I like the look of the teak, but the extra maintenance it requires is off-putting. The synthetic teaks don't have the maintenance issue, but also lack the colour change of wet vs dry teak decking. The non-skid painted decks are boring to look at, but the easiest to maintain. you can present good arguments for all decking options. The one argument I can't support is the hot deck to walk on, since in a hot area any surface will get hot for walking on. lol
@@jaquigreenlees having both teak and gelcoat on our boat I can say from experience that when the teak is too hot to bear with bare feet the gelcoat right next to it is still fine -much cooler to touch. The teak soaks up all of the sun's heat while the gelcoat reflects much more. The teak in our cockpit is probably going to go soon. Too hot to stand on, too hot to sit on, and such a maintenance hassle.
I would pull it just like you....From watching your vids I was reminded that the difference in height once removed will cause a bit of fiddling to make things go back properly...
We had forgotten most of this it seems ages ago. That light caulking, is just so nice. We made the same comment before at some point. When you shout at someone you have lost control of the situation and the respect of those you address. Really enjoying your summary series. Sail Safe Guys, Ant, Cid & the pooch crew.
Thanks guys! Yes, particularly in this part of the world, if you shout you've lost all respect. We saw many workers walk off jobs where cruisers hadn't grasped the different culture here. It's amazing how much detail we both remember five years after it ended. Liz
Cheers! There's a whole playlist of the year we spent in the boat yard, which I hope won't put the neophytes off. 😉 Liz ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9RiC2bsE9TY.html
its always a joy to see a real crafted person work with there skilled hand and mind set no matter what trade it is or where in the world it is , thanks for showing :-)
My apologies in advanced to Jamie: I try to refrain from making personal comments about the various RU-vid providers that I follow (I don't ever want to be lumped in with posters who make horrid personal comments on these pages). The last time I can remember breaking my own rule was MANY months back I commented on how lovely Liz looks whenever she wears blue. Since then, I have been diligently following my rule (until now). The picture of Liz sitting in the newly teaked cockpit are amazing!!! I can't help it - blue top - beautiful. What a lovely, lovely lady she is. OH - and the boat looks great too!
What's there to apologise for? I'm in agreement with you! Wait till our 200th episode when we read out some of the less salubrious comments we've received 😉
Absolutely loving these refit retrospective videos. Some of your best work to date. FTB is the only cruising video channel that we have watched that has made the long-term cut over the years. (I don't yet count Sail Life as a cruising channel). I still am excited about your new videos and try to watch them as soon as we can when we have the bandwidth. Love you guys.
It's always a pleasure to keep you entertained, James, and always a pleasure to read your comments. I hope one day we will meet. Peace and fair winds to you ✌️⛵
Love this video, contains very valuable information. It is a great to have an opportunity to learn from your experience. Plus the pictures taken give a clear understanding about what is involved in such an extensive refit! Great job, well done! Thank you!👍👏👏👏👏👏👏👏🤗
Hi Liz and Jamie, I think I watched all you videos last year while bed bound due to a surgery with complications. I would have a tough time naming a favourite, due to the fact all your videos are interesting and educational in its own way. Watching your entire video history, I observed a great evolution into now true professionals. There is one thing that I think every one seems to avoid to talk more in depth about for understandable reason,which is the head or toilet. We are contemplating the on board living for retirement. I wonder if it would be wise to refit to a bidet type toilet? I also would be interested to hear about the technical and quality difference from brand to brand, if you at one point could shine a light into that theme that I would enjoy. One more thing no one seems to talk much about is sleeping on board. I live at a remote location in northern Canada, with very little noise, so I’m a little concerned about noise. I slept on a boat many years ago, on a yacht in the bow, I remember enjoying the sound of the waves clutching against the hull. But being young at that time I could sleep anywhere. Today it’s a different story, so your experience about on board sleeping would be interesting to hear. Many thanks again, wishing you the very best and stay safe and healthy!🤗🙏🙏🙏🙏
There is a bit of a story about our times at PSS. We had a wooden 12 ton Gauntlet design ("Tiare Taporo III"), built in NZ and launched in 1978. She was planked (carvel) in NZ Kauri. Solid Teak decks 1 inch thick nailed with Monel nails into 1 inch thick Kauri all laid on Kauri deck beams. Stockholm Tar impregnated canvas between the Teak and the Kauri planking underneath. Previously we had only been concerned with re-antifouling, but we had a mechanical problem at Krabi Boat Lagoon where the engineer, unbeknownst to us, failed to adjust the engine alignment upon re-launching. Wooden boats move quite a bit between being on the hard and in the water. The vibration became very bad and we even thought we had a gearbox problem so we had the BW Velvet Drive re-built by Zainol on Langkawi. But it was all due to the alignment - or lack thereof! Jia and his mechanic came to Rebak on Langkawi where we then were and re-aligned the engine (a 1964 4 cylinder Fordson - then done less than 5,000 hours). We then returned to PSS and it was decided that the original drive shaft may be suspect as by then it was by then 38 years old. Jia and Julie were wonderful to us and we will never forget their many acts of kindness. We have since been very sad to learn of Jia's horrific illness and in fact we visited him and Julie at their family's home in Hat Yai. We stay in touch with Julie and we wish them and their little boy, James, our very best wishes. They remain in our thoughts often as time goes on. We have now sadly sold the boat which is in the Mediterranean and we are living "in retirement" in Medellin, Colombia. Best regards from Jim and Jean
