Lightweight Vs Aero - What’s The Fastest All-Round Bike?

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When it comes to road bikes, there are two main types: lightweight and aero. Lightweight bikes are designed to go faster up the climbs, whereas aero bikes are faster on the flat. But if you’re doing a ride that combines the two, such as a gran fondo, which bike is best for you? Ollie & Alex compare the two bikes over varied terrain to find out which is faster overall!
00:00 Intro
00:46 The bikes
01:39 The course & predictions
04:58 Disclaimer
05:36 Run 1
09:17 Run 2
12:27 Results
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@gcntech Год назад

Which do you prefer: lightweight or aero bikes? Let us know in the comments below! 👇

@gaurangbhangale2832 Год назад

light weight

@jascollinscork Год назад

I'm a TT/flat rider at best so Aero bike for me BUT I own a BMC Team Machine slr02 and I love it 😁

@thewanderer673 Год назад

AERO for me.... Unirox Aeroad

@XX-su3zp Год назад

As long as it looks dope

@jaredfontaine2002 Год назад

Like weight bike for the win RIM BRAKES!

@dominicbritt Год назад

So, in conclusion, if you’re not a World Tour Pro get the type of bike that you prefer the ride feel of 👍

@etherealicer Год назад

That is why I ride a 18kg-non aero-steel frame 😂

@dan_lazaro Год назад

@@etherealicer 18kg? Dang my steel framed era as a junior on a 53cm frame(criminally oversized I literally have only 9cm of seatpost out and my handlebar and saddle are almost level) was 9.8kg. It was a Bridgestone Radac (aluminium front triangle so technically not full steel). Now I'm on a Giant TCR and I feel carried in my level of competition by how good my bike is.

@etherealicer Год назад

@@dan_lazaro Well, it is a 20 year old tourer, not a racer with all the works. Full sized mud guards, trailer attachment, cargo rack, basket, even a chain guard and a dynamo (always on). Still get around 100km / week and a top speed of around 33km/h out of it... I'm considering buying a gravel bike now (or something in that spirit), though I can't see myself wear lycra. 😁

@cristianguerrero2464 Год назад

@@etherealicer damn i used yo ride one with the dame weight 😅🤣 , it's a torture

@dan_lazaro Год назад

@@etherealicer I see. I ride a TCR Advanced now so I revived my vintage scott full rigid mtb and it came in at 11.5kg with a road crankset and a 14-28 block to ride for groceries. I think my lights are worth more than the entire bike but I tune it up and in my opinion the ride quality it has is definitely better than you'd expect from a bike that I'd be hard-pressed to pay 50$ for lol. Edit: I also put 2.35 tires on it instead of the usual 1.95 you find on old mtbs and it is a bit noisy on the road but it looks cooler and handles xc well.

@courtdavidson8965 Год назад

Ollie is looking more and more like Dan every day, even down to the posing. At this rate, he’ll have stopped riding altogether by Christmas next year.

@johnnyloco11 Год назад

prey for hs ankles

@nelisfs2211 Год назад

It’s hard to call yourself anything like Dan if you were never on the Cervélo test team tbh.

@two-eyedRoy Год назад

We'll have to keep an eye out on his "mineral water' intake...

@gcntech Год назад

Hahaha is he peaking do you think? 😂

@coldforgedcowboy Год назад

@@johnnyloco11 ... "Pray" not "Prey" their is a significant difference their. LOL, that is taking micro aggressions to whole new level.

@2rsbullock Год назад

Having purchased a new bike yesterday I did not consider aero or weight. I was looking for comfort and build. For the last 47 years I've have ridden exclusively steel frames with down tube friction shifters. My old body wasn't liking the harsher ride and limited gearing. So with my new Giant Defy with mechanical Ultegra. I have gotten less weight, more aero, wider gearing, better shifting, and more importantly comfort. I have moved into the modern age. But I still appreciate my steel bikes.

@manitolas Год назад

Many happy milles 😀🤟

@limonfalan 6 месяцев назад

@@manitolas and thats a good bike , capable of many things . 35mm tires and you cann go woods. or put some good wheels, and they feel fast. it is the bike i will take to brevets in future .

@johngannon1 Год назад

Climbs is the hand my local geography has dealt so I opted for lightweight over aero. Plus there is a bit of a price difference and I was pushing affordability to get an electronic groupset. And a double thumbs up to Ollie and Alex - that was a lovely co-presenting job. A really enjoyable watch.

