet you could understand her reasons, her rage, her grief. when you put yourself into her shoes she was almost justified, and i think she truly thought the trisolarans would treat mankind more fairly than it had treated itself (and she might be right). she was ultimately a very sympathetic character.
@@seraphik Haven't read the books, so I don't know how it'll end, but yes. I love how this character _really_ makes you think. Was she right to put humanity on the line? Does any one individual have the right to make that choice? Yes, maybe they will treat Earth better, but how could she possibly know? Would I make the same choice? Great stuff. A lot of characters I feel were mostly set up for things to come. Hers, as her arc (seems to) end here, really got fleshed out. And I think they did a good job.
@@bakkels Ye is a poor person in the book who has experienced a lot of abuse and persecution. She has endured many moments of despair and witnessed the dark side of humanity, yet she still wants to find ways to make the world and humans better instead of simply resorting to hatred or destruction. On the other hand, Santi, a civilization who has never grasped the concept of 'lie' and holds more advanced technology, is seen as more noble and capable of helping humanity improve. This is why Ye thinks humankind cannot solve their problems alone and has called on Santi for assistance. The character is more complex and admirable in the book.
At first watch I questioned the purpose of both Will and Saul, not realising how critical and important these characters are to moving the narrative forward. Slow pace at the beginning but beautifully paid off by the end of the season
The netflix did not faithfully follow books, better the tencent version . But, netflix have condensed episode… if you dont have many time, watch this .
No. Show was bad. They botched up the reveal that Ye ws the commander of ETO by showing her eniter flash back(her calling the trisolarans) first. They had unlikeable characters, too much melodrama and fillers for a show which was supposed to be high on concepts and science. Glad I was right about the Netflix and read the book first even though I have never read a novel in my life.
I noticed that Mike Evans repository of recordings with Sophon/Our Lord was captured in a small red book, similar to Mao’s Red Book of Quotations. Representing the cult like nature of both the Chinese cultural revolution and worshipping the Santi.
@@sidewinder2057 it plays out better in the book. The reason they had to do it this way was to retrieve the hard drive while not letting the ETO (Evans’ group) that they were being attacked. The show portrayed it a bit slowly to increase the tension,and at that speed he could’ve easily destroyed the hard drive. In the book it happens much faster without anyone of them realizing what was happening, which is the point
@@HolgerNestmann you are correct that they couldn't 100% guarantee they won't destroy it, but they spaced the nanofibers enough that it was highly unlikely. They addressed this in the books too that it wasn't a perfect plan but it was the best one given the circumstances
Wade and Jin are my favorite characters in the show. The ones making the hard choices so there is hope for humanity. It’s terrifying yet so close to what would happen and has happened when the world is at war
Between Denis Villeneuve killing it with Dune, and D&D tearing it up with the Three Body Problem, I'd say things are looking up for all the fans of the "unadaptable" stories. Just waiting to see who in Hollywood has the guts to do Blood Meridian......
In the scene where they were looking at the contents of the recovered hard drive.....the single 1PB file with the .cxl extension......a nod to the author? 🤔
Something has been bothering me since I first watched the show. I can’t seem to find the answer. Maybe I missed a scene or something. The question is, when Dr. Ye (the woman that made the first contact with Aliens), a “good” alien told her not to contact them because the aliens will kill mankind. Then the show made it seem like the aliens only made that decision to kill the mankind only after finding out mankind can lie. However, hints were placed throughout the story that even before the aliens found out humans can lie, they were already planning on killing humans. Examples: killing scientist and not letting scientist further their experiments. Also it was funny how they only found out humans can lie after the conversation with Evan’s because they were able to see everything from the beginning. So that means they know humans can lie before the crucial conversation. Can anyone answer my questions? Much appreciated.
