Thanks ReDriven team! It's really important that you guys keep doing what you're doing which is bringing your top quality objective content to the (IMO) echo-chamber which is RU-vid. Keep up the good work!
I owned a 116i with the N43 engine, and it wasn't that bad, the timing chain didn't fail and the rest also didn't fail. But the engine felt really slow and not fun, despite the 6-Speed Manual
Ah the old V6 Commodores! I owned a VN that I inherited from my Dad who had it from new and took meticulous care of it - all services and no modifications. Was my first RWD manual car that I drove. Handled like a tugboat but you could buy parts for it practically on the street corner. It was a thief, bogan and police magnet. If it was parked anywhere one of the three groups representatives would be inevitable standing near it: Bogans usually asking to buy it, heroin addicts/thieves running off after realising that stealing a manual car was a no go or the Road Patrol examining it for defects/modifications/profiling.
3 cars that come to mind as overrated tuners are; VW Golf Mitsubishi Magna/Lancer Subaru WRX I see so many of these that have been 'modded' (*cough* molested *cough*) that it's beyond the joke and most of the mods have been done poorly. Got a much needed laugh from the description of the VN and VP Crumbledoores Adam and hope none of your extended family were watching the video or it may make things awkward for you lol 😆. Good video guys and I'm looking forward to Friday's video as I'm guessing it's going to be either a European wagon or Japanese forbie lol 😆.
I agree with you, except for the Magna... I don't see many of them around being tuned and they're probably underrated in fact in the actual tuning world...
I love the v6 commodores, but apart from adding a set of nice looking wheels, brakes, handling ect they are usually stupid to mod. No point putting an exhaust one one, just keep it stock. Makes us true fans get trashed for liking ‘bogan’ cars when in reality some Holden commodores and utes were actually really good and drove amazing
Thank god someone finally came out and said it about the Commodore. Such a good vehicle in so many ways, but the way they're bastardised into bogan chariots by tasteless dopes is a sad way for them to end their days.
re: 3 series. It is why I chose my 2006 330i - the N52 is the last perfect BMW NA engine. With the full M-Sport kit is just the right amount of modification.
Great video and pretty spot on you should do a follow up series on this 😂 says the bloke who straight piped his LS 430 any faster! No but damn it sounds like 0-100 in 3 secs 😂😂😂
That's a good list and the only way I'd get a RX8 is to do a K24 swap to make it reliable. And while I don't have any issues preventing me from driving a manual, I do like how you guys put that disclaimer in there for those that might. It's very thoughtful and nice of you guys.
I'm going to disagree with the TT Lamborghini's, simply because there's one thing that every EV is missing that TT Lambo's/Audi R8's have, and that's the sound. Sure, EV's are faster, but they don't have the soul or the emotion that a 5.0 or 5.2 V10 screaming behind you will have, regardless if its TT or not. But apart from that, I agree with that list.
Silly to include the n/a auto Supra. Can still slap a turbo on, send more fuel, couple of other supporting mods and you’ve got a reliable 500hp car (yes the a340 is fine upto 600whp). All done for under 10k. That’s a good deal for a cool car at the end of the day.
7:45 No. BMW E9x 335 isn't overrated, at least not as overrated as the Lexus IS250 which you mentioned in number 5. Yes, they are unreliable if not maintained properly, but with Msport suspension and a manual they are fun to drive, the N54 is highly tunable and they are still brilliant daily drivers.
Who the hell tune these exact BMW's. Some wheels and bumpers yes, but no one messes with these engines to actually tune them. The mentioned E9x 4 cyl 3 series are not considered 'tuner cars' by any means.
Auto supras make for a heaps cheaper drag car, than the other supras! You can still put a bit of boost through them and even heaps more boost if you build the engine 😅 But, I get your point
The buick v6 is great engine with huge potential... ever heard of a buick gnx? The 2.5 v6 lexus is a slug of an engine with zero aftermarket support. The lexus is also much newer the comparison is odd.
While I do agree with your list, a V6 Commodore is far from slow and although the VN/VP is considered a terrible car by today's standards, they're still fun to drive in my opinion... A friend of mine used to own a 1989 VN Commodore with the 4spd and the mang, that thing had a "hair trigger" throttle (due to the carryover VL floorplan) and felt really quick, though everything around the engine was utter crap, especially towards the end... Also, another thing I have to add is both the 4 cyl 3 Series and the V6 Commodore are owned by P-Platers, so I'm not sure they're considered tuner cars... End rant 👍
I had a VN commodore (1990) for 17 years, that was actually pretty good. Nothing but oil changes for the first 15 years, then the coil pack went (big deal) then not long after the harmonic balancer- thats all! Paint was'nt the best, fit and finish was just ok and the seats looked old pretty fast. But, quite fun, lots of power, RWD, no ABS ESC, just you heaps of power, a live rear axle and the road!
