He keeps getting left out at the frog party when he shouldn't be. I don't care if his actual name is toad slime, let him be part of the frog archetype!
@@CodeVenomSnakes select a "reborn" card in your graveyard: add it to your hand. If this card is in your graveyard: you can banish this card, shuffle any amount of "reborn" cards into the deck.
I find it pretty amusing that the English version of "Monster Reborn Reborn" has the ankh from the censored version of the original card. It's like the localization team realized they couldn't take out the ankh without completely ruining the entire joke of the artwork and just decided to not censor that one.
It's more that they didn't need to since the TCG released the lost art promotion for Monster Reborn earlier that year. I honestly prefer the "censored" art of Monster Reborn since it's more unique.
I love that someone made a reverse of the artwork that shows the superior TCG artwork hovering over the run of the mill ankh OCG artwork of Monster Reborn.
I feel that Lightning Vortex shouldn't be on the list. The card was decent during the early days of YGO when floating and destruction immunity wasn't common. It's one of those cards that got powercrept to obsoletence.
i agree lightning vortex shouldnt be on the list and i find it more useful than lighting storm because not all monsters can be destroyed by battle and if you already have monsters on the field and you need to clear out your opponents field to make plays than lightning storm is kinda useless especially when your both playing a slow deck and not a crazy combo deck
Lightning Vortex was great in Ojama Decks because of Ojamagic. Discard it for the cost and you get to add 3 cards to your hand in addition to destroying all your opponent's face up monsters.
I think the reason it's on the list isn't because it's a bad card inherently, but by definition of a retrain it's bad. The cards on this list aren't by any means "bad cards" and he isn't saying that. Like he said in the video, retrains are typically made to be better than the original card and lightning vortex is obviously inferior to Raigeki. If it were "worst cards ever" then lightning vortex wouldn't belong there, but by definition of a retrain, a card that is made to be better, it deserves its spot on this list.
simple errata to barrier dragon to fix the card: "once per turn, when this card is in attack position, negate the next attack and change this card's battle position". (may need some minor adjustments for problem solving text reasons, but the point still stands.)
if it changed it self to defence that would indeed basically negate any position changing effects, but then again, you would love to see a card that could attack out of defence position instead of negating 1 attack in attack (we have 39 for that)
𝘊𝘺𝘣𝘦𝘳 𝘣𝘢𝘳𝘳𝘪𝘦𝘳 𝘥𝘳𝘢𝘨𝘰𝘯 𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 𝘯𝘦𝘦𝘥 𝘢 𝘳𝘦𝘵𝘳𝘢𝘪𝘯 𝘚𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘭𝘪𝘬𝘦 they also need to make the trap card,get a retrain to make it a quick spell *Cyber dragon barrier* 800atk/2800def *This card can be summon with its quick play spell....... and summon it from the deck or reveal a cyber dragon from your hand and summon it* (Just like Blue-Eyes alternative white dragon) *This card's name is treated as cyber dragon on the field and in the graveyard once per turn it can negate 2 attacks per battle phrase* I also think it should get an additional effect Draw a card when its destroy or search for a cyber card or something like this
How to fix it:Can be specialsummoned from the deck or the hand counts as cyber dragon while on the field, can negate one attack per turn and sets its battleposition to defense after(does nothing if already in defenseposition). If it is used in a fusion, it gives the fusionmonster some permanent protection.(cyber end dragon angry)
Growing up, when Raigeki was still banned, we used Lightning Vortex a lot as discarding a card from the hand wasn't seen as a bad thing. If you played smartly, you could usually afford to lose a card.
Heck, in the right deck it was less a cost and more of a combo setter since you could nuke your opponent's board and send something like Quillbolt Hedgehog or Doppelwarrior to the grave for Junk plays.
