It may be difficult and expensive to do, but a really informative piece of reporting would be to get all five of these bikes in the same size and with similar specs, and hire out a wind tunnel for the day and test them against each other.
German TOUR magazine does that for the majority of the aero bikes they test - and they use the same test protocol every time. A good part of the data is available publicly on their website; for the remainder you need to sub. Very broadly speaking, their tests show that there is in fact difference of about 30W@45kph between the fastest and slowest current aero/race bikes. Fun fact/teaser: The fastest bikes (aerodynamically speaking) isn't actually in this video. ; )
I just bought a new Aeroad CFR Red. It literally did make me faster, I estimate a 15w advantage over my old Tarmac SL5. I didnt think it would be a noticeable difference but it absolutely is.
I have an eye on Aeroad CF SLX as a potential upgrade from Planet X Pro Carbon recently destroyed in a crash and Cube Cross Race C:62 cyclocross bike used with road tires as a road bike. Both these bikes are quite a bit heavier than the heaviest Aeroad and have no aero features at all, I'm guessing the switch would be even more significant in my case.
The Propel looks best and it's really pleasing to the eyes. Others are doing everything they can towards aerodynamics but that make them look too alien and too deformed from the original road bike I've known.
I custom painted my cheap 2nd hand cube that I bought 2 years ago and it also look cool now. Trained more, got faster, and saved 5k. But who doesn’t like to look at some shiny new aero bikes… 👀
I am currently riding the Scott Foil Pro Rc 2023 but will be purchasing an aero bike from Canyon as in my opinion the only bike that can compete with Scott in terms of speed is Canyon....
As consumers, we should voice our opinions. We don't want to listen to marketing hype about saving 8 watts at 48km/h. Who on strava has a 48km/h average speed? You stop because of resistance between the tire and the ground, thus rim brakes are fine. I don't want disc brakes. Shimano mechanical shifting 105, Ultera and Dura Ace worked. We don't want to charge more batteries. Leave my cables external so I can work on my own bike. I only ride at about 200w average, so my watts saved by going aero is about 1 watt. Maybe it is time for us to use our voices and wallets to inform the large corporates that they are not listening to their clients.
The choice is yours not to buy the new bikes.. nobody is forcing you to buy them. There are still manufacturers selling rim and you have a plethora of high end secondhand rim bikes to choose from people offloading them. I’ve heard some say the top end rim bikes from 10years ago are better than todays new disc/electronic bikes.. it’s simply not true.. I’ve kept my old rim bike but only ride it when I’m too lazy to clean my disc.. the difference is night and day
You are entitled to your opinion. The biggest differences between bikes are wheels, tire size, saddles and bar tape. There are no day and night diffrences. Oops, I forgot about bike fit. I will guess that you are on wider rims and tires. Can you specify they differences in your 2 bikes ? I have nothing against new bikes, just the way in which we are told what to ride and the never ending marketing hype when most of it is drivel.
Consumers shouldn't rush to adopt new aero frames; let their performance be proven. In the meanwhile, increase your flexibility as much as possible and get a professional bike fit to make the most of your riding position. From there, get some data on yourself because the faster you are, the more you get out of an aero-bike. If you are pushing 35 kph without pushing yourself, an aero-bike starts to really make sense.
All great machines, my pick would be the new Cannondale SS Evo LAB 71, given that there's no sign of a system six I'd say it's a long the lines of the propel...
i've just built my SSE LAB71 with DA9270, zipp 404 firecrest..and the bike rides like a dream at only 7.1kg with bottle cages, pedals and head unit mount. Perfect for flat and small climbs if you'd ask me 👌😬
Canyon, lovely but I would prefer their Ultimate. All the others are ugly, and I did own a 2020 propel... I went back to a new TCR, but I would choose an Ultimate, or a BMC Team machine over these for me
@@ariffau GCN showed dropper for down hill, I am looking at 27.2mm seat post but also like for thing if use dropper for stuff like if might try off road
@Ryan Terence depends how done, if with dropper my build is 7.8kg, normal seatpost makes it similar in weight to SLR 7, I been looking as a daily, to me SLR is a let down as seat mast instead of seat post so can't do axs dropper, also if was £9k get me to SLR 9 which I am surprised how much I can save
@@ariffau a lot is on flat where I use 53 11 on my 6.7kg bike but wanted a more aero bike and use in London to Brighton also going around the coast of Britain sometime
Canyon offers an Ultegra model for about $6000 USD. But they won't let you select a stem length size! (or a crank length). Also they won't let you skip the faulty power meter. So I'm going to get a Chinese brand that offers a full on aero frame. If I have to build it up with a separately purchased Ultegra group set and Chinese brand wheels I can keep the price under $5000 USD and get the correct stem, handle bars, and crank length. Adding a power meter may eat away any savings though. Elves, Yoeleo, and WinSpace are the three brands I'm considering.
