TOP 100 STRONGEST FATE CHARACTERS: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-poKzfyZY7UE.html&ab_channel=GuessWho ----- REASONING BEHIND THE TOP 40 SERVANTS: *1) GILGAMESH & ENKIDU:* Gilgamesh is stated to be the strongest Heroic Spirit/Servant that can be summoned in a Holy Grail War. Even among the other Top Servants he is regarded as “incomparable.” Enkidu is stated to have equal RAW POWER and COMBAT STRENGTH to Gilgamesh. *2) KARNA:* Karna is stated to be as strong as Gilgamesh 3 times and to contend for the highest place among all servants. Although his armor is pretty shit normally (it is stated Siegfried can decapitate him with a regular swing if Karna is careless, and Cu Alter also one shotted him in his 2nd interlude), its True Name Release was able to endure Arjuna Alter’s Mahapralaya for 5 seconds. *3) OZYMANDIAS:* It took Stella + Excalibur-Proto to take down Ozymandias. It could be argued his NP surpasses Vasavi Shakti, at least going by feats but Karna’s nature as a god and fire NPs/skills are just good enough counters to Ozy in order to give him a slight edge. They are interchangeable. *4) ARTORIA:* Artoria under Shirou doesn’t receive any Magical Energy so her feats in Stay Night shouldn’t be used to determine how strong she is. Even in Fate/Zero it is still stated she doesn’t receive enough Mana, and that she has low luck because of it. At FULL POWER, Artoria is regarded as the STRONGEST SABER-Class Servant, and 1 of the 7 Top Servants of the Moon Cell (the 7 strongest servants in Fate/EXTRA). Even CHARLEMAGNE (who is equal to Karna in CQC) with the support of TAMAMO + NERO, was unable to move “A SINGLE INCH” Artoria in a fight. If that weren’t enough, she can fire Mana Burst nukes capable of killing Heracles SEVERAL TIMES over if given enough mana. Artoria also states that if she was at her best and played defense, she could hold her own against GATE OF BABYLON for a while WITHOUT the need of using her NP. It is stated that if she used Excalibur Gilgamesh would only win if he drew a NP equally strong (hinting at Ea’s existence). GoB on its own wouldn’t be enough to match Excalibur. And to top it all off, Artoria has insane Luck and Charisma that is confirmed by Nasu to allow her to pull out miracles from her ass. *5) ACHILLES:* Achilles is the fastest hero, but against other Top Servants that doesn’t mean much. Hector is stated to be his EQUAL in POWER, and it is also stated that Achilles only defeated him due to a “PAPER-THIN difference in SKILL.” Therefore, if you can defeat Hector in CQC, there’s a 99% chance that you can beat Achilles too. If we take NPs into account, Achilles truly shines. His chariot is super fast, to the point Chiron couldn’t even see him moving. It took Chiron combining his Clairvoyance + Mind’s Eye to actually kill 1 of the steeds. Akhilleus Kosmos is also super strong, but not Vasavi Shakti level by any means. Just like Rho Aias blocking a fragment of Excalibur doesn’t make Rho Aias Excalibur level, the same happens here. Vasavi Shakti had already been fired for a few seconds against Balmung, and although the shield managed to block the remaining blast, it BROKE while doing so. EXCALIBUR nukes should be able to counter it. As for Achilles vs REGULAR Artoria, I think it can go either way. In a frontal assault, Artoria wins, if Achilles spams his chariot he has an edge. *6) ALTERA & ISKANDAR:* Altera defeated GAWAIN (BUFFED by the Sun), and made Cu Chulainn run away saying she’s too strong. With her Master’s support, she’s able to fight Gil’s Gate of Babylon to a draw. Although her NP is really strong, even after buffing it with all the Magical Energy in the atmosphere to the point it would “destroy the entire world”, Salter was still powerful enough to one shot her with Excalibur. Iskandar is also here because he is stated to be 1 of the 7 Top Servants and equally powerful to Altera. Even under a 2nd rate master in Fate/Zero, his chariot was so fast that he almost managed to Kill Artoria before she fire Excalibur, and it is stated that had his master not been at risk he wouldn’t have flinched at the very last moment and actually succeeded. It was also stated that a clash between Ionioi Hetairioi and Excalibur or Gate of Babylon could go either way. Iskandar is also physically strong enough to exchange blows with Altera in CQC and actually press her. He has very bad compatibility with weaker opponents that can only be countered with Nukes (Gigantic Horror for instance), but it doesn’t take a genius to see that all his other feats point at him being an Altera/Artoria tier servant. *7) ARJUNA:* Arjuna is as powerful as Karna, but he has a fatal weakeness. The AMOUNT OF TIME it takes him to charge Pahupata is too big. In EXTELLA LINK Karna was able to charge and fire Vasavi Shakti so fast Arjuna was completely defenseless. Had Charlemagne not intervened and blocked it with his own NP Arjuna would have died. Some people then try to argue that this wasn’t the case in the FGO manga (the pinnacle of Fate canon, sarcasm), saying that there Arjuna and Karna both charged their NPs at the same time, however, these people like to ignore that the FGO manga is a fucking circus full of contradictions with the source material such as Saint Martha’s Tarasque being stronger than Mash’s Lord Chaldeas whereas it blocked Excalibur Morgan a singularity prior. The same Tarasque is stated to be weaker than Fafnir, which in turn is stated to be less powerful than 1 Demon God Pillar or Heracles. By the Manga’s logic; Herc (1 life) or 1 Demon God > Fafnir > Tarasque > Lord Chaldeas > Excalibur Morgan. Taking EXTELLA LINK as an Anti-Feat in exchange for the FGO Manga is retarded. Some people then try to argue that Karna in EXTELLA LINK is buffed during the fight with Arjuna, and while that is true, the buff was just giving him extra mana. Having extra mana doesn’t reduce the mana cost of your abilities or allow you to charge them faster. If Karna could fire VS twice as fast as Arjuna that’s simply because the charging time is that much shorter. Even if we disregard all that and say the time is equal, there’s still the fact that Charlemagne was able to fire his NP before Arjuna despite Arjuna starting charging beforehand. If you argue Arjuna = Karna then Charlemagne, who isn’t even Artoria or Scathach level, would one-shot Karna in a fight before he ever saw what hit him. *8) HERACLES [GOD HAND]:* He is as physically strong as Saber Alter, but gets owned by Mana Burst nukes and Excalibur on a daily basis. Some people higher on the list might not have access to 12 different ways to kill him, but they are still overall stronger. *9) ARASH [STELLA]:* He was able to momentarily fight in CQC Lancelot, even blocking his sword and drawing blood. He wasn’t even fighting him at long range, which is his specialty. Even Lancelot’s strongest attack didn’t kill him. Therefore, Arash can fight pretty much everyone below him in a battle not involving NPs, and if they do use it then Stella just one-shots them. *10) GILLES DE RAIS (GIANT MONSTER FORM):* Unless you can one-shot Gigantic Horror with an Excalibur level NP with wide destructive capacity, you can’t beat Gigantic Horror. Even though Iskandar is as strong as Altera and Artoria he could only stall Gigantic Horror for a few minutes. *11) VLAD III [LEGEND OF DRACULA] (OUTSIDE OF ROMANIA):* He’s fast enough to react to Achilles, and strong enough to not only overpower Karna with A SINGLE PUNCH, sending him flying but also throw stakes each as strong as a Noble Phantasm that are capable of piercing Karna’s armor. It took a group formed by Karna (Armor + Mana Burst) + Achilles + Jeanne + Chiron + Atalanta, all buffed by Jeanne’s COMMAND SPELLS, just to stall him until daybreak when his powers would weaken. It isn’t until Sieg starts spamming Balmung with his Galvanism skill that he manages to counter Brahmastra Kundala and Karna states Sieg is the strongest opponent he has fought. If you have good speed and a good nuke you should be able to beat Dracula. *12) RICHARD:* Even after having stolen Jack the Ripper's From Hell, Alcides was shocked by Richard's performance against GoB, and stated that he should be cautious of him. Richard is able to dodge GoB with his sheer speed which is reinforced TWICE OVER by his 2nd NP, and his Godspeed skill. He can also spam Excalibur more than 20 times over, sending Gilgamesh up in the air like a little child kicking a balloon. Gilgamesh only ever hit him cause Richard shielded his master who was in the building below them. Still, he admits that his chances at beating GoB head-on are very low. Later in Volume 6 of SF we learn Richard had been suppressed the entire series, so he might move a few ranks higher in the future as new content is published. *13) YAGYUU MUNENORI:* Even after Musashi defeated all the Heroic Spirit swordmasters in Shimousa (Raikou, Shuten, Tomoe Gozen…), Saber of Empireo was too strong for her. He was so skilled he was always one step ahead, predicting her every move. It was only thanks to Musashi finally mastering her NP, Ishana Daitenshou that she managed to defeat Empireo. If that wasn’t impressive enough, Saber of Empireo is WAY WEAKER than FULL POWER Yagyu. In his interlude, we see a flashback from the time Ritsuka met Musashi again in LB1. When she learns Yagyuu has been summoned as a Servant of chaldea, she says that if they fought again Yagyuu might likely win. As a Heroic Spirit, Yagyuu “has peered beyond the veil, achieved enlightenment, and become a Sword Saint beyond compare.” Aka he has a Noble Phantasm his Shimousa counterpart didn’t have. The order would be ⇒ *Yagyuu (NP) >= LB1 Musashi (NP) > Simousa Musashi (NP) = Saber Sasaki (NP) > Saber of Empireo >= Shimousa Musashi.*
*14) USHI GOZEN/MINAMOTO NO RAIKOU:* She is stated to be a Demon Pillar class disaster. Even the combined efforts of Sakata Kintoki, Ushiwakamaru, Benkei, Fuuma Kotarou, and Mash are unable to find an opening in her movements to breakthrough. It was necessary for Shuten Douji to wound her with a surprise attack that she left an opening that Kintoki used to kill her with his NP. In Shimousa they state Raikou and Shuten would need their alive bodies to fight Saber of Empireo and Caster of Limbo, so the top tier Japanese swordsman such as Musashi or Yagyuu all scale above Raikou. *15) SUZUKA GOZEN:* As the daughter of the Demon King of the 4th Heaven, Suzuka Gozen would normally be too strong to qualify as a servant. She needs to nerf herself to actually fit in a Servant container. With her 3rd NP she is able to momentarily unlock her divine powers and gets EX Clairvoyance on par with the Moon Cell’s computing capabilities. This allowed her to defeat Minamoto no Raikou. Suzuka states that if Raikou had transformed into Ushi Gozen she MIGHT have lost due to the difference in “divine rank.” All in all, I decided to place Suzuka right below Ushi Gozen. *16) SIEGFRIED:* Siegfried is stated to be evenly matched with Karna in close-range combat, and Balmung is as strong, if not stronger than Brahmastra Kundala. His Armor of Fafnir also reduces ALL DAMAGE he takes to E rank wounds. In fact, he is confirmed to have a “tougher body” than Karna. If Siegfried fought Sun Gawain for example, who is stated in Fate/EXTELLA to be an equal match for Karna, Siegfried would just stall him until sunset just like he did Karna. Even if Excalibur Galatine was slightly superior to Balmung, it would barely do any damage to Siegfried, since Balmung would offset it, and Armor of Fafnir take care of the rest. The reason Siegfried isn’t higher is that as a servant he is extremely nerfed, having lost his dragon core and his ability to spam Balmung (unlike Sieg who had Galvanism). Balmung itself is also way weaker than when he was alive. *17) CÚ CHULAINN (LANCER CLASS):* In Stay Night, Cu Chulainn is actually WEAKENED, as he is the only servant in that series that gets 0 fame in Japan, and he also has a low mana supply. Even then, it is stated that he is the fastest servant in the war and that he would have some chances, even if they are pretty low, at actually defeating Heracles. Gae Bolg also broke all 7 layers of Rho Aias, albeit by getting blocked in the process. If that weren’t enough, he can further empower Rho Aias with Runes. Since Nasu left up for debate whether Rho Aias can block Bellerophon, and WEAKENED Gae Bolg was on par with Rho Aias, it’s pretty much a fact that FULL POWER Gae Bolg BUFFED by Runes would be above Bellerophon. At Full strength, he is stated to be on par with Lu Bu, Gawain (Sun Buff), and Karna, at least, in CLOSE RANGE COMBAT. Given his versatile arsenal and raw power, he has no problems dealing with most of the A rank servants. However, he can’t compete with Top Servants. He himself said that Altera was too powerful for him, and Gawain (Sun Buff) with his full arsenal was also considered to be stronger than him. While this would normally make Siegfried stronger, it could be argued the Gae Bolg thrust can bypass Armor of Fafnir, either by striking the weak spot or by virtue of how it works. Gae Bolg’s damage is equal to the opponents HP + 100. But Armor of Fafnir also reduces a B+ value from all NPs. Would Armor of Fafnir take into account the 100+ value in its reduction? Either way, Siegfried’s disengage should allow him to evade the thrust. Balmung being as strong as Brahmastra Kundala and having a shorter charging time than Thrown Gae Bolg should also give him an edge. *18) LANCELOT (SABER CLASS):* Lancelot is equal or slightly inferior to Sun Gawain (who is confirmed to be fodder to people like Iskandar, Altera, and