@@Dragonite43 Why? What is disrupted by getting rid of most of your opponent's/opponents' monsters while also getting another monster on the field? There are also other spell cards that seem to be supposed to synergise with the Dark World monsters in the same way.
cyber barrier dragon was made to use with cyber laser dragon as a "combo" so you can have a high atack beatstick that can destroy cards and be safe from 1 atack
Cyber barrier dragon feels like the effect was meant to protect another weak monster you control, while the high defense is something you can fall back on if you're going to lose it on your next turn. That being said, a mediocre and hard to summon stall monster has no business being a cyber dragon card. Shit be weird, yo.
Yeah, the obvious use case is that you have a cyber dragon on the field, you opponent has 1 monster, and they attack it. Then you activate the trap to summon Barrier Dragon instead, which negates the attack and then can wall up next turn, thus converting a lost monster into a piece you can play with. Problem is, you're screwed if they have 2 attackers. And in that case, Negate Attack does the same job but better. Or Mirror Force. Or virtually any other battle trap. As you said, wtf is this doing in Cyber Dragons!?
@@LazurBeemz GX was like the Ice Age of yugioh monsters, weird experimental shit when archetypes and power levels of cards were just being figured in full.. of course Judgment Dragon would trot in a few sets later and just wreck anything the anime decks ever tried to pull in his era.
Fuzzy Barbarian fairy type is actually angel type, it just got mistranslated/censored. Although for all I know injection fairy lily might also be an example of the same mistranslation... EDIT: checked the wiki and ocg name is injection angel lily, so there’s no reason for her not to be of the fairy/angel type. Guess the designers messed up
hey DuelLogs been watching your videos for months now and i love them, it one of the best way i gather info on cards in the game, me and my freind watch your videos whenever i stay at his and we just sit for hours building decks, dueling and watching your videos, so thanks for making these videos and i cant wait for future videos. Thanks, you making these videos means a lot
The difference being that the Ankh is symbolic of what's known as an archaic religion. Not dissimilar to how Latin is referred to as a dead language. Symbolism from these exists in many different manifestations in most modern cultures.
@@TheDuelLogs It seems a bit silly since one of the millenium items is an ankh and it wasn't censored. Though maybe they got away with it because Shadi called it the millenium key and it had one bit jutting out to the side like an actual key..
@@rileylewand2219 It sounds like you're trying to say it's not an ankh and actually a cross by a different name. It's an ankh, just call it what it is. I don't feel the need to give a history lesson when someone says a parry dagger is a parry dagger.
Lightning Vortex is such a versatile card in a deck that utilizes its characteristic. Darklord and Darkworld decks were highly effective with a Lightning Vortex card which brought a number of combos into the deck from discarding what you needed into the graveyard and then combo with a special summon. I grant that only a few decks could splash this spell card into the deck effectively, but overall I dont think its a worse retrain of Raikeki
While a Trap Card, you could say Raigeki Bottle is also a Raigeki retrain and a MUCH worse than Lightning Vortex. Also, as someone running almost only gimmick decks, I VERY often use Lightning Vortex over Raigeki because I'll be using it with card effects that activate when discarded (eg: The Fabled monsters) or that get stronger the fewer cards you have in hand, meaning I actually gain advantage (plus I play in older formats from 2012-2015 where Raigeki is banned because I fucking HATE how broken newer cards after that were, at most I'll play up to Spellbooks/Dragon Rulers).
Lightning Vortex is so damn underrated even before when Dark Hole was unbanned for the first time the card was ignored by many, but not me, always used it.
I totally did not think about that interaction! Thanks for that! I don't know if you play Neo-Spacians super frequently, but I was kind of bummed that TDL didn't even mention Marine Neos as a positive when Marine Dolphin popped up. It's kind of easy to forget about (especially since Twinkle Moss didn't get it's own Contact Fusion), but it destroys a random card in the opponent's hand once per turn (without the discard cost that Aqua Neos has) and is also the only Neos Contact Fusion that doesn't return to the Extra Deck during End Phase. Does that make Marine Dolphin a good card? Heavens no! But I think it also makes it more useful than Barrier Dragon. Especially since it can be cheated straight to the GY (without needing to run NEX) to go into Miracle Contact for a Marine Neos. Sadly, neither of the last 2 are actually retrains, though. They both actually appeared in GX.
