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How do Torsen limited slip differentials work? The Torsen differential is a very unique type of LSD, which was invented by Vernon Gleasman in the 1950's. It allows for a ratio of torque split between the drive wheels, and it allows for differing speeds of the drive shafts, much like a typical LSD. It does so in a highly unique fashion.
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@BernieLee 5 лет назад

Have you thought about revisiting this video? I love how your videos have evolved over time and I think you could really knock this out of the park with an actual differential opened up to show how it works and go through the pros and cons.

@johnbailey7038 4 года назад

Bernie Lee i was feeling the same way, but thats not to say the original is bad though. This is a really difficult thing to try explaining to people who may not be mechanically inclined

@autoSRI 4 года назад

It’s easy to understand if you already understand it but if your trying to learn it’s really confusing

@gonzccs 3 года назад

Love to see this guy making a living out of this channel from this humble beginnings. Who would have thought that being a RU-vidr could become something 8 years ago?

@benmudn 3 года назад

I totally agree. Having recently bought a TrueTrac and for the life of me can not grasp how it completely works. I have watched every video on yt and still no luck. I consider myself fairly mechanically inclined, heck I installed the gears in the axle with the TrueTrac. Yukon/Spartan just release their version of the Torsen LSD.

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

That said, it is nice to have someone realize how much effort it takes, rather than just saying "make more videos!"

@vanepico 9 лет назад

So put basically, the only time the wheels are allowed to spin at different radial velocities is when each one has friction with the ground, creating an equal and opposite radial velocity in relation to the diff housing, when one is slipping, the reverse worm drive effect blocks any lost torque. If one wheel is not imparting any force back through the differential then the diff locks automatically. I'd hate to be the engineer who designed this trying to explain his idea!

@georgipartsalev6193 4 года назад

Your comment was genuinely very helpful!

@benbrinkhurst8722 3 года назад

Fantastically helpful

@konstantin.v Месяц назад

Indubitably! Only now I get it: *the torque from the wheel lessens the friction at the worm gear,* thus allowing it to slip. If that torque gets too low, the friction prevails and the worm gear locks. Umm... Right? 🙂

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

They're both directly driven from the ring gear, as the shafts running through the worm wheels are connected to the worm gears of each drive axle, thus both axles are rotated by rotating the differential housing. Thanks for watching!

@infidel900rr 3 года назад

Trying to understand this in a hard driving scenario: Q. When power oversteering out of a corner, if the inside wheel starts spinning out (one-wheel-peel scenario of an open diff), will the outside wheel engage and turn but turn at a slower rate? OR Will the outside wheel which is already rotating faster (entering the apex, but not yet breaking traction), remain the faster rotating wheel as power oversteer is introduced after the apex of the corner? Thanks and sorry for the comment on an old video - trying to figure out which LSD I want to buy.

@NabilChouchany 9 лет назад

It's remarquable how you were able to explain this using a white board only! I teach auto mechanics and was never able to explain this efficiently using only a board. However, it seems that you only explained the operation during the normal phases (when acting as an open differential), and you forgot to explain the easier phase, when it locks (as one wheel has no traction and the system locks: only one wheel wants to turn, its worm gear as well, trying to turn the worm wheel, the worm wheel is meshing with the opposite worm wheel which in turn tries to turn its worm gear, it cannot. So the worm wheels are unable to spin on their axis, the worm gears are both driven as it locks) Cheers!

@EngineeringExplained 9 лет назад

+Nabil Chouchany Thanks for the kind words! I created a second video explaining how the torque transfer occurs: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lDsQAs0Ldes.html Cheers!

@Nada-Mal 10 лет назад

I'm sitting procrastinating in front of my pc, coffee in hand. Having just bought a Audi with a Torsen Quattro I've been watching video's all morning. After watching this I was thrown back to my University days and I'm sitting reminiscing! Thanks for the video, you can't beat a nice simple white board explanation: and well done on the isometric projection of the worm wheel. If I'd drawn that it'd have been much more wobbly looking!

@EngineeringExplained 10 лет назад

Malcolm King Glad you enjoy the videos! The drawings are certainly challenging at times.

@EmirAsari 10 лет назад

world is a better place with your videos ! Thx.

@EngineeringExplained 10 лет назад

Haha great to hear, thanks for watching!

@jorikarjalainen 3 года назад

Agreed

@knoblis Год назад

Jason, I think it might be very usefull for you to revisit this, not only because of your hairstyle.

