What the media doesn't talk about: The Mexican and Black gangs that coexist and 'get along'. The media only wants to talk about the animosity between a few hispanic gangs (like Asusa13) that targeted blacks, and vise versa. They don't want to talk about Varrio Grape and Grape Street Watts Crips, and many others who coexist.
When LA was safe (up to 1969/70), we used to party all over it! We walked, bussed or had a car. We used to HITCHIKE!!! What ya'll know bout hitchiking??? Thumb up, cmon, how far, let's rap! Right here, alright then.🎉 No money or nuthin for no gas. If they going straight down Western you hop out at Fatburgers at Jefferson. Street smarts at 14yo.
Much respect, Alonso. Grew up with your website (long before youtube). You make a big difference in awareness on these ignored subject of gangs, hoods, varrios, ect. Appreciate ya
Props to all East Coast Crips, 1st 59st 62st 66st 68st 69st 76pl 89st 97st Q102st 118blc 190blc, Raymond Washington and Bunchy Carter from the L.A Panther R.i.p
@@imagesfromLA THEY TRYING COPY OUR STRENGTH LIKE THEY COPY EVERYTHING ELSE BUT THAT CANT BE DUPLICATED THEY WILL NEVER BE BUILD LIKE US CAUSE THEY NEVER HAD A PAST LIKE US.
@@Bobbybalboa735 Build like us? You seen gang documentary and gang shooting videos? The places you're likely talking about are destroyed with closed down businesses, betrayal no jobs. People killing each other like its nothing. Nobody wants to be there hell people who live in places like the poor areas of LA,Chicago,Compton, Queens, Brooklyn etc want to get the fuck out.
Harlem was very influential nationwide. We have a street here in Chicago Harlem street but it had nothing to do with Harlem Mafia Vice Lords who later changed their names to Ebony Vice Lords but they named themselves after what was considered the black Mecca
I still don't get how Original Swamp Crips are the oldest CRIP gang in Los Angeles, when the Crips started in L.A's east side and Crippin' didn't even reach Compton yet? Does he mean "the oldest gangs that became Crips...???"
You're the hood archaeologist. Good informative stuff. It's important to remember these things because they happened and are in some cases still happening. Thanks for sharing
Another great video Alonso, Big compliments on the delivery and presentation of the history of the gangs. Also great to see that you talk about the gangs in a respectful way without glorifying the gangster lifestyle.
also, this vid might be the most informative vid on the gang culture in L.A. that u have done. There is alot of Black History in this vid. Keep em coming.
I noticed that 74 hoovers spread all over. I grew up in AZ and I that was the first LA gang blood or crip that I heard of. That was in the early 80's. I saw a documentary about Freeway Rick Ross and he was standing on Hoover st. I wonder were they the main ones going state to state with the dope.
Alex, how about doing something on the deuces and tray Crip sets on the Westside of Los Angeles (Mid Town, West L.A. and tha Far Westside). There's a lot of history that date back to the 1960s down here that many don't know about due to the many, many years of gentrification. You got SYC, PBG, GGC, MFGC, MGC, BYHC, GYC & VSLC (including the history of the Sho Lines in the Mar Vista Gardens). You've touched on Venice a little bit by attending a community meeting and a Hood Day, but we never see nothing in depth on the Westside neighborhoods. One of the first gang injunctions in L.A. was on the Westside and some of the first black and latino beefs in L.A. began on this Westside. Everything you've done is about Watts, Compton and South Central, and even Long Beach. Give us a little shine!
West LA is different from the “Westside”. The west side is that which is west of Main Street in south LA. West LA is that which is west of La Brea - all the way to the beach. Called “deep west”
As a kid I played with my neighbors outside. most of them African American. I am certain alot of kids from the hood experience this. Holding on to these sentiments allowed me to be never be blinded by hate. I love my community and I wish the best for it. "We need Black and Brown unity. Keep that jail shit out the community"
the first set to be founded out of the Original Eastside Crips is 43rd St Crips in 1969. two of the Originals BLACK JOHNNY & GANGSTER TIM both from Compton became founders along several homies from the area. 2 other Originals NUMBER ONE & ECKY who were always wit BJ & GT helped found 43rd Street but were never members. #TrueStory from MY LIFE as a 43rd St Original Baby Gangster. we evolved into Four Trey Gangster Crips in 1971. gespectfully; Triple OG Lo’Down $yndrome
@@danwebb3358we were founded in 1969 as 43rd Street Crips. we evolved as 43 Avalon Gangster Crips in 1971. we dropped Avalon in 1980 and presently stand today as 43 Gangster Crips
+Rob Johnson that's not true. its not common knowledge who's death they are blamed for. a lot of treachery occurred between 60's, grooves and tres...only certain ones understand how dangerous groovers are...