One more: Cards that only became good years later. Like, cards that were useless when they came out, but became good due to changes in meta or game format 5 years (or even a decade) later.
@@raleo7466 The video in question is visible in my recommended videos at time of posting, directly across from this comment in fact. Top ten cards that are treated as another name.
The problem with NEX and its targets could've been avoided so easily, too. Just change the first line of the Fusion Monsters to "This card's name becomes "(Main Deck equivalent)" while it is on the field or in the GY." and change the second line of "NEX's" text to "Special Summon 1 Level 4 monster whose name can become the tributed monster's name from your Extra Deck." or however that'd be worded with PSCT.
Blue-Eyes Spirit Dragon. Was designed to counter the format of its time which made Blue-Eyes decks competitive. Once the format changed Blue-Eyes decks rapidly fell off the map.
In fairness to Cyber Barrier Dragon, if you summon it via "Born from Draconis", that ignores its summoning conditions AND its wonky statline but keeps its somewhat useful stalling effect, it can be kinda good
Lightning vortex shouldnt be anywhere near this list. It was heavily used when it was released as raigeki was banned. it was still one of the best available field wipe cards
Dueling Network made me hate Lightning Vortex. Every single time it was used against me I'd have to explain that no, it doesn't activate Dark World cards.
@DuelLogs Komoney seems to have finally given up on the censorship of cards, which I think is why they were okay with including both artworks in Monster Reborn Reborn. They are even in the process of slowly releasing the original artworks of cards via the Lost Art Promos.
Eh, the last two barely qualify as retrains; they're additional cards that require the originals to function, appeared in the same anime series as the originals, and were very close in packs released too. Otherwise, great list haha
IMPORTANT NOTE: Fishborg archer does not require a discard in order to revive itself, just that all other monsters in your graveyard are water, it’s actually super useful as a piece in water combo decks because it’s easy to find(needlefiber) and is a really great extender
Wouldn’t raigeki’s retrain be that “flash of the forbidden spell” one from Cyberdark Impact? That is a destroy all effect and not just a destroy all face-up, like Lightning Vortex. And, an opponent controlling 5 monsters is a much harder condition to meet than just a discard.
Yeah...3 ancient gears including a specific one that cannot be cheated out+fusion spell all to get a beatstick that floats into another beatstick, and on top of this all has no protection and even in the past was usually taken out as soon as it got out by chimeratech(using it as fusion material even, thus missing the timing?)
@@rescuerex7031 The original card ain't bad it has numerous support cards to get it out, It's a damn good beater and it's required for some of ancient gears best fusions like ultimate ancient gear golem
@@giorgiostegher5504 I used to play a deck focused on bringing out the original Ancient Gear Golem. It was not that bad to bring out, as you could substitute Ancient Gear Golem with King of the Swamp. Terraforming was at 3, and with the old field rules it was not that hard to cheat out Ancient Gears from the deck with Geartown and then bring out Ultimate Ancient Gear Golem with Power Bond and/or Limiter Removal, for an OTK in your first or second turn.This combo was only weak to Bottomless Trap Hole and Torrential Tribute, both of which were restricted at that time period.
Let's all remember that Soul-Absorbing bonetower is using the souls of goblins from what I've discovered. Obviously one of its victims is Robbin Goblin. ...Man, next to Skull Servant, goblins are just abused in artwork.
There is one potential strategy that you can use for Monster Reborn Reborn: Necroface: Get 3 in the GY, make your opponent revive one and it’ll banish 20 cards from both decks. This will power up monsters that use the banishment zone
I personally like the TCG version of Monster Reborn. The ankh is more symbolic for the pharaoh, but I like the emblazoned cross-like pattern that it has. It really does look like a catalyst you’d use to resurrect a monster with.