Artoria). Thanks to his superior skill, he can stall Gawain until nightfall, when he loses his sun buff. The reason he isn’t above Siegfried is that Siegfried is basically as strong as Sun Gawain/Karna, but with infinite sun. Even though Arondight is Anti-Dragon, that only means it’ll do more damage if it hits him, not that Lancelot suddenly becomes 10 times stronger and faster lol. Just like Sieg couldn’t beat Mordred despite having Dragon blood, as long as your opponent is as strong or slightly stronger than you, being Anti Dragon isn’t gonna give you any advantage. Armor of Fafnir still works just fine against Anti Dragon NPs, so even if Lancelot gets a clean hit, it’ll be reduced to an E rank wound. Siegfried also has the more powerful NP. Cu Chulainn would also be just as strong if not slightly weaker than Lancelot but with a much stronger NP. Thrown Gae Bolg amped by Runes would one-shot Lancelot. *19) BRYNHILDR:* She was stronger than 3 Valkyries combined, and she is stated to be on par with King Arthur in CQC. She has a powerful NP and Runes as well. She could very well be above Lancelot, Cu, and Siegfried, but since Siegfried defeats both her and Sigurd in an event (albeit with Ritsuka’s support), I didn’t push it. *20) MEDUSA* *21) OKITA SOUJI:* Okita defeated Oda Nobunaga twice. While it is confirmed that Okita has good compatibility with Nobunaga (Nobunaga gets stronger the more "ancient" a Heroic Spirit is, and Okita happens to be pretty modern), Okita was able to defeat Nobunaga even while weakened by her Weak Constitution skill. Okita was also able to kill Mori Nagayoshi, who scales above Lancer Li Shuwen. Even when working together with Nobunaga and Mash, there was nothing they could do to counter Arash’s Stella, so the people who think Okita and Nobu clap Top Servants are drunk. *22) ODA NOBUNAGA:* She was widely considered to be the strongest servant in Type Redline. Even after Okita defeated her at the climax of the story, Maxwell's Demon praised Okita saying he didn't believe anyone could beat her. They also state that even if Mori and Okata worked together, they wouldn't be able to beat her. She defeated Sakamoto Ryouma high diff. *23) SAKAMOTO RYOUMA:* Fought pretty even with Nobunaga, despite Nobu having an advantage over servants with high mystery (Sakamoto's NP is a Dragon) and/or the riding skill (Sakamoto is a Rider). This means Nobunaga is stronger against Sakamoto than against Okita. Therefore, it is impossible to tell for 100% if Okita could beat Sakamoto, or if nobunaga (mystery boost) would be above okita. However, since Nobunaga did say Okita was comparable to Sakamoto, without having yet seen her full arsenal, and WEAKENED Okita defeated Nobu, I went with Okita > Nobunaga (overall) > Sakamoto. *24) NAGAO KAEGTORA:* Even with her NP she wouldn't be able to defeat Shibata. The same Shibata that was a close rival for Oryou/Sakamoto. She does well against Nobunaga, but that is only because projectile weapons don't work against Kagetora due to her "Armor is on the Chest" skill. *25) SAINT MARTHA:* She is stronger than Beowulf in CQC, which already places her above Lostbelt Anastasia and on the same tier as spearless Li Shuwen. On top of that, she has a dragon NP that even while suppressed could give Jeanne d’Arc + a bunch of servants trouble. She stated she is way weaker than Fafnir/Jeanne d’Arc Alter, so she doesn’t scale much higher. *26) RAMA [BRAHMASTRA]:* Rama is stated to be on par with Karna in CQC. His Brahmastra NP is weaker than Cu Alter’s Gae Bolg. *27) HIPPOLYTA:* Hippolyta is right about on par with BASE Alcides. She also performed well against GoB. She still hasn't used her 2nd NP, and can supposedly overcharge her main NP to transform into a Divine Spirit. She has the potential to get higher, but as of volume 6, this is as high as she gets.. *28) HECTOR & PENTHESILEA (Enraged):* We know Hector WITHOUT any NP is as strong as BASE Achilles. This means that if you swapped him with Achilles in Apocrypha he would perform just as good as he did against Chiron, Atalanta [Agrius Metamorphosis] and so on. If he uses his NP Durindana he is evenly matched with Enraged Pnethesielea, the same Penthesilea that was on par with Megalos. *29) EMIYA:* He can one shot everyone below him in the list with Nine Live in CQC. At long range he can use Borken Phantasms (which will likely be stronger than 99% of the NPs below on the list) or Unlimited Blade Works. When he fires all swords at once in UBW he can evenly match Angelica’s Ea. Although this Ea is nothing compared to Gil’s, it is still a good feat showing the firepower potential of UBW. He can also defeat Salter tier opponents in CQC with the Triple Crane Wings, and he managed to kill Heracles 6 Times in the Fate Route. It was also left up for debate in an interview whether Rho Aias can momentarily block Bellerophon, so most of the NPs below don’t stand a chance. EMIYA’s only bad sta is his speed. He couldn’t even see WEAKENED Cu Chulainn moving, and Heracles despite being extremely weakened after his fight with Salter would have managed to kill Shirou had he not stopped himself at the very last moment after seeing Illya. Top Servant candidates give EMIYA trouble, although he certainly meets winning conditions.
*30) GAWAIN (NIGHT TIMES):* Gawain during Night Time is 3 times weaker than Siegfried, Full Power Cu Chulainn, and Lancelot. He claims he could beat Mordred in this state, and he was about as strong if not stronger than Karna under a thrid rate master. This is the same Karna that even without his armor or Vasavi Shakti was way stronger than Nero/EMIYA/Tamamo POST Defeating Passionlip. The same Passionlip that makes Elizabeth Bathory, an A rank servant, look like fodder. This places NIGHT Gawain way higher than first rate servants such as Passionlip or Eliza. *31) MORDRED & XUANZANG:* Mordred defeated Sieg transformed as Siegfried, however, in the Light Novel it is stated that Sieg was actually inexperienced and that he couldn't fight properly. Mordred notices this, and believes that by his 2nd transformation, Sieg would be his equal, and by his 3rd one, stronger. Xuanzang with her 2 NPs combined tied with Mordred. *32) NIKOLA TESLA:* Stronger than Mordred in CQC, but weaker in a battle of NPs. *33) DAVID:* Regarded as a really powerful servant by Mash. He survived several strikes from Herc’s Nine Lives. His NP also killed once Heracles, although Herc’s big size played a role. However, by that logic, it would also work on Lu Bu or Super Orion. He can also move the Ark towards him telepathically, so considering his strength and endurance, he should be able to weaken most servants with his first NP and then one shot them with Ark after pinning them down. *34) LU BU:* Equally matched with FULL POWER Cu chulainn in CQC. He can also give SUN Gawain a run for his money in CQC. Nero/Tamamo/No Name needed an Anti-Berserker Class Talisman to actually beat him. *35) LI SHUWEN:* Li Shuwen was stronger than Beowulf, and he is implied to be the strongest enemy they had faced in EXTRA up to that point. This would make Li stronger than Lu Bu/Cu in extra in CQC. Nero/Tamamo/No Name needed to turn off his Sphere Boundary skill before their fight to actually beat him. And all this is Li Shuwen in his Assassin class. As a Lancer he’d be somewhat stronger, but still way weaker than the likes of Nobunaga, Ryouma, or Okita. Once Type Redline readapts the Koha Ace series he might actually move up to Hector level or so. Who knows. *36) NERO CLAUDIUS:* Needed extra help to defeat Assassin Li Shuwen and Lu Bu. Defeated Drake and Robin Hood while weakened and without using her NP. *37) TRISTAN:* Defeated a simulation of Sun Gawain in his interlude, but Chaldea’s simulations are nowhere as strong as the real thing, as shown in Inshun’s interlude where they fail to make an NPC as strong as Lancer of Purgatorio. Tristan’s arrows are so fodder they can’t even damage Mordred, as he once fired an arrow at her back by accident and Mordred didn’t even notice the arrow was on her back for an entire day. Clarent Blood Arthur nukes can fucke him up as shown in the Camelot movie. *38) SUPER ORION:* As a regular servant Super Orion is about on par with Achilles at 30% of his speed. Penthesilea defeated Orion without even using her rage boost, so further evidence people who scale to Siegfried/Achilles/Karna/Sun Gawain in CQC can clap Orion 1v1.
its never specified how he compares to Gilgamesh, it could just mean hes relative to GoB Gil. one of the statements is from iskandar, so that would only apply to the power he has seen of gil in extella. Nasu says he is shoulder to shoulder with Gil but again thats a little vague and doesnt mean full power Gil with ea. hakuno compares karna and gawain with their HEROIC SPIRIT ranks, meaning it would include their full arsenal. BB says she didnt expect so much firepower from night gawain considering he was on the same level as karna, then realises the difference is because of masters meaning the statement of them being on par doesnt take master limitations into account. hell Charlemagne's np was able to hold vasavi shakti, balmung boosted by c spell was EQUAL to vasavi shakti and all a c spell does is provide the magical energy, it doesnt increase the maximum output, which would be siegfried level
@@professor-yaegar command spells do increase your output. Sometimes they even replicate true magic. The shorter the amp takes effect the greater the amp is. When Balmung gains a command spell amp it unlocks its full power age of gods true ether release and becomes anti fortress. That's not something regular siegfried can do normally.
To be fair, Gil should be able to win pretty much every fight he's in, he just usually fucks himself over by underestimating his opponent and his own arrogance. He has something in his GoB for any situation he could find himself in
@@tomascurti1753 sure, not every fight. But a good number of them, at least of those we have seen him fight on screen/page. He just fucks himself over due to his ego
I know the top 20 ain't special anymore today in Fate.. And yet there's still something about these servants that makes them way cooler for me than the other, way stronger ones. The fact that they're so strong because of their "legendary" legend and fame and the fact their OP moves are based off of that is so much cooler to me than servants like the Arjuna who absorbed all the Indian deities or Scathach-Skadi who merged with multiple goddesses. Like they wrote their own story and are being rewarded for it now or smth.
I've been excited for this one. Since this list is about a standard HGW, will there be a consideration for masters or will we be assuming that all the masters are the exact same, since the strength and capabilities of the servant greatly depend on the master (EX: Artoria being mega nerfed with Shirou or Iskandar only having 3 uses of Ionioi Hetairoi with Waver)?
@@scathachqueenofdunscaith2500 What do you mean? To get her all you had to do was complete the story, then you get her. Once the All-Out Majin Assault begins you then have specific missions to get 4 more Kagetoras.
Good shit, I think the biggest surprise was Richard, I knew he was at least going to be around the Cu/Gawain/Siegfried tier, but I didn't expect that he would be that many spots above them. Also Okita in 21, Kidu and Bill in shambles.
@@kaled20001 I didn't read any strange imperial HGW series nor play any gudaguda event but since her profile says she has a weak body she must be cursed arm level😉
achilles is cool, but some fanart artists struggle to pull out the green hair looking fresh. It's the one thing I'm exceptic about his design but it looks great in that pic
lol look at that, never thought you'd put Gil and Karna at the top of your list. i was expecting Artoria to be no.1 since she got ultrawanked in extella link. also where is Medea? isn't she like one of the strongest magi in fateverse?
WOAH congrats Guess ! The list was perfect. I think for now I have nothing to say. 99,9% agree with you (Cuz I don't know about exactly about everyone without exeption here) By the way, I wonder, why didn't you include Saber Proto ? Since you could have made him tied 4 right ?
Proto arthur is just artoria from another timeline. Not a servant you can summon in a regular HGW. Having multiple versions of one character with the exact same abilities and power level is redundant
very good the video I have a question Couldn't Iri provide enough mana for Artoria to be able to use her full power because she was becoming the Grail?? Under normal circumstances, could Irisviel make Artoria use her full potential? Or only someone like Illya or Sakura could do it?? Would Rin have this problem too?
illya could support heracles no diff and even allow him to restore lost lives, something he can't do normally. I don't see why iri wouldn't be able to do the same. Rin is stated to be able to use artoria at full power unlike kiritsugu and shirou
@@guesswho8556 thanks for the answers I was just wondering about Iri because I remember there is a scene in UBW's where the homunculu in a blood pool tell Illya that she is the result of 1,000 years of advances in how to make homunculus and that she is a miracle that can never be replicated again
@@guesswho8556 Iri wouldn't be able to do the same because she explicitly can't. Illya is the masterpiece of the Einzbern, she's completely superior as a master to her mother. The entire point of the FGO Zero Event is that Irisviel got perfected a generation earlier so she's essentially Illya in prowess, so they never contract Kiritsugu.
