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Top 12 Mistakes in Aquaponics Systems & How to Avoid them 

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John from www.growingyourgreens.com/ visits one of the largest aquaponics farms in the USA in Half Moon Bay, California to share with you the 12 biggest mistakes you can make in an aquaponics system and how to avoid these mistakes.
In this episode, you will learn the most important aquaponics tips from Ken Armstrong, owner, and farmer at Ouroboros Farms, an aquaponics farm in the Bay Area that has been growing vegetables and fish for the past 7 years.
You will learn some of the biggest pitfalls when growing fish and vegetables with an aquaponics system. You will learn the common areas that people can make mistakes when growing in an aquaponics system. Whether you have a backyard aquaponics set up or run a commercial aquaponics farm this is the episode you will surely want to watch.
You will discover many different aspects of aquaponics that you may have never considered to be of great importance for your success.
Jump to the following parts of this episode:
02:30 Ken Armstrong Introduction
03:26 How did you learn about aquaponics
05:11 Mistake #1: Choosing the Wrong Fish
08:16 Mistake #2: Not Following Government Regulations in Your Area
10:13 Mistake #3: Not Having Proper Filtration
16:03 Mistake #4: Not Having Proper Flow Rate
20:19 Mistake #5: Choosing the Wrong Plants
23:56 Mistake #6: Improper Aeration in Plant Troughs
26:52 Mistake #7: Improper Cycling/Harvesting of Plants
30:35 Mistake #8: Improper Management of Pests and Diseases
34:42 Mistake #9: Not having the Proper Nutrient Profile for growing crops
38:42 Mistake #10: Improper Management of Ph
42:23 Mistake #11: Not focused on the Business of Aquaponics
51:51 Mistake #12: Not Balancing Your Systems Properly
55:37 How to Avoid having Aquaponics Problems from Happening
56:37 Classes at ouroboros farms
1:00:56 How to get ContactOurosboros Farms
After watching this episode, you will learn the biggest mistakes you can make with and aquaponics system and how to avoid them.
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@growingyourgreens
@growingyourgreens 5 лет назад
Jump to the following parts of this episode: 02:30 Ken Armstrong Introduction 03:26 How did you learn about aquaponics 05:11 Mistake #1: Choosing the Wrong Fish 08:16 Mistake #2: Not Following Government Regulations in Your Area 10:13 Mistake #3: Not Having Proper Filtration 16:03 Mistake #4: Not Having Proper Flow Rate 20:19 Mistake #5: Choosing the Wrong Plants 23:56 Mistake #6: Improper Aeration in Plant Troughs 26:52 Mistake #7: Improper Cycling/Harvesting of Plants 30:35 Mistake #8: Improper Management of Pests and Diseases 34:42 Mistake #9: Not having the Proper Nutrient Profile for growing crops 38:42 Mistake #10: Improper Management of Ph 42:23 Mistake #11: Not focused on the Business of Aquaponics 51:51 Mistake #12: Not Balancing Your Systems Properly 55:37 How to Avoid having Aquaponics Problems from Happening 56:37 Classes at ouroboros farms 1:00:56 How to get ContactOurosboros Farms
@camel0147
@camel0147 5 лет назад
Learn Organic Gardening at GrowingYourGreens where is the link of the ither video?
@ayanggar
@ayanggar 4 года назад
Thanks you've just saved me
@dvdrwsor
@dvdrwsor 4 года назад
He never said what he feeds the fish. I bet is something that ends up in the fish and vegetables.
@jerriobial6312
@jerriobial6312 3 года назад
Thank you . I just screen shot this lol 😂
@terryrogers7749
@terryrogers7749 Год назад
Like the video is there a school closer I know you travel I live in Arkansas can you help
@RaquelBatEl
@RaquelBatEl 4 года назад
This video is HANDS DOWN the most informative aquaponics videos I've ever seen. Ken's wealth of knowledge in this field is so impressive and refreshing at the same time; exactly what I was looking for. Thank you so much for making this video!
@Holodomor4.0
@Holodomor4.0 5 лет назад
Wow this guy really knows his stuff! It’s great to listen to an Aquaponics Professional who is so fluent and willing to share their knowledge and most importantly mistakes!