@gcntech Год назад

Great to hear you've found a bike that works for your riding! Lightweight bikes are a great all round option 🙌 What bike did you go for?

@johngannon1 Год назад

@@gcntech Vitus Vitesse EVO CR eTap AXS Road (Rival) heavily influenced by this GCN video with Sean Kelly 2 years ago ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7HMzq6Mi-Is.html

@jason200912 11 месяцев назад

People overestimate weightadvantages or throwing away a water bottle. Gearing is what actually provides an advantage. Shaving that 2 pounds of weight is the same as emptying out your pockets before you ride. Won't make a difference whatsoever.

@kirkbeatty6845 Год назад

I’d go Aero, they look so much cooler. Also most of my riding is on flatter terrain, I’ll just have to work a little harder on the climbing which should make me STRONGER! Thanks for your work, you two always do top notch content.

@jason200912 11 месяцев назад

Not just that but lightweight bikes tend to give very poor gains even in climbing because the most important factor in climbing isn't weight.... It's your gearing and sustainable power.

@veganpotterthevegan 8 месяцев назад

@jason200912 having a lightweight bike doesn't hurt your ability to produce power🙃 If you only care about your climbing speed and the climbs you do are very steep, you want that lightweight bike. *Every kind of bike someone uses should have the necessary gear range for the terrain they're riding

@donaldryder5534 Год назад

I think Ollie perfectly said why, even in the face of evidence, most amateur riders choose light weight. On my group rides, we stay together on the flats and race up the hills. Every hill. The aero advantage is wasted on our group rides. Maybe an aero bike gives a rider slightly more energy for the climbs (less effort on the flat parts), but given the differences in your climbing results, probably not enough to offset the light weight advantages on a climb.

@bonbonflippers4298 Год назад

You are riding with a group, aero has no benefit unless you're always at the front pulling. Group rides rely on drafting so no aero is necessary. Light weight becomes more important in Group rides because you want to keep up with the group to maintain the draft effect on hills. So the best choice for Group rides is the one that you can keep up with on any terrain

@wazirtan6801 Год назад

@@bonbonflippers4298 yeah truely agreed that is true👍,drafting is the problem experiancing someones body odour 😂

@bluemystic7501 11 месяцев назад

This is a great point. No one is getting dropped on the flats but climbs separate the men from the boys.

@limonfalan 6 месяцев назад

@@bluemystic7501 "No one is getting dropped on the flats" :)),, ye yeaa, when i stay forward with good legs with aerobike, then i hang everytime people, and tha i like, because riding at the last line ist not the best option for aero benefits, maybe 2. or 3 line. but not the last. thats why so much weaker riders make the mistake and goes at the back. yaa but anyway a lightweight bike cann perform in a groupride better at the end, i see that. but it is a little bbit of the course and routing

@kingofcrunk4237 Год назад

Ollie just won another level of appreciation from me that I had reserved for some reason. He's solid; GCN should keep him around.

@Rocky4719 Год назад

The lightweight bikes of the mid 2010s were my dream to own, but even if the same bikes these days have changed quite a bit (in spec and price…) I’d still choose them because I love climbing!

@gcntech Год назад

What bike do you have in mind? 👀

@rfladvogado Год назад

Given that the rider’s position makes the biggest aero gains, I wonder if the difference on the test came from a more aggressive position of the rider on the aero bike. I’ve setup a good aero position on my lightweight bike and it’s certainly not slower than my aero bike.

@cyclehavenbanks9851 Год назад

Probably ❤

@michadebicki6534 Год назад

This

@flouserfehler Год назад

I love these kinds of comparison videos! Keep 'em coming :)

@gcntech Год назад

Thanks!

@cebeaupierrot5999 Год назад

Amazing video ! You should do another one with the third polyvalent bike category like the Tarmac SL7, BMC Teammachine or Pinarello Dogma F. I guess this category should be faster on your course as the specs should be more balanced.

@homerunhomeshow7201 Год назад

All Arounder / hybrid bike I would say, which is pretty much what I already have. A race-influenced lightweight , DeRosa R838 with aero features and components such as flat aero bars, aero seat post, and fast HED wheels with optimized Specialized tires. You guys have confirmed I have a great and practical machine. So cheers to your video!

@Stewensson83 Год назад

It is very nice to have a lightweight bike in the black forrest here in Germany. I am with Ollie, climbs are more challanging than fast flat outs. Nice vid again folks, keep up the good work! :)

@natillano Год назад

Very great comparison and breakdown. Keep it going 🔥🔥

@gcntech Год назад

Thanks! Glad you liked it. What kind of bike do you prefer?