Beautiful Top, really complete and well built. I am convinced that Gilgamesh is stronger than Ozymandias, although I believe it would still be a wonderful and contentious match. A question. Since Salter while alive is =Alive Salter's Excalibur ... it doesn't mean that Rho Aias + Bellerophon is superior to Servant Gil's EA? Because Servant Gil's Ea is quite weaker than alive EA. Quite long-winded and repetitive question but I'm in a hurry so I couldn't write better. Anyway I say it again, wonderful top
Servant Gilgamesh is considerably stronger than stay night salter, and Bellerophon + rho aias barely defeated excalibur. It's true that Medusa's Mystic eyes were still weakening salter, so the of that wasn't the case excalibur would have won.
@@guesswho8556 In her profile it is said that she surpassed the strength she had when she was alive. It is said that she has now "incarnated" and has a physical body. Since she has Sakura as her master I believe she has access to the same amount of mana she would have had in life
@@guesswho8556 If Salter of stay night isn't as strong as Alive Salter then surely Gilgamesh beats her and the strength of Rho Aias + Bellerophon (including Medusa's eyes) would make more sense. It would be enough for me to have confirmation that the Salter of Stay night IS NOT like Alive Salter
@@thehunter2093 her material says she is stronger than her alive counterpart "in a sense". Her raw power is obviously weaker. Servant gil is confirmed to be the strongest stay night character whereas ALIVE Artoria's firepower rivals ALIVE Gil's power during the age of gods.
Dont remember anywhere being stated that pashupata takes longer to charge. In extella link it was never directly mentioned. Since karna had more mana than usual he took the initiative with back to back attacks and then used his np before arjuna had the chance to prepare his. At that point he ddnt even try to invoke his np. You have to give a more conclusive point to back your statement regarding his np. Unless you find a more direct quote rather than speculations. Anyways i would personally put Arjuna and achilles higher than artoria.
@@guesswho8556 i am not denying that. What i am trying to say is when karna was about to fire his np all Arjuna said was "i cant make it in time". This is where the speculations arises. Was arjuna trying to use his np whilst saying that? Was he overwhelmed by karnas back to back attacks that he was not able to react to his np in time? etc. The scene in no way portrays or directly confirmed pashupata being slow to unleash. This was my point. If you have any other sources to back up your claim then i'd be intrested to hear. Regarding charles. I remember he was able to fire his np in time bcz it was arjuna fighting karna in a 1v1 situation so obviously charles could plan his intervention in time.
@@bluemoon9683 He had been charging it since when karna starts charging a 2nd time arjuna says "Not a chance! My NP is already ready". When he fired Pashupata in the 5th singularity he also said "calculating amount of time needed for magical energy convergence. Countdown" And then explains the party that they need to move out of the way so that Pashupata doesn't hit them. In both versions it is shown that Pashupata takes a decent time to charge, in FGO even having a countdown. Whether this amount of time is bigger than karna without rex magnus's support it's not 100% clear, but 1 thing is absolutely undeniable. Charlemagne can deploy his NP way faster than arjuna and if you had the 2 of them fire their NPs at one another arjuna would get one shotted. All Rex Magnus was doing was give karna extra mana, and having more mana has never made the amount of time it takes you to charge the attack shorter. If by any chance Karna and Arjuna were truly equals it would just make Karna weaker than the likes of Charlemagne or Scathach, not Arjuna stronger than Achilles, Iskandar, or Artoria.
@@guesswho8556 That does not refute my original point. He was charging his pashupata against karna's 2nd VS. BUT in karna's first VS theres no evidence. Thus you cant use extella link as a basis for your argument. Next up in the 5th singularity. Yes there is a countdown but lets be real against 28 demon pillars if the np was very slow to deploy as you mentioned then he'd get killed in the time it takes since you got 28 of them and they aint gonna be sitting around. There being a countdown does not imply that his np is very slow. There is no clear evidence in your argument.
@@bluemoon9683 ok, he may or may not have been charging, but Charlemagne still managed to fire. That places arjuna below the likes of Charlemagne, and Charlemagne didn't believe he could beat scathach 1v1. The same scathach that's weaker than rex magnus, who Charlemagne stated wouldn't be able to trap and brainwash artoria, who is also above Charlemagne. There's simply no argument for arjuna being any higher on this list. If anything, karna should be lower. The demon gods were being restrained by edison's and tesla's combined NPs.
@@diomitri4737 Scathach is not in the Throne of Heroes because she hasn't died, and thus cannot be summoned with any sort of ritual in the setting of a regular HGW. Charlemagne is a literal anomaly in Extella/Link that shouldn't exist. He can only potentially be summoned in the Moon Cell if Altera's proposal works. Again, not someone that can be summoned in a regular HGW.
Scathach is still alive and charlemagne is not a real heroic spirit. He is the mythological aspect of Karl der Grosse/Rex Magnus, who is the historical figure. Rex Magnus is a Ruler class servant, so he can't be summoned in a HGW either
I guess you didn't rank Sun-buffed Gawain because HGW battles take place at night. Honestly I expected Cu and Lancelot to be placed a lot higher, especially Cu, but it's true he doesn't live up to his hype, even in the extraverse, so I understand. I disagree with Karna being above Ozymandias. He may able to beat him (though the actual statement is merely that they have bad compatibility), but Ozymandias is just way more impressive. Dendera is arguably the strongest noble phantasm we've seen, given how it took Arthur's Excalibur, combined with a triple command spell boosted Stella to beat it, and even then it only lost due to Stella's concept that ends all conflicts. That's spastic firepower. He's unkillable in his temple on top of that. Was surprised to see EMIYA above Lu Bu, Tristan, Mordred and Gawain (Night). Don't really agree but considering what happened in the Fate route it can make some sense. That being said, Lu Bu was equaling Cu in CQC and was deemed strong enough to hold Sun Gawain off for a while (even got called on par with him by Karna, but that was a bit of an overestimation) so I do think he deserved a higher placement. I know nothing about Orion so I can't comment on him, but I thought he's supposed to be top-tier. Overall I liked the list. Well done.
That's right. I was going to rank him with sun buff while taking into account who can stall him and who can't, but then I realized mages only allow servants to fight servants at night. It didn't make sense considering this is a HGW scenario exclusive
@@gangstar9866 Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. I don't disagree with Karna being able to beat Ozy, since he's implied to be able to. However, the only reason for that is their bad compatibility. I view Ozy as the superior servant overall, and I think he'd perform better than Karna against pretty much everyone, even if he loses to Karna himself.
In the movie Mordred destroys the dendera cannon with just CBA. CBA which was blocked by switch on airgetlam, which was only slightly stronger than 1 swing from Gawain. A single trust from Karna maybe not even powered by Mana Burst would incapacitate the cannon. The armor true name release blocks everything ozy throws at him, and he just nukes the temple from the inside with vasavi shakti. Considering the attribute advantage pulling out this should be easier than it seems at first glance. lu bu's NP doesn't have any feats, and in Septem he and spartacus were turned to dust just from being close to teardrop photon ray (it didn't even hit them directly since it was blocked by mash and boudica). If we ever see lu bu with god force doing something I'll rank him higher. Orion is weaker than penthesilea without her rage boost
Question: 1. Isn't Arash's placement too high, because as you said he is quite skilled in cqc and when the opponent is too strong he would just use Stella, but wouldn't that then be a draw? Since he dies when he uses his NP. As for my 2nd question, why didn't you include Solomon with 1 Ring? He is a normal summonable Servant just like any other and on top of that he won a HGW. Moreover didn't Roman said something like his Rings are the best catalyst in a HGW and that he would be the best option in a HGW(iirc)?
1) He dies but he still suceeded overpowering an opponent. There's a difference between a mutual kill because the 2 fighters had equal strength, speed, and skill and 1 character getting completely owned by another one who just dies after using the attack. The end result is technically the same, but it still shows a discrepancy in power which is carried to this list
2) I thought I had replied to this already but it seems not. Solomon has NO RINGS when summoned normally. The same way artoria isn't listed with Avalon, her catalyst, solomon being summoned doesn't imply he has any rings while fighting. He could have been summoned with another object or their master simply refused to return it to solomon like kiritsugu did in zero. Since Ringless solomon has no feats, he isn't listed. If Solomon was listed with 1 ring he COULD be number 1. Dr Roman said the rings of solomon are the best catalyst you can possibly use in a HGW. At the very least that makes solomon the best choice to summon in that specific setting even if he wasn't the most powerful in 1v1 combat
Is Arash really that strong or is up there just cause of his self sacrifice noble phantasm? Cause it is really strong but if it's only that it shouldn't really count since he would perish along with the enemy
Ngl, I really enjoyed this list. Obviously I think Iskandar should be ranked lower, but not by much. I was wondering how you were gonna handle this, in the sense of how a servants mana consumption is, but I guess that would make the list to complicated so it's best to go with full power.
nine lives doesn't seem to be as strong as excalibur in a frontal clash, and the pelt is useless against a divine construct, so alcides beating artoria in a frontal clash seems pretty unlikely. However, considering he can resurrect once, he would likely get to use Reincarnation Pandora and settle the match. Pale Rider would be higher than alcides but below Gilgamesh
Quick question, why is Saber #4 and Achilles #5? She isn't divine and therefore couldn't harm him as long as his heel doesn't get struck and one of his many noble phantasms that being Amaranth of the Brave remains in effect. Is Excalibur divine because I always thought it was holy and the two concepts are different.
@@guesswho8556 wtf do you mean by that? AK can stop Anti-Fortress and Anti-Country NPs lol, Achilles wouldn't even take a scratch. Saber is never beating him. all he has to do is ram her down with his chariot which is way too fast for Artoria or just use AK to stop Excalibur which is her only means of hurting him. and Saber won't be spamming Excaliburs in a regular hg war. Achilles is way too much for non divine servants, not to mention the massive speed difference
I reduced the number of questions. Sorry, but I have a few questions: 1) Is Heracles stronger than Kojiro now? after all, he is weaker than Yagyu (NP), (and in the CQC, on the contrary, Sasaki> Yagyu), and Yagyu (NP) is weaker than Heracles? I always thought that these three (Sasaki, Musashi, Yagyu) are stronger than Hercules? 2) Are Achilles and Arturia interchangeable? 3) Doesn't it say that Siegfried's Mastery is slightly worse than Karna's, does that mean Achilles=Karna>=Siegfried? 4) Why is there no Avicebron in the top? He will be quite tall. 5) What are you planning for the next top?
Karna being slightly more skilled does not mean he is stronger. Siegfried is still more durable. They both have their own strengths and weaknesses. The narrator states they are on par
@@СанжарЖагупаров-м6т Well the thing is….. Even if Sasaki, Musashi, and Yagyu work together to defeat Hercules, that fight will be an unholy stomp that will only end up Hercules killing the three swordsmen or Hercules forcing the three swordsmen to run away. This has been the case since FSN with Sasaki. The only reason why Sasaki was able to push herc back was because of terrain advantage + MASSIVE boost from Medea’s reinforcement. Sasaki cannot do the same without those advantages
I'm curious about Achilles since he doesnt have any NP anti fortress he cant beat gilles de rais's gigantic horror yes ? or i missing somethings actually he's like iskandar overall stronger than gilles de rais
It is stated that it takes either A rank Artoria or an EX NP to kill Herc 12 times. Being as strong as artoria/altera and having an EX NP Iskandar should definitely be able to beat heracles. EVEN IF he couldn't, he is overall superior.
You also have to consider that there are several soldiers in iskandar's army that are stronger than iskandar himself, and that iskandar is already an altera level fighter in CQC. Altera being the ice bitch queen that defeated SUN Gawain/Karna/Cu Chulainn in CQC. Even Cu Alter POISONED by semiramis could kill SEVERAL TIMES Heracles without any of his Noble Phantasms. On top of his army, Iskandar also has his chariot which almost blitzed artoria.