She's a real taskmaster and has problems project managing me, but aside from that she was a successful business woman when I met her, so both the project and myself are in good hands, Dan 😉
Great stuff guys Alot of comments about the cost saving....frankly the workmanship is pretty much the finest. You would not, could not, find this in US UK CAN AUS EUR . To many out there, do not take much pride in there work these days. I hear it all the time . Your timing on the refit could not have been any better minus the drop in dollar of course 😁. Love the channel just hope we can actually get out there soon Seems the dream is slipping away these days⛵🚣♂️⛵🚣♀️⛵😵🤧 Fairwinds from the @captains.chair
Hey Jim. I don't know if you saw our recent episode in which we answer a Patreon's concern about losing motivation to become a liveaboard? We discuss some ways to keep the dream alive, and there's lots of positive comments under that video too. Peace and fair winds to you.
That bit with the darker paint over the lighter paint and sanding it back tell it's all one color is an old car painting trick its called blocking I have spent uncountable hours doing that at the office
These vids are amazing! Am going back to re-watch the refit vids. Great idea to do regular synopses of sorts after your adventures, too! How about after the virus fades (hopefully), you do another about quarantining when a lot more info will be available than now? Kind of a 20/20 hindsight look behind. Love listening to you both!
Thanks for the positive feedback! I like your idea, although we're conscious that people are getting lockdown overload. We're keen to get back out on the water so we'll definitely be reflecting on what that feels like after so many months tied to the dock.
Loved your video.. I live and love Thailand. When doing any large job like this, you must budget beer or you can lose your mind. Things are just done differently not always wrong. They can get a square peg in a round hole if you just let them. I have never seen anyone do so much with so little then here.
Well done FTB...good thing you didn't choose red...! It is quite a finicky pigment, very sensitive to sunlight, even if well encapsulated in resins! It will alway degrade with time, much faster than any other color! Be covid safe Cheers
Any kind of wood is good insulation as long as it stays dry. So, if you say that it was cooler after removing the teack deck, than I guess, it means that your teack deck had absorbed lots of water.
Of course the dilemma now is that we plan to head to colder climates, Harry, so we've just removed what insulation we originally had! It's still the best decision we made though, the temperature difference in the tropics, especially at night, is significant.
In colder climates, you will need some kind of insulation. Otherwise, each mornings, the inside of your cabin will be soaked due to condensation... and after.. mold problemo... I guess it all depends on how long you intend to stay in cold climates...More than 3 months? You definitely need some insulation! Maybe you should check "sailing Uma". They are architects and as long as I can remember, they have found a cheap and easy way to insulate their boat.
i believe it is a hydrometer that measures humidity if I'm not mistaken, we really do have quite a bit in common my mainsail is on an Inmast Furler also so again I learned something thx for sharing !!
Hey Mark. You're one letter out! It's actually a hygrometer. Hope you got something out of the video. How are you finding your in-mast furling? Some come with a bad rep but we love ours and haven't had an issue with either mast.
Hi you guys, I bought my boat in an auction a few months ago and it has issues with the teak deck so I am removing the teak and re-coreing a few areas, I am not going to replace the teak either, so i haven't sailed her yet, my in-mast furler appears to be very well designed and built though, thx
Hehe, that was another long dark tunnel a few years later, Bryan. Although, looking back on the refit, perhaps we should have done something a bit more drastic with the cockpit and made her more like the standard Oyster deck saloon.
Here comes an airplane so it’s going to fuck up everything I just said so will have to do it again! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣That statement right there made me hit the like button
Hi Carey. Do you mean powder coating? It's not something I know much about so I didn't investigate this, nor do I understand the process. I'm not sure that PSS had the facilities to do this.
@@followtheboat I am a disabled vet so any more my typing is by one finger so I may have not made myself clear, but I also am or was a painter journyman and I keep birds which we keep in powder coated cages. There are two different versions of powder coating.. One like for my bird cages is "baked" on. the other version is put on and sort of chemically baked on. You see this version a lot in stores that do not install drop ceilings and leave the building joints visible. It is highly durable and water proof, not sure of it's UV rating and being I don't get out much any more I can't talk to my buddies down at the paint store.. But as you might guess bird poop is highly acidic. we clean our cages with high pressur hot water and most are over ten years old with little sign or rust or wear.