@WraithlingRavenchild 5 лет назад

I would like you to revisit this series. Your skills as a presenter were good. You have become much better.

@DoctaMarcos 10 лет назад

Have you ever thought about doing a live video? To answer questions about what your explaining depending on the topic? Another thing is, have you ever thought about doing this stuff on the computer to add moving pictures etc. Your drawings are amazing and must take a long time to do. Thank you!

@Gadgit83 11 лет назад

Well done for explaining something very complex! Mr. Torsen must have had a strange brain.

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

Yes, thinking of how complex it is to explain, versus how complex it is to just "think" of; it's rather remarkable.

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

I don't think there would be much wasted energy, but that's just my speculation.

@ahobimo732 2 года назад

This is some CLASSIC RU-vid right here.

@wakesake 10 лет назад

love your videos, simple useful entertaining unique..

@EngineeringExplained 10 лет назад

Thanks!

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

What are we comparing it to? Open differentials, or other LSDs? Better than open for the obvious reasons. Better than viscous because the torque transfer is instant. Doesn't wear like a clutch type. But, it doesn't transfer torque if one tire is in the air, unlike a clutch type.

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

I get plenty of sleep! Haha. It's a lot of work for sure, comes down to managing my time well. I'm not searching for a new job either. But yes, 40 hours a week, plus making videos (5-10 hours) plus comments (5 hours) plus website (1-2 hours) plus facebook (~3 hours); it's a lot of work. I enjoy it though! Still get to go skiing on the weekends!

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

Haha well if you give a mouse a cookie... it'll want videos on every type of differential.

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

Check out my video "differentials - explained" so that you understand the difference.

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

You are welcome, thank you for watching!

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

Check out my website FAQs. Link in the video description or on my channel page.

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

The two spurs cannot move in the same direction. They can move at the same speed, it will just be in opposite directions. When both wheels are rotating at the same speed, the spur gears will not be rotating.

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

I released a video on this last Wednesday, search my channel or check the "differentials" playlist. :)

@Betto_333 2 года назад

i have a question. does the engine input get transmitted to the slowest rotating wheel? because the spur gear on the slower wheel kind of "slides" onto the worm wheel, thus doesn't transmit the rotation... right?

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

Pretty much the same.

@dunx125 11 лет назад

I knew you were excellent at explaining things, but this one is particularly impressive considering the complexity of the mechanism. Well done :)

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

Haha, me too!

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

Check out my video "Torsen LSD Torque Transfer" which goes into the friction a bit more. The worm wheels are part of it, yes, but there are other spots as well. And yes, these friction areas are essentially the "clutch" of a clutch type lsd.

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

No, they both are connected to the diff housing via the shafts in the worm wheels, thus, both receive the same rotational force.

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

I'm not sure about minimum requirements and all, but I have written a fairly extensive article on this. Here's the link (it's on my website, see video description -> FAQ -> Future Plans): Replace the two (dot)'s with "." howdoesacarwork(dot)com/p/should-i-become-mechanic-mechanical(dot)html

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

I'm a little uncertain myself on that point. I agree; it's basically metal on metal and you would assume wear would occur. That said, if the speed difference between the two is fairly minimal, makes sense that it could last quite a while.

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

Sounds painful.

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

Hopefully haha. For now, the quick answer is it cuts fuel once a certain RPM is hit.

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

It would indeed and I hope to get a bit more into videos with the actual item along side. Ideally I could get companies to send parts (see my nitrous video) but that's not quite as easy as it sounds. Just looking at a few images of a quaife it seems to operate under similar principles as a torsen.

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

I know I need to make an ELSD video; don't know when I will though.

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

This could work good for straight lines, assuming the difference in friction between the right and left drive tires was not enormous.

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

Mechanical.

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

Well, it doesn't have as much wear as a clutch type, and doesn't require specific fluid conditions of the viscous. It certainly has some advantages, though overall I think a clutch based system would likely be all around the best option, once you've nailed down the specific application. It's standard on the new FRS/BRZ, I believe the Miata may use it as well, as well as some Audi vehicles.

@jogrobler 9 лет назад

That eureka moment when you explained the reasoning behind the spur gears (them not being able to turn the same direction when both wheels have equal traction). I've got massive respect for you attempting to explain this man and think you've succeeded pretty well. Quite a daunting thing to explain.

@jogrobler 9 лет назад

JO Grobler Also, this video helped me visualise how it all works. Even though it's in French, it's really well done visually and even includes a cut-away of a working Torsen >> /watch?v=vS6FXZSx8aA

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

Maybe I'll make another channel, just to satisfy you? Haha thanks.

