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Top 5 Reasons Teardrop Campers are BETTER Than Other RV's 

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@paulenright
@paulenright Год назад
Myself and my wife recently retired and we bought a used teardrop trailer ,the kids asked "where our we suppose to sleep" I say in the tent ⛺ they say we're not coming and I say good less stuff to pack ... after 26 years of camping and cleaning up after everyone it's been nice not having to crate around more junkie camping stuff and sort it all out after a week away. Now just hook up and go. By far the best purchase we've ever made in a long time 😀🎥❤... Janice myself look forward to fallowing along 👋✔
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures Год назад
Awesome! Happy camping!
@heiser_bill
@heiser_bill 3 часа назад
I like the idea of these for the reasons you mentioned. However as a life-long tent camper, my reasoning for considering a trailer is the ability to go year-round, and have a warm & dry place to sit inside, with a little table to eat or work. And it’s so I can bring my 2 cats vs leaving them home & worrying about them while I’m away (and limiting the duration of my excursions). Also I’m 6’ southerners to be sufficient length for me to sleep. I’m not sure if there’s a teardrop that would meet these needs, so I plan to rent one to see what it’s like in practice.
@tomdonaghy8757
@tomdonaghy8757 5 месяцев назад
My adult kids said at age 72 I should move From a tent, to a trailer, and I did. I always tented, 4 seasons. The trailer has all the comforts of a condo home including air-con and a queen bed, it is not camping! A teardrop looks like the sweet spot in between. Good summary.
@lynnthompson4875
@lynnthompson4875 Год назад
I've had my teardrop for about 7 years. The coolness factor is real! Lol
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures Год назад
😎
@derrickriedlinger1500
@derrickriedlinger1500 Год назад
I have an off grid tear drop camper , it’s amazing as I can camp in spots where there is no way your getting your second home into. I don’t like camping in places where there are 100s of other campers. I get some people love that and that’s awesome for them.
@halroark1
@halroark1 Год назад
I agree completely. The cost difference is also incomparable. Purchase, tax, registration, insurance, storage, camping usage, ongoing maintenance, repairs, and equipment costs, while real, are nothing compared to other rvs. This is the third season for my My Mini Trailer Serenity X model, and I couldn’t be happier. Happy adventures.
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures Год назад
Cheers!
@madfzr
@madfzr Год назад
Subbed u are cool! We had a 27 ft Fleetwood TT it was a nightmare moving it around & setting it up. Our truck was way underpowered for TT, but made it work. Best thing we did was sell/get rid of it. Teardrop would be fun! Thx for posting this
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures Год назад
Thanks for the sub!
@ralphfolden3273
@ralphfolden3273 Год назад
Fun video. I agree. When my wife and were first married we camped in a tent numerous times, We were both content with the tent but wanted something a little better than the tent. The first 2 campers were wornout used popups. Had they been in better condition they would have been fine, We had twins and tried to have better accomadations for them. First we purchased a used 20 foot upright and again it was in terrible condition. Finally, we traded it in on a new 27 foot upright. I had the same complaints about it as you had about yours. I used it 4 times in 10 years and was able to sell it only because I was able to keep it out of severe weather. I haven't had any campers since 2005 but often felt that a small popup or teardrop would be the most ideal. I am quite old now and I know I will never have another camper but certainly enjoy watching others on youtube camp. 😀
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures Год назад
Cool! Thanks for watching! Cheers’ 😁
@herrp8765
@herrp8765 Год назад
Thank you for sharing that, sir.
@anatolyloegering547
@anatolyloegering547 5 месяцев назад
Exactly why i will be buying one if these. But i am not happy just how much they cost for so little!😮
@lindaohia6938
@lindaohia6938 3 месяца назад
Buy a used. I got one for $6500
@MajorWeakness
@MajorWeakness Год назад
I agree. Just wish I could convince my wife to downsize
@Speedracerrr43232
@Speedracerrr43232 Год назад
I was in the market for a teardrop and it came down to either a teardrop or build out a van, after a lot of thought ( and it was a very close race) I chose a van and I definitely agree less is more and quick setups are great. Nice video!