1.enkidu- stated to be equal to gilgamesh who is the strongest servant able to be summoned in a grail war 2.karna- one of the 7 top servants with scathach in extra and one of the top strongest in power of the 7 higher then scathach 3scatach- she is not a divine spirit she has no divine origin of abilities she is just assigned the land of shadows 4.cu- stated to be the best defensive fighter in all of extella and equal in combat to sun gawain lubu karna and seigfried 5.brynhild- stated to be equal with arthur but lost to seigfried with the help of ritsuka while she had sigurd who is equal to siegfried 6.rumolus- has a strong spear but lacks feats and was defeated by nero and mash with a few help 7.inshun-is as powerful as yagyu in combat but lacks any offensive NP or large attack 8.nagao-could not beat someone who was rival to oryou and sakamoto who got beat by nobu 9.hector-has base states equal to achilles and a NP strong enough to rival pent who could match megalos 10. Had CQC power above cu lubu and a few others who are stronger then orion 11.caenis-weaker then even orion who got no diff by pent
Semiramis can't use the hanging gardens normally. Siegfried is just as strong as Gawain under the sun but without a time limit, so since it's confirmed gawain under sun > Cu, Siegfried is overall stronger than Cu.
Addressing Servants in anything but the most general of "high level/low level" terms is an exercise in futility. Lists like this engage in such an amount of weird logic that it is hard to describe it sometimes, beyond just sighing at it.
It is not an exercise in futility since the characters ranked themselves in-universe as well. The top servants are literally stated to be the 7 BEST and STRONGEST servants in the moon cell, and among the 7 top servants some are considered weak while others are considered strong. There are also numerous statements saying servant A is as POWERFUL as servant B. I honestly don't follow your logic. I'm not making power levels up. All this stuff is already stated. I simply took all the info we have and ranked the characters accordingly.
@@guesswho8556 Extella shows irregularities all over the place, depending on whose path you take and who's the protagonist. Taking those things at face value even when it causes dissonance with other titles and actual events seems pretty futile to me. You are essentially doing the equivalent of making power levels up, though. Unless your name is Gilgamesh or Ozymandias, where you can showcase immense power and ability in most situations, Servants have never been so straightforward that a defined ranking of exact numbers makes any sense. Such rigidity in a series that lives by compatibility is especially silly. Many of your comments scattered around here only reinforce this fact.
@@MajorLawliet what irregularities does EXTELLA show? The main story has no contradictions. You don't need to be ozymandias or gilgamesh to have a concrete power level. Artoria, Achilles, heracles, Altera, Iskandar, hector, chiron, Gawain and pretty much everyone else has concrete scaling to draw from. The amount of fights that are decided by compatibility is 1%.
@@guesswho8556 So we treat the sidestories as non-existent? Because then, we go from Gilgamesh being defeated by the likes of Nero in her own route, to defeating any of the girls in another while narration goes on that the Regalia can't even compare to him, or Saber defeated without too much issue by Gilgamesh elsewhere, only for both him and Iskander to be repelled by her without indication of it is a hard battle. This has nothing to do with power levels. My entire point is that most of these people fluctuate a lot depending who they are fighting unless there's a very clear, if not outright massive, difference in power. Servants that show amazing results no matter the situation, no matter the opponent are the rare ones. You are genuinely crazy, or ignoring the very series you claim to use the statements of, if you think compatibility decides things "1%".
@@MajorLawliet nero doesn't beat gilgamesh in the main story. at the very least I'm pretty sure there isn't a single voice line addressing that fact. It's not like all servants are going all out at any given time. Taking out Gilgamesh and iskandar by surprise when they are chilling having a beer and they aren't even shown or stated to have used any of their NPs is not a contradiction. In case you DO find contradictions, there's something called CONSISTENCY you can use to set apart the bs from what is not. In the extraverse there's a very clear scaling tierlist. There are characters that EMIYA/Nero/Tamamo can defeat without going all out (aka drake, robin hood, etc), and then there are servants that are so strong even with their NPs they'd need extra buffs to win against (aka li shuwen/cu/lu bu,...) Then there are the Top servants which are the 7 strongest servants surpassing everyone else. Among those gil is the strongest, and jeanne the weakest. Iskandar would be equal to altera if he was in his prime, but since he is rusty he is weaker. Nero/Tamamo buffed by the Moon Crux are stronger than usual and can defeat rusty iskandar or li shuwen high diff whereas that wouldn't happen normally. Overall, there's a pretty straightforward scale. Name me all those cases where I disregarded compatibility. The list is pretty straight forward and there are many feats and statements backing it up. "Compatibility" is a very bad scapegoat to disregard all the lore and feats showing how strong a servant is OVERALL/on average,
Hello, I know I have already written questions, but after watching the video, I have new ones: 1) Why are Suzuka and Ushi-Gozen stronger than Siegfried, Lancelot and Cu Chulainn, I read your comment, but be stronger than a few Mordred -level servants is reason enough, to put them above them? Compared to Gawain(Night), Suzuka(3 NP) and Ushi-Gozen, they can be stronger than him, but Siegfried, Lancelot and Cu Chulainn are also 3 times stronger than such Gawain. 2)Why is there no Avicebrone in the top, could it be higher or immediately below Richard?
It took Kintoki + shuten + Ushiwakamaru + Benkei + Fuuma Kotarou + Mash Kyrielight to defeat Ushi gozen. I don't about any feats remotely implying siegfried could handle that many servants at once. kintoki and shuten on their own are already mordred level, and benkei and ushiwakamaru are A rank servants as well.
@@guesswho8556 Siegfried is equal to Cu Chulainn, and Cu Chulainn(Weakened) could speed blitz Emiya, who is higher than Mordred in your top. Which prevents Siegfried, Lancelot and Cu Chulainn from also speed blitzing Kintoki, Ushiwakamaru, Shuten, Mash, Benkei and Kotarou?
@@СанжарЖагупаров-м6т cu never speed blitzed emiya. emiya just couldn't follow his spear with his eyes. if emiya had help he could fight cu no problem since the amount of blows aimed at him would be less. emiya barely defeating mordred because he has good versatily and powerful projections doesn't mean mordred can't see cu moving his spear either. mordred is faster than emiya, and her reflexes are even better. As I said, seigfried is not beating 4 mordred tier servants + kotarou & mash
I remember it's being stated in SF that Enkidu gathered the mana of the whole planet to match Gil's Ea. Is it just an exaggeration or servant Gil, whose np is supposed to be restricted is that powerful?
@@charles3519 it is heavily implied in the fgo x apocryphal event that chiron with antares snipe would one shot atalanta in her agrius metamorphosis form
1) Can't Lancelot be able to repel Balmung's blow, because this is also a wave (aka Excalibur-Galatine), and armor will not protect against NP, because his rank may be higher than A (Anti-dragon), so the attack may not be E rank, but higher. 2) Emiya must be higher than Hector, because if he could kill Hercules 6 times, then he can kill Hector. Ro Ayas must protect from Durindana. Emiya has a better chance of winning. 3)Richard could be taller than Dracula due to Excalibur's spam. 4) Isn't Yagyu stronger than Heracles, because Yagyu(NP)>=LB1 Musashi(NP)>Musashi(NP)=Sasaki(NP)>Heracles, although they can't kill him 12 times, but in general they are stronger than Heracles.
1) balmung doesn't have the same shity feats as excalibur galatine. balmung can still block 11 EX Anti Army beams from semiramis or brahmastra kundala. It does get weaker the further away you are, but not to the sam extent as excalibur galatine. Armor of Fafnir nullifies a B+ value of any NP. If it has then anti dragon buff, the damage reduction is B rank isntead. Arongight Overload would be reduced to an E rank attack. 2) EMIYA can't see WEAKENED cu moving. Hector is faster than FULL POWER Cu. 3) We don't know that. It's certainly a possibility. 4) Heracles is stronger than all of them
@@guesswho8556 Sorry for answering so late 1) When using Arondight-Overload, won't the "+ modifier" be taken into account when fighting Siegfried, so instead of A it will be an A+ rank attack? Also, is Lancelot's regular attacks more effective than his NP? 2) Emiya could keep up with Heracles when he killed him, and thanks to Nine Lives and Triple-Linked Crane Wings, he will defeat Hector in CQC. If things get tough, he can use Excalibur-Image to win. 3) I agree with you, it just seems to me that Dracula will not react to spam, he could react to Achilles' blows, but there he had no glory and, accordingly, he was slower, so Dracula (No Fame) may not react to Richard. 4) He's not stronger than them, they just can't kill him 12 times, Iskander can't either, but he's taller.
@@СанжарЖагупаров-м6т 1) Arondight overload is ranked A, and thus will be reduced to an E rank NP. I don't know what + you are talking about. 2) EMIYA is so slow he can't see WEAKENED Cu moving. He stands no chance against hector. Weakened heracles would have killed shirou had he not stopped himself at the very last moment after seeing illya. WEAKENED Cu is the fastest stay night character, so even if they uses nine lives against him he'd still be fast enough to kill EMIYA. the same applies to hector. 4) there isn't any evidence herackes can't kill yagyuu.
@@guesswho8556 1)I mean Lancelot's Normal Strikes, his strength parameter is B, with Arondight strength A, with Knight of the Lake Skill A+, Lancelot's attack will be higher than E-rank. 2)I lost. However, then I have another question, why is Diarmuid not in this top? 4)I never said that Heracles can't kill them, he just survives them, because they can't kill him 12 times. But in general they are stronger than him. Since even Sasaki (Assassin) could kill and keep up with Heracles, then Yagyu, Musashi and Sasaki (Saber) should be higher. All Heracles has against them is the Hand of God.
@@СанжарЖагупаров-м6т The knight of the lake skill is activated at random, and not even in his strength stat necesarily. You are also assuming lancelot gets to strike seigfried in the first place, which he couldn't do against the equally powerful gawain. assassin sasaki couldn't keep up with heracles. He was buffed by medea and had a high advantage, whereas heracles was nerfed by medea's barriers.
Achilles only has AK that can oppose Excalibur and even then if we go off the fact that Vasavi Shakti after already clashing with command seal boosted Balmung was able to destroy AK and still leak out. Excalibur should be able to destroy AK, Achilles will only have a small window to attack her and that's if she isn't able to defend herself which is unlike. In terms of Combat she is shown to absolutely decimate Charlemagne who is on par with Karna, they state that Karna and Achilles are on par with each other in the case of cqc. A Salter who is significantly slower than regular Artoria and was further nerfed by Medusa's Mystic eyes was still having no problem keeping up with her.
Hello Friend how are you You could also make a top of the strongest servants in avalon le fay (losbelt 6) since from what we see there are many powerful servants there, it's just an opinion :)
@@blacksheep173 super orion is fodder. He was defeated by Penthesilea with no rage boost 1v1. Scathach can't be summoned in a Holy Grail War because she isn't dead
@@mr.gamersystemthundergod3012 If you go by Nasu's comment, living Artoria is Living Gil's equal, with Gil having some advantage due to versatility. Is harder to transplant that to Servant versions because Nasu actually accounts for masters. But adding masters in, at least for Saber Alter: Good master, it favors Alter. Master that Gilgamesh can trust/depend on, it favors Gil. But Saber Alter doesn't have Avalon, so, yeah.
Arjuna>Iskander, remember that a single arrow can destroy terrains and he was able to pin down Culter who is like one of the physically strongest servants out there, Arjuna's interlude(1st one) shows that he can use Pashupata without charging, just saying. you also forgt lots of strong servants like Beowolf, Nightingale, Kintoki and Diarmuid
First of all, the manga is not a good place to get feats. By that logic Martha and Herc with just 1 life would clap excalibur morgan away. Second of all, whether the amount of time it takes Pashupata to charge SEEMS long or not is irrelevant. A character moving at the speed of sound might seem like they're teleporting from my human perspective, whereas they would be moving at slow motion from the perspective of someone who moves at Light Speed. The important fact is how long that amount of time is COMPARED to other Top Servants. Via Expugnatio powered by a 2nd rate master almost killed Artoria. Arjuna stands no chance. His arrows destroying large terrains doesn't mean it can cause much damage to IH. Those arrows were being casually blocked by Scathach. By your logic scathach with just a couple of thrusts solos Iskandar.
@@guesswho8556 you are joining way too many dots here and not in a good way. Scatach solos Iskander anyway lol, comparing casual arrows with a true name released NP lmao good luck. the fgo manga is an official work, more canon than any assumptions you've made. and you are still evading the arjuna interlude part and i am pretty sure you've included a lot of interlude feats in your channel
@@altimus2225 you didn't read my comment. The time it takes to fire an NP depends on the scene and how it is portrayed. The Lion King's holy judgement nuked a city in less than a second in a flashback, but later on it takes like 5 minutes to hit the ground before arash blocks it. That's because the flashback is framed from a human perspective, whereas the 2nd one is portrayed from the servant's point of view who are way faster. The same applies here. The interlude DOESN'T prove the amount of time it takes arjuna to fire is SHORTER than that of Charlemagne or karna since there is no point of reference to draw such conclusion. Don't blame me for comparing single arrows to NP True Name Release. You were the one who brought up that a single arrow can destroy large terrains. The same arrows that were casually blocked by scathach. Even Agni Gandiva was blocked by karna's brahmastra, which gawain could block with a single swing of his sword no NP activated. And the manga can be disregarded entirely since it contradicts itself numerous times. Mash blocked Excalibur morgan with lord chaldeas but she couldn't block tarasque later on. Tarasque being way weaker than fafnir, who is stated to be weaker than herc the first time they meet him, despite not even knowing herc has 12 lives. The demon god pillar in okeanos was also stated to be the strongest enemy thus far. By the manga's logic, 1 demon god pilla > herc (1 life) > fafnir > tarasque > lord chaldeas > excalibur morgan. Bringing up feats from such a circus to try and debunk something that was directly written and or supervised by nasu is retarded.