@@lundsweden Yeah, this example that I'm talking about had over 300,000km towards the end of it's time, the car was fully serviced and the engine would just keep going, though there was quality issues from the start and the old slush box was on its way out towards the end... The engine was reliable but the constant issues with leaks, rust and general poor quality was what wrecked the VN's towards the end...
@@lundsweden A.K was missing the point of the VN/VP Commodore to be honest... It's one of those cars that have terrible driving characteristics that they're actually fun ;)
@@vladislavdimitrov4646 It's a driving restriction in Australia which means "Probationary" This means that they have certain restrictions a normal driver wouldn't have because they're new drivers just starting to drive
I'm curious if anything you said about the commodore applies to the opel omega/vauxhall carlton since the commodore was based on them,if yes my heart is slightly broke,but i still want to buy one an 1uz swap it
I agree with the v6 Commodore for sure, but I have to say I owned a vs 5 speed wagon back in the day and it had some wanker mods. Funny enough this thing was a freak car cause I've owned alot of them and this thing was an animal, I don't know how but it would fry the tyres in second gear half foot it was that nuts. As overrated as they are there's something special about the vl to vs era for myself, the vl being at the top for sure.
I owned two wanker spec VN's back to back in the early 2000s haha & I agree. Unrefined as shit and handled just as well, but I loved them both. Would've killed for a 5 speed though; both mine were autos. Back then of course you could easily find a "good" one for $7k or less, and they made a lot of sense to me at the time.
@@chrisnewton2325 damn, would've loved to have been that buyer. I had an urge to hunt down a VL Calais turbo not long ago until I saw what they're going for now...
I love when a car channel… A CAR CHANNEL tells its viewers that it’s better to own a Tesla than a lambo. Because if a Tesla has a quick 0-60, it’s obviously the same in every way.
You forgot dual cab utes.... all of them. Btw my l67 5spd vt can embarrass a lot of things on the road. Mangs are not all terrible things. Think gnx in the U.S.
hey... can or have you done a review of the GOOD Honda Accord/Civic 2dr coupes with the 4cylndr manuals please... the ones that are from this century PLEASE!? thnx... good vids and your delivery is interesting and quite entertaining... ;0) M
It's no news, BMW doesn't know how to build 4 cylinders and V8 engines...except maybe for the B48, and it seems Toyota was involved in the design and development of that engine.
@@peteh3313 the S14 and B48 are the only decent 4 cyl engines BMW made. oh, actually toyota helped them learn how to make a reliable i4 (b48) and i6 engines (b58). Their V8s however are straight up dogshit (S65 at least sounded good)
@@zhila5958 BMW was always making reliable I6 engines, until they put turbochargers in the N54 which made them less reliable... The M44 1.9 litre was also known to be a reliable engine as well, if maintained like most BMW engines... Their V8's before the N62 were okay, even though they had a few issues though the early N63 is the pick of the worst BMW V8 engine...
@@MartinJones123 the thing is, they still had the “little BMW” issues here and there, but i do agree that they used to make decent i6 engines like the M50 lineup, the S62 4.9L V8 in the e39 wasn’t bad to be fair. the N63 however is among the worst engines ever made
Okay now I would have to highly disagree with you on the BMW’s. The e90 325i had an inline 6 cylinder engine NOT A 4 Cylinder. This platform has engines with a lot of potential. The N53 engine with stock internals and a bolt on turbo or supercharger kit and a good ecu tune can see numbers as high as 650rwhp. In fact I have a e92 325i with a bolt on turbo kit and ecu tune making a very reliable 575hp on 3psi boost. Have had it daily driving me for 3 years not and haven’t missed a beat besides the typical valve cover gasket leak. So please do your research and inform yourself properly before making irrelevant and false content!
A e92 325i with stock internals and a turbo kit can comfortably be pushing around the 500rwhp mark but will also cost you under $30,000Aud. And for 30k I don’t think you could find a very good performing, good looking, comfortable, luxurious car that can make most of the regular traffic get anxious. So is it overrated or do you not know what you’re even talking about???