Fusion Trish is the only card in this list that sees competitive play right now. And in a tier 1 (maybe) deck nonetheless. The 2 dragon link lists running fusion Trish topped the latest LCS. Meaning, it shouldn't be on this list!
Read the title again. It says the WORST retrains. Not the worst in terms of competitive viability. Fusion Trish is objectively a worse card than the original and EVEN if you wanted to talk about their competitive viability which OG Trish had OG Trish objectively the better competitive card
I LOVE Injection Fairy Lily, my favorite card EVER! So I do love her retrain Counselor Lily, but do wish they had made a level 6 Synchro monster for these two to use together. Iike she would hage 2400 atk and pay 1000 life for her to gain 2000 for 4400 or something like that? 🤔
Yeah, the ruling of only being allowed a combined total of 3 marine and aqua dolphins is not true. It was a previously official ruling under upper deck, but Konami has since ruled it unofficial
I think Cyber barrier dragon was made to trap your opponent into wasting a battle phase after they summon a boss monster using all their resources. It works in theory if you consider how many resources it used to take to summon big monsters back in the GX fusion days.
rad video as usual! i know your vids are normally about strategic uses of cards, but i'd like to see a top 10 list of cards that were once rare but aren't anymore (such as the five pieces of exodia, which were ultra rare when first released, but common when reprinted for later sets). or another way to go about it is top 10 cards that have been reprinted the most (like how there is a blue eyes in the kaiba starter deck, LOB set, included in an issue of shonen jump, etc. different card art but you get what i mean)
About The trishula retrain: you gotta think long term with that card. Of course it has a hard once per turn. What if sometime in the future the games gets to a power crept point where you could fusion summon that monster 15 times. That’s a full extra deck wipe right there. Konami is just being extra careful.
I see what you’re saying, but the main problem with that is not only do you have to jump through hoops for Marine Dolphin, you *then* have to figure out how the hell you’re gonna get a Neos on the field. You’ve most likely already used your normal summon that turn, so Neos Alius is a no-go.
No it just a bad card in general,it just better version of it already good effect but need a bad spell card "NEX" to fusion summon it. It way to slow and you have to minus 2 to summon which not worth all the effort and it stat just hot garbage,you can't even cheat it from extra deck or a way combo with it. Aqua dolphin just a way better card because of the hand trap meta formats to this day still a good card to play compare to it's way worst retrain that even Neos archtype even don't play it
@@GabrielLopez-zr7gz it’s a 3 card combo. You have nex, neo space connector, and neos in hand. Normal summon neo space connector, special summon aqua dolphin from deck, use nex to turn it into marine dolphin, use marine dolphin’s effect by discarding neos, use neo space connector’s second effect to summon neos from grave, contact fuse into marine neos.
I can see where Konami was going with Yugioh. Looking at all of the old cards, which were all overpowered, many decks had similar flavor, cookie-cutter, and every duel was a dice roll. At least now players have incentive to create themed decks. I'm just not willing to invest the money into the game anymore. I got burned out over a decade ago.
Top 10 Worst Levels/Ranks I realized that aside from Level 4 having a toolbox, Level 3 having Earth and Rock support, low levels being great for tuners, Rank 10 being about Trains, etc - for a casual viewer, what were the least supported, least represented monster levels? I say worst, because Level 4 would probably be a runaway success and everyone more experienced would probably be sick to death of all the toolbox options. Or maybe a Top 10 Level 6 monsters video, I don't seem to see many of those.
Idea for a video: top 5 good & bad decks that came out in the same set. Two examples would be Zoodiac/Shinob (Both came out in Raging Tempest0 Burning Abyss/U.A (Both came out in the TCG in Duelist Alliance) Love your videos and came up the great work :)
I wonder what a "Top 10 Anti-Meta cards that became Meta" list would look like. Mostly because I don't know how often a card that was once specifically anti meta in its use becoming meta in its own right happens.