@nikolakostic4710 Год назад

Those videos are so helpfull in these winter days, thank you for all of them :) 👍

@gcntech Год назад

Glad we could help! Hope winter isn't keeping you down! In face Conor and Manon have just shared their top tips in beating winter 👉 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KxcSGEqhSCw.html

@tomheenan5806 Год назад

I love these vids, great work. Please do one looking at the effect of weight on a flat course where speed changes are common. We spend more time accelerating on bikes than maybe we think, speed is always changing.

@gcntech Год назад

Sounds like one we can do here at Uk Mega base! 🙌

@letsif 5 месяцев назад

Makes sense

@Trailrunner. Год назад

thanks for your ideas. Good content at the right moment. 👍 For the long rides over +2 dyas I use the Grizl with 4 Season 700x32. I'm looking for something for the faster rides and duathlon competitions. The shortlist includes the ultimate Cf 7 with Di2with or aeroad cf sl8 with ultegra... budget 4000€

@DDGB08 Год назад

This review/video was much appreciated.😀

@Sportfanaat 11 месяцев назад

Good to see the stats posted. Thanks for sharing

@JonReid Год назад

With all the disclaimers in place, this was still super interesting and informative. One thing you only briefly mentioned is acceleration. For an individual effort like this one, acceleration isn’t a factor, but when adding group dynamics, it becomes a major factor. Getting back up to speed multiple times potentially negates the aero benefits. Chris Miller pointed this out with Plaps victory in the Australian nationals. He won with shallow, lightweight rims as it seems he planned to win from one big acceleration away from the group.

@kennedystuart5685 Год назад

Very cool video. Love it. Keep them coming.👍🏻🇨🇦

@keithmccarthy8849 Год назад

Great video. Cutting into the detail, the gains on the climb Ollie knocked out are relevant to those with the climbing physique. For the average viewer, the best bike to choose is the one that inspires you to ride more, or that little further.

@adamwhitehead3229 Год назад

awesome video, appsolutely had bike envy watching this... get them in that bike volt

@chrisbaum998 Год назад

0:24 Ollie, When is GCN going to come out with their own pinup calendar with all of the GCN Presenters??? 9:54 - Alex, "Don't eat my snacks out of my storage box." Classic smile by Ollie Great video Alex and Ollie keep them coming!!

@Patrik6606 Год назад

Nice comparison. The comment about Moonbase Alpha reminds me that you could see the the strings holding the ships when they were flying through space 😂. Worthless knowledge but funny anyway 😊. Great show as always 👍

@aw13 Год назад

very useful 👍👍👍...it would be great for next comparison video to find out the time difference in drafting position using same set of bikes and same test location

@randellgribben9772 Год назад

riding the same watts. and 2 runs in each direction

@scott5088 Год назад

Were they using the same tyres?

@UncleMike6653 Год назад

I would love for you to revisit this topic. But I would like you to ride the current bikes as well as past aero bikes and lightweight bikes from 10 years ago as well. It would be very interesting to see how much faster the newer bikes are or are not than bikes that old. So older aero bike vs newer aero bike, same thing as lightweight bikes.

@chrismoore-keish7476 Год назад

Thanks again for such a brilliant video. I was debating if I should trade in my Cannondale Caad 10 for an Areo to ride something different under foot. I'm keeping my Caad 10. When I want something different under foot, I'll pull my steel Pinarello Super Record out of the stable. Thanks again for all you do for the biking world.

@gcntech Год назад

Glad you're enjoying our videos!

@ridealoha2717 Год назад

Have 1 of each and love them both! The joy outweighs the differences.

@Carlostry Год назад

lol

@gcntech Год назад

One of each! Wow, very lucky 🙌 What if you had to choose one?

@ridealoha2717 Год назад

@@gcntechI couldn't which is why I have two lol. I started with my lightweight bike for riding the mountains of Colorado. Now have the aero for riding with the trade winds in Hawai'i. Yes, I am VERY lucky indeed! ⛰🏝😀

@ridealoha2717 Год назад

@@gcntech I did the same test as you did for a particular ride (flat, climb, undulating) and my lightweight bike was faster with flats than my aero bike with clipless pedals.42k 1:47:40 on flats vs 1:55:41 on aero clipless. My cranksets are different though Semi-compact vs compact. Is there a video there comparing the times of the various cranksets? Standard, Semi, and Compact chainsets?

