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@@amramjose Elon and others are working on a better battery all the time because they can see the downside of these Li-Ions, but it might be a while before a better one is invented. One that is safer for the environment and will charge more quickly as not to overwhelm power companies as much as these Li-Ions. Plus some big auto companies like Toyota are still investigating other cleaner forms of energy like hydrogen.
The range is crappy towing on all but he used a high trim low range truck.. Also he didn't put it in tow mode.. so the dte calc was way off. Basically the definition of doing it wrong.
@@GhostlyGhille Including my comments, drove too fast, especially in the rain, (dangerously so) and did not set correct conditions period. Ultra poor example.
@@GhostlyGhille Not to mention how much power is being eaten up by wipers, heater, lights during a day like that. Most people forget that your Electric Vehicle comes with AC, but when it is on you eat up the battery to stay cool.
you'd go further, possibly, but you most definitely are FAR more efficient with the lightning. Before towing far distance with batteries is possible it's going to take some new battery tech to come along. They're great for going short distances and tow better than ICE vehicles, but can't go far.
It shouldn't affect it too much. The heater is heat pump not restrictive so it uses no more power than the heat pump does while operating in cooling mode.
Not really. The batteries generate heat just from having power pulled out of them. Heating the battery is mostly a thing that's necessary to do right before (fast) charging, to speed up that process.
TFL trucks did a comparison with the lighting with extended battery and a gas motor. Both towing a 7200lbs trailer. The lighting needed to be recharged at 70 miles.
@@zenithperigee7442 with the smaller battery the lightning weighs somewhere around three tons I believe is what I read somewhere. I don't know if the model T would pull it but that would be cool if it could.
My 96 F250 4wd w/7.5 gas and 5 speed got 12 mpg in 2wd and 8mpg 4wd it didn't matter if I was towing or not, those numbers were constant. Weirdest thing ever! Even towing 10,000 lbs which I only did once it got 12 but I could tell I had a load on the back. It had 2 tanks for a total of 34 gallons I believe. Less than 100 miles towing is insane!
@@ryane6719 if you're towing anything really worth your time. It will be atleast 6500 but I'd expect a brand new truck to do twice that and maybe loose 30% of available range The EV market is just way out of its league
@@RuralTowner That is the legal speed limit in a lot of areas. If the mileage is going to be so incredibly bad just because of that, Ford needs to redesign the Lightning.
I like how you cant reliably predict your distance, and its subject to change with the weather and minimal weight introduced. We all know how good people are at planning, cant foresee any issues with this.
With IC engines, the efficiency is so poor that you don't even really notice too great a difference since so little of it actually makes it to the wheels. With these electric vehicles its betting the entire farm it will be able to use things like good electrical efficiency and regenerative braking in stop and go traffic to help it save face. Out on the highway with a big box dragging along behind it? Nope. It'll suck juice faster than someone's AC out in the middle of the desert.
Wonder what would have happened if Hoovie had limited his speed to 55mph? Makes me think there's going to be 70s-style national 'double-nickel' speed limits coming soon.
Check out Transport Evolved's video on it. They went from Oregon to Colorado and back while towing. The guy in this video glossed right over how he was getting better than 30mpge while towing in the rain going over 70mph. Empty, like how he said most people will be driving it most of the time, he was getting 70mpge or better.
This is hilarious! I suppose it's time to add some fine print to the truck's ads: "Your towing mileage will be absolutely abysmal, so plan on using a friend's truck with a regular internal combustion engine."
@@gregorymattison6007 I mean in reality, you don't see many pickup trucks hauling stuff. It's not like we all doing hard work everyday unless your job actually involves hard work. Just look at the dumb squatted trucks in the south
I would be ecstatic to have an EV that checks all the boxes for both work and play, but they are clearly not there yet, and at the prices they are demanding for these trucks its simply not a practical choice for most people who actually use a truck like a truck.
l'm sure you would be looking at 1/4th of what he got here on flat ground. 50 feet or 15 minutes, which ever comes first. Don't get me wrong, l love Fords but not this POS!