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures Год назад
Thank you!
@flybonevet
@flybonevet Год назад
Great points! We are fellow nuCampers with the bigger sister - a TAB 320 - but I still feel exactly the same about all your points - especially #5. In fact it makes it so easy to notice fellow TAGs/TABs at the campground to just stop and say hello! So see you at the campground some day!
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures Год назад
Right on!
@whoyawitjanee8114
@whoyawitjanee8114 2 месяца назад
New Subbie here 🕊️ May The Lord continue to Bless you and your family on your journey in JESUS'S NAME AMEN 🌹
@ajf5823
@ajf5823 Год назад
I hate the fact that l am constantly bothered whenever l go anywhere with my teardrop. I can’t stop to enjoy a scenic view or get gas for my tow vehicle without being accosted and listening to the same questions and comments over and over again. I’ve had people walk right into my campsite to make comments and ask questions about my teardrop. I’m a camper, not a tour guide! Not everyone who camps in a teardrop is a people person who wants to engage in conversation. I wish people would respect other people’s personal space.
@herrp8765
@herrp8765 Год назад
That's what may keep me from buying one. I'm a friendly guy but do need my space.
@MyTentLife
@MyTentLife Год назад
I’ve had my teardrop for almost 2 months now and I get the same looks and people asking about it. I’ve had people pull up beside me at a red light and honk their horn to get my attention because they wanted to know about it. I love mine. About to take it out again for a couple days.
@casinobeachbum
@casinobeachbum Год назад
subbed you are a cool easy going dude I like you. happy camping.
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures Год назад
Thank you!
@austinwhipple1136
@austinwhipple1136 Год назад
I get comments and looks every time I take mine out.
@mikecarr1484
@mikecarr1484 Год назад
I like how easy mine is to winterize because I don’t have internal plumbing. Lol.
@warren6899
@warren6899 5 месяцев назад
From South Africa--- well, yes and no, living outdoors is great...... It's what it's all about..... When the weather plays along.... Then you discover the benefits of a small travel trailer. That you can live inside of when necessary (EG a 13' scamp) However, whatever you choose to tow, Being stealthy is not possible, For me that's a big part of roaming, to this end I've come full circle and converted my 2002 Landrover Discovery (goes by the name of thewherethefuckarewecar) into a sleep in fully self contained roaming rig. Also, I don't have to leave it somewhere when going rough roading and have to go back to it..... But, there is no one shoe fits all feet, and I don't mean to critisise teardrops, just adding to the conversation...... Perhaps to drop a stone in a very big lake...
@jsmrgen
@jsmrgen 4 месяца назад
Teardrop camping is like glorified tent camping and I 100% agree it feels like real camping, but it is not better considering modern camping.
@jazzis4u1
@jazzis4u1 3 месяца назад
Sorry, I imagine it’s a rainy day you can’t go outside can’t cook can’t go to the bathroom can’t stand up have to lay there wondering when the rain is going to stop. How fun!
@falconxvid
@falconxvid Год назад
Totally agree with you, those reasons are right on, I would add no 6. compare to a roof top tent, you can leave your rig on site without break down your setup and explore, no 7 compare to a van, you have a much more capable rig for offroading
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures Год назад
Great points!
@scottchudley8646
@scottchudley8646 Год назад
Couldn’t agree more with points 1-4 and yes, #5 was unexpected for my wife and I as well!
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures Год назад
Right on!