@jodydoucette1581 Год назад

What tire setup was used .love these kinds of comparison videos!

@christosandreev6392 Год назад

Great video. Here is another good idea for a video: Where are your watts better spent? On climbs or on flats? Go on the same mixed terrain and do tried with the same bike. On one try, try going z2 on the flat and threshold on the climbs and z1 on the descends. On the other try go Z3 throughout the whole course. Try averaging the same watts. This is how we can see where are watts worth spending.

@jeffservaas Год назад

higher efforts on the climbs are proven to pay bigger dividends.

@krishnansrinivasan830 Год назад

I might be wrong...but the weight of the Aero bike also played to it's advantage on the descent :) Nice video :)

@huntos83 Год назад

I think an important consideration is that in both friendly group rides and road races, the big efforts and attacks tend to be on the hills, even in a race situation alot of the riding on the flats it’s relatively steady state and not too challenging to keep pace. In this regard the balance of what bike is faster over a course could swing the other way, even a fairly flat course with a couple of steep kickers could favour a lightweight bike if that is where the attacks happen.

@JackMott 8 месяцев назад

Those big attacks on the hills will be faster with the aero bike.

@JackMott 8 месяцев назад

like do the math guys, look up how much heavier the bike is, look at the CdA difference, run it through a calculator. Don't need quantum mechanics to work it out

@clb4947 7 месяцев назад

@@JackMottstill new to cycling: What's CdA? And how does it make attacks on climb more performant for aero bikes? just curious

@JackMott 7 месяцев назад

@@clb4947strong cyclists are going fast enough on climbs that wind resistance is still significant, and aero bikes are only a couple hundred grams heavier. thats out of like 70,000gram system weight so it isn’t very significant. People tend to think of this tradeoff as if aero bikes were 5kg heavier or as if air doesn’t exist on hills.

@JackMott 7 месяцев назад

@@clb4947CdA is coefficient of drag times frontal area, using that and a given speed you can compute drag force, or compute how fast a cyclist will hold at a given power.

@emmabird9745 Год назад

Hi guys, I like the video. The weight difference is 2 bidons then. I think you are right when you point out the comparative difference in weight + rider, and Alex (heavier rider) was noticeably lower power in descent (more gravity assist!). I'm not likely to be buying a next bike, though I've long wanted a titanium bike. What difference does aero make? A story from my own experience then. About 20 years ago, when deep rim wheels were rare and expensive, I had a 1 hour 40 minute (23 mile) commute (no I didn't do it every day) with 2 down hill, 2 up (both steep) and a fair amout of flat. I designed a home made aero wheel based on a article in "aerodynamic drag" by Hoerner which comprise a ring of "corex" plastic (light weight twin wall) about 3 inches (76mm) trapped in the spokes, front wheel only, otherwise exactly the same bike. On two consecutive rides with similar warm still conditons I saved 6 minutes with the aero. Thats 6% faster. I would always choose aero because ny rides are long, have a lot of flat and inevitably into wind.

@appakinggg Год назад

Interesting, they say the faster you are going, aero component becomes exponentially more important. By this logic im thinking in a strong headwind on flat, the aero bike might be much more efficient also?

@cristiansan Год назад

very usefull, thanks

@generic_cyclist Год назад

I’d love to know how it changes for an actual event or group ride when holding the wheel is so important meaning every time there is gradient you would need to surge more for the extra kilos to stay on the wheel plus the aero effect would be reduced in the draft. This would even work on the ‘flat’ (rollers) like was seen in the pro +\- 20 kg video from awhile ago. Maybe it comes out in the wash without the aero but Would love to see a comparison where you maintain speed instead of power (like the pro +\- 20 kg vid) maybe in a group setting too to see the different effort required or how many matches you’d have to burn.

@anthonyward5329 Год назад

I agree. The question is where does the separation happen on a group ride? Assuming people are of roughly similar ability then the separation nearly always happens on the climbs. You’re not going to drop someone of similar ability on the flat just because you’re on an aero bike and they’re not.

@stuartmisfeldt3068 Год назад

Nice set!

@chrisridesbicycles Год назад

Combined with what Dan Bigham said about the aero suit being just a little advantage over bibs and jersey, the difference was 99% Ollie‘s aero socks. The differences are completely insignificant for me in a Gran Fondo, it‘s mainly about how much strength work I do and how long I can hold the aero position.