Your answer lies with the next book titled Dark Forrest. It’s a theory about 3 possibilities for reactions if one was to hear a breaking of a tree branch in dead silence and pitch black. One would either stay silent, attack, or be attacked. The santi’s reaction is similar to someone that heard a sound and not knowing who or what made it, yells back don’t come any closer or I’ll fight back. However after making contact and communication, it’s realized that they can’t co exist with us and with the resources needed for their survival it is an easy decision to just annihilate us, civilizations must consider other side are either malevolent or benevolent in consideration of attack or not, and so on and so forth leading to decision tree.
@@mtc343 Before santis figured out that humans have instinct of lying! they were planning to coexist with humans! They were killing scientists because they were afraid if humans evolve more in terms of technology they might not let us live with them But when they found out about lying! They made a decision that its impossible to live with them They can only survive if they kill humans!
@@mtc343 i was thinking same, they keep adding confusion and think audience will buy everything, but i have feeling that msg in the beginning was sent by will from the future
Wade is fourth Wallfacer. The Sophon torments him at the end. Maybe this could be one of the reasons. He offers cryo sleep, to probably to obtain the Sword bearer from Cheng Xing in the future as in the books.
As a science geek and long time sci-fi fan. (And in real life a biologist.) I am often disappointed by fantasy stories being passed off as science fiction. This one is not the case. I understand the need for Netflix to gear down the science and alter the story from the book version to make it more digestible for the general public. But they did succeed in keeping the science plausible, and invoking technology in place of the mystical or telepathic (a sure sign of weak sci-fi with the possible exception of Babylon 5 (where it is a type of genetic tech.)). I hope for a follow up Series to close the story arc. Then I will read the book. IMHO this is better then Contact, 2001, or Expanse.
I like the theory that, the San-Ti are the size of insects. Maybe "You are Bugs" is meant as a compliment. The scene with the Judgement Day vs the nanothreads, really freaked me out! It is brilliant in the way that it leaves a lot to imagination. I had shivers, watching the childrens' backpacks getting sliced by the invisible threads...
It's a theory but one that is "accepted" enough by Cixin Liu that he allowed a book to be published about it. It's the most plausible thing since the Trisolaris planet must be very small after billions of years getting crushed and eroded by the gravitational pull of its 3 stars.
@@RejectHumanityReturn2Monke water bears are also very small and we know they're capable of surviving in the vacuum of space itself. We also get a nod with the 💧
I’ve read the trilogy twice and all I can say is forget the characters in the Netflix series so it doesn’t mess with what your understanding from the books. Read them, you must, for you’re in for a wonderful ride! Enjoy!
I think reducing the number of wallfacer comes with dangerous consequences. In the book, each wallfacer represents a human ideology for facing unfavorable conflict. You had the "kamekazi attacker"， the "AWOLer", the "guerilla", and then lastly, Saul's brand new ideology that is meant to be introduced to the readers ( I won't spoil it here). Judging from what has appeared, the chinese general were supposed to be the guerilla guy, the middle east women is probably the kamekazi one. It seems to me that the "AWOLer" has been taken out, and it's just so happend that the "AWOLer" was the more interesting one.
Agree but I’d swap the roles of the Chinese general and the Middle Eastern woman; she’s clearly the expert on guerrilla/asymmetric warfare; and they left out the neuroscientist probably to avoid adapting the complicated mental seal plot line.
@@commentator-tl9h But avoiding the mental seal line would be very difficult as it leads directly to Natural Selection plot line, and then to Blue Space, and then to the ending stuff. They might introduce it without it being a wallfacers plan though.
HOW CAN SOMEONE WHO READ THE BOOKS SAY THE SHOW IS BAD, WHEN THE VERY FIRST SAUL'S SCENE HE SAYS: "HERE TO THE LIGHTS GO OUT, BOSS"???????????????????????