@heidigib01
@heidigib01 4 года назад
Great video, I love how transparent he is about his business. I really admire him and his business principles
@antonioarcienaga2676
@antonioarcienaga2676 4 года назад
Dear Ken, thanks so much for sharing your knowledge and for being modest in teaching. Again, many thanks from Argentina.
@greendiamondaquaponics543
@greendiamondaquaponics543 5 лет назад
This is absolutely fantastic information that couldn't have come at a better time for our business. Although as a hobbyist aquaponic grower I knew some of these mistakes because I've made them, this interview however, goes into great detail about identifying the mistakes, explaining the root-cause(s), and then providing a solution to the problem. Absolutely wonderful interview John, and thank you Ken for sharing your expertise in this exciting form of agriculture. I will definitely be returning to this video in the future as we startup Green Diamond Farm in Washington.
@lolitabonita08
@lolitabonita08 5 лет назад
this guy is so nice to teach us about his business and you John thank you for finding this person...
@GrowFamilyNetwork
@GrowFamilyNetwork 5 лет назад
Hoping to do something like this when I get some free time....or space to get all the materials but on a smaller scale until then traditional gardening has some cool advantages too:) good share John
@jasonkmvang
@jasonkmvang 4 года назад
Wow. Thank you both! Tons and ton of great info here! Cheers to the future lads!
@great0789
@great0789 4 года назад
As a guy with a great running aquaponics system... I will say that this video was a great one for a starting point. Thank you for sharing! There is indeed a LOT of things that were not covered though. Proper design can make the difference between continually having to work on the system... and only having to add water occasionally and fish feed to auto feeders once a week. My system is currently over an hour from where I live. I moved a few months ago and it is neglected. I just show up once a week to check it out... checking PH every few weeks and adding water. Topping off the auto fish feeders. I knew the move was coming before hand though and have large perennials in there to keep it going for the moment. 4 Lemon tree clones, several types of herbs (also cloned), and strawberries. I made clones to bring with me once I move the system down to the new house in a few months. I have to build a new space for it. I am using high quality goldfish that look like little Koi. Not pulling out/changing fish keeps things much more stable. I plan to get a large 10 x 12 greenhouse and make a much larger system than I currently have. Aquaponics for me as a homeowner... is a great tool to have in the tool belt!!! I focus on lettuce and cloning perennial plants. in a 3'x4' bed you can clone 100 trees. Great for homesteading! I designed my system on wheels! I just put the fish into drum when it is time to move... drain the water... place the gravel beds into the tank... and wheel it into my trailer! I can be on the road with it in just an hour or two. Downside is I currently have to wait for rain to re-fill the rain barrel system I am building at the new house.... and still have to build a paver patio for the system since it weights around 2,000 lbs once filled with water.
@wholecirclehomestead2529
@wholecirclehomestead2529 5 лет назад
Great aquaponics information. Thank you for taking the time to educate others John
@gopigopalakrishnan4429
@gopigopalakrishnan4429 5 лет назад
Greetings from India. This is a brilliant video, made more attractive by the endearing and modest qualities of Ken. I truly learnt a lot and enjoyed John's cheerful presentation. Keep it up.
@michaelreyes8525
@michaelreyes8525 4 года назад
*@Steve LG* If you want a great aquaponics system then go here now: www.AquaSystem. club
@puriaKordrostami
@puriaKordrostami 2 года назад
Not only the best informing video on aquaponics and agriculture in general, but also from great people. I enjoyed every second.
@larrypardi9143
@larrypardi9143 5 лет назад
This was a great experience. Thanks.
@muddygupps4330
@muddygupps4330 3 года назад
Love your informational videos. They are a lot of help. Thank you for being you!
@yeschefwithchadkubanoff
@yeschefwithchadkubanoff 4 года назад
Great episode, thank you so much. Hugely inspirational
@MrYoyoyoh
@MrYoyoyoh 5 лет назад
Thank you so much for the video. I havnt gotten all the way through it but when you talked about everybody being able to walk from when youre a baby that was great haha thank you.
@namyiwade3412
@namyiwade3412 4 года назад
Awesome video and a lot of information, Thank you very much!!!!