@gcntech Год назад

Are you a fan on Aero or lightweight bikes? For us mortals there are some big changes to be made in training and prep 🙌

@EdoLanfranchi Год назад

I really like the Ollie final comment: climb is what cycling it's all about! I’ll chose lightweight for the rest of my life, off course if the producer company will improve the aero of this bike I not affecting the weight I'll like it

@janwillemkuilenburg7561 Год назад

Great studio! I advise some acoustic treatment that will bring down the reverberation time (echo).

@niceracleous9999 Год назад

Aero v lightweight, just have both! Go rim brake, i have and f10 that weighs 6.7kg with bottle cages and power meter included.

@Immortal__ 4 месяца назад

F10?

@niceracleous9999 4 месяца назад

Pinarello f10

@simonrook5743 Год назад

Great final comment from Ollie, at the end of the day it’s enjoying the ride and for each of us, what gives most enjoyment, is different. Like Ollie I have a perverse pleasure in beasting myself on climbs so lightweight for me. Plus a fund a lighter ‘snappier’ bike more ‘fun’.

@gcntech Год назад

THIS ☝

@wojciechanzel7319 6 месяцев назад

exactly the movie i needed on the day when Im looking for a new bike. Need to show this to wife - "see, i need aero one!". thanks guys! even though im mostly climbing, and theres ton to cut in other places (rider weight, clothes etc)... plus - 1kg difference between bikes is a bidon of water full/empty...

@Fatamorgana7ifly Год назад

Great little test. Have any of you ever testet the danish brand Pronghorn? or Python for that sake?? Could be great if you did some reviews and testing in Denmark as well since we are many cyclists just as keen of bicycling as GCN folks.

@mat_from_ballarat Год назад

With regard to Ollie's point about only noticing the weight penalty of the aero bike when accelerating, this makes me think that the lighter bike is better when racing and responding to regular attacks. But then again, if you're using less power when rolling along on the aero bike, maybe you've got more left in the tank for those attacks. Or to actually initiate one. Something I'm not inclined to do myself.

@Gigadenza Год назад

The reasons why Ollie gained a relative 20 seconds over Alex on the lightweight bike up the ascent - and was almost a minute faster over both the flat and climb segments - was because he averaged 30 watts more throughout each and weighs 10kg less. Curious as to why you didn’t match your watts per kilo? Then if any discrepancy had still existed between your times - relative to each other - we could have been certain it was down to a combination of body shape & riding technique! Regardless, entertaning and informative as always!

@HirYoshima Год назад

Gotta love Ollies smirk now that he's not the one getting dropped. Also love that you make him out to be kinda like a super hero with the rock n roll!

@gcntech Год назад

Hahaha he won't let us forget how fit he's become 😂

@victor-olivierbeaudoin1293 Год назад

Love the video! Would love to see a follow up video on a lightweight-aero bike. Do you think it's possible to have the best of both worlds? For example, the new SUM Pro from Argon 18 is supposed to be as aero as their aero bike (Nitrogen) and as light as their lightweight bike (gallium).

@gcntech Год назад

Did you catch this aero vs modern we made over on GCN? 👉 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-j_5IPIg7ees.html

@donball370 Год назад

Good one Chaps. Lean machine Ollie can enjoy tapas now that "being dropped" has been dropped from the Bridgewood lexicon. Well supported by Alex. Roll on more from GCN Tech

@sampetty5768 Год назад

Great video! What was the mathematical model used!? And how do you find the CdA of a bike?

@croninnicholas9063 Год назад

Don’t forget that some people (like me) would want the aero bike at the weight of the lightweight bike, just to help getting up the climb.

@jcbcreatives Год назад

Ollie is loving the hills wow . Should get a signing from a pro team anytime soon . happy days

@gcntech Год назад

He sits in GCN megabase everyday just waiting for the contract to arrive at the door!

@iwanta400ftp8 Год назад

This is the big question for me. I want to buy the Canyon Aeroad CF SLX or the Ultimate SLX depending what is faster. My bw is 64.4 kg and I am more an "Allrounder" or your typical GC Rider. I can sustain 335 Watts for an hour. And my Race calendar includes everything from Flandern (hilly) to the real big Mountain Race with 5000 m of elevation and not to forget big classic races like LBL where Aero Kicks for energie saving during the race. My personal preferences would be the Canyon Aeroad CFR. It is Close to the Ultimate from the weight and it is aero. But funny fact ask me in three days and I say Ultimate. So far i can only afford one bike. What would you do ?