Something has been bothering me since I first watched the show. I can’t seem to find the answer. Maybe I missed a scene or something. The question is, when Dr. Ye (the woman that made the first contact with Aliens), a “good” alien told her not to contact them because the aliens will kill mankind. Then the show made it seem like the aliens only made that decision to kill the mankind only after finding out mankind can lie. However, hints were placed throughout the story that even before the aliens found out humans can lie, they were already planning on killing humans. Examples: killing scientist and not letting scientist further their experiments. Also it was funny how they only found out humans can lie after the conversation with Evan’s because they were able to see everything from the beginning. So that means they know humans can lie before the crucial conversation. Can anyone answer my questions? Much appreciated.
@@mtc343 That's a tricky one. Their ability to interfere and observe us is limited. They are indeed able to see us but not necessarily interprete. The sophons are too busy jamming our science. They can't really follow random people talking and check if they are telling the truth. There are two sophons here. They can't be everywhere everytime. Basically, to check wheater someone is lying or not would require a lot of observation and they don't have time for that. Which is why they try to communicate with humans and understand us. Now, about the scientists. I will give you some spoilers now because I assume you don't care about them, otherwise you wouldn't be asking this question: They kill scientists because it was necessary. Later in the book 2 we see that it is impossible for two civilizations to peacefully engage. Because the time they need to phisically meet is enough for the one of them (or both of them) to improve their technology and fight because both societies would finally fear being extinct. It's the fear of the unknown. The fear of the dark. In the end of the day, it would always be a matter of who will pull the trigger first. How to trust your life to a species you don't really know? The San-ti don't want us to have a trigger to pull. And killing some scientist is the only way to do it.
@mtc343 Hi, I've read the trilogy and watched this first season. You're right when you assume the Santi have known about the deceitful nature of humans for a long time before the events of the show. Their conversation with Evans where they seem to learn for the first time that humans do lie came as confusing for many of the viewers bc it seemed obvious that they couldn't not be aware of that fundamental human trait given how many years they'd been communicating with us. But at the same time, D&D had to find a way to let the viewers know the very important fact that the Santi are unable to lie/deceive (one could argue they could've done that in a better way, and i'd agree). If we want to understand the Evans-Santi scene in a more reasonable way, we could just say thay the Santi had obviously always planned to kill most of humans during their conquest of Earth, but perhaps not all of them, as some could decide to pledge complete and willful allegiance to the Santi upon their arrival on Earth and be useful to them. But this quite artificial 'revelation' of the human ability to lie served as a way to show that the Santi are just as afraid of us (if not more) as we are of them, and that our inherent deceitfulness made even the most fanatic Santi supporter look extremely dangerous to them, leading the Santi to vow to exterminate ALL of us.
@@mtc343You know the a.i trying to adapt and learn right that's why it keeps questioning the things he cant fully understand and the way how humans think
@@mtc343 Also worth remembering it is an alien AI created and programmed by beings who may perceive the universe in radically different ways to us - it may have taken them decades to finally grasp the revelation of deceit in context - The Evans conversation may have just been the last straw
the biggest issue I have with the series is the aliens make an advanced game that is based on social stories and making them look human but then have an issue with a children's story - so on what hand they are happy to fabricate social stories for their games and not be truthable about their true appearance but then have issues with humans using stories -?? |I just don't buy these advanced beings would be thrown through a loop about the fabrication of a story but are able to fabricate stories to serve their game
Loved everything about Will, especially the scene where he uses his $5mil to buy a star for the (unrequited) love of his life. The visuals, the accompanying song (video Games), and his acting through it. (Second best scene was with his greedy next of kin, as you can see the pain in his face knowing how little the care about him, but gracefully assures them they will get all the $ that was left to him by his mother(?).
In the airport scene , the person that is following Ye Wenjie, is reading a copy of Samual Delany's Dahlgren, considered by many, one of the best science fictions books ever. I'd love to know why the director included that and what the message (if any) means.
The piece I liked most was Saul objecting to being a Wallfacer. He really, REALLY did not want the job, but ended up caught in the ultimate catch-22: he was selected because he is smart, and a smart first move would be to deny being a Wallfacer to try and get the San-Ti to focus on the others.