@Paulzy3
@Paulzy3 4 года назад
I have been studying Aquaponic for some time now, and I think you have the best video so far. Simple, to the point and easy to understand. But I need more info 1) I don't live in the state . 2) they raise a lot of tilapia and shrimp here. 3) the temperature veried from 75 in the winter to 90 in the summer. There is not big wind and the humidity go from 50 to 77%. The reining water is almost yellow. , there is very little regulations for business and it is a flat 12% of your gross sale.. electricity is fairly stable (some time interruption for 2 to 3 hours) but not to often. The water come directly from the mountain or available to purchases. Ahead of lettuce go for $0.6 , cherry tomatoes $3 for 300gr straw berry $3 for 300 gr. I run a spread sheet to see the viability and it would be just what my wife would need to survive me. At this time we live comfortably on my SS, but I am 30 years older and may have an other possible 7 years to go. Whit your experience, do you think this could be feasible?
@robertgreen9150
@robertgreen9150 3 года назад
It's great to see you!! Watched years ago but found you ! Tanks-a-lot!!
@yaguarnecro
@yaguarnecro 5 лет назад
That is a really smart way to grow tomatoes on aquaponics, love it, great vid
@truth0g
@truth0g Год назад
THIS IS THE GUY I WAS LOOKING FOR!!! THANK FOR THIS BRILIANT INTERVIEW!!!
@robertbeckler5058
@robertbeckler5058 5 лет назад
Interesting stuff my kids will love this one
@PearsonParty
@PearsonParty Год назад
Great insight here, THANKS!!!
@tonycanaris6521
@tonycanaris6521 5 лет назад
This guy knows his gardening. I m pretty good but still learning.
@Johnny_Benson
@Johnny_Benson 4 года назад
Very informative and spot on! Great video!
@azharmehmood8962
@azharmehmood8962 4 года назад
Great video! Many thanks.
@duncanhepple3452
@duncanhepple3452 3 года назад
Thanks man you have repared my confidence
@bartpowers9972
@bartpowers9972 2 года назад
Most excellent video thanks for doing it thank Ken for sharing his knowledge 👍👍😎
@julianodetoni3788
@julianodetoni3788 4 года назад
Awesome video! Tnx a lot!
@JurassicJolts
@JurassicJolts 2 года назад
This is a great video. The best I have seen.
@aquaponicssource5005
@aquaponicssource5005 4 года назад
Getting ready to purchase setup by Tuesday.
@ronmazia01
@ronmazia01 2 года назад
This guy's is truly honest.. his personal character.. god bless
@dna3930
@dna3930 2 года назад
Thank you for information.
@inexpertxennial6067
@inexpertxennial6067 3 года назад
Thanks for this amazing video
@MikeM-co6dm
@MikeM-co6dm 4 года назад
Wow !.. this is some good info
@TheOreokat
@TheOreokat 2 года назад
John, thank you for this EXCELLENT video. Incredibly detailed and informative. I've watched your various aquaponics videos highlighting different approaches and methodologies and am curious: If you were to start a new commercial aquaponics system yourself what would be the main, core components you would choose for yours? For instance would you include seed starting, vertical growing, various bed types with different vegetable options, a certain greenhouse configuration, etc.? You've seen all these systems up close and personal so your opinions will be invaluable as I begin to plan a system myself. Thanks a million!
@davidtope9595
@davidtope9595 2 года назад
Great interview Jon!
@christoper1930
@christoper1930 3 года назад
This is your best video yet !!!!!
@meesamrazvi
@meesamrazvi 5 лет назад
great work john 👍
@travisdeeth8614
@travisdeeth8614 4 года назад
Awesome video!
@bobweglin9644
@bobweglin9644 5 лет назад
Hi John, Great Video! Will you be doing a video on Fogponics which seems like it would use much less water than hydroponics? Best wishes...
@JardinBienRegado
@JardinBienRegado 4 года назад
Good content I've been learning a lot from your video's. I've been working on a chop and flip myself, i put a few videos of my progress. Keep making video's :).
@gregorytoddsmith9744
@gregorytoddsmith9744 5 лет назад
Ken is awesome!!