Lil James started the 118 ECBC before the Harlem became Crips. The Grandees is the first Crips in Compton which is now Nutty Blocc. In fact the Harlems, Hoovers and Swamps were independent gangs before they were Crips. So how are they Originals?
+Al Snow Lil James did start 118 Street Crips, but that was about 1973. The Harlems are 1969, Hoovers were 1969 or 1970, and the Swamps started in the early 1960s. They are original because they formed before most others formed, infact the Harlems and the Swamps have "Original" in their gang name. If I did a top 15, I would have put 118th Street on that list but they are certainly not older that the Harlems or the Hoovers. Also they did not put "East Coast" on the 118 until about 1977 or 1978 as that came later.
I OVERSTOOD IT 2 BE HOOVAS WAS A CLUB...1964. CRIBS/CRIPS CAME OUT IN 19969...IN 1974 HOOVAS CAME OUT AS HOOVER CRIPS.1989 THEY DROPED THE CRIPS 2 BE CRIMINAALS
Venice Shoreline Crips is also one of the oldest Crips also. They were in the Oakwood area of Venice. They were Ghost town before Crips came out then because they were close to the beach they called themselves Shoreline. They were also the first black gang blood or Crip to fight a Mexican gang. They got along with each other but every now and then something would happen then they'd go to war in the 70s, 80s and 90s
I'm Gonna tag you on poppaharlems ig. Some real history in his page man. He hasn't been active for about a year now. Wonder if he's back inside. Who knows though. I believe he is a original... Thank you for all your vids. Much luv from San Antonio!!!!!!
+nicholas sanchez-potter I have asked for that too. We've seem a lot of clips from their main rival, the FruitTown Brims, but haven't seen a single interview from the Harlem 30s.
Good video Alonzo!! Very informational. Not too many people new that about OSC. These videos are not to invoke gang violence. These videos are to educate and enlighten you on gang culture and history. My entire family including myself grew up in the heart of the swamps. Visalia Ave. My cousin did 16 years straight for the neighborhood! Just got out 1.5 years ago and is doing great!!!!!! Great video!!
A correction to one of your comments about Bret Harte Jr. HS (as it was known back in the 1970's) ALL the EARLY CRIPS did not attend Bret Harte. ONLY the ones that were W/S Crips. Even though I lived on 52nd & Avalon, I caught the bus to Bret Harte all through the 7th and halfway to the 8th Grade since I previous lived on 95th and Main. Many Eastside's used to go to Bret Harte or Thomas Edison Jr. Half that were also early Crips.
Bret Harte is a middle school bro and oh no wonder hoovers call each other groove makes sense hoover groovers! Grew up on 87 and Hoover, its rough over here.
+Demetrius Smith did you grow up around here? I'm still growing up down here just on the Vermont side, after a while you get use it and just call it home.
+Angel The Realest nah I grew up in inglewood off crenshaw but i had relatives that stayed on that side.. mainly in the eight treys tho... yeah of course this is home we all used to it lol
I thought the Hoover Criminals (with the exception of the 52 Hoover Gangster Crips) were an Independent gang that separated from the Crips in the 1990s.
+Dislike God Mr. Popo #Fuck Your Opinion They are, 5 duece Hoover is Criminal to. They just kept Gangster Crip in their name, because alot of top Ogs are from 52. But they roll Hoover first before anything. 51 troubles are basicly Hoover to. But they keep their 51 trouble Halldale name, but mash with 52 Hooves like blood brothers. Lol don't try to understand the land if your not from LA. It will not make any sense.
Theone andonly I’m originally from LA bruh. I grew up on 51st and Normandie. I know for a fact that the Hoovers are one of the most active hoods in the city. They got a shit ton of enemies and can hold their own regardless of that.
Splendid work AGAIN Lonzo. If you ever need help with anything, let me know. I moved here to long beach and wouldn't mind helping you out with these vids
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True!! the black middle class in LA and even the bay declining more than other places also due to the fact black americans are a minority in the west coast..
+streetgangs . I thoroughly enjoy your videos! Very well researched and informative. Could you tell me the largest Afro-American gangs in LA. For example the Rollin 60s...etc....Please. Could you please give estimates too. I would imagine the East Coast Crips, Rollin 60s, and Eight-Trey Gangster Crips. I am also doing my dissertation on American Gangs. Any and all info would be greatly appreciated! Thank you Alex!!