Loving the show. On a completely different note. I have HATED how much smoking has creeped back into shows as the producers cannot turn down the $$$ from Big Tobacco. HOWEVER, I can appreciate that here it is at least used in furthering the story
I actually really like the changes Netflix make... They were really tasteful and in some cases made more sense than the book. San-ti sounds do much better!
After reading the book, I think they adapted really well given the length. I enjoyed the fast pace because I don’t want to dedicate hours and hours to a long slow series
The show was great, but too compressed. 8 episodes would be ok until the reveal of the alien invasion. My preferred character is Jin, my most disliked Auggi.
@@thegroomingbabe1325BBC's 1982-84 MASTERPIECE Classic series "The Young Ones"! With Blackadder, it's the UK''s finest. ("OH, GOD! I REALLY MUST STOP SNORTING THIS AJAX!! ANYWAY... Where was I? Oh, yes... VIRGIN!!!"
In the scene where Will walks into the place to purchase a star, he walks past a video wall of flowing grain and other comforting scenes. This struck me as similar to the videos played in the assisted suicide room in Soylent Green. May have just been coincidence, but knowing Will's fate, It could have been an intentional nod.
How you know the Trisolarans are small bugs: they’re projecting when they call humans bugs and in the flag human computer part because there’s MILLIONS of troops like millions of ants and when you learn that they can dehydrate themselves.
It varies. For Jin, it was delivered by Wenjie, for Jack it was Tatiana. For all the toehr scientists in the summit , someone else could have delivered the headsets since the ETO had a wide network for doing things and they were scientists from other parts of the world. And since they're dead , for Tatiana we do not know who dropped the headset yet.
what is the meaning of the joke that Ye Wenjie told Saul? If she new the San-Ti were listening was the joke a cryptic way of telling Saul how to beat them?
A planet has finite non-renewable energy resources and wouldn't sustain multiple civilization-level attempts to evolve technologies. There's science fiction and then there're some pretty specific "that...can't happen" things.
I haven't read the books yet, so all I know is what I learned in the series. After watching it on my own, I wound up watching a lot of it again at a friends house. It was only during the second viewing during the scene at the graveyard and knowing her character's motives better that I became sure Tatiana shot and killed her own father.
I took the scene with Ye Wenjie as her going back where it started to think of the choices she made, maybe regretting them, and Tatiana turns up, allowing Ye Wenjie to see the sunset one last time before she kills her. I thought it was the last we'd see of her, other than in maybe flashbacks, allowing next season to transition forward some years.
And another show with a Durand reverence is War of the Worlds where advanced humans return to earth to colonize it. Catherine Durand is an astrophysicist and uses the particle accelerator to create a black hole by accelerating protons.
To say this story was "impossible" to be brought to screen is a lie. It wasn't a bad adaptation but there was already a chinese version wich sticks more to the original novel and is way better than this one in every aspect, except the elitist 'Netflix' aesthetics. You can actually watch it here with subs, it's worth it if you can ignore the random chill music that starts playing over the original sound mix for a few seconds each now and then.
@@greenermusings161 I thought the netflix series was the first adaptation of the books, but its just a copy of this chinese series, which was indeed the first.
@@deepak_nigwal so far the Chinese version is pretty good and much more faithful. I knew it existed, but deliberately watched the Netflix version first, so that I could judge it on its own merit.
The biggest change was that in the show the girl did not make it back before the character killed himself to donate his brain. In the book she did. Had me wondering why they made this change. Seems for more of an emotional hit in the show.