This even applies to other Ford products (and towing performance in general), for example the Ranger supposedly tows up to 7500lbs, but the fine print on the Ford website says max frontal sq ft of a trailer for the Ranger is 55 sq ft. So 7500lbs of lumber on a low trailer is OK, but only pop up and teardrop campers apparently. As you pointed out, even a small travel trailer of
@@JohnDoe-qz1ql Seriously, that is what Ford lists as max frontal area on the current Ranger, probably so they can turn down warranty work. I am sure the Ranger is capable of exceeding that value, but nonetheless, Ford says 55sq ft is the max. Here is a capture I just made from Ford's own towing guide to the Ranger: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-m3PHxcg_y8c.html
In a perfect world we all have 100 solar panels, a battery system to store energy and electric vehicles that go 1000 miles on a charge. Common sense tells us only the rich can afford it but they're busy flying around in their private jets. It's a scam.
Especially when you realize they can shut down your ability to charge your vehicle remotely. Say something bad (but true) about Joe? "We're sorry, your ESG score has dropped to a level that negates your ability to use a simple function as the electrical grid. Have a nice day." Don't think it will happen? Some people think the book, 1984 is just a fiction. The Dims think it's a manual for the future.
Just like us semi truck drivers were forced into semi's that run on DEF for cleaner diesel Emissions. That caused us to deal with higher operating costs because those system are high maintenance.
I had to transport an item of 70 pounds in a tesla, with me and a co-passenger. it directly decreased the range with 50% (double the mile/kwh then without it). I actually testes also the trip towards it, and then the trip back! More or less if you drive with 4 persons on board you get half the mileage from your chargeload!
@@TheRealRenn but the cold weather affects battery performance along with snow requiring more energy to drive through. I would hope the battery and motors are sealed units so salt and slush doesn't degrade connections and performance.
yeh, after 25 years of michigan winters like a normal f150. bet they both turn to rust powder just as fast except the gas one will be worth scrap, and not cost extra to dispose of safely. fuck ford.
@@nickmalone3143 They aren't junk just not any good for towing or anything else that requires a lot of energy. They're really nice for commuter cars and running errands. The auto companies are trying to foist electric pickups on people and they'll work fine for the guys in lifted half tons with low gear ratios who want a brodozer, but not for people who tow or do energy intensive things with them.
@@nickmalone3143 Nah, it's just the EV crowd isn't done smelling their own farts by putting 4 electric motors on their vehicle with scant other parts and are too proud to go back to a drive train or build 4 transmissions.
It’s going to take us a while to learn EV’s, we have had combustion cars for over a century. He had a jacket on, was he running the heater inside the car, that reduces range. In the cold the battery packs need to be warmed to work properly that also reduces range. I don’t know if any of this contributed to result but the computer should have been able calculate the range.
What a pain. Having to worry about range ahead of time, then losing it unpredictability while towing. I prefer less stress and more headroom in case anything goes wrong. Of course we're in Alaska, but regardless, buy a diesel, full sized spare, top off the tank and carry appropriate emergency gear and you have almost no worries.
Same here in the Philippines. Roads here suck on a good day, during typhoon season I can't tell you how awful it would be driving through farm mud and seeing your battery die
How do batteries do in the freezing weather ? Or the 120 plus in Arizona ? I don't think their worth it . My friend just replaced batteries in her car it was $29, 000 Installed.
Why would you “argue” with a dealer about that? That’s just stupid. They don’t care which vehicle you buy from them as long as you buy a vehicle from them.
@@thisishowiedewitt76 How is it that no matter what you say on the internet someone finds something wrong with it 😆 Fact is, was a dealer displaying a truck on a video feed. Point was the truck in ev form couldn’t handle or haul for the reasons displayed in this video nor would it be capable of handling a 3k lb skid of ours or a 10k lb trailer when the ratings and ranges were brought up and commercial use mentioned. Hope this helps understanding the context I didn’t feel was necessary.
Just imagine what the range would be if you were towing an average 18 or 22 foot long camper trailer! You should go rent a camper trailer and test that out!