@@guesswho8556 soo where did you get that source and you misplaced alot of servants from weak to strong you are changing all the time the stats and definitely orion should be higher common its his strengths in overall that made hin grand
@@versraid11 I didn't missplace anyone. If a character isn't ranked higher that's because the characters above them have better feats and statements. Super Orion being a grand candidate is irrelvant in this list because Grand Servants can't be summoned as such in a HGW. As a regular servant orion is fodder and he was beaten by Penthesilea in the FGO Amazoness com event.
@@guesswho8556 it was an event like joke event in events even strongest will lose, where is he a fodder his skills speaks otherwise and i tould you those skills made him grand, the title grand is special not everyone can have it just the strongest will have like solomon and hassan didn't have the grand title when he fought tiamat but he was the most who did the damage without him non would scratch her
And the super orion that we got as summon able servant is not grand but his stats speak for itself and in fgo story every thing can change or in any fgo don't take all of them seriously if they dont fight a death battle
Mori nagayoshi doesn't have his armor when summoned normally, so he'd be considerably weaker than in Type Rdeline or GUDAGUDA. He got completely owned by OLD ASSASSIN Li (Arguably the weakest version of Li) and he couldn't tag Cu Chulainn without Nobunaga's help. For all these reasons, he doesn't make it to the Top 40. Okada is fodder. Li Shuwen defeated him with 1 punch. Oryou, who is weaker than Hijikita, could also block okada's sword with a single hand. Okada would be even lower.
@@guesswho8556 ye i understand but i wanted to know where would u put these 2 here cuz i saw their skill and NP but in ur vid there is characters like suzuka or altera (actually a lot of characters in extra ccc/extella lol) i dont really know, but ur comments about their feats are pretty nice and helpful so just about Ashwatthaman (my bro) do u have an idea where he could be in this list even if lostbelt servant are complicated thanks!!
@@blacksheep173 ashwatthama is as strong or stronger than Karna in CQC. He was defeated by Rama + Jinako + Mash. He never used his NPs so we don't know how he compares to Karna with his full arsenal. He could be as strong or way weaker. We don't know. Kintoki + Tamamo couldn't beat Tesla. We don't know Kintoki compares to the people below Tesla 1v1.
This nonsense. Cu vs gilgamesh : the fight lasted 12 hours and only after that gilgamesh won. Yet cu is 17 and gilgamesh is 1. Cu vs karna: both version of gaebolg would kill karna. The thrust one would destroy karna heart and the throws one would aim at karna heart and penetrate his armor how you ask? The throw version can lock on up to 50 targets at the time and create copy for each target. But when there is only one target all that power is focused on it. Kavancha and kundala reduce external threats to 1/10 of their effectiveness. 50 × 1/10=5 . Which mean gaebolg would still have enough power to kill karna. What is more cu have rune able to block a great noble phantasm. I dont remember seeing it in action but it should allow him to defend against karna fire type noble phantasm. In case vasavi shakti is used it would be a double ko. Yet cu is 17 and karna 2. Cu vs ozymandias: dunno much about ozy but given that cu can take on the others he should be able to compete here too though depending on their respective skills set compatibility it could go either way. Yet cu is 17 and ozy 3. Cu vs saber: could go either way cu can spam gae bolg trust version 7 times in a row until it hit Saber heart and all those wounds are just going to stack since they are hard to heal from. If she have avalon she can just avoid the damage . Yet Saber is 4 and cu is 17. Cu vs Arash and Arjuna: this must be a joke . Protection against arrows no sell all their regular attack and wheb cu get close enough it's game over for them. Cu vs altera: you said he ran away from her yet he didn't against gilgamesh and lasted 12 hours against him . Cu vs iskandar : how would via expunatio protect iskandar against gae bolg ? The trust would destroy his heart and the throw would wreck his heart too. Ioian Hetaroi you said ? Who is going to fall for that slow attack ? Remember cu have disengage so he can just bail out and have iskandar waste his mana. Even should cu be trapped inside what about it ? Iskandar is still unprotected against gaebolg. Cu can fight the army still the it ran out of mana. Yet cu is 17 and iskandar 6 Cu vs yagyu: what kind of defense does yagyu have to offer against gaebolg ? His attacks are limited to the range of his katana which is less than gaebolg range . Can he deal with cu using fire rune ? Cu vs Heracles: we know cu fought all servant even with the command spell preventing him to go for the kill. He can also increase the rank of his np to A rank. Would Heracles adapt to all of cu offense capabilities and become immune before dying maybe maybe not. Yet cu is 17 . Cu vs gozen and suzuka: just like with yagyu what defense do they bring against gaebolg ? Nothing. Protection from arrows block all of gozen arrow and suzuka rain of sword. Again he faced Gilgamesh for 12 hours yet he is 17. Cu vs Achille : gaebolg would just lock onto Achilles an destroy his heart both version would. Achille movement speed is quite something but not enough to allow him to get away from gaebolg. His shield will be of no use against the trust version of gaebolg. The chariot isnt gonna help since cu can just jump to the side in order to dodge . Doesnt mean cu stomp Achille its just to show how much you underestimated him.
As much as I find this list dumb, your comment also has a bunch of weird nonsense. Gae Bolg merely reverses causality, not create it. If Cu wants to stab the heart, it must be possible for him to stab it in the first place. Unless his spear could pierce through, there's nothing to reverse so Thrust Gae Bolg would be useless. You also completely made up this nonsense that the thrown version can divide and lock on to new targets. The spearhead can simply split up, but the power remains that of a single B+ NP. You are making up some very wild shit.
@@MajorLawliet ???? Gaebolg reverse causality . Normally it would be something like this : Cu trust Gaebolg Gaebolg pierce your heart You die With the reverse causality it become : Your heart is destroyed Cu trust Gaebolg You die Which mean even tough the trust wont be able to penetrate karna armor his heart will still be destroyed. That is why its such a dangerous ability . As for the fact gaebolg divide when thrown against several opponents that is literally what it does. You can watch summer scathach noble phantasm for demonstration or read the wiki about it.
@@notforyou2893 Reread what you just said. Your very own example. "Cu trust Gaebolg Gaebolg pierce your heart You die" Gae Bolg works because it reverses causality. It doesn't _control_ causality. If "Gae Bolg pierced the heart" is an impossible event in the first place, how do you reverse it into becoming the cause? That's like saying a character in a TRPG wants to make his attack unavoidable, but he can't even make an attack in the first place. Why do you think the Cu vs Herc comparison by Nasu has "use Runes to bring rank up by one" as one of the prerequisites for a win? Have _you_ read about her NP? It literally has the same name as her Lancer version's NP, yet the material book description outright says "but no, this does it's thing differently". It having Gae Bolg in the name doesn't make it the same and that's dumb logic. Even if you wanted to argue that's what Gae Bolg does, that's a fat lie. It separating into different spears is nowhere in Original Fate, and is only mentioned as an element of the myths and in one of the mats. You only ever see it in EXTELLA, and there's no multiple spears. It just sprouts a bunch of extra spearheads like branches. Not to mention they don't lock on to shit, that's explicitly said when used in Stay Night. It's unavoidable because it is too fast.
@@MajorLawliet That is not how the thrust version of gaebolg work is it? In term of destructive power the thrust version is not more powerful than a regular strike . If we follow your logic that mean wearing any form of armor would protect anyone from the thrust version of gaebolg because the tip of the spear wouldn't be able to break through it. Which would imply that even without her luck interference gaebolg would have failed since her armor would have prevented the head of the spear to wound her. Excep cu should know about his own noble phantasm effects. If he went through using it that mean had saber failed the luck check she would have died even with that armor. Therfore it should also work on karna since his armor kavancha and kundala doesnt protect his body from internal attack such as gaebolg destroying the heart. For the throw version of gaebolg it seem like i jinxed summer scathach and cu . Essentially it does the same thing which is separate itselt to reach their enemies . However cu spear head act as a tree branch split stretch itself to kill while scathach created multiple copy of itself. Also cu throw version of gaebolg does lock on the target heart. That is what archer said . If it didnt then just having high agility would allow one to dodge it since it would just be an object thrown at the target.
If regular EMIYA is actually considered a B rank servant as well I'd like to meet the person who determined chiron is "a really powerful A rank servant". I'd also like to know how can someone beat Herc 6 times consecutively and not be an A rank servant.
@@guesswho8556 because he literally lose against every servant in fate ? Saber: nearly decapitated him with just z single strike at the start of the fate route. Hadn't rin teleported him away with a command spell he would have died. In ubw despite being weakened by caster shenanigans she still hold her own against him despite barely having the strength to stand . She also reacted to his sword throw at shirou and pushed him aside. Whe she form a contract with rin she folded him in one strike. No archer wasn't mana deprived since probably used a lot of caster mana to heal after cu clap him and took enough to fight + his independent action skill. Lancer: the first fight lancer would have killed him if not for the command spell preventing him to do so. Hell he would have killed archer with gaebolg had shirou not interrupted them. Their second fight at the church was a one sided beating . If cu wanted he could have ended archer after the rhos ais gaebolg clash. He didn't because he understood archer intention toward caster. Rider: when she got a master who feed her magical energy she folded him and he would have turned into stone had rider not stopped for reasons you know. Caster: would have killed archer the night they first meet had she not got cocky and blasted him with her beam after she immobilized him. Yes he end up killing her with a sneak attack coordinated when she hadn't yet recovered from rin previous attack and by attacking souichirou so that she would have no choice but to shield him with her body. Kojirou: well archer isnt walking out of that fight alive without some thick plot armor. He does have a chance at long range more so because kojiro cant move from the entrance. Cursed arm: isnt the type to fight head on as he is well an assassin. Archer is stronger here in an front battle but should cursed arm have an opportunity to sneak attack archer wouldnt survive. If cu couldn't how would he ? Berserker : archer straight up died fighting him. He took quite the number of life . It would be impressive if the writer bothered to tell us how archer pulled this BS.
@@notforyou2893 1) It's stated EMIYA was shocked artoria was there, and that if that wasn't the case he'd actually have put up a fight. And all that without taking into account UBW. 2) Not reacting to the fastest servant in stay night doesn't make you a B rank servant. 3) Having low mana doesn't make you a B rank servant 4) Medea didn't get cocky. EMIYA defeated her fair and square. And he wasn't going all out either. 5) EMIYA fought sasaki for an entire night despite sasaki having a high advantage and support from medea's spells. I don't know how your brain works to equate that to EMIYA being weaker than sasaki
@@guesswho8556 what ? Saber clapped archer on their first battle if you want to call it that. You say he was surprised ? How about the fight at the church after archer sneaky attack took out caster . He was unable to finish Saber when she was barely standing. When she got mana from rin she clapped him again. In one blow he was on his knee. Also ubw is such a big deal ? I remember shirou dodging all of archer sword in there. So shirou is faster than Saber now ? Lancer: clapped archer anyday of the week. Saber can keep up with Lancer yet you put gawain who have similar parameters at night below archer ? What ? Rider: was already folding archer in cqc her eyes was just the finishing blow. Also gawain wouldn't be overpowered by rider at night (at least not as much as archer) nor would her eye affect as much as it did to archer yet archer is above. Yeah Caster: immobilized archer for a good 10 seconds instead of finishing him off she start to talking down on him . What is that if not being cocky? Also archer took caster out fair and square ? He literally wait for caster to be busy with rin after surrendering to Lancer he run and attack before caster could recover. Who does archer attack ? Caster nope kuzuki because he bet on caster love for kuzuki and it paid off. She jump in front of the blades to save kuzuki. Despite being wounded in high heel not that fast in the first place she still managed to stop archer sneak attack. Peak fair and square. By archer own word to Lancer that Trojan horse he pulled on caster was his best chance at to defeat caster . So fair. Kojiro: wasnt receiving support from medea when he was fighting Saber and later archer. He only received it when apparently berserker tried to invade .
arthur cannot be summoned in a normal holy grail war since he belongs to a very specific timeline. I'm not including multiple versions of one character either.