What a great time to be a Scifi fan. We have great series and movies available: For Mankind, Invasion, The Foundation, The Expanse, Dune and Dune 2 and now 3 Body Problem. Great. 💞✌😊👍
What abour the first contact she made with the "aliens" when the good one warned her not to contact them and then she did and asked them to come help them, meaning the "aliens" are all different amd not necessarily supportive of taking over planet earth
Something has been bothering me since I first watched the show. I can’t seem to find the answer. Maybe I missed a scene or something. The question is, when Dr. Ye (the woman that made the first contact with Aliens), a “good” alien told her not to contact them because the aliens will kill mankind. Then the show made it seem like the aliens only made that decision to kill the mankind only after finding out mankind can lie. However, hints were placed throughout the story that even before the aliens found out humans can lie, they were already planning on killing humans. Examples: killing scientist and not letting scientist further their experiments. Also it was funny how they only found out humans can lie after the conversation with Evan’s because they were able to see everything from the beginning. So that means they know humans can lie before the crucial conversation. Can anyone answer my questions? Much appreciated.
@@mtc343 they trusted the ETO and honestly thought that the ETO would help them conquer (they say conquer, not destroy, not kill) earth human. After finding out about human ability to lie, they don't trust ETO anymore. In fact, ETO could have been lying all the time to lure them. Thus, they have to abandon ETO and develop new strategy from scratch (recruiting Wade, etc.) with the help of the established Sophon.
I loved smart foreshadowing of themes from the next books. For instance, the clues Ye Wenjie gives the future Wallfacer on how to deter the invading fleet (note the two books she takes from her daughter's room or the 'joke' she tells) - I'd even say it is giving the viewers' better and smarter tips than the book did (where the "Dark Forest" hypothesis was revealed without any prior hints).
@@contagiousintelligence5007 as in 'what's so funny'? well, nothing, because it wasn't a ha-ha joke, obviously I guess you are referring to the meaning of the joke. of course, it is a parable, one that the trisolarians might not get ("some people *do not undestand* jokes (...) but they are important, we wouldn'et *survive* without them") due to they direct ways to communicate (the same way they didnt understand the wolf fable) [MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD] as I understand it, the 'joke' hints at the Dark Forest hypothesis - the central premise of the second book that effectively boils down to: given the scale of the universe it is almost ceraint that there are advanced, malevolant powers out there that wouldnt hesitate to purge entire systems if they knew there are new intelligent species emmerging in them - thay would do it just out of precaution, to prevent us from developing and posing a threat to them (especially since on the galactic scale, it is way easier to destroy an entire system with one shot than to send an invasion fleet , trisolarians are an exception, because they need a new world, but in general the space war is a one shot - one kill kind of game won by the one that shoots first). therefore, revealing a world's position is practically a death sentence to any world stupid enough to do so (fun fact: the IRL humanity has actually done that, by sending a probe with our location, lol). this is what the trisolarians'-angels have warned us about - do not reveal your existence to god, because he would find you, kick you in the balls and destroy what you love the most (our homeworld). Ye is also hinting at a possible detettence measure: music is not something you can direct to one certain receiver only - as you play it, everyone in a certain range can hear it. therefore, upon testing if the Dark Forest hypothesis is true all the humanity would need to do would be to 'broadcast' the location of Earth and TriSolarias via a system 'loud' enough so as to ensure the information reaches as many worlds as possible, potentially drawing 'God's' attentiong, prompting him of kicking us nad TriSolarians in the balls. a cosmic-scale MAD doctrine. and this is essentially what happened in the book now, why Einstein? here, I am fantasising much more, but maybe Ye Wenjie is conveying a message that in the books is told by the brain-in-the-probe dude in the third book. 'maybe Einstein was wrong' Saul is provoked in the first episode, and it essentially hints at how the FTL travel is possible in the series: by locally breaking the fundamental rule of Einsteinein's universe: that a speed of light is constant. however, this playin with God is also a way to reveal your existence, as travelling this way leaves traces in space-time. this would also explain the choice of the song 'Take the A-train' by Duke Ellington was about the new metro line, which, at the time, was the fastest way to travel around the NYC. I the second part Im speculating a lot, but I am almost certain that the 'do not play with God' refers to the serious consequences of revealing a worlds' existence and position in the Dark Forest
i liked this show, it really does shook my brain for a while. though if you want to watch it, I'd recommend watching some spoilers of the movie first, as so you know what to expect, those you won't be too scared.