@mizzouxc Just think "what-if" he purchased an Electric Class -A ??? What really gets me....to me at least...It appears to be self-evident that an e-vehicle of whatever construction will have a shocking towing load exponetially crushing the MPG.
there's a video out there just on that topic. They used a gas and EV version to tow two identical 20 ft RVs (borrowed from a dealer) and compared the results.
I read an article about someone moving from Detroit to California, and they used their Rivian to tow their Mustang on a trailer. They needed 28 charging stops to go 2700 miles.
No vehicle ever gets better mileage while towing. Fu*k all those battery turds. The gm one didn't get far from the dealer before it had to be towed back.
Maybe a closer to fair comparison, the f150 is first in a way also, right? Not one of a million cranked out a year like the 100 year old Ford gas vehicle, right?!
@@kanehorath7222 here's a link to their RU-vid page. They're still testing but it looks promising. Basically the truck is battery powered but it carries its own electric generator to recharge. ru-vid.com/show-UCUEzfzqf2fx3C1vs0MlgShA
After reserving on day 2, I just got the email to order my Lightning. Instead of the 40k Pro I had decided to order, now, the CHEAPEST option is $74,474. The Pro and XLT are marked as 'unavailable'. This was a bait and switch scam by Ford. I'll be sticking with RAM in the future.
He must of had the heater on. I have a blueitti battery generator it was 1000$ so a nice one. it can power a small window ac unit for 6 hours a full fridge for 30 but it will not power a hair blow dryer. once the heat turns on it "pops the fuse per say" and shuts off.
@@maya_coqsalonga so after 8 years the truck goes to the junk yard. My 2006 chevy is still worth 7 grand in condition it is in now. You can't pay me enough money to buy a 10 year old electric truck. The used market will have zero value adding to our waste when we chuck cars and trucks away after 8 years due to 20000 battery replacements
But Greta Thornburg said it would all work just fine. She’s an electrical engineer, right? She fully understands electric generation, transmission, and distribution, right? Electric vehicles are for golf courses. Fossil fuels are organic and wonderful.
@@CitarNosis317 It is the ultimate parking lot princess without all the insane fuel costs, sadly, that is a larger market than you might believe. It can do light towing relatively fine, if you just wanna tow a jet ski or dirt bike to somewhere local you're still OK but yea....road trip towing...fuck no.
Liberals so stupid they don't understand air is made of 78% Nitrogen, 21% Oxygen, and 1% Hydrogen with 0.05% CO2. To top that off, 99.999999999% of 0.05% of CO2 comes from microorganisms. Every square inch of Earth is microorganisms. Why do you put food inside freezers? Cold temperatures prevent bacterial growth. Same thing with Earth. Temperatures go down, bacterial growth goes down than CO2 goes down and vice versa. Look at any global temperature graph of Earth in billions of years. Temperature always had cyclical change. Always!!. Liberals soo stupid they don't understand what the sun is, which is a fusion reaction of two different isotopes of hydrogen tritium and deuterium overcoming nuclear bonds with gravity, which is extremely inefficient and causes temperature to change.
I would like to see that test done again in winter with the heater on, I bet you will lose at least 30% range without the trailer and with a trailer might have to charge to make it back. My ev loses anywhere from 30% to 60% range depending on how cold it is. There were times I could barely made 60 miles with a 120 mile range. When temps drop below freezing EVs range just plain out suck.
I can just imagine the Ford executive team watching this video, having heart palpitations...and the amount of work their PR team is going to have on its hands.
They truly don't care. Ev vehicles have been decided on by powers greater than them. It has nothing to do with anything other than controlling where and what people will be able to do in the future.
LOL. it's funny you think this is their worry. they will sell every one of these they make. 90% of the F150 market is for folks who never tow. it's an American status symbol; doubly so as an electric.
No knock to you miss. I’m sure your a great electrical engineer. The issue at hand is Ford telling the public this truck gets X amount of range, and in the real world the range is nowhere near the claim. Our government in the United States is pushing EVs and high gas prices and no one is happy. Hoovie surprises me because he bought this truck like it was the greatest thing since sliced bread, and all I heard on alternative media is the truth about EVs, their real costs, and limited range. 🤷🏻♂️ I guess what I’m saying is maybe you would be a better electrical engineer for Ford than the ones they got. Consider applying there because you seem to have more sense about the reality of EVs than them. 🤔 Have a good one. 🇺🇸
I'm not sure how the electric truck thing is going to work out, but I'm absolutely certain that in 90 years no one is going to be putting it on a trailer and towing it with anything! Give me the Model A, back when things were simple. Thanks for doing the story. People need to see real world results!