Funny how everyone here is saying these bikes won't make you faster, such a cope and a cop out lol. Yes training and diet are more important but if you really think you wouldn't be faster on one of these superbikes I would just have to laugh at you.
Canyon bikes are consumer-direct by eliminating the middle men, such as distributors and bike shops. With the cost savings made, this is how they manage to sell their bikes at competitive prices.
Aero might be an aspect for the pros. But what about comfort for all the amateurs out there who usually cruize at an average 30km per hour?! I wanna enjoy the ride and not suffer from diecomfort.
Plenty of aero bikes have good comfort levels built in. The bike that springs to mind is the Merida Scultura. Otherwise, fitting wider tyres is a way to make any of these bikes comfortable
For me: the new Oltre is missing. Not even one test out on the internet. It seems to be much more modern than these, for sure great bikes. I've seen the Oltre now in real live and it looks absolutely stunning. From those bikes: the madone and the foil. The Giant: stopped the development on the stem!? Canyon: the seatposts makes problems in rare cases (about 99%!!!!) Cervelo: not pleasing, nothing about it.
@@bikeradar Great! Although i get my Oltre Pro in 2 days. It is the first bike (of so many!) that i bought without reading any test before. It does not matter i love the look so much, makes me at least look fast ;-) and compared to a Madone 7, seriously more cost friendly ;-) Continue your great videos!
Incredible bikes, but I can go out and buy a new Ninja 400 for just over $6k and still have money left over for a decent road bike to get a good workout in. Best of both worlds for me anyway.
It depends on a lot of factors. At a certain point (inc age) you are just not going to get any more watts, no matter how well frequently or hard you train, how well you sleep or eat. This applies equally to Pro Peleton, they max out pretty early in their careers. So for people who would like to go a bit faster Aero matters.
i mean, a trek madone is 5 watts faster than a giant TCR advanced at 40km/h as tested in windtunnel. i think most high end bikes are "fast" either way. most of the rest is just marketing
@bikeradar without having any solid evidence for what bikes are the fastest, you really can't make the claims you do. Relying on manufacturer descriptions and unsubstantiated claims in not ok without you giving any disclaimers
you need to be objective, @DavidArthur did actual wind tunnel testing and the so called aero bikes were hardly if at all faster than the Giant TCR. It's all marketing hype. Disc rotors are not aero
I don't think I can change you mind on this, but David Arthur's approach was not really that reliable. He was pedalling with different cadences, using low windspeeds (30 and 40kp/h) and swapping weels like they are a constant and then considering the frame an isolated variable. This is not how thorough aero testing works, as some wheels will be fast on one bike and slow on another, and even more relevantly, some riders may be more aero on one bike than another. Theoretically, although highly speculative and unlikely, the Giant TCR could be faster in some configurations for some riders.
@@niklasbirksted8175 no you can't I use to buy all the marketing crap. It is so documented that the rider position, clothes and helmet make the biggest difference.
Exactly. It's just the latest industry marketing BS to sell silly overpriced mostly cheap sweatshop fabricated framesets to gullible easy mark consumer Fred's. Never see a single rider in my area get markedly faster by simply going to an "aero framed" bike. Not one.
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The bike is secondary folks, focus on your TRAINING. 99% of us don't need these overpriced, poorly engineered gadgets. They might make you a couple of percent faster, but they make you significantly poorer. There's nothing more satisfying than dropping your friends riding 10k bikes with your steel frame, second hand facebook marketplace bike.
I once matched up with a rider (maybe even got ahead a little) on a Pinarello Dogma F8 during a seated hard effort and I was on a Colnago Primavera, a pre-2010 aluminium road bike. Both of us were on flat pedals and I was wearing regular clothes whereas he was wearing Lycra.
Truth: The bike will not make you faster. If you have friends who are faster than you, you need new friends!!!!! Aero Bikes is an oxymoron. Every 'road' bike is aero and these bikes only make sense for pros. But if you are a dentist with midlife crisis, go for it :)
cervelo,giant,scott,trek and canyon 😮really wow! i'am surprised🙄(shocked almost..). And this of course just happens to be the companies that spend the most on advertising ...😳 Great objective review bikeradar just great🫣...