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

It transfers torque to the wheel with more grip - which is essentially what defines an LSD.

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

Well, I would say it depends on the application. But for racing probably a clutch type. Though honestly I think Torsen is a great solution to the problem of an open diff as well.

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

Each have situations where one may be preferred. I'm assuming by normal you mean a clutch type. Clutch types are a little more tunable, you can get it to the characteristics you prefer. Torsen is definitely more useful than a typical open differential in order to maximize power delivery to the ground.

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

The other can still rotate assuming it overcomes the internal friction forces.

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

Though it can also be achieved by cutting the spark; this is a bit more harsh of a stop.

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

They're the link for the two drive axles. They are what connects the two sides.

@nblax41 11 лет назад

Difs are probably the hardest thing to explain to people in terms of how they work without using a physical model, you do a great job explaining them using just the trusty whiteboard.

@lukaskozisek9340 4 года назад

Worm wheel can rotate worm gear! Otherwise it would not work.

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

Haha, it took a few tries. I didn't even want to think about drawing diffs when I first started this channel. But since it's grown, I'll put a tad more effort in. Glad to hear it's appreciated!

@what_on_arth 7 лет назад

Wait, where's the annotation ? 😂

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

Thanks! And thanks for defining awesomer, we were all lost.

@willdriverc 10 лет назад

Really good explanation and the animation was a must. I now understand the diff in my car. One suggestion I would make is if you had an ipad or something to play the animation on continuous loop stuck on the wall next to your white board that might help with a little too? Food for thought Keep up the awesome work please

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

Mazda Miata I think, I know the new Subaru BRZ has it.

@Planetary13 6 лет назад

The NA miatas/mx-5 had it as an option (RX-7 as well) the later gens and brz do not have a type 1, they have a parallel axis type 2 diff.

@daviddrueding3887 10 лет назад

Brave man doing Torsen on a whiteboard ;) Much appreciated.

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

Indeed.

@Bassotronics Год назад

All this can be simplified by just putting a ratchet inside one of the gears. You’re Welcome!

@bernardhossmoto 7 лет назад

Hi Jason, I love the beauty of simplicity in the Torsen and the new Audi Crown Gear diffs. Why has no manufacturer so far built an AWD system with 3 Torsens - center, front and rear axle? This would have so many advantages over the brake activated torque distribution of today's AWD systems. Are these differentials too large or too heavy? Or simply too expensive?

@AhmedIbrahim-yf6ek 7 лет назад

hossguitar exactly my thoughts, i have a mitsubishi montero with a torsen centrall diff, wondering why not use 2 more in the front and back

@jabadahut50 7 лет назад

I've wondered this as well... i should fire up my 3d printer and make some small models and see if there might be an issue with the center diff under varying tractions or something.

@KuTSkillZGoD 7 лет назад

has a lot of rotating mass

@jabadahut50 7 лет назад

Aap Banaan as opposed to a traditional awd system?

@kevinjackson4464 7 лет назад

jabadahut50 Answering for Aap Banaan, the Torsen has, what is equivalent to, six spider gears and cross pins instead of two.

@EngineerLikesFarming 11 лет назад

Hello! you are so deep in this transmission/differential topic that i have to ask you if you explain more in detail how this type of CVT works.... I think this might be also interesting while its not commonly used in the automotive sector.... watch this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UEzQpxkSc8M.html.... I had to watch it a few times to get some of clue how this works

@aalborgfantasy 6 лет назад

He explained but at the end he was like "I don't know how it works"

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

Thanks!

@andihirschmann1329 11 лет назад

Am I correct in saying, that, as this video is setting friction aside (unlike your follow-up video) it is describing a Torsen LSD being an overly sophisticated open differential?

@fvike 5 лет назад

No, the Torsen (TORque SENsing) works like the opposite of an open diff. An open diff will send power to the wheel with less friction - in other words - grip. The Torsen will send power to the wheel with the most friction or grip. It will not waste engine power on a spinning wheel like the open diff does. The Torsen diff never locks up, its a continuous operation.

@XHikotheproX 11 лет назад

So what if one wheel is only turning fractionally slower than the other? Is there a big waste in torque just to rotate the spur gears/worm wheels? Because I think If both wheels are turning the same speed the worm wheels aren't moving, except for rotating around the axle.