@MrBensa Год назад

I live in the Midwest USA, where hills are quite rare, so I would definitely go with an aero bike to take advantage of the ever-present flats.

@robbchastain3036 Год назад

Thanks, GCN, and I never tire of these comparisons, tho' it seems they are pretty much equal. And my decision would be made on looks, I like dropped stays but not the severe ones, so here I would choose the light bike. But color is important, too, and price, of course. And I'm happy for aero fans that they have aero bikes. :)

@gcntech Год назад

Nothing wrong with thinking about the looks! The most important thing is you are excited to go out riding. Ride the bike that fires you up 🔥

@alastairstedman7840 Год назад

I've already picked areo for my next bike Busy building up an AR Advanced Disk framset.

@Sprocketboy1956 Год назад

Enjoyed this video, although of course the heavier bike is always going to be faster downhill, whether aero or not. Although I am a heavier rider (85 kg) and not much of a climber, I would still go with the lightweight bicycle for the responsiveness but there is a lot to be said for comfort for long rides.

@ciaranmcmahon3024 Год назад

Nice test, were the wheels on both bikes of the same quality, standard ? Feel a deviation here would skew the test results. Also were you both consistent in your position, ie in the drops on flats etc !

@uriskall Год назад

I find the Aero bikes look really nice. Given that is true... I like the lighter bike.... cost difference is definitely a factor... Aero bikes in general cost more...

@mattrostle Год назад

What about a similar comparison on gravel? Does a light bike help more on rough dirt roads with possible steeper sections? Does aero matter as much at slower speeds on dirt roads?

@Loganniee Год назад

this Video so helpful. Can u compare with Semi aero bike such as Cervelo Soloist Cervelo R5 (Light weight) Cervelo Soloist (Semi aero) Cervelo S5 (Aero)

@geothunder1971 8 месяцев назад

I chose the Orbea Orca OMX, aero where it needs to be, and it climbs like a dream. Best of both worlds, can't wait to see Team Lotto/Dstny rocking Orbea next year! Campenaerts is going to love the Orca Aero!

@Millicente Год назад

People always say you can "feel" a lightweight bike when you ride because of the fast acceleration and the instant reaction when you pound the pedal on a climb. Is there anything equivalent on the aero bike? Like do you feel anything or is it just a case of averaging higher watts without realizing since you're getting more watts per same effort? I ask because for someone who isn't interested in shaving seconds off a little weekend ride or even minutes off a long one, a difference in feel would be something I notice and would enjoy having. There's also the fact that at the budget/mid range, something like the canyon ultimate and aeroad only differ by 400-600g on a complete stock build. I imagine less in just the frame.

@michaelsrealm9365 Год назад

Very good segment, gentleman! I'm in the same conundrum with my next bike. However, I am with Olie on riding mountainous terrain, so a lightweight bike is so far the winner. Also, what is the cockpit of the CFR?

@dougmarbourg1208 Год назад

I have a 2021 Venge pro…Same carbon layup as the Venge S-Works, and well…It looks fantastic! 30 seconds more/less/same than my lightweight Tarmac doesn’t matter when I get goosebumps every time I look at the bike! LOL! Too bad Specialized discontinued that frame…Best looking ever IMO.

@MikeFroom Год назад

@GCN Tech, how to optimise aero for a bike trip (backpacking and trekking)?

@matthiasmoder9119 Год назад

@GCN Tech can you do this test also for a deepsection wheel vs a climbing wheel?

@ShadLife Год назад

I still don't own a road bike. I have an all-road bike and a drop bar mountain bike (Salsa Fargo), but I do wonder about these factors because even if not on a road bike these sorts of things still make a difference. I would be curious about how much stack height affects time and effort. My guess would be a lower stack height, obviously keeping reach the same, would be faster. But at what cost to comfort? Could being more upright allow you more ability to put power down over a longer distance? But then again, if you have to overcome aerodynamics that effort might be wasted. My issue with most road bikes is that they are not very comfortable for longer distances so I am reluctant to get one. I did own one a few years ago, before the gravel bike craze, and I put Specialized riser drop bars on it because I felt too far leaned forward.

@marty9464 Год назад

I'm curious if the wheels and tires were identical on both bikes..... surely that would affect the results if they weren't! I'm actually working on this same issue currently... I have a 2017 Trek Domane S (my aero) and am building up a 1992 Trek 5200 to be fairly light and clearly not as aero. It'll be interesting to see the difference!