@@guesswho8556 Isn't karna immortal and when vlad transformed into that form not even his master could control him then later when karna was fighting siegfried didnt he manage better feats than him and sieg was using command spells and using achilles np also raikou has a np that can take more than 1 life from herc, raikou is stronger because she can do better feats than vlad from what ive seen
I thought I wouldn't comment on this because you and I have a history of disagreement on various ranking videos and posts but I'd just say 1) placing Chiron down below that much and 2) Kagetora below Nobunaga 3) Not giving Scathach Ashwathamma and Merlin ( three nigh immortals of fgo) a rank in top 10 should be considered offensive by many. 😅
1) lostbelt chiron even as a centaur and a divine spirit and buffed by zeus kilornomia couldn't defeat achilles at 30% speed without any of his NPs. Regular chiron is not defeating anyone above him on the list. 2) kagetora said she has no chance at defeating shibata 1v1 even with her Noble Phantasm. Oryou just said shibata would give her some trouble if they fought. This places ryouma and nobunaga above kagetora. 3) merlin and scathach can't be summoned in a regular holy grail war. Ashwatthama lacks feats to be ranked accurately.
@@guesswho8556 as far as I remember Achilles with injured heel lost to lb Chiron twice ( first time just retreats) when fighting alone. Only with the team ie with Mash and Jason Chiron was finally defeated. And even though Kagetora said that against Shibata it wouldn't matter in the end because 1) Kagetora didn't use her np on him 2) Neither could Mori or Nobu could defeat him ( only Hideyoshi could one on one probably according to his historic feat). 3) Talking about historic feat Kagetora defeated Nobu's army fare and square. Scathach and Merlin I take back my claim. But Ash might not have many feats in fgo although he has many in the Mahabharata as Holmes and Da Vinci repeatedly admitted that he's as much a renowned and fearsome warrior as Karna and Arjuna were.
@@uselesshero.official chiron had help from a bunch of atlantis guards. All empowered by zeus klironomia and stated to be servant level. Chiron never fights achilles 1v1. Kagetora said that EVEN IF she used HER NOBLE PHANTASM against Shibata she would still lose. Nobu never makes any comment on how she'd fare against shibata 1v1 if she went all out, and ryouma being able to beat shibata mid diff proves she would beat him as well if she did.
@@guesswho8556 no Kagetora said even if I go all out I MIGHT not be able to beat Shibata. And even then because she defeated Nobu on field she is still HISTORICALLY stronger than Nobu or at least tied to Nobu. ' Antantis guards were empowered by Zeus klironomia'... Good cuz that means lb 5 Chiron alone is STRONGER than Achilles.
atalanta, diarmuid, beowulf, asterios, elizabeth bathory (not sure if she can be summoned normally), kintoki, tsuna, spartacus, agravain, and ushiwakamru. Agravain depends on whether he usually has access to Mad Enhancement or not. I just named them from the top of my head. That's not the order I would rank them in.
I was wondering where Diarmuid is, but I guess he didn't make it. Where would you place him if this list was longer or was he just barely weaker than top 40?
diarmuid could have been top 40. Depends on my mood. Still, that's only partially because people like sakata kintoki or beowulf don't have accurate scaling to draw from. the 2 of them are likely stronger than diarmuid with their respective full arsenals. They just don't have any concrete feats to prove it.
I get, that there just might be a ton or rock/paper/scissors situation. But this placements are cringe af. The pinned comment explanation is full of shit, didn't even bother to finish reading it. Closer to the start of the list, when I saw night Gawain placed above Nero, li and Lu Bu, I decided to pause and check the name of vid's author. Everything became clear.
@@guesswho8556 well, there are simply too many characters, who beat each other to make any kind of accurate top. But since you apperantly care for my opinion, here is a tierlist containing some of those characters. S would be Kagetora, who when going full power oneshoted Maxwell's demon, forcing Macuzu to revive it with a wish upon a grail. Nobu, who apperantly can revive after getting MEODPed, and take hits from Okita J, who herself oneshoted a lot of guda characters and wrestled with mhXX. A for Ozy and Dracula outside of hgob. B for Emiya, Artoria, Cu, Medusa C for Nero, sun Gawain, Lancelot. Gilgamesh
S Gilgamesh, Enkidu, Ozymandias, Karna, Artoria…. A Sun Gawain, Raikou, Siegfried, Lancelot B Medusa Hector Emiya C Nero, Francis Drake, Tamamo, Liz D Hans, Hassans, William Shakespeare
Siegfried : N°16 Strength: B/Endurance: A/Agility: B/Mana: C/Luck: E Skill : Dragon-Slayer A Rank: One of the special Skills possessed by those who brought down a member of the Dragon Kind. Drastically improves one’s offensive power and defensive power against Dragon Kinds. It can be said that this is not a talent given from heaven, but the very anecdote of killing a dragon having been changed into this Skill.This makes him a dangerous existence to any Servants with the dragon characteristics such as Artoria Pendragon. Disengage A Rank: The ability to either withdraw from combat or reset the state of affairs around oneself. Restores the condition of one’s techniques to their initial value while simultaneously, it forcibly releases some of the bad status ailments that were inflicted on them. Noble phantasm : Balmung Rank EX : Upon chanting "-O sword, Let thee be filled", he holds it above his head, and it begins to glow with an orange light. The jewel stores and preserves magic energy, True Ether from the Age of Gods, and releasing it causes it to emanate a twilight aura. The twilight swells around the sword and is released as a flash of light, a surging wave with the simple purpose of destruction. Armor of Fafnir Rank B+ : It requires attacks of A-rank and above to harm him, but attacks only register as damage only after the defensive values of an amount equal to B-rank are subtracted from them. All A-rank attacks are effectively reduced to E-rank attacks, meaning even qualifying blows directed towards vital points are rendered as minor scratches that can be healed by his Master at a quick rate. When facing Noble Phantasms, it gains defensive values equivalent to B+ rank, but the boost will not apply in the attack calculations if the attack is not used by a proper hero or the attack or Skill is imbued with the properties of "Anti-Dragon". Furthermore, given a case where he receives a blow while in a state of being purely "defenseless", defensive values also becomes equivalent to B+ rank. And in the case where he takes defensive action with Balmung to match the opponent's Noble Phantasm, the properties of the opposing enemy's Noble Phantasm will be further reduced. Analysis : - As strong as karna is CQC That mean any CQC fighters who doesn’t have the same specs (or highier) as Karna can’t keep up with Siegfried. Those spec being mastery of their weapon,tankyness,A rank strength. Karna parameters Strength: B/Endurance: C/Agility: A/Mana: B/Luck: D - Immune to anything that is B rank and below (Armor of Fafnir). - Anything that is A rank get reduced by B rank and become E rank (Armor of Fafnir). Despite being hit in the eye by Karna A rank spear attack it did nothing to Siegfried. - If it’s a A rank noble phantasm then it will be reduced by B+ rank and be cancelled. - Only A+ rank noble can work and that is on a case by case basis. - Balmung is as strong as Vasavi Shakti and not only the blue jewel on the sword contain true ether which allow Siegfried to use Balmung several times with just a small quantity of it. TLDR Balmung is Spammable and powerful. Suzuka gozen : N°15 Strength: D/Endurance: D/Agility: A/Mana: A/Luck: B Skill : Mystic Eyes Rank: B Cancelled by armor of fafnir Noble Phantasm: Love Explosion - Heavenly Demon Rain Rank: B+ Cancelled by armor of Fafnir. Blessing of Wisdom Rank: C Make her smart increase her swordmastership and tactic. Trichiliocosm Rank: EX Essentially she is able predict the future by processing all variables. Analysis : How can this make her stronger than Siegfried ? Minamoto no Raikou (Ushi Gozen) : N°14 Strength: A/ Endurance: B /Agility: D/Mana: A/Luck: C Skill : Mana burst lightning Rank :A Noble phantasm : Ox-King Storm Call - The Inescapable Net of Heaven Rank : A+ That is the combo she does in FGO. Analysis : She have A rank strenght but even if she managed to land an attack then what Siegfried would counter and she would take massive damage. Her mana burst is the same rank as Karna different in nature but if Karna can’t affect Siegfried with his why would she be able to ? Her noble phantasm is no match for Balmung . Yagyuu Tajima-no-Kami Munenori : N°13 Strength: B/Endurance: D/Agility: A++/Mana: E/Luck: B Skill : Shinkage-ryu: A++ : While possessing a skill that is above A rank, he also possesses sword techniques and resistance against mental attacks. He is the expert of the Shinkage-ryu who is unwavering and doubtless and sees Zen meditation as indispensable. Suigetsu B : One of the deepest levels of the Shinkage-ryu. To peer into those eyes right away without letting your guard down, that is the true form of Suigetsu. Bladeless State A : A secret elucidated by Yagyuu Sekishuusai, devised by the master swordsman, Kamiizumi Nobutsuna. For example, even without holding a blade, an expert of the Shinkage-ryu wins over an armed opponent. Noble phantasm : Peerless in Swordsmanship・Zen and the Sword as One (Kenjutsu Musou・Kenzen Ichinyo) Rank: A Analysis : His strength is only B rank and his noble phantasm is a powerful stroke. This allow him to beat Siegfried ? Vlad III : N°11 Strength:A/ Endurance:A/ Agility:C/ Mana:B/ Luck:E Skill : Bloodsucking A Rank: One of Vlad's vampiric abilities. He can turn others even servants into slaves by sucking their blood. The one who has their blood sucked enters a state of living in death, and usually obeys whoever sucked their blood. Also, since this counts not as an attack but rather a show of affection, it cannot be defended against even if you were to posses 'a body which rejects all attacks'. Shapeshift C Rank: One of Vlad's vampiric abilities. He can transform into mist, or countless bats. It's extremely useful while fighting at melee range, but not so much against attacks which cover a wide area. Battle Continuation A Rank: One of Vlad's vampiric abilities. He does not know when to give up. Can fight even after sustaining fatal wounds, his performance receiving no penalty regardless of the state of his body Analysis : Karna who fougth both Vlad and Siegfried still said Siegfried was the strongest opponent he faced in Apocrypha. Regardless of that statement Vlad doesn’t have enough power to kill Siegfried as his only way to deal damage is by punching/kicking/slashing and so on which isn’t gonna do anything against Siegfried. What is more a single Balmung would wipe out Vlad III. Gilles de Rai : N°10 Analysis : You are talking about the monster that was summoned right ? How is that monster supposed to resist Balmung which again is as powerful as Vasavi Shakti ? Arash : N°9 Strength: B /Endurance: A/ Agility: B+/ Mana: E/ Luck:D Skill : Robust Health EX Rank : A Skill that is made up of anecdotes of "not receiving a wound on the battlefield" and "never becoming sick even once since birth". It is also a composite Skill and includes Poison Resistance and a boost in stamina.Arash who is strongly endowed with the vestiges of the Age of Gods was born with especially robust health. END parameter is ranked up and attacks received have their damage reduced.Thanks to this skill, Arash is durable enough to survive a sneak attack of Lancelot Arondight Overload and despite it causing him great injuries, he was still able to climb up from the bottom of the valley to reach the Hassan village and fire his Noble Phantasm. Clairvoyance A Rank: For Arash, who has an A Rank in this Skill, one type of future sight (predicting the future) and even mind-reading is possible. No one is able to escape his insight and inception Noble phantasm : Stella Rank A : the "Ultimate Shot" that employs all of Arash's might. It is a maximum range, a long-range attack that literally "Divides the Earth", bringing an end to all kinds of strife. Its aggregate amount of pure energy is comparable to even an Anti-Fortress Noble Phantasm. In exchange for this great power, this Noble Phantasms can only be employed once for its usage always results in Arash's death, simultaneously destroying him and the Noble Phantasm, and in a sense, it is a "Double Broken Phantasm" Analysis : His B rank strength won’t work and even Stella isn’t going to work as an A rank noble phantasm used by a proper Hero get reduced by B+. How is Arash gonna win against Siegfried ?