Ayyyeeee Alex FINALLY you came to my neighborhood 42!!!AGC,43st,PlayBoy,41st,ect all by here glad you stopped by this is my childhood and even though its not the best place to be it was still my childhood Glad you stopped by.
+streetgangs The XL8 is actually 48 gangsta crip ....they are all called 4 pacc......which includes 42 and 43 that's why they put the 2 and 3 inside the 8
Some of the information on here is wrong, watch Kev Mac Videos to get a in-depth look into the history of the Cribs… Alfonso did a good job of giving you the basics, for the most part he is correct, James Miller was not from Harlem New York. Somebody before him was from Harlem and started the Harlem Godfathers, which turned into Harlem Crips, when they changed to Harlem Crips is when James Miller was the Leader. James was from East Los Angeles, his mother from Texas and father from Louisiana
+streetgangs i understand that but this is based off Cripping right ? So if this based on gangs before the Crips than the gangs in South Central are still older than the Gangs in Compton. Like their can't be Grandee Crips thats older than the original Eastside Crips which are now Eastcoast Crips.
+streetgangs But other than that,you did a good job just wanted a few things cleared up....Maybe you should do the 10 oldest gangs that Pre date Cripping & Blooding next"
@@357red9 as far as the word crip in 1971 my set started everybody else broke off in sets later on so basically 43GC was almost the first set to brake off on its on that's 2 years after Ray and tookies meeting 43GC was started by oringal eastside crip members under ray Ray aint get locked up to 74
Interesting review. How are you going to leave the Avalon Gangster Crips formerly Avalon Crips (primarily Avalon 5-Tray composed of us that were on 52nd and 53rd streets between McKinley Ave all the way to San Pedro Blvd. Don't know if I agree with your choices since I was actively Cripping in those days, went to Bret Harte Jr (HS) and Cripped with Kitchen Crips, Castle Crips, and Hoovers from 74 (Short Dog), 92 and 94 especially with Lil Rock and Crazy Rock. Where do you get your info from? Jamel Only became a CRIP to get help from the Walnuts (Michael and Kenny Bourgeois, Joe an John Humphreys, Gary and Terry Miller, Donald and Kenny Smith, Williams Scrutchins, Kenneth Short, Tony Billingsley, Kenneth Tillman and some others whom I know well back in the day whom was giving him grief and hard times. West Side Crips were not even established until 1971 when Tookie and Raymond combined. Mack Thomas was the Leader of the Compton Crips and establisher. Hoovers are not even Crips anymore and stopped being so a long time ago having went from the original Hoover Groovers to Hoover Crips to Hoover Criminals to Hoover Hustlers and back to the original title of Hoover Groovers (and they been flag gig Orange colors for years now). Who do you get your info from. I have yet to hear you say that all Bloods stem from Piru's whom at one time used to be Crips for a short while. I went to Locke HS and knew early Athens Park Bloods, Denver Lanes, Brims, Van Brims, Outlaws, Pueblos, lived on 84th and Main where the Swans were formed and knew them. Bounty Hunters, Crenshaw Mafia Bloods when they were in the young Stages, Pirus from Lueders Park and a host of others. Why was South Park and AGC, Not AVALON Gardens (since the AGC consist of 40's, 5-tray and 116)?
And where do u get your info from Pirus never claimed crip they was always Pirus Pirus Street Boys to West Side Pirus they last name never been crips player the Pirus was in Compton before crips OG Melly Mel from SBCC and many more will tell u that . AC Babalouie was a East side Crip then they shot his ass came to Compton met OOOG Puddin, LB,Tam, just to name a few Original Pirus then he turned Piru. Ain't no history of Pirus wearing blue rags saying cuz. Piru started the red and burgundy flag West Side Pirus. People tryna say West Side Brims started the red nope they use to wear blue rags Pirus never changed they colors always been red and later some Pirus rock burgundy OG Bartender started that
You were wrong about James Miller he wasn't born in Harlem New York.He was born & raised right here in Los Angeles California off the east side he has nothing to do with New York whatsoever so your information on that part was wrong Alex and you should have CORRECTED that a long time ago
51 Trouble Gangster Crips is newer gang. They was bunch of taggers who started later gangbanging with Hoovers. Hoovers Alex shows. 52 Broadways created after 43GC from 43GC members who wanted their own shit which is why they beef. 112BGC was created after 52BGC. Broadways isn't in 10 oldest. Alex forgot Spook Town Compton Crips tho which was created at the time Compton had whites living there. :)