Hi liz & Jamie, may I ask you of your opinion on steel sailboats and their pros & cons as I'm thinking of either buying one or buying and building a kit boat. Would really appreciate your thoughts on that.
Do you think the care in finish quality you guys experienced with painters, carpentry, etc. is the standard or did you feel like you lucked out? Living in the States, the things I would normally look for in evaluating a shop or contractor aren't the norm most places. Was it obvious once you started talking to people and asking questions?
Aye, for sure. In fact the carpenter and paint team were finishing up on an 80ft motor vessel when we arrived and the owners showed us around their completed job. We grabbed those craftsmen as soon as we could!
Great video! What have you decided to do about nonskid? We have an old teak deck and have decided to replace it. There are, however, many, many nonskid options, including another round of teak or "teak substitute." Any guidance appreciated.
We went with the non-slip sand mixed into the paint itself. There were three 'grades' to choose from and we went for medium. Unless you're based in colder climates I wouldn't bother with teak because it is so hot.
She is going to look absolutely smashing when your refit is done. Your boat was definitely beautiful before refit, I can't wait to see her after the refit. Hopefully you can sail and explore the Great Lakes someday, I think you both would love it. :D Here is the link to the current video I just made that you wanted to see for the refit on the 16 footer: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jcA67_aMyzE.html If you want to see the playlist where I put all the "boaty things" I have done thus far, it is here: ru-vid.com/group/PLpJaSQchsl_lS54_grD9JRwMjCLOO5pz0 Keep up the great content :D
Guys, great video, thank you. also thank you for sharing the costs, it allows a good base for budgeting in the future. do you feel that for the same quality and duration of your re-fit it was more economic than say being carried out in Europe/Med?
Brilliant! Kim and Mark told us you were on the way. Are they being kind to you and letting you in? Are there workable quarantine restrictions? What's the plan? Will you stay in Japan? Cheers, Liz
Sailing followtheboat ; well we are 2 weeks quarantine at ishigaki .. entry not promised .. all ports closed for foreigners ... but now we have no place to go lets see if they will understand it we want tourist visa they offering us transit visa ,,, let you know how the situation develops .. how is sabah and your plans?
I'd forgotten the bit about the absconding painter -- perhaps tactfully or pragmatically you left it out of the original video. In Thailand are bribes part of the importation process? I remember in Morocco bahksheese was the name of the game. Thanks and regards. P.s. Re: Moondust -- I believe the Esperian term for classy is posh.
Hmm, you didn't mention the balls you used in the filler when fairing the hull. :p Watching the original a lot was said about the compound used for the fairing and these balls used as filler. The work getting the outside ready and painted was worth the time it took, when you consider they got a perfect finish.
Hi. That won't be a problem. If they're on the boat already, you owned them before entering so it's not unusual for people to bring in their own supplies and gear on board.
Clue's in the first line of the description "The second in our total sailboat refit project revisited..." It's a summary, by job, of the total refit. Hope you find it useful. Cheers, Liz
Sailing followtheboat also it’s good to agree payment stages in advance, as I think you found out :) You’re absolutely right though on the shouting. Similarly the ‘smile’ takes a lot of interpretation. Asians basically regard us as being rude. With some justification :) Often politeness matters more to them than truth. They’ll forgive the little white lie much earlier than a harsh word...
Hygrometer. A humidistat is a control device with a Hygrometer built into an electrical relay with various electrical contacts to control a dehumidifier or humidifier. It is like how a thermostat is a control device with a thermometer built into a relay with various contacts to control a heater or AC. Sorry, I couldn't resist. It's an electrician thing.
How much could you rely on the expertise of the workers knowledge and trust in their workmanship? Did you feel like you were micromanaging or fairly hands-off?
You have to micromanage irrespective of their skill level. They'll have their own idea of the finished look and you yours. The trick is to make sure they match. That said, the carpenters we're pretty independent once they got stuck into a job, although a few 'mistakes' were made along the way, e.g. putting up a coloured laminate in the wrong place. Minor issue and mainly down to miscommunication.
@@followtheboat Ja, es geht mir gut - Human Malware Virus hat mich und die meinen verschont - eigentlich ist in meiner Umgebung nichts davon zu sehen. Das hoffe ich für euch auch! All the Best!
Sailing followtheboat it’s better than using dry and wet bulbs to calculate and look up dew point and humidity. Shades os my job over 20 years ago doing aviation weather. 😉 Nothing like 60 Knot winds blowing and walking up to a cliffs edge to check temperatures. 😉
"Clumsy" 😁 We've had to get jobs done on deck in bad weather and it's not easy! Jamie meant clumsy from the point of view of dropping things and making a mess. We made the right decision with the paint. 🙄😉 Liz