I have to highly disagree on the v10 twin turbo vehicles (Gallardo, Huracan & R8). Those vehicles which are obviously modified compared to a Camry obviously is very expensive. I would say it’s a very unfair argument to say that a model S plaid is better as the tesla is a family practical sedan not made to perform like a supercar. Now on the topic of twin turbo v10 Supercars those vehicles with a twin turbo kit can comfortably push upto 1800hp on stock internals and when internals are done you can see number in the high 2 thousands or even 3 thousands. Now let’s say a 1800hp Gallardo with stock internals and only a bolt on kit firstly will make any hypercar look funny that has a price tag 100x more than a twin turbo Gallardo but also with the sound, acceleration and performance that they have other makes the tesla look sad. Ps watch tesla model s plaids vs twin turbo v10’a and then you can say the tesla is quicker! Also a twin turbo kit for those v10 motors cost between $25,000-$50,000 Aud ( done right) meaning for under $400,000 you could have a relatively reliable 1800hp monster that could our preform any hypercar that’s obviously in the millions of $. So please think before you make these irrational comments.
nah thats bullshit what you said about those old commies, because most of them look mint when lowered on a nice set of wheels and a v6 calais makes for a great cruiser, I'm a Ford man too. I'm on my Ps and I've got an EL Fairmont Ghia which I've lowered and done an exhaust of and its a fantastic cruiser, and don't think the same clientel who enjoy classic aussies car will buy a Lexus, you missed the mark on this one Redriven
But Bogans be Bogans in their v6 commodore. Rx8s are like 4k here in Manitoba Canada. My millionaire friend has one in his garage he's got no intrest in fixing it (just a flat tire from sitting) and would sell it to me cheap. But I got no intrest in it.
@@tomnewham1269 I know. But I’m pretty sure AK said modifying any 6 cyl commodore (regardless of model) is a waste of time. My interpretation was anything ecotech N/A or S and alloytec, not just limited to ecotec VN and VP. But I could be wrong.
@@shanecameron7869 The V6 in the VN, VP and VR commodores was not called Ecotech. The Ecotech motor was first used in the VS model and was last used in the VY model.
@@christopherjohnston6343 same with the JZS147 I owned a built one (on my channel cheeky plug lol) owned a supra before it and the Aristo was honestly such a better car comfy 4 door supra
Oh mate we’re not denying they are insanely fast, as was the 800hp Evo we reviewed, but as impressive as they are, we wonder what the point is? Especially when (at least in NSW) using that performance on road is hugely dangerous and legally impossible. - AK
@@ReDriven but almost every single TT V10 goes roll racing, to the drags or to Airport 1/2 mile races, and you say buy a drag car, but in roll racing and 1/2 mile, they are the top dogs. The couple hundred dollars for these events are a small price to pay to be able to use these cars to their limits. It’s like saying track cars shouldn’t exist because you can’t use them on the road?
i know why they modify old commodores. its because they are mean cheap skid pigs 😂 thats the reason why my brother is obsessed with them. he loves just burning rubber
Love all your videos mate but if u are actually comparing a v10 lambo with a tesla i really dont know aye!! Like you better than anyone else should know you cant compare a legend with a battery on wheels i really dont know why you guys promote evs like this!
Mate I used to think the same thing, until I drove a P100D. We’re not promoting the Tesla and I personally wouldn’t buy one but for what they cost and what they’re capable of, they make far more sense than a lambo with a turbo kit. - AK
@@ReDriven yes i agree twin turboing an already greatly engineerd car is stupid but without it a v10 lambo is impressive those cars are the ones who made all of us love cars , there is nothing impressive about a tesla or an ev for that matter it just feels like all the media is pushing and shoving the evs down our throats , i watch your videos cuz you say what you mean from the heart and you guys who knows a lot better than us should know evs are not at all the future or is it impressive or exciting
@@MartinJones123 G'day mate, yes stumbled across the channel as it was recommended because I watch a lot of Commodore videos. Thanks for watching our channel and supporting a fellow RU-vidr on this channel!
Like the commodore, really I do, but anyone and I mean anyone who sticks an exhaust on a v6 is a total wanker, that goes for any 6 cylinder. And that alloytec is possibly the most horrible sounding engine ever to grace a p platers hands. Also the supra has one of the best looking interiors of any car...and I am not a supra fan.
It may simply be age, but I'd disagree, hemi inline 6's, and the traditional Holden red, blue and black sixes benefited immensely from extractors and an exhaust. Still, I suppose thats the past, time gone by, and all that. Probably never hear a Tower of Power breathe in anger again.
I think the old SOHC Falcon 6 cylinder engines sounded pretty good with the right exhaust honestly. Not all 6 cylinders sound terrible. Mostly I6's sound good with an exhaust, its the V6's that don't sound the greatest and sound like trumpets.
depends on the tune, depends on the product and exhaust set up, depend on whether the owner is tone death. goes for ALL engines inline 4s, 6s, v6s and v8s.
Fu**ety Fu** Fu** I'll give you some of them but you lost me at Supra and Lambo.. wtf does Common sense have to with buying a Lamborghini let alone making it even faster?