@mindfulkayaker7737
@mindfulkayaker7737 5 месяцев назад
I have a tear drop exactly the same as yours. I totally agree with your 5 points. I would like to add how easy I park around in a market using the two parking areas one in front of the other. Because the length of the car plus the trailer is exactly the length of two regular cars. The same happen in my house car driveway
@TCat-ve9qi
@TCat-ve9qi Год назад
I have a v6 ram1500 and I get 12mpg with a 22ft trailer, which I thought wasn’t great. With a teardrop it’s around 16mpg so just throwing that out there as it may be easier on the v8s but the v6s seem to really beat on gas mileage. (Non turbo v6 and not diesel) That being said, I totally agree with the less is more. I use to drive tractor trailer so I’m no rookie but smaller and less luxuries actually make for wayyy better memories and alone time with the wife…
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures Год назад
Cool, I didn’t even know there are 1/2 ton rams with v6 gas motors. I have 35” tires, which may reduce the gas mileage slightly. Thanks for watching!
@TCat-ve9qi
@TCat-ve9qi Год назад
​@@NowhereBoundAdventures True! and your welcome!
@parrishcanyon8015
@parrishcanyon8015 5 месяцев назад
I was in Beaver Utah pulling my squaredrop, getting gas and this group of Asian tourist were taking pictures with the trailer. It was cool factor for sure.
@dennisw.truman3325
@dennisw.truman3325 Год назад
We have the same model of teardrop camper. We pull ours with a 2011 Toyota Tacoma 4x4 pickup.
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures Год назад
Very cool!
@touringandtrails
@touringandtrails Год назад
Agree with all points. Upgraded fron tent camping and still get the "camping" experience. Every time we go out the teardrop gets attention. New subscriber.
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures Год назад
Thanks a lot! You have a new sub as well. Cheers!
@stephtraveler7378
@stephtraveler7378 10 месяцев назад
All great reasons. #3 is the key: You spend more time outside the camper and more time discovering the places you visit. Go a step farther and get a square-drop off the grip overland camper. Essentially a tear-drop on 'roids. It can go anywhere...
@BillyTpower
@BillyTpower Год назад
#5 lol, welcome to the club, that happens to us every day, and we bought our tag 5 years ago. Even happens with the neighborhood folks in our town.
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures Год назад
😎
@johnnymoran180
@johnnymoran180 11 месяцев назад
I found a used very nice condition Casita camper at a deal, and I've got to say being able to stand up and move around inside is the deal for me. Not to mention teardrop campers are so expensive for what you get....
@alanclarkson1921
@alanclarkson1921 Год назад
I totally agree. I was in your shoes. I had a 32' Gulf Stream for about 15 years. Got tired of hooking, towing, setting up, and tearing down. It was way more than I needed. Sold it, and bought a Flagstaff ePro E12RK (12 feet). SOOOO much better! Lighter, easier to maneuver, and easy setup and teardown. Just a much better way to go. Thanks for a great video!
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures Год назад
Thanks for watching!
@adventurefuel5172
@adventurefuel5172 10 месяцев назад
I agree with everything you said. My only comment would be flexibility. That’s the reason I went with a “square drop” as the dealer called it. I have everything a teardrop has. Slide out kitchen, power, entertainment, plus barn doors on the back so it can double as an equipment hauler. And it’s still fits in my garage.
@rufuspipemos
@rufuspipemos Год назад
Excellent video and I agree with every point. Teardrops are a lifestyle choice.
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures Год назад
For sure! Thank you for watching!
@SuperJohnnyO
@SuperJohnnyO 10 месяцев назад
The "Crap Factor" alone is reason enough to get a teardrop.
@marks.6501
@marks.6501 8 месяцев назад
I bought a 2019 T@G Boondock Edge in 2018 and we use it at least one weekend of month Fridays thru Sundays with a few exceptions when we went to Nashville TN to camp. My wife works to many hours. Another reason tear drops are better. The only problem (for my wife) is no bathroom, mainly a toilet. Side note took a tour of NuCamp and it was very cool. Who knows we might run into you sometime.
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures 8 месяцев назад
Sounds good! Thanks for watching!
@billayers2190
@billayers2190 6 месяцев назад
at an Aliner plus. It will give you a cassette toilet.