Electric cars are more simple than internal combustions ones though >.> The electric motor has two parts: a stator and a rotor. Plus no need for a complicated transmission, several pumps for oil and fuel, complicated timing to make sure the little explosions go off in the right order, a driveshaft and all that mess to take energy from one big motor to the other wheels, an exhaust system to make sure those noxious gases don't suffocate you and so the car's not deafeningly loud, complicated air intakes so the little explosions can happen... and so on.
@@Jcewazhere I totally agree with you and being a mechanic for over 35 years I can see the benefits from some situations that electric vehicles would be excellent for. However many people don't realize that electric vehicles have been around almost as long as internal combustion engines ( maybe longer) but it's been the same problem since it's inception, battery reliability and durability. They are rushing these vehicles into production with substandard batteries that if they don't get perfected are going to ruin the concept much like General Motors did with the diesel back in the late 70s and early 80s. I have friends that work at the River Rouge plant that produce these trucks and I've seen pictures of batteries catching fire in there shipping racks before they are even installed in the truck. They know there's a problem but they push on and put product out that is not acceptable. What is going to happen when this vehicle is parked in your garage charging at night? Or just going down the road? Again I think it's a great idea and will definitely be a main form of transportation at some point but the batteries are not ready yet and in my opinion down right dangerous!
Use the Lightning's cargo space for placing a pedal bike connected to a generator and have a friend, or two, pedal as hard as they can while you drive...and you may get a whole extra 20miles from it 🤣
Might as well hookup the pedal power directly to the driveshaft, add 20 more bicycle seats, get rid of the heavy electric motors and lithium batteries, and hire a town of Amish to peddle for a few hours. You'll probably get better results. Or just drive the Model T to the destination rofl
This video affirmed my decision to cancel my F Lightening order 6 months ago. There are a number of videos and articles that reveal very poor range while towing. I'll be keeping my coyote 5.0 V8 F150 until heck freezes over.
@@Newoak I heavy tow off-road vehicles all over the west. I think EVS will be really good for local work. I end up in some really desolate places. Not yet.
I didn't see if it had a hitch, but maybe he could have used the Raptor to tow the Lightning. It was probably narrow enough to fit on the trailer, and the Raptor likely had plenty of towing power. A sight we will likely see more of in the future. 😀
@@oldbloke135 Yeah, no. That 6.2 is bulletproof. That was simply the cab corners...common on the F-150s. If you went with the towing capability, well, there you would have an argument. Raptors need some suspension goodies to really tow since the travel on those shocks approach almost 1ft.
I find it funny that the switch to EV's is supposed to be about efficiency and saving the environment and the first thing auto manufacturers do with an EV is make them do sub 3 second in some cases 0-60 times and cost 80-100k when they could be built with more moderate performance in mind and higher mileage to charge while costing less for the general population.
Performance is exactly the reason I bought the Model 3 Performance edition. The environment will take care of itself, but 0-60 in 3.1 seconds, wicked handling, and cool software are what makes an EV worth every dime.
Great real world test. Another test would be to put a load (e.g 1000lb) in the rear tub and see what impact that has on range. Most reviewers (not you) test EV range with only the driver on board. I am yet to see a range test with an EV carrying passengers and their luggage. I want to see this for sure👍
I believe that the range is impacted as much by the aerodynamic drag and road friction as it is by the increased mass. I am not against the whole EV concept. They have a role to play in the mix of choices. But, the notion of a half ton truck EV is ludicrous given the cost and limited useability. The Ford Lightning is proof that, just like the idea of a 600 lb fashion model, just because you CAN do it doesn't mean that you SHOULD do it. I feel bad for Ford, it feels like they are hurtling down the wrong path.