@admitchell1377
@admitchell1377 4 года назад
thanks guys that was excellent,, amateur to pro
@johntexan4165
@johntexan4165 4 года назад
In hot or cold climates, couldn't you bury your lines and let the earth cool/warm the water? Of course, you'll need to be deep enough that you'll be below the frost or heat line. You'll also need to run the lines far enough to allow the earth time to cool/heat the water. Great video :)
@bigbossadidoss8678
@bigbossadidoss8678 2 года назад
The issue with geothermal is maintenance. If a water line broke it would be much harder to get to
@johntexan4165
@johntexan4165 2 года назад
@@bigbossadidoss8678 I’m referring to just air… it would be through convection . Air is drawn in and heated/cooled by the ground. Constant ambient temperate. My apologies if my comment wasn’t clear. I mention this because of a gentleman that was growing oranges in the Midwest using this very method (and a hybrid wilipini setup to assist, since he has harsh winters).
@nafsearthling3214
@nafsearthling3214 3 года назад
Bro, I love your videos.
@nickreno644
@nickreno644 2 года назад
Thank you for the show John and thank you for your guest although I need to let you know that superior fresh is the largest Aquaponics in the US and then you might actually want to go check out Nelson and Pade because I got my training there and they are a great couple and they would love to have you all bet! Take care buddy love you, Nick
@jasonmare33
@jasonmare33 3 года назад
awesome!
@treelee2668
@treelee2668 5 лет назад
😔 I want to learn practically in our farm but I am so far that I could not get able to reach there even I collect 5 years earning. Thanks for such kind of vedio which would have helped me be informative such kind of gardening with nature.
@andykrein3378
@andykrein3378 3 года назад
Two question.. What is adjustable pump make? Also does Duckweed compete with grow bed plants for nutrients because this is a good food for the fish?
@johnsonbonang9534
@johnsonbonang9534 3 года назад
U guys a the best.
@Theresiliantnorwegian
@Theresiliantnorwegian 4 года назад
What type of fish would you use in a high desert climate where it is really cold in the winter and at night but really hot in the summer?
@HYEpower
@HYEpower 5 лет назад
I have a koi fish pond... anyway I can scoop out the poop and add lets say H202 hydrogen peroxide 3% mixed with water to make oxygenated water to put the poop in to break it down into minerals or would it be better to use mykos with the poop to break down the poop?
@Brzypoint
@Brzypoint 5 лет назад
Absolutely incredible video John!!! I have always had this vision of a farm like that, except on the next level, where the fish holding tanks are custom built to mimic rivers and small ponds, maybe even a waterfall or two, like in nature and designing the plant area around it with paths going through everything. Basically a fully functional eco-system like he has but designed and promoted to draw people in on tours to educate them and show people we can recreate a tranquil environment built around a sustainable eco-system that can feed a community and double as a park or place to relax in, sort of a stress release...heck, you could even put in a sound system with nature sounds...just sayin' ;-) Problem is, I don't have an extra 10 million laying around hahaha!!
@GreenGorgeousness
@GreenGorgeousness 5 лет назад
That sounds absolutely enchanting. I'll let you know when I get that 10 mill 😊
@2busyReading
@2busyReading 4 года назад
You can always just start one day at a time. Build a small or medium pond get some friends or family to help you tell them about your ideas.
@enriquecabrera2137
@enriquecabrera2137 4 года назад
Its not as expensive as youd think
@vikashg4474
@vikashg4474 5 лет назад
what type of climate is best for trouts
@alexcole8438
@alexcole8438 8 месяцев назад
Hi, Great video. I was wondering why the fish are white or pale in aquaponics systems?
@rachelrutti
@rachelrutti 4 года назад
Question - Need help. I believe you said at higher densities aggressive fish like Tilapia become more docile which is what I need. Tilapia at 3 -5 gallons per fish are fighting territorial. How dense can we make them? Have multiple smaller 10-20 gallon tanks. Was thinking of putting more together more dense to see if that helps. Thoughts?
@bigbossadidoss8678
@bigbossadidoss8678 2 года назад
Gotta have good water quality to have better fish density from what I understand
@Iloveorganicgardening
@Iloveorganicgardening 5 лет назад
That's amazing that he has learned everything by trial and error
@Freek314
@Freek314 5 лет назад
By amazing, you mean highly suspect? Let's be real, magicians don't give away the secret to their tricks and no-one else does, either.