I really liked this list. It gave me some ideas of tech options as a budget player. I think another video you could do would be Top 10 Insect monsters and support cards.
The whole NEX experiment makes me wonder what the other 4 NEX-Spacians and the accompanying Neos fusion would have done. Given the theme set by the NEX-Spacians we got and Marine Neos, it may have been something like this. Mole probably wouldn't have bounced itself and the Neos fusion would have targeted more than just monsters. Scarab may have counted all the opponent's cards and all on the field for the Neos. Panther could also have targeted your monsters and the fusion could target any card. Hummingbird might have counted both hands with the Neos' boost going off your surplus of life. I have no idea how Twinkle Neos would have ended up given the random nature of the Glow Moss line.
I was today years old when I learned Tribe-Infecting Virus wasn’t some guy standing with his back towards you with his arms crossed but was instead some dragon violently choking to death.
OG TCG player here; Raigeki was one of the first wave of few banned cards, and was banned for a VERY long time. I definitely stopped playing the game before the Pendulum and later stuff, but yes, Lightning Vortex WAS our “Raigeki” for the rest of my time playing YGO. We didn’t care too much about discards for costs. We weren’t as heavily focused on “card advantage numbers” like you guys are today. It was all about getting openings and doing direct damage (if you weren’t a Burn player). The original game was exhilarating and games could last a while. Today, it’s as short as playing Black Jack, except Black Jack is more fair & fun. Why am I even watching this or the channel? Because it’s sometimes fun to watch for nostalgia, or to see what you guys today say about your roots.
Barrier Dragon would be so much better if they had just added one extra part of the effect, where after it blocks an attack, it immediately switches to defense mode. They could even "restrict" that effect in the same way as Giant Orc and cards of that sort, where once they attack, they switch to defense, and cannot switch stance again until the end of your NEXT turn.
Regarding Counselor Lily, it seems like it would always miss timing. It’s an optional “when” effect, so it can miss timing, and, as I recall, one way a card can miss timing is by being sent to the GY for a Synchro Summon, since the card gets sent to the GY, then a Summon is performed, then other effects can be activated in response.
Yas, 2nd retrained list!!! So, top 10 monsters you can summon via banishing monsters that doesn't belong into the chaos archetype to celebrate the newly released Toon Chaos set?
i rememer playing the cyber dragon upgrades on the ps2 game and at the time i remember knowing they were bad, but i think the ideia and artworks so cool
I wanna say Lightning Vortex was used pretty often in the GX anime, since that show *tried* to match the real-world ban list... with the exception of Pot of Greed(I think?)
I remember when Trishula was first printed and those Dueling days divine perfomances started to appear where you would summon trishula 5 times in the first turn to banish your opponent's entire hand....good old times........
I think the intent with Cyber Barrier Dragon was that it would stay in defense, then the effect would keep it safe from an attack when someone tried to exploit the obvious weak stat by changing it's battle position. So if you didn't have direct removal, you'd need to invest one effect and two attacks to get rid of it. If it had some form of effect protection to make that route likely, it would have made a lot of sense.
Cyber Barrier Dragon is like one sentence from being an okay card. If after the negate attack part the effect read "Then, switch this card to defense position" it would be at least playable, and doesn't make the stats so horridly lopsided.
I...like Lightning Vortex? I’m not on meta with my D/D/D Deck as of 11/2020, but Lightning Vortex works really well due to all the discard and graveyard effects the archetype has.
I’ve found a lot of success using Monster Reborn Reborn in Duel Links, Psychic monsters combo with it well, as long as you’re building for Synchro monsters
The worst part about Cyber Barrier Dragon is its effect is not optional, so you can attack into it with a weak (even 0) Atk monster, that attack would be negated, then you can attack with your >800atk beatstick to destroy it