@daspascool 11 лет назад

My car, the Rover 200 BRM, has one aswell. I assume you 'muricans' aren't familiair with this model. Even outside the UK it is a real rarity. Rides like a (huge) cart though! @thatguywiththejustinbieberhair: you are awsome, thanks for this channel!!

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

Thank you! It was certainly a challenge.

@bk649cc 11 лет назад

Any plans to make a video on the Electronic locking differential available on the Ford Raptor? Great videos anyway, thanks for this terrific job, I make everything easier to explain.

@nishantkhalde5698 9 лет назад

man........ u r d best seriously u always help me in passing my xams.... well thats the secondary thing. most important is u just make engineering easy !! keep uploading more videos

@sweinnc Месяц назад

It is difficult to explain, but it makes perfect sense. It is so simple, but yet very hard to grasp. There should be a good 3D video out there showing exactly what happens in the different scenarios, but I’ve not found it.

@Tomsta17 11 лет назад

I see and understand that a worm wheel rotating about its axis cannot turn a worm gear. If this was the case, and the input shaft was locked (in gear), then in theory, with the drive wheels free to rotate, you would not be able to turn one wheel on its own (As its worm gear would turn its worm wheel, which is meshed with the other worm wheel which cannot turn the other worm gear, so you would have no movement). If I'm, continue to my next reply. If not, please explain where I am wrong.

@Ikoflex1B 11 лет назад

The application for this type of LSD that I remember form an old Popular Mechanics from the 50's, is for use in Airport Mule vehicles. The actual Mule was used to pull the massive B-36, and it was said in the article that one tire could be on ice, and the other, on dry pavement, and it would not spin the ice tire, and pull the B-36 just fine. This has not worked it's way into the auto industry, I would guess, due to the complexity. Just a side note: The B-36C loaded weight of 227,700 lbs.

@r-b3591 11 лет назад

If you simplify the problem by fixing the input shaft. Then rotating the left shaft will cause the right shaft to rotate the other way. Video "1.8 Miata Torsen LSD behaves just like an open differential" The left worm gear drives the left worm wheel which turns the right worm wheel in the opposite direction which drives the right worm gear & output But how so, you state that a worm wheel cannot drive a worm gear, but clearly it does! I have an explanation but I would like to hear yours first.

@scottmiller163 11 лет назад

I'm not sure if you mentioned it or not, maybe I didn't pick up on it but is the ring gear connected to the left side of the differential? What I'm getting at is, is the left side getting direct drive from the ring and pinion gear and the right side then indirectly driven and therefore its direction dictated by the left? Maybe this is the next video you had mentioned? Also great videos, watched all of them, all channels, they're consistently getting better! Keep it up!

@TheShokoor 11 лет назад

Are u doing engineering course? if yes, then can u plz make video that what engineering u doing and what min-grade do u need to get in to uni? Also what course do i have to do at college. I am already doing motorvehicle at if i finish level 3 can i get into uni. So plz plz plz make a video cause that will be very helpfull. Thanks.

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

Great to hear!

@oli123hallam 11 лет назад

But what would happen when accelerating in a straight line and a locked diff arrangement would be more appropriate? Does this system allow for this and how does it perform the task? Apologies if I'm being dense !! Thanks for the vids though and keep up the good work

@marcMH 11 лет назад

SOME EXTRA HELP TO some people who still have problem to see this moving: here is the link to a French explained movie. Even in muted the video speak and clearing show/explain by itself. video title: DIFFERENTIAL TORSEN diferencial Sport Peugeot 405 Mi16x4

@neffylewis 11 лет назад

Could you suggest a source (book/technical paper/etc) for designing a torsen diff...I want to know how to calculate the gear ratios and their biasing ratios.. Hats off to the inventor..brilliant principle... Great job on your videos!! keep them coming :)

@Qkfltpdls777 Год назад

Can you use conventional GL-5 to nissan R200V (VLSD) without LSD additives? FSM says use "NISSAN Differential Oil Hypoid Super GL-5 80W90 or API GL-5 80W-90." I was wondering if I can use any GL-5 (without LS spec or LSD additives) to our R200V (VLSD)..

@tommyjiang3479 8 лет назад

hahaha, bro, I got your explanation, and I got how difficult to explain this stuff without 3D model as well. hahaha! nice shot anyway, like ur video.

@Ikoflex1B 11 лет назад

So Toyota is crowing about how much the Tundra can tow, by showing it pull a space shuttle...Well the B-36 is pretty darn close to twice the weight, and it was using it's own landing gear. So much for Toyota's claims.