@stevemawer848 Год назад

The wheels would be chosen for the type of bike - aero wheels for the aero bike and lightweight wheels for the lighweight one. They're testing the whole package, not just the frame and groupset..

@emmabird9745 Год назад

Hi Alex, where did you get your aero snack box? It looks rather useful.

@hampuspersson7855 10 месяцев назад

Would have been nice to have this comparison between the Canyon ultimate and aeroad or other models that share the same geometry!

@badhusin Год назад

I'm in the 50s...and I am not into racing, so I am not into the fast lane. My questions would be - can I ride in those 3 conditions (uphill, flat, and downhill)? Flat and downhill? Definitely can. How fast can I go? I don't really care - if I can make 30, 35 or 40 km/h at my age, I already feel good. Uphill? Now, that is something else. Again, as you grow older, pumping your heart like as though you are in the 30s might not be a good idea. I don't know about watts but I know my heart and I can feel it strain whenever I go uphill. So, if you ask me which one I prefer, then I guess it would be the lightweight ones. I can still ride 'fast' at the flats and downhills and I can ride fairly with ease whenever I face uphill challenge. But this is just me.

@stevencrispin3796 Год назад

Ok, but if you were running a very high end bike, where the minimum UCI weight limit governed overall weight, an aero bike like the Aeroad CFR with some lighter aero wheels than those it comes standard with - Caden 65’s, for example - versus an Ultimate CF SLX with similar depth wheels - if the weight were the same, it’d be a no brainer, right? Or is there something else that might make an aero bike slower on a climb?

@richaw6689 Год назад

IMHO Get both.. or make your aero bike as light as you can. For me, gearing matters on a GF ride too, and use aero clothing (judging by your other recent vid!) great vid Btw!

@neilwillis4694 Год назад

Adding a Triathlon Bike to the mix would have been interesting. I'm doing a 70.3 ironman this year, and over 90km how much faster would a TT bike be than my current Aero road bike?

@atharvasamant581 Год назад

A question, would you buy a bike if it's light weight (under 5kg) and also aerodynamic? (2 in 1)

@garryelsdon6296 Год назад

Another great video. I couldn't help but notice you passed so slower riders going up the hill. Probably they could benefit more from a lightweight bike. Wouldn’t the benfits of an aero bike only cone into play once you are averaging more than 35km similar to aero wheels. Would like to see similar test done with some of newer lightweight aero bikes.

@fabioqueiros9322 Год назад

In other videos related to this, they have said a lightweight bike is only advantageous if the gradient goes over 6%. Apparently that is when the gravity is more of a resistance factor against the cyclist than the air resistance

@PhiyackYuh Год назад

How are the slower riders going to benefit a difference of 2kg when those slower riders dont have strong legs or carrying extra weight on their belly most likely 5-10kg? How much you pay for extra lightweight vs losing those beer belly? Most punters would not want to put in the work to shed body fat but more likely to empty their wallet to pay difference of a kilo or two for lightweight bike.

@randellgribben9772 Год назад

lets see ,the bike weighs 7 kilos.. then you sit on it, you weigh 80 kilos... now what does the bike weigh? yes a bikes that weighs 15 kilos would not be any fun to ride.. but the bikes weight is mute, once you sit on it,, as you ride you can think to yourself,,, well the bike weighs 7 kilos..over and over again to make yourself feel better, i guess

@JonReid Год назад

@@randellgribben9772 isn’t that also true of a bike offering a 0.02 improvement in CDA. Add the rider and that difference becomes inconsequential.

@mighelone Год назад

What is the cx difference between the two bikes used in MyWindSock?

@qzrnuiqntp Год назад

I will need a bike for triathlon. Wich one would be better? Depends on the road (flat or hilly) and my position on the bike? Or, I just need a lightweight aerobike.

@willross5108 Год назад

Do the same study wherein you have attacking style riding instead of steady on the flat and steady on the climb, more like a race with repeated accelerations and then slower sections as well.

@johnarleentaninecz2867 Год назад

What is the cost difference and are the wheels similar or drastically different?

@hockysa 9 месяцев назад

i think I'm leaning towards a lightweight bike for myself. As someone that relatively light and only puts out about 100W my power to weight ratio might struggle to make the most of the aerodynamic benefits (also based on me not buying the latest and greatest lightweight aero bike). Living next to a large hill I'm assuming I'd stand more to gain from the climb, versus the watt savings on the descent (also taking into account my lack of descent skills) I could be wrong about my assumptions though.