I've got a Mitsubishi PHEV and range drops by about 10% when loaded with four people, so it's not horrendous. The real killer is cold weather - when we get near freezing I don't bother charging it as the range drops to about 7 miles (from 30) and it's just as expensive as using the engine in hybrid mode.
@@scottbrown7415 Look at the CEO, (Mary Barra) of GM saying all electric by 2035. Unless she knows something about battery development we don't I suspect GM won't be in the truck game. Of course we were told we'd be the Jetsons by the year 2000 back when as well. Dating myself here.
I'd love to see a Diesel comparison ( real world ) IE use a diesel generator and charge the lightning from 0-100% , then use your Dodge Diesel and see what range you can get on the same amount of fuel towing the same load. It would be interesting to see .
My 1970 International Travelall 4x4 1100D 345 v8 (not diesel) gets 10-11mpg with normal driving. It also gets 10-11 mpg while towing our 7200lb fully loaded race trailer. I'd imagine a modern day diesel would hover around 90%+ of the same unloaded performance.
I think range is going to be an extremely persistant problem with EVs. EV power density is a problem that butts directly against the laws of physics. It's very hard to get much more energy dense than we are now, batteries don't progress like semiconductors. Lipo batteries are lipo batteries, it doesn't matter how small the parts are, it'll holds the same charge per kg as any other lipo.
@@zteaxon7787Yeah I really don’t understand why the vast majority of manufacturers haven’t gone in this direction… especially with applications like trucks.
@@moderngentlemanschool Yup, I never tow anything, but I would sure like to know how it does up in the mountains with a load of stuff packed in. My Sierra hardly even notices that it's carrying extra weight as far as MPG goes.
I doubt it would affect it much. Pretty much all EVs efficiency loss is due to drag. This explains a lot ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-S4W-P5aCWJs.html
Here's a max payload efficiency test: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6oKRfOpZi-Y.html I keep saying it, but it's all about the aero. On inclines in to the mountains you'll use more energy going up, but you'll regen it going back down, friction losses stay about the same.
Beautiful! Amazing! Now, put a four wheel drive under that thing. Maybe some more aggressive tires under it. Now, hang a snowplow on the front of it and bring it up to the UP of Michigan for the winter and lets see how it handles plowing a couple driveways. You may need a few thousand feet of extension cords to recharge after running a heater, windshield wipers, lights and a snowplow.
Puddy - Man are you ever spot on reminding people what kind of work loads are carried everyday by trucks! It is very impressive. You can't play games being politically correct when you have major work to do everyday.
The range estimator adjusts for the speed you are driving. Same way if your gas range adjusts if you’re going 10mph or 75mph. I really don’t know what’s so difficult to understand about this.
A plug-in hybrid pickup with 50 miles of all-electric range and then kicking over to a gas engine for longer trips and towing would be the best compromise. Not going to happen, but it makes the most sense.
except you have to have an engine and a motor, transmission, and everything you need for propulsion, twice. The beauty of electric vehicles is the simplicity and lack of moving parts that generic heat and require grease.
Why not going to happen? We have a plug-in hybrid SUV with 50+ miles of range (rav4) and it's fantastic. It's an EV 90% of the time and on those few occasions when we tow or go on longer trips it's a gas-burning car that gets as much as 45 miles per gallon.
@@flt528 I wish it would, but the industry - outside of Toyota - seems to be going all-in on fully electric pickups. I could be wrong - maybe there will be a backlash because of the towing issue, which a plug-in would solve. But it seems this is where the industry is headed (although I suspect they'll be offer heavy duty trucks (F250s, etc) with big diesel and gas engines for years to come for serious work). Another issue with EVs and towing is charging. Due to the space restrictions at chargers, you'd likely have to unhitch the trailer, charge, and then hitch it up again. None of this matters if you're just going to a local lake with your boat or taking the utility trailer to Home Depot. But for long-distance towing - or just contractors who are towing a trailer around all day - EV trucks just aren't going to be practical. I own a Chrysler Pacific plug-in hybrid. I get around 30 miles per charge, enough to work and back. It covers about 90% of my driving as well. I get gas maybe once every two months - average about 35 mpg on the hybrid/gas combo. I never worry about charging and long trips are much more convenient - don't care what EV drivers say. It's the best of both worlds in my opinion.