HERACLES : N°8 Strength: A+/ Endurance: A/ Agility: A/ Mana:A/ Luck:B Skill : Battle Continuation A Rank: A skill that allows for the continuation of combat after sustaining mortal wounds. It will also reduce the mortality rate from injury. Cú Chulainn’s Battle Continuation represents “never give up no matter what”, while Hercules’ represents the ability to survive. The best result is achieved when a resilient body is combined with this skill. Valor A+ Rank: With his brave and daring spirit, Heracles is able to neutralize mental interference such as suppression, confusion, and charm. However, under the influence of Mad Enhancement, this skill is unable to take effect. While operating correctly, Valor also increases the damage inflicted upon the opponent during melee combat. This skill allowed Herakles to defeat several monsters empty-handed. Mind's Eye (Fake) B Rank: A danger avoidance ability based on Intuition/Sixth Sense, gained through many ordeals and adventures. Even though Berserker’ sanity was lost due to Mad Enhancement, this skill remained effective due to it being nearly an instinct. When crossing swords with a seasoned swordsman like Artoria, he would not fall for half-hearted feints. It is such a troublesome ability for his opponents. Noble phantasm : God hand B Rank :Every time he is harmed by an attack, regardless if it leads to death or not, he will gain resistance after he heals. In the case of being damaged by flames, he would gain around "+100 fire resistance" after healing. Rather than rendering them "completely ineffective", it makes subsequent attacks almost useless against him.No matter the power of the Noble Phantasm used to kill him, it will be nullified after he resurrects, so even the greatest attack will not be effective on him twice and will require different methods to take each subsequent life. Analysis : In Heaven Feel Saber alter was able to take 4 lives with 4 mana burst and 7 lives with one Excalibur . 1 mana burst = 1 life lost , 1 Excalibur = 7 lives lost. Assuming Excalibur and Vasavi Shakti are equal in power (Not taking divinity or threat to the planet) That mean Balmung would take a similar amount of lives. Taking into account the fact that after 4 uses of mana burst (4 deaths) HERACLES became immune it’s safe to assume he would also require 4 Excalibur (28 deaths). Which mean 2 uses of Balmung would be enough to wipe all of HERACLES stash of lives. With the true ether inside balmung 2 uses isn’t a big deal for Siegfried. Arjuna : N°7 Strength:A /Endurance:B /Agility:B /Mana:B/Luck:A++ Skill : Clairvoyance C+ Rank: The skill representing eyesight quality that allows him to see targets at a long distance beyond kinetic vision. Arjuna is even able to see invisible targets. By concentrating extremely during the moment he shoots his bow, Arjuna manipulates his own sense of time. Mana Burst (Flame) A Rank: A Skill that came attached to his Noble Phantasm Agni Gandiva that he received from the God of Flames AgniWP. It allows him to release jet-like bursts of mana, not from his body, but as propulsion for his arrows, allowing them to pierce his enemies faster than a rifle. Noble phantasm : Agni Gandiva Rank A : Normally just a regular bow, by activating its True Name, its arrow becomes a missile engulfed in flames. It is not a homing missile, but since Arjuna is an archery genius and possesses the Clairvoyance Skill, its precision is that of a homing missile anyway. Pashupata Rank A+ : It is an Anti-"Unit" Noble Phantasm, but that is only because of its nature of "not collectively crushing all humans in its surroundings", but "judging each one individually and delivering Moksha to those who fail." Moksha delivers instant death. The higher one's Divinity is, the higher the probability of Moksha being delivered. Analysis : A rank strength is nice but not enough to be a threat to Siegfried. Mana burst Flame A (the same as Karna)will also not be a problem for Siegfried. Agni Gandiva Rank A will be reduced by B+ since Arjuna is a proper Hero and deal no damage when activated. Pashupata is equal to Vasavi Shakti but seem to have a long starting time,Balmung being equal to Vasavi Shakti and being stated as being faster to activate give Siegfried the upper hand here. Altera : N°6 Strength:B/ Endurance:A /Agility:A /Mana:B/Luck:A Skill : Crest of the Star EX Rank: The unique pattern imprinted on Altera's body, a strange design that does not belong to the Huns but resulted from some advanced ritual. The higher the rank, the higher one's attack power is increased. By expending Magical Energy through it, Altera can temporarily enhance the performance of any desired part of the body. An efficient Skill that costs little mana but lacks the explosiveness of Skills like Mana Burst. In addition, this unique Skill also has the effects of the Instinct Skill - since it felt like it was missing a little something. Tactics B Rank: An instinctive capacity for utilizing tactical knowledge in battles where many are mobilized. Provides a plus modifier at the time of using one’s own Anti-Army Noble Phantasm or when dealing with an opposing Anti-Army Noble Phantasm. Noble Phantasm : Photon Ray Rank A:The "blade" of the sword, formed of tri-colored bands of light, is believed to be capable of destroying "any and all existence" on Earth. When its True Name is released, Altera charges at and extensively annihilates the enemy camp while crossing over it like a shooting star with the "blade" projecting mana with a rainbow-like light. Upon unleashing its true power, both its rank and type classification as a Noble Phantasm increases. Teardrop Photon Ray Rank A++:The sword of light is, in actuality, nothing but some sort of laser pointer that designates the attack spot. Simultaneously as its True Name is unleashed, a giant light pillar (the real Photon Ray) thrusts itself in against Altera's designated spot from the distant skies above, annihilating a wide area. It's, so to speak, a orbiting satellite laser attack. Because of this property of causing an attack from above, it is useful for attacking strongholds. When invoking this Noble Phantasm, Altera is actually establishing a connection with the God of War Mars (Ares). Due to her actions as the White Titan 14,000 years ago, Mars loathes Altera more than anyone else and upon recognizing the connection, he would unleash Photon Ray, his light of authority, towards her. Altera’s usage of mana for this Noble Phantasm is to actually redirect that light of authority towards the designated spot of attack, costing a great deal of mana to redirect it. Analysis : Her regular attack can’t harm Siegfried and her noble phantasm should be a match for Balmung however it also require a lot of mana to use which mean she can’t spam it like Siegfried can with Balmung. How is she supposed to win ? Iskandar : N°6 Strength:B /Endurance:A /Agility:D /Mana:C/Luck:A+ Skill : Tactics B Rank: When Iskandar was alive, his military prowess that resounded in the Islamic world derived into many heroic tales and was propagated all over Asia. Tactical knowledge used not for one-on-one combat situations, but for battles where many are mobilized. Bonus modifiers are provided during use of one's own Anti-Army Noble Phantasm or when dealing against an enemy Anti-Army Noble Phantasm Noble phantasm : Via expugnatio Rank A+ : It is a powerful trampling attack performed using Gordius Wheel. The damage is decided by two factors, damage from the eight strikes from the hooves of the bulls and the damage from being struck by the wheels of the chariot, with both physical damage and the effects of the lightning strikes taking effect with each attack roll. If the target is not strong enough and fails a saving throw, additional damage will also be dealt. The power emitted is significantly greater than its normal charge after Rider calls out its True Name. Its speed is also very significant, reducing a distance of one hundred meters to zero the instant after its activation, almost matching the speed with which Excalibur is activated. Ioian Hetaroi Rank EX: It is described as the ultimate Noble Phantasm of Rider, a "super Noble Phantasm" as described by Tokiomi Tohsaka with the same rank EX-rank as Gilgamesh's Gate of Babylon.The trump card of the King of Conquerors, it summons a Reality Marble that embodies Alexander the Great's dreams and philosophies as a king and the bond formed with his subjects, his life sublimated as a Noble Phantasm. Analysis : His B rank strength won’t work on Siegfried. Via expugnatio is A+ but can be destroyed by Balmung and the damage Siegfried would receive from it would be E rank. Ioian Hetaroi can be stopped by just striking Iskandar with Balmung while he is getting closer to put Siegfried inside it. Regardless even if Siegfried is inside it he can destroy it by spamming Balmung to kill as many soldiers as possible to fasten the destruction of the reality marble. What is more Siegfried would have no problem dealing with the soldier. Siegfried would have the upper hand.
Achilles : N°5 Strength: B+/ Endurance:A /Agility:A+/ Mana:C/ Luck:D Skill : Affection of the Goddess B Rank: A skill that represents the affection is from his mother, Thetis. Other than Mana and Luck, all parameters are increased by one rank. Battle Continuation A Rank: Achilles is able to fight even when given grievous injuries. Compared to Siegfried's weak point that can allow even the weakest of Servants to kill him, Rider, who "doesn't know when to give up", can continue fighting for a time even after either of his weak-points, his heel and heart, are struck.During the Atlantic Lostbelt, despite having his heel pierced and spiritual core destroyed by Lostbelt Chiron's Antares Snipe, Achilles was able to stall Chiron for a long period of time while destroying his Atlantis guard. Valor A+ Rank: Thanks to this ability, Achilles is able to nullify mental interference such as coercion, confusion, and glamours. Damage in hand-to-hand combat is also increased. Noble phantasm : Troias Tragōidia Rank A : As a Rider Class servant, Achilles possesses an A rank chariot driven by three steeds. The horses consist of the two divine horses bestowed by the sea god Poseidon and the famous horse which Achilles stole from a city.The great acceleration of this Noble Phantasm pierces the sound barrier in a mere instant, and allows Achilles to trample down the battlefield with godspeed. The increase in speed is also proportional to increase in damage dealt.Due to moving at the speed of light, this chariot is impossible to avoid and impossible to defend against, and its charging power is tremendous. It is virtually perfect in both attack and defense - one of the pinnacles of what heroes could accomplish Akhilleus Kosmos Rank A+ : The shield protects the wielder by deploying a miniature world and can block nearly any attack, whether it be from an Anti-Unit, Anti-Army, Anti-Fortress, Anti-Country or even Anti-Divine Noble Phantasm. However, due to this Noble Phantasm’s nature, it is weak against Anti-World Noble Phantasms. Achilles boasts that once the shield is activated, it can fend off any manner of attack be it from a man, army, castle, or even god. Its defensive power was high enough to completely block Karna's Vasavi Shakti although it shattered afterwards.Achilles is also able to use this shield to “attack” as well. After deploying the Noble Phantasm, he would aim to crush the enemy with that miniature world by continuously pushing forward. Diatrekhōn Astēr Lonkhē Rank B+ : Achilles' lance, a Noble Phantasm that becomes usable when he steps out his chariot. It creates an arena cut off from all of the surrounding environment and time, which isn’t released until one of the combatants is defeated. It also negates “flukes” caused by things like divine blessings or luck, allowing fellow Heroic Spirits to engage with Achilles on a one on one match, where outside help is impossible. Achilles can only use this Noble Phantasm against male opponents he wishes to fight and who have enough courage and skill to respond to his challenge. Andreias Amarantos Rank B : Achilles' entire body, excluding his heel, boasts the blessing of immortality, which negates all attacks from those who don't possess Divinity. Also, if the skill’s rank isn't equal or higher than Achilles', the damage won't go through completely, reduced to 75% of the damage for D rank and to 50% for E rank. Achilles is also susceptible to Divine Constructs. In that case, the damage he receives depends on the rank of the divine armament. Should his heel ever be pierced, and injured, Achilles would be severly weakened as his overall grade as a heroic spirit would lowered, he would lose his Dromeus Komētēs Noble Phantasm and have his running speed reduced by 70%.Furthermore, he would no longer be able to make use of Andreias Amarantos either.