@magnuspym
@magnuspym Год назад
Agree: my 30 foot TT is anxiety inducing in any modern(crazy) traffic. I have to plan gas stops well ahead (truck stops preferred). And it costs me$1000 /winter season to store it indoors.
@minnesconsinprepping7856
@minnesconsinprepping7856 10 месяцев назад
Why would anyone pay that kind of money to store an RV? It's an RV. It's an OUTDOOR item. I store mine on a local RV lot for 79.00 a month. If I wanted a little "better" or rather, different lot, I could pay 130 a month....but.....I'll stick with the 79 bucks. If I wanted to go crazy, I could spend about 400 bucks, one time, on a cover for it, but then there's the issue of storing that, so....nah... I just have my RV guy check it out in the spring, give it a once over, and get on down the road!
@magnuspym
@magnuspym 9 месяцев назад
Indoor in Wisconsin. I'm 30 foot bumper to coupler/11 foot 2" tall ( standard "garage doors" are like 8' tall) ; I fear our 2-3 weeks of (our) 20 below winter would destroy the joints and seals on my $35K investment..@@minnesconsinprepping7856
@harborpatrol
@harborpatrol Год назад
I have a Vistabule Teardrop and try to boondock most of the time but when I stay at campgrounds I have 2-5 "TOURS" every day. People seem drawn to it.
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures Год назад
For sure!
@mikeboi4870
@mikeboi4870 Год назад
I bought an R pod 178 used 2014 model and its great, i got it cause my wife said if shes going camping with me it has to a little glampy bit she hasnt gone camping with me yet and im sorta regretting getting something that i cant fit in my garage. I had it parked in my 2 car tandem driveway and because its 9.5 feet tall it blocked the sunlight to our flower beds, so i had to find a place to park it. Luckily i got a bro with a half acre back yard but its 40 miles away, so prepping for a campout i have to take that into consideration and i just dont like it so far away. I might just trade it in and get what i want and forget about including my wife in my boondocking adventures 😢
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures Год назад
It’s not always easy to get the wife on board. Hope you can get out there and enjoy some adventures!
@cherylbarrett3443
@cherylbarrett3443 Год назад
I have to deal with backing up several times with my squaredrop. I am not very competent yet.
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures Год назад
Small trailers can be tough!
@paulsccna2964
@paulsccna2964 Год назад
And, for me, a teardrop, depending on your HOA or home, potentially can store it on the side of house during winter. With ease.
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures Год назад
Yes!
@jordancook1668
@jordancook1668 Год назад
Very good points a well articulated. I have a 27-ft travel trailer myself and can’t disagree with a single point, though I do love my trailer. The “feels like camping” point is perhaps the best I think. It kind of captures that feeling of a tent which I also enjoy, but eliminates the issues they have and adds some great creature comfort. I think a good overarching theme is downsizing in general. The number of enormous RVs on the road kind of perplexes me. I understand the appeal, they are beautiful. But talk about not feeling like camping. Just a different style I suppose, but something to consider in terms of why do we go out there in the first place. Enjoyed the video!
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures Год назад
Thanks for the comment, and thanks for watching! Happy Camping!!
@Steve-uy8kx
@Steve-uy8kx Год назад
My roots have always been backpacking and wilderness paddling. When not on those types of trips, we have our off road teardrop. It fits our style of camping much better than when we had our little 16 footer. This is real camping. However, it's not for everyone being so basic. Most folks need lots more space and amenities. Not us. Glad you are liking the Teardrop.
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures Год назад
Thank you! Happy camping!
@mlangfordcamper
@mlangfordcamper 10 месяцев назад
People ask us all the time if we have fallen on hard times going from a 27ft RV to a teardrop and we just laugh.
@Laserguy2009
@Laserguy2009 29 дней назад
Yes, I am right behind you!! I have had the 42-footer, now I have a T@G and go camping even more!!! I never look back or miss the giant beast.