@Renyshiny 11 лет назад

Since the rotation speeds of a pair of worn gear and worm wheel are depended on each other, I don't understand how come the two worm gears can rotate in different speeds while the two worm wheels are rotating in the same speed.

@alwjmonster 11 лет назад

just a simple question, is the worm wheel is always driven by the worm gear? but 4:30 you explained that the worm wheel will push and force the worm gear to move. can you please explain this to me? thanks!!

@IanMcLeish 6 лет назад

I was just going to say that I didn't understand how this thing limits slip, I see how it allows slip... but maybe I need to watch the next video?

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

Thank you for watching!

@donggari 11 лет назад

Should further delve into the true purpose of a torsen and how it can transfer power in accordance with its torque bias ratio during uneven torque split etc etc. :D. Great explanation nonetheless.

@oli123hallam 11 лет назад

Thanks for getting back to me mate and so fast I perhaps should have looked at the 3d animation as this suggests the same. Sorry I should have looked. Thanks again though and looking forward to more vids

@JGulickx 10 лет назад

i understand the diff completely, i just don't understand how the slip is limited. can someone help me please? thanks for these videos btw! :D

@RegardingEye 10 лет назад

Ik moet hier een eindwerk van maken. Niet makkelijk zu Jef :P

@alexchapman6981 10 лет назад

This is why the Diff is called "limited slip." He says toward the end that one wheel moving faster than the other will cause the worm wheels to rotate and one will slide over the slower-rotating wheel's worm gear. However, this is not what happens. If one wheel moves faster than the Diff housing by a certain amount, the other wheel must slow by that exact amount on its own for the worm wheels to turn. This is what happens when making a turn. If that is not the case, then the Diff housing and output shafts effectively lock up and torque is transferred from the faster-rotating side to the slower side.

@thewhizard 10 лет назад

I'm starting to under stand. It turns both wheel at the same speed, but when you corner allows the outer tire to turn the gear forward and get ahead. the gear can't turn backward and fall behind by design.

@danebrewer10 8 лет назад

I'd like to.see an explanation of the Eaton Truetrac type locker, I have an idea, but it's far from crystal clear! They're popular, so might be worth visiting, thanks

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

Thanks! I try my best!

@nfschido 11 лет назад

If you did´t understand at 8:20 just go watch the 3D video of the differential again and check how the spur gears go on different direction while one wheel is going faster than the other

@shahbaazali1195 11 лет назад

u mean to say whenever the car turns the worm wheel which is connected the wheel which is turning slowly will revolve round the worm gear and also rotate on its own , am i right ?

@shaft9000 8 лет назад

i'm totally DECLINED mechanically...but these are still a good watch.

@gokullakshmanan 11 лет назад

This is something which is very difficult to explain..and you tried your best..welldone... And thank you...:)

@Ubernoob85 11 лет назад

The Torsen differential seems so complicated relative to the Clutch-type and Viscous. In what applications and by what mechanisms is this extra complexity justified?

@Blankanik 11 лет назад

OK you explained how Torsen differential works, but you explained how just differencial works. Why the word "Torsen? What the difference betwen regular differencial??

@EngineeringExplained 11 лет назад

Great to hear!

@redstrooly1 11 лет назад

Seems like a VERY very hard topic to explain! i can see why you tried to make a picture for this difficult style of LSD. Damn engineering! GREAT JOB though!

@shash1691 11 лет назад

Does the other wheel (through the axle ( the left one in this case )) rotate slower because of the loss in energy between the two helical worm gears or ....?

@BigBand1942 7 лет назад

conflicting info from other sources.....So the Torsen if on front wheel will lock and Inhibit steer or does it NOT do that in interest of safety (ICE and all)????

@chinmayb7069 11 лет назад

do you sleep daily??? i mean how do you manage time between your work, youtube, your website, comments, search for new job etc etc etc !!!!!!

@gehtdianschasau8372 2 года назад

My daily driver is in the shop for the yearly inspection, so i'm driving an FF with open differential right now. I live near the alps and yesterday we had about 25cm snow. My rx8 really shines in that conditions, the crappy kangoo sucks. I expected the ESP to make up for the open diff at least a littl bit, i hoped it would send some of the power to the wheel with more grip. I was not completely right. It kinda does that, but that also slows the car down. When there is not enough grip to accelerate and you need momentum to get up the hill, that really sucks. Instead of having a big smile, i was worried about getting stuck. Torsen is awesome, if you buy a new car, an it's an option, get it! It's worth every cent.

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