[ Dromeus Komētēs Rank A+: In his legend, Achilles is recorded as the fastest hero in human history. This is embodied in his Noble Phantasm Dromeus Komētēs, a continuously invoked Noble Phantasm that is activated by stepping out of his chariot. He can run through a giant battlefield in one breath and obstacles on the field will not slow him down.Generally speaking, there were no Servants in the Great Holy Grail War who could beat him in terms of speed, even when he wasn't mounted on his chariot. There is no one, either before or after his death, who had beaten the great hero Achilles of the Trojan War in speed. Even inside the Hanging Gardens of Babylon, where the fame of all servants besides Semiramis is reduced to zero, Karna, who is also quick-witted and agile, is noted to be one step slower than Achilles.Achilles' speed is equated to instantaneous movement, and he is able to strike anything that enters into his field of vision, as he can close the distance instantly.Although he must expose his weak point, his speed is so overwhelming that not many Heroic Spirits can keep up with him. The way Rider thrusts his spear is truly divine speed incarnate. Even if an enemy can see through all his attacks, they are unable to completely avoid or block all of them.There are only a few servants who could catch up with his speed. Analysis :Having B rank strength B+ with valor skill Achilles can’t harm Siegfried. Troias Tragōidia is a A rank noble phantasm used by a proper Hero so it can’t harm Siegfried. Diatrekhōn Astēr Lonkhē is Rank B+ so it won’t work either Akhilleus Kosmos is Rank A+ used by a proper Hero so it will be reduced to E rank which is nothing for Siegfried and because it’s a defensive noble phantasm an argument could be made that using as a way to attack would not make it A+ but A rank which wouldn’t work on Siegfried. Andreias Amarantos prevent Siegfried from harming Achilles since he doesn’t have divinity .Balmung cannot Harm Achilles since it’s not confirmed to be a divine construct altough it’s stated to have been made by inhuman hand. They are both unable to harm each others. Saber : N°4 Strength:B/ Endurance:B/Agility:B/Mana:A/Luck:A+ Skill : Mana Burst A Rank: Saber's entire fighting style and strength are based around her Mana Burst skill. With it, she can infuse and accumulate Magical Energy into her weapon and body, momentarily injecting an arbitrary vector that allows for an exceptional boost of her abilities by instantaneously releasing the magical energy to reinforce herself. In other words, it’s jet propulsion with mana. This Heroic Spirit applies it in sword fights for defense and movement, demonstrating high performance in every aspect. Instinct A Rank: Artoria possesses the ability to always instantly identify “the best personal course of action” during combat. It is an innate ability unlike something that can be gained by anyone through hard work like Mind's Eye (True). Due to having been strengthened by a degree from the specialty of the Saber class,it is essentially a sixth sense in the realm of predicting the future. Noble phantasm : Invisible Air Rank C : Artoria's first Noble Phantasm is always Invisible Air, with which she conceals her sword. It does not allow the enemy to determine its range. It is simple, but tremendously effective in hand-to-hand combat. The sword is surrounded by wind that reflects light making it virtually invisible. It is not a vacuum, but the wind whirring around the blade is like a weapon and it seems to increase the damage of the slash. Only when the compressed wind is released is a vacuum state created. When the target has "resistance to visual impediments", the accuracy correction of Invisible Air is ineffective. Excalibur Rank A++ : Artoria wields Excalibur, a Divine Construct forged by the planet. The sword works by converting the mana of the wielder into light, that is unleashed from the tip of the blade like a laser beam that destroys everything in its path. Although Artoria can exert energy on the level of a Divine Spirit, she has never been able to fully unleash this Noble Phantasm due to its full power being limited by the Thirteen Restraints. Avalon Rank EX :With this Noble Phantasm, Artoria can heal from any wound unless her brain is destroyed. Even the wounds sustained by Enuma Elish are healed in a few minutes without consuming any magical energy. By invoking its True Name, Avalon will deploy a Bounded Field that provides the greatest defense by shutting out all physical interference and placing her in the land of the fairies. It can also nullify the interference of True Magic; thanks to being an existence equivalent to it. Analysis : B rank strength is pointless against Siegfried and her mana burst is what allow her to fight against servant like she does without it she is physically weaker than rin. Even if she would muster enough mana to blast it against Siegfried Armor of Fafnir + Dragon slayer would just cancel it.In a clash between Excalibur and Balmung Siegfried would likely have the upper hand since Balmung have anti dragon property and Saber is a dragon (dragon core). Avalon is good and Siegfried can’t harm Saber when she is inside it . Siegfried have the upper hand in this fight
Karna : N°2 Strength: B/ Endurance: C /Agility: A /Mana: B /Luck: D Skill : Mana Burst (Flame) Rank A : The power to infuse mana into his weapon. For Karna, blazing flames become mana that dwells in his weapon. This Skill is constantly active and any weapon in Karna’s hands is affected by this effect. Noble phantasm : Kavacha & Kundala Rank A : This is a powerful Defense Noble Phantasm that releases the sun’s radiance.Since it is light itself taken form, even the gods find it difficult to destroy. It is unified with Karna’s flesh. Brahmastra Kundala Rank A+ :The Anti-Country Noble Phantasm Karna received from the Brahman Parashurama.It manifests as bow if his Class is Archer, or a different projectile if his Class is anything else. Adding the effects of Karna’s attribute of intense heat, one hit becomes comparable to a nuclear weapon. Vasavi Shakti Rank EX :The single-use Spear of Light that can take down even the gods. The spear of mortality, made of lighting.It manifests in exchange for his armor, replacing tremendous defensive power for a powerful spear with Anti-Divine properties. Analysis : As demonstrated by their first fight they are equal in CQC. Karna Mana Burst Flame are inefective against Siegfried as Armor of Fafnir + Disengage would cancel it. Siegfried also have nothing to fear from Brahmastra Kundala as he can just counter it with his own balmung or just tank it with Armor of Fafnir + Disengage reducing it to E rank and with the flame removed instantly. Now there is Vasavi Shakti which is as powerful as Balmung. All in all Siegfried have the upper hand here. While they are equal Siegfried ability to spam his noble phantasm is just to much for Karna to deal with. Enkidu : N°1 Strength: A/ Endurance: A /Agility: A /Mana: B /Luck: E Skill : Transfiguration A Rank:For their summoning in Fate/Grand Order, they at times make STR into A Rank, and at times make END into A Rank. However, because the conversion limits of parameters is set in stone, Enkidu cannot make all parameters into A Rank. Enkidu possesses a comprehensive value of 30, and each parameter consumes the respective values: A-7, B-6, C-5, D-4, E-3. The maximum value is dependent on the Master Enkidu has. If they were summoned by the World and the Earth was their Master, then all of Enkidu's parameters would be set to A rank and they would be given an additional 30 points to spend freely. With these extra points, Enkidu would be able to reach A+ in all parameters. Presence Detection A++ Rank: Enkidu boasts the highest rank of presence detection, a subsystem that allows him to become one with the World and identify anything out of place at long range. Via the Earth, is able to sense the presence of things at long range. In close range, an equal or lower rank of Presence Concealment can be nullified. Enkidu is unable to pinpoint the exact location of objects infused with their own Magical Energy. This can result in the object completely concealing the presence of other entities in the surrounding area. Perfect Form A Rank: By making use of the Magical Energy of the land, it restores itself to its former shape. So long there is a supply of magic energy from the land, Enkidu’s body (which was produced from the clay of the Age of Gods will never collapse. A powerful regeneration・restoration ability that is completely unprecedented. However, the Soul is a different matter. Noble phantasm : Age of Babylon Rank ???: Enkidu has a Noble Phantasm known as Age of Babylon. With it, Enkidu is able to create weapons, such as swords, spears, and chains from the ground using clay. Each of these weapons represents the pinnacle of human craftsmanship. Because Enkidu was made from clay by the gods, they lack a gender or fixed form. They can change shape at will, but as creation of the gods is considered complete from birth and neither grew or evolved unlike Gilgamesh. Enkidu generally uses their androgynous appearance despite being able to take different forms as needed; they can take the form of a spear, axe, shield, or beast should the need arise, each the pinnacle of human craftsmanship, with this ability allowing Enkidu to last several days in battle against Gilgamesh and the Gate of Babylon. Enuma Elish Rank EX : Enkidu's trump card is their Noble Phantasm Enuma Elish, which transforms its own body into a Divine Construct, to fire a giant amount of energy that pierces and binds the opponent in one hit.Since Enkidu draws its power from the Counter Force to power this attack, its power is increased in response to things that threaten the destruction of the planet or humanity. Analysis : A rank strength isn’t enough to bring Siegfried down. However Enkidu should be able to heal wound received with his perfect form skill. The weapon created by Age of Babylon are said to be of the highiest rank. So A rank ? Are they also considered as a noble phantasm ? If yes then Armor of Fafnir will negate them if not then they are going to deal E rank damage to Siegfried. Enuma elish is said to be equal to Ea . Assuming Ea and Vasavi Shakti are equal in power (Not taking into account Vasavi anti divine and Ea anti world) then Balmung should be equal to it too. The question now i scan Enkidu deal with Balmung spam ? Gilgamesh : N°1 Strength:B /Endurance:C /Agility: C/Mana: B /Luck:A Skill : Noble phantasm : Enuma Elish Rank EX : Gilgamesh’s most powerful Noble Phantasm is Enuma Elish, an attack performed by unleashing Ea’s maximum output. Said output is equal or even greater than Excalibur’s, and can be further increased by absorbing the energy of the other Noble Phantasms within Gate of Babylon. Thus, its power cannot be completely neutralized even when colliding with Excalibur,unless it is blocked by an Anti-Purge class armor or counterbalanced by an attack that deals damage of the same level Gate of Babylon Rank E~A++ : It grants him access to all of the world's treasures that he collected during his life, which include prototypes of other heroes' Noble Phantasms, and he can launch them as the strongest arrows towards his opponents. While he may sometimes choose to wield them as regular weapons, he mainly fights by raining down an overwhelming amount of weapons on his opponents, each of them fired with godspeed and fatal power. Analysis : With B rank strength Gilgamesh can’t harm Siegfried. The weapon from the gate are noble phantasm which mean even A rank are going to be negated by Armor of Fafnir. Only A+ and above noble phantasm could graze Siegfried and that is if he doesn’t deflect them. Ea VS Balmung should come down to an equality and if you argue that E ais more powerful so be it however Balmung still have it’s spammability that even Ea wouldn’t be able to deal with. To be fair Gilgamesh should have some mana thing inside of the gate to allow him to use Ea more often but would it be enough to keep up with Balmung ? TLDR: We can argur the fight could go either way from N°3 to N°1 but those below cannot beat Siegfried Achilles would get a Draw and that is all. Have a good day if you read this far .
The fact that Siegfried is as strong as Karna in CQC does not matter to those who are stronger than Karna in this, such as Achilles or Artoria. If you have B rank power, it doesn't mean that you can't deal damage to Siegfried, for example, Karna with B rank power could deal A rank hits, weapons or skills matter. The same Heracles or Achilles could damage Siegfried, thanks to their skills, or Artoria due to Excalibur(just a sword). Balmung is not as strong as Vasavi Shakti, you probably mean the moment when Sieg(not Siegfried) uses the Command Seal and strengthens the attack(and still loses), Balmung can be as strong as Brahmastra Kundala or Galatine, but not the level of Vasavi Shakti. Balmung is not an EX rank, it becomes one only after buffing from a command spell, in fact its rank is A+. Also, Balmung cannot be spammed, this was done by Sieg(not Siegfried), thanks to the Galvanism skill, it is also said that he can only spam when he was ALIVE, so it would look like this: Living Siegfried>Sieg(Siegfried's form)>Siegfried's servant.
@@СанжарЖагупаров-м6т Hello there Karna could scratch Siegfried because of Vasavi Shakti passive ability which allow karna to deal A rank attack despite having B rank strength. Without that ability Karna would eventually lose in CQC to Siegfried. Why ? Because Karna isn't invincible like Siegfried. Kavancha and Kundala reduce all external attack to 1/10 of their effectiveness but given enough time (months/years) Karna wounds would just stacks. Heracles have B rank strength. WIth madness enhancement it goes up to A rank. With his valor skill it goes up to A+ rank. Except Heracles cannot use his valor skill as a Berserker. So he have A rank strength. Karna also was able to deal A rank attack thank to Vasavi Shakti but he couldn't win. How would Heracles be able to win in CQC ? Achilles ? I made a section for him and Saber as well. Yes Balmung is a EX rank noble phantasm and yes it is as strong as Vasavi Shakti. > Balmung = Vasavi Shakti Sieg the homunculus realised he was still not using the entire power of Siegfried and said so himself. He then use a command spell on his body to forcibly release all that power . What ensue is that Balmung responded as the power was increased and matched Vasavi Shakti however it was still not enough to overpower it. It is also stated Karna would end up winning that clash not because of Vasavi Shakti being stronger but because Karna will power was highier than Sieg the Homunculus. TLDR: The command spell didn't increase Balmung output it just made Sieg the Homunculus reach a point were he was now able to use Siegfried power to it fullest. > Balmung can be spammed Balmung can indeed be spammed. Why ? The blue jewel you can see on the sword contain True ether from the age of god. A small quantity of that true ether allow for several Balmung uses. How you ask ? Because True ether is like super magical energy. Think of that Blue jewel as stored magical energy Siegfried can use to unleash Balmung without spending his own mana. Here is a link to balmung wiki: typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Balmung Here is a link to True ether: typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Element#True_Ether Have a good day.
How do you define if servant can be summoned in regular HGW. Shouldn't servant like Semiramis, tamamo, caenis, romulus(normal ver) or shuten be on the list too? Other than that, i think this is quite good. BTW, if extra classes is included (cause regular HGW is never regular, since most masters try to bend the rule in someway), how would you rank servant like Dante or Qin Shi Huang.
Semiramis needs special materials to build her gardens, and those materials are not guaranteed to be available when she is summoned. It is also unknown if caenis would have poseidon's blessing normally, since the grail can't summon divine spirits. Romulus lacks feats. All we know is that he is weaker than altera while still being top servant level. Pretty vague. We know nothing about Qin Shi Huang's power, let alone his class. I assume you meant his lostbelt counterpart. Even if you could summon a Ruler, lostbelt Qin would never appear. Not only is he from an alternate timeline, but said timeline has been pruned away
@@guesswho8556 i guess the summoning system in chaldea is different than how they do it in normal HGW right? I mean they can summon quetzacoatl despite being divine spirit and lb king. But didn’t wodime and ritsuka summon caenis, while she still has Poseidon bressing, so maybe she could be summon in normal HGW too. Or it just Wodime is built different? Well, you r making top 100 in the future anyway, so i will wait and see the ranking at that time.
@@kawaiilolihunter in fgo the human order is a mess and anomalies are happening every day. Apollo gets summoned with Paris for example, or artemis with orion. That wouldn't happen normally. Whether caenis has poseidon's blessing or not normally doesn't matyer. She wouldn't get summoned either way since she is a Divine Spirit.