Ye Wenjie - Humor and meaning behind the joke. (Way of comm. to confuse the sentient A.I) Just my theory Saul Durand- After talking to Ye Wenjie the A.I wants him dead maybe because the A.I thinks that there's something behind there conversation that even A.I can't fully understand. Even Saul Durand had no idea its up to him to realize it that A.I can't read minds it can do only analysis of voice, facial expression, and etc. Plus that A.I is already been there (eps1) before it realize that human can lie (unpredictable, people can change depends on any situation, kill each other) so it decided to eliminate all the bugs instead of saving a few of them. And finally i think its nearly successful that A.i prevent or delay the progress and innovation of technology and science by showing they gonna die if to continue there invention, breakthru, techno whatnot... And i think nanofibers have a big impact to there success
Release the Snyder cut with the shooter and turkey hypothesis animations! One of the episodes is named after The Stars My Destination. A guy following Ye Wenjie (Keiko O'Brien from Deep Space Nine) is reading Dhalgren, like he would understand it except for the sex.
Something has been bothering me since I first watched the show. I can’t seem to find the answer. Maybe I missed a scene or something. The question is, when Dr. Ye (the woman that made the first contact with Aliens), a “good” alien told her not to contact them because the aliens will kill mankind. Then the show made it seem like the aliens only made that decision to kill the mankind only after finding out mankind can lie. However, hints were placed throughout the story that even before the aliens found out humans can lie, they were already planning on killing humans. Examples: killing scientist and not letting scientist further their experiments. Also it was funny how they only found out humans can lie after the conversation with Evan’s because they were able to see everything from the beginning. So that means they know humans can lie before the crucial conversation. Can anyone answer my questions? Much appreciated.
This is the defect caused by the expression of the film, the first "good" alien is actually a different kind of Santi, in the book it soon stopped work of obtaining signals intelligence, as for the part of lies, the book has a more detailed explanation, Santi from the beginning is intended to seize the Earth, just some human on the Earth wishful thinking that the Santi brings peace, Therefore, the lie part is not introduced through the story, it never is, but after the appearance of the wallfacer man project, the aliens start to understand that Earth people have lies, the adaptation of the TV series omits many details
It was confusing for me too but my guess is that their hostility was not present before finding out that humans can lie. They sent Sophon to stiffly humanity’s technological progress just to prevent their own destruction by future humans. Co-existence was probably still an option until THAT conversation happened. For the second question I have no answer. How did they not find out that humans could lie with a near omnipresent super duper computer monitoring practically everything on Earth for MONTHS.
I think the "finding out mankind can lie" is more a problem for the ETO (Earth Tri-Solaran Organisation). The San-Ti was almost certainly always gonna invade and kill us all, but they learnt that they probably shouldn't put too much trust in the human traitors...
I've read your statements three times yet can't find your question. But to clarify your confusion, it is not the trisolarians that created the idea that they would spare us but the ETO themselves. The trisolarians, in the first place, plan to eradicate humans to a point that we'll never be a threat to them. In the books, they let humans "live".
Calling Raj unlikeable… classic. Strong stoic male character who countless men could relate to is called unlikeable. Thank God he’s Behei’s Show Adaptation counterpart. Couldn’t ask for anything more. Love him as a character.
Another detail you guys missed: Ye Wenjie says during Vera's funeral that is the first time Mike Evans sees her but this is a lie because the follower which his team designed are based on young Vera
A hidden detail is that they don't actually properly and accurately explain the 3 body problem. As well, the problem can be solved by analogue computers but most of us think in the digital... so it is not insoluble...