@mariaepresno9954
@mariaepresno9954 Год назад
Mike I agree with you your tear drops is lovely and the best for be alone with nature,,thanks and I enjoy with you too
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures Год назад
Thank you!
@freezinweasle1
@freezinweasle1 2 месяца назад
I agree with all you have said. Towing average 21.2 mpg with my Taco. I also have drug portable motels behind me and this is the way to go. I got the Pursue to be outside not inside watching tv. Less is definitely more. Quick camp setup! And of course there is the coolness factor that I hadn't counted on. At 65 years old and widowed, I now solo camp and it is all that I need.
@Royjohnston-p1p
@Royjohnston-p1p 4 месяца назад
Hi, saw your video about good reasons for a teardrop. For me it was if I took a wrong turning I could mostly turn round in one. Also as you remarked less junk because of lack of bagage room, also it was so light I could,nt get ouf the habit of checking my mirrors to see if it was still there. I,ve a bushcamp offroad + I could give precisely what I wanted to the builders in east europe . With a trade in plus what was taken out instead of paying 28,000 euros I paid 22,000 so I was well satisfied. Roy, Haarlem, Holland.
@JustMikeA
@JustMikeA Год назад
Ty for the insight
@MiniLuv-1984
@MiniLuv-1984 Год назад
I think the message is excellent. Too much "stuff" as in George Carlins "Stuff" on youtube. There is an Australian RU-vid channel I follow called "Nowhere Bound Touring" that I follow.
@rotershanks6168
@rotershanks6168 4 месяца назад
I agree with you
@coms00
@coms00 5 месяцев назад
I totally agree, less is more! I’m interested in “teardrop” campers for off-road. I have both a Casita and a 21 foot Bigfoot travel trailer, both are maneuverable and offer all the comforts, but not make for off road imo.
@ballistic350
@ballistic350 Год назад
I'm liking these teardrop camper small and ez to store away in backyard or whatever...
@billayers2190
@billayers2190 6 месяцев назад
We have a 13 foot (hitch to tale) love it for the same reasons. We do have a cassette toilet for those middle of the night needs. Liquid only no solids.
@worldchanges10
@worldchanges10 Год назад
I like this 5 ideas too for a 63 years old that knows nothing about camping
@unknowntexan4570
@unknowntexan4570 Год назад
We're getting a Freesolo Romo tomorrow! Never been an RVer before. Want to get solar panels, too.
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures Год назад
Congrats and welcome to the club!
@unknowntexan4570
@unknowntexan4570 Год назад
@NowhereBoundOnRU-vid Well, we're out. Saw it and it was a piece of trash and so was the dealer who wasn't honest. Everything else seems to be too expensive. So I guess we don't get to be RVers after all.
@thecelestialvoyager
@thecelestialvoyager 7 месяцев назад
Love the last line Mike "...we'll see you nowhere soon" Great video!!!
@Barret-paddles
@Barret-paddles 8 месяцев назад
Ahhhh, agree! 4 dogs & 2 adults is a challenge and maybe someday 😉
@randyvining8101
@randyvining8101 Год назад
We went in the middle. We had a fifth wheel, it was like another house to keep up. We went back to tents. As we got older that wasn't working either. Now we are in an Intech Explore. A little larger that a teardrop, but cooing is outside and the "tent" pops out on the side so it is still like being in a tent which we loved. It has enough room to haul our bikes and things we want when camping but its not another house to clean. It is small enough and high enough to get off road and boondock like we love to do.
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures Год назад
Sounds fun! Happy camping!!
@georgedreher2322
@georgedreher2322 Год назад
Wife & I have a 2018 InTech Flyer. We use it as a base camp for meal prep & sleeping while we explore & hike other areas during the day. Has rooftop AC/Heat unit, 10 speed Max Fan, pull-out kitchen/cooler, TV, and a Ironman tent room we added to the rear doors of the utility styled trailer. Weights 1600 lbs. unloaded and pulls easily with Tacoma TRD Off Road 6 cyl with manual trans. As an added bonus, it fits in our home garage. Keeping It Simple.