@fernyblue
@fernyblue 2 года назад
Can you use the excess fish waste removed from the system be put into my compost pile?
@KristosMenfes
@KristosMenfes Год назад
what about just using shiners or baitfish for low temp crops. And also farmed predatory aka beneficial insects also contain theor prey aka the bad guys if not their eggs
@malekzantout5171
@malekzantout5171 3 года назад
I was planning to go for this business after I've seen your video I'm really afraid still complicated I wish I have in my country people are expertise like you are but unfortunately we don't if you can give me an advice I appreciate
@moe42o
@moe42o 2 года назад
I just watched that farm video and was thinking of all the fish to raise? Gross! The worst part was donating to the N.W.H. Bad business boy's! Keep up the great work. I've got one going with three comet gold fish hang on the back filter and a GG#5 seedling, growing out the top.
@brandonterry6194
@brandonterry6194 8 месяцев назад
GRATITUDE 💥🐟💥
@kkyogish
@kkyogish 6 месяцев назад
How does pollination occur in closed room
@haroldthommen2666
@haroldthommen2666 3 года назад
Ken is way better than the other dude "like"
@powertrain355
@powertrain355 3 года назад
John does cool stuff. John makes me smile. Everybody should be like John.
@rishib4011
@rishib4011 4 года назад
Brilliant by Ken, thank you so much. Honest, humble, knowledgeable etc etc. The other guy, the classic american quacker, thanks for arranging it, but you talk too much.
@jedwardoo
@jedwardoo 5 лет назад
Is it worth using LED and solar panels instead of just sunlight and electricity from the utility company?
@jasonsimmons4319
@jasonsimmons4319 4 года назад
Even in high value crops like cannabis there is still about a 5 year recoup time to make up investment in led over hps lighting but you can use solar for any lighting system led does not mean it is connected to solar
@reygortega3669
@reygortega3669 3 года назад
is catfish good for aquaponics?
@Mgtow_Monk
@Mgtow_Monk 4 года назад
He adds air also to the water because when the lights are off / it becomes night. Plants take in oxygen and expel Carbon dioxide while during the daytime they take on Carbon Dioxide and expel Oxygen.
@jasonsimmons4319
@jasonsimmons4319 4 года назад
No roots respire oxygen constantly regardless of time of day and carbon fixation can occur at night depending on the metabolic type of plant you are dealing with
@JhunDumsTVXj
@JhunDumsTVXj 2 года назад
Wow beautiful
@MrGrombie
@MrGrombie 3 года назад
That blue pen looks like it is at home. Lol
@armouredjester1622
@armouredjester1622 2 года назад
It lives in that pocket like my black pen lives in mine. I love my pen
@punkyroo
@punkyroo 5 лет назад
*Aquaponics does NOT need to be as difficult as this video suggests.* I'd just like to say that aquaponics or "natural hydroponics (AKA "fishless aquaponics) can be self-regulating as well. That is really the appeal. I've had a lot of success with these systems and I don't go crazy with all this monitoring and buffering and tweaking. Maybe that is necessary in commercial setups, but it's overkill on a personal level.
@greendiamondaquaponics543
@greendiamondaquaponics543 5 лет назад
On a larger scale it is extremely important to have several controls in your system to increase the likelihood of success. Monitoring pH, dissolved solids, dissolved o2, is paramount to ensuring a balanced and healthy system. Even in smaller systems it is extremely important to follow the mistakes laid out in this highly informational video. One of the biggest pieces of advice was on filtration, your system may thrive for months, maybe even years w/o proper filtration, however there will be a tipping point when the solid waste then starts raising the pH and thereby cutting the nutrient uptake of your plants while also killing off the beneficial bacteria that are the true heart of your aquaponics system. This will happen even in the smallest of systems.
@terileef3330
@terileef3330 4 года назад
Its completely different going commercially. Its all built around safety!
@altha-rf1et
@altha-rf1et 5 лет назад
too many things can go wrong
@martyvanord984
@martyvanord984 3 года назад
John I do think that you have the best content but I just do not watch you much because one hour is a sizable chunk of time. My old boss used to continually push me to be concise. Covering a whole topic fully and in a concise manner is an art form. Your content is top quality.
@farmerjhemp
@farmerjhemp 10 месяцев назад
pH is important. Sandponics systems stay perfectly stable at 6.4.