@charlestaylor3195 Год назад

Is there such a thing as a bike triathelon. Start with a gravel bike and track, then switch to a mountain bike and track, and end with a road bike and track. There would be such a mix of riders, but who would win? By the way I would love to try an aero bike, I can always feel and hear my wind resistance and I'd love to slice right through some of that.

@lambo79 Год назад

That 80s soundtrack..😂🎉 pls do another one, for drafting gains for both bikes!

@aanonymuss3603 Год назад

I have 1 aero light 7.2kg de Rosa super king 2. Scott addict r3, 6.34kg with cl24 Dura Ace 3. Scott addict newer with some aero & aero wheels I am less tired using the aero bikes, I plan to put aero wheels on the bike… adding Aero influences, & optimised tires makes a positive difference. I would be like Ollie!

@tomaszzegarlicki4839 11 месяцев назад

Could you compare Canyon Ultiamte from this video with Dogma F ?

@jonathanzappala Год назад

This was still a good experiment by though because a normal ride is on a road with changing conditions and other cars. My only criticism would be did you hold the same hand positions on the flat? I assume climbing on the hoods and descending on the drops, but the amount of time in what position of the flats would have a significant effect on the result if they were not the same.

@edymarkonthego4096 Год назад

I’ve been waiting this experiment. Now i know which bike for me. Comfort is more important.

@philipplorenz9485 Год назад

another great video lads! actually my favourite ride seems to be some kind of Frankenstein-Bike: a pretty light Ridley Fenix SL with some more endurance orientated geometry. A convenient position is with one 0.5mm spacer. Bike is equipped with rimbrakes and 60mm carbon aero wheels. rideready at 7.1kg. light and aero :-)

@gcntech Год назад

It sounds fast 🚀🚀

@philipplorenz9485 Год назад

@@gcntech right. You can't blame the bike;-)

@Richard-Mac Год назад

Feels like deja-vu. Another which bike type is best, shortly followed by another which tyre pressure is best, then which tyre width is best....

@richardstoner866 Год назад

Ollie is quality…✊

@robertgray9807 Год назад

Given that when I get dropped it's almost always on climbs, I'd opt for the aero bike and have a solid excuse. That said, I ride a bike that makes me happy because of its ability to perform in all terrains and is especially sharp in twisty descents and cornering, a Pinarello Dogma F 10. In short ride the bike on which you feel the best.

@adaycj Год назад

Practical testing is always good. It has uncovered many cases where things are more complex than they seem. Wider tires and lower pressures are an example. In this case, anyone who understood a well taught physics course knows that the areo bike is faster on varied terrain. Aero wins on flats, areo wins at speed (including descents). Lightweight only helps climbing, and the savings may be partly canceled by aero and flex (possibly) only giving a partial advantage. The difference of only 0.5 kg is also not a lot. In best bike split I added 4# (1.8kg) to my bike and it added less than 10 minutes to a 100 mile MTB race. I'd say it got it about right. Now if I could only lose 10kg, I'd be more areo and faster on climbs..

@JDWong1 Год назад

Great video, however I am more torn regarding my next purchase than ever before. On one hand I love the thought of aero and speed gains. On the other, I live in a hilly area and the thought of missing out on the lightweight gains would trouble me.

@gcntech Год назад

Ummm hard choice! What do you prefer to ride, zipping up hills or tucking in and speeding across the flats? 👀

@JDWong1 Год назад

@@gcntech solo rides in the hills of Caledon, Ontario Canada (GCN or GTN should come for a visit as we have great rides as well as a very large triathlon base and training group) but I am happiest when I can improve upon my times on repeated rides. Hoping to try out one of the new Scott aero options or find a local bike shop offering Pinarello options.

@SteveH51 Месяц назад

I’ve got both! lol I love both….what about deeper wheels on my climbing lightweight bike 😩

@MrMattie725 Год назад

I'm pretty light and like climbing, so I bought an aero bike! My thinking was that that way, I can follow my friends on the flat and I'll destory them a little less uphill :D Also, I live in Flanders. We don't have hills longer than two minutes.

@thebudgetcyclist4310 Год назад

How many times can they make the same video, I’ve seen a title similar to this like 10 times on this channel

@stulletrudat5196 8 месяцев назад

our body is like 75% of the aero part - so with the aero bike being driven in the hoods against a lightweight bike being driven in aero position - i dont see how you can compare that?

@danwarren8010 Год назад

Same event but total watts over the course when one drafts the other. My guess is that weight will come out less. A smart rider drafts when possible. You are right as this represents a TT