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures Год назад
@@georgedreher2322 nice!
@billramsey7455
@billramsey7455 Месяц назад
I'm happy for you and your small camper. I have a 29-footer, and I think it's rather small coming from my 35-foot 5th wheel. But I have driven millions of miles in a semi. So I'll stick with my F-350 dually and my 29-foot. Who knows, we may see you in the woods one day. 😅😅 stay safe and happy camping 🏕 🙏
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures Месяц назад
Thanks for watching!
@515ventures3
@515ventures3 Год назад
Tear drop for men over 6 feet!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures Год назад
I’m sure there’s a market for it!!
@goldfinger180024
@goldfinger180024 5 месяцев назад
I pick up my Aliner Ascape in a couple of weeks. Like you, I used to tow a 31 footer and then a 28 footer. What you say here is EXACTLY what I said about moving to the teardrop. It’s like you were quoting me with ALL of it. I can’t wait to get it and go out with it and just enjoy without all of the hassle/work of a big rig. It’s amazing how you did the same thing I’m doing (or I’m doing what you did) and for the SAME reasons!!
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures 5 месяцев назад
Right on!!
@genericwatcher2439
@genericwatcher2439 7 месяцев назад
I have a 30' travel trailer and it was just too much. I converted my wife's large 3rd row SUV into a camper, that is too little. I look forward to watching videos like yours to see if teardrops are "just right"... LOL. Thanks for the video.
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures 7 месяцев назад
Thanks for watching!
@DayHikerFromTheSix
@DayHikerFromTheSix 7 месяцев назад
I think you totally nailed it with this video, especially with the less is more point. Nice vid!
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures 7 месяцев назад
Thanks!
@ericj810
@ericj810 Год назад
My truck wouldn't even feel this camper behind it. Better gas mileage and easy setup. Im sold. Easy is the best when it comes to this type stuff.
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures Год назад
Absolutely!
@Wordsmyth8
@Wordsmyth8 3 месяца назад
How much did your camper cost?
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures 3 месяца назад
Around $24k
@Wordsmyth8
@Wordsmyth8 3 месяца назад
@@NowhereBoundAdventures Thanks. It’s nice - not too small, not too big. Happy trails!
@chrissanborn5013
@chrissanborn5013 6 месяцев назад
Have you also found out that you can camp at tent camp sites instead being forced to go to RV Parking lots where you are cramed in and all the trees are cut down? Have you ever been asked to leave tent only sites?
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures 6 месяцев назад
I’ve never parked at designated tent sights at established campgrounds but I’ve certainly done it at dispersed sites in the national forest.
@bryancraddock6791
@bryancraddock6791 7 месяцев назад
Great Video. I have a 2018 Camp Inn Trailer I bought new and still love it. Only way to go!
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures 7 месяцев назад
Right on!
@ericpiche2999
@ericpiche2999 4 месяца назад
Reason # 1 : Im a dwarf
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures 4 месяца назад
😂
@slingyrob43
@slingyrob43 Год назад
Good Stuff!
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures Год назад
Glad you enjoyed it!
@Blueskies445
@Blueskies445 Год назад
Amen. Get outside!
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures Год назад
Absolutely!
@patrisha573
@patrisha573 5 месяцев назад
Awesome Happy camping, Much love ❤
@NowhereBoundAdventures
@NowhereBoundAdventures 5 месяцев назад
Same to you!
@7018bluegrass
@7018bluegrass 6 месяцев назад
I love mine!❤️🇺🇸
@Lenneeful
@Lenneeful Год назад
Good vidéo. Nice points made, but kill the music. It doesn't add anything and it is just annoying.
@shmack-dab-in-da-middle3960
@shmack-dab-in-da-middle3960 5 месяцев назад
cant stand up in it and overpriced
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