@brendanj1124
@brendanj1124 3 года назад
throw in some ducted HPS lights over the plants that need more light, run them via solar technology, there's your problem solved with . with the crysanthos??? couldn't you make a frame out of steel, paint it with microbial proof UV protected paint, an then make hangers to support their weight structure ??? or would that not be beneficial for its flavor profile due to less stress??
@NealservantofdaLordJesusChrist
@NealservantofdaLordJesusChrist 10 месяцев назад
I never heard the word system used so many times in 1 hour in my life
@djssquibbs3295
@djssquibbs3295 2 года назад
I wanted to try a backyard AP system with Tilapia. now I won't it's too complicated ugghhh, this took the wind out of my sails. ughhhh
@michaelwhelchel5546
@michaelwhelchel5546 Год назад
Adding dirt and potassium to tomatoes ... wouldn't that seep into aquaponics and hurt the fish?
@sannydondon2533
@sannydondon2533 Год назад
Expexsive than hydroponics
@edgardoarellano7073
@edgardoarellano7073 3 года назад
What is wrong in tilapia, why it is forbidden in some area? I can’t understand.
@Bob-yl9pm
@Bob-yl9pm 3 года назад
Because they are in California (Cali- foreign- nation). Even when there is no chance of their tilapia escaping into the wild, it's the human entrepreneurs who are the true invasive species in California! I remember back in the 70's crossing the state boarder into California. Our RV was stopped and searched for any citrus fruits! Good Grief!
@jasperlambert
@jasperlambert 4 года назад
Hope this guy wasn't the one who called the department of fish and wildlife on the other local business 🤔😂
@sciologist
@sciologist 2 года назад
What is your electric bill?
@joebenson7385
@joebenson7385 2 года назад
The green leaf lettuce that is diseased looks more like pythium…water mold fungi
@valeriesanchez3074
@valeriesanchez3074 3 года назад
If you have sufficient dissolved oxygen levels in your water, Your plants will thrive. Won't need to worry about nitrates being too toxic as the plants will absorb it. Do a search on sodium thiosulfate. Can use it to test the dissolved oxygen levels in the water. The science behind water temperatures do affect how concentrated it will be. Also with fresh/salt water. This many gardeners pay little to no attention.
@fishmanroly7450
@fishmanroly7450 5 лет назад
Koi fillets mmm...
@kenarmstrong4742
@kenarmstrong4742 5 лет назад
They are our ornamental fish, our other 7 tanks have rainbow trout as a food fish.
@DocumentaryDoc
@DocumentaryDoc 3 года назад
What's the best fish for 10 degrees F to 95 degrees F ? XD God this is going to be hard to select the right fish.
@MikeM-co6dm
@MikeM-co6dm 4 года назад
Glad you informed about choosing the right kind of fish... government regulation ... wow!!
@General_Gene
@General_Gene 2 года назад
dude would use a mic this ideo would be TV show quality.
@robertwilkinson8115
@robertwilkinson8115 2 года назад
I want to find a way to grow BACON!
@sprattonburnett
@sprattonburnett 4 года назад
Can you build a hydroponic system without the fish?
@jasonsimmons4319
@jasonsimmons4319 4 года назад
Of course... you use synthetic soluble ferts instead of fish waste
@npc.artist
@npc.artist 3 года назад
Duck are good at producing waste to 👍🏻
@claudematte4844
@claudematte4844 Год назад
Pretty sure the pump dont pump 75 g / min
@darthvader5300
@darthvader5300 4 года назад
Aquaponics? Use the original aquaponics of Lake Titicaca called "chinampas" and Lake Inle called "floating garden-farm of Burma"
@stephenschubert2685
@stephenschubert2685 Год назад
does all that plastic leach into the plants
@imnotgaye
@imnotgaye 3 года назад
Heizenberg of plants
@michaelgilmore3038
@michaelgilmore3038 2 года назад
You'll need a better looking Hat in the future 🤣
@marketermagic4993
@marketermagic4993 3 года назад
ken mcelroy-abcs of real estate tom wheelright-tax free wealth robert kiyosaki-rich dad poor dad
@admitchell1377
@admitchell1377 4 года назад
in spain or id do your course peace
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