GE owns the patent that diesel electric trains use. As far as I know that's still the standard for long range fuel efficiency. Unfortunately, they aren't licensing the technology for use in vehicles at this moment. Hopefully all commercial trucks will switch over eventually.
The same thing happens to All EV's. Ergo put 4 people in an EV and the range will drop significantly more than in say an ICE vehicle. EV's aren't ready for prime time.
This is/was a cold weather test. The moment you take one of these EVs out of the perfect sweet spot for temp you instantly lose range. It only gets worst the further you move away from that sweet spot. A fabulous Canadian Winter day you would see 1/3 of the range gone just because it happens to be -10c outside. The dirty side of EVs no one wants to really talk about. BTW extreme heat like in AZ and Texas where you see days above 100c also destroy the range.
If this is the performance you get with a new battery pack just imagine your capabilities after a couple of years ... Looks like the Lightning needs a $50,000 custom paint job and 40" mud tires ... the perfect driveway ornament
@@Neojhun in a couple years you'll need a new battery for tons of money. the gas tank on my 20 year old truck still gets about the same milage lolololol
The Nissan EV sales director once told me "EVs are task specific, they suit plug in at home commuting," and as the guy said, "if you have a road trip, rent a vehicle for the job." that being a ICE engine. So pretty stupid for America to focus on EV trucks.
Looks like you could have used a little more drop in your hitch to level the trailer out. Also probably should have towed the lightning home with the Raptor, so you could then go back and get the model A.
EV Batteries struggle to match the energy density of Gasoline. The standard battery in the Lightning F-150 is 98 kWh, which is equivalent to the energy content of 3 gallons of gasoline. Regardless of the low energy density, the F-150 lighting has a standard range of 230 miles on a charge, which is equivalent to 77 mpg on gasoline.
@@OswaldBeef if you want to talk lessons compare the same priced brushless r/c to a gas one lol. Electric left internal combustion behind a long time ago.
The stabilisation on the GoPro is fantastic....until the light drops just a little - ie indoors even in Wizard's garage - then it goes to crap. I'd recommend Hoovie upgrades to a couple of DJI Pocket 2s. Unfortunately you need at least two as they don't have interchangeable batteries so if you want to do a serious session of filming you need at least 2.
I had no interest in Model A Fords. Now there are 2 of them in my garage. The only thing that keeps me from getting another is I don't want to be "that guy." I've had classic muscle, modern classics and truly valuable cars but the Model A's are just a bunch of fun in ways I never expected. Weird!
Glad to see you're still banging around. I miss the vids, but I think I remember you said things changed and you can't anymore? Just wanted to say hello.
The problem is not really the efficiency (amount of range lost) it's the fact that you can't fit more range into the battery pack. With a gas car you can just toss in a gas can if you need more range.
THIS. This is what most people misunderstand. With gas cars you don’t notice that much the increase in consumption because you can fit so much more range in the tank compared to batteries.
The Rivian truck has an extra aux. battery that will fit in the tunnel. I don't see why you couldn't get some kind of generic bed mounted battery for long range trips. Even a rental battery, for times when you need to tow. Its not ideal, but if I saved $500 a month of gas driving to work and spent $500 once a year to rent a battery for vacation then it more than pencils out.
If solid state batteries ever become a reality and economically feasible they should improve both range and charge times by a lot, but the US charging infrastructure will need a lot of improvement too.
@@richardfarris2227 Conversion losses. There is a reason it works in trains, but is impractical on the road...they have build hybrids - not very practical in an automobile, hence they are not taking over.
In California a couple of weeks ago in September it was so hot people were asked not to charge their electric vehicles because the grid could not handle it.
@@beezalporquait That's the State that's going to ban gas engines. Why are there so many corrupt politicians in California ? Is it the system or the low information voter ?
This is very interesting, and also obvious with hindsight. You could have 4 passengers in the cab and some tools in the back and that's 1500 lbs easily.
12:29 I was thinking of how similar the start procedure and control set up was to a really old Ford tractor my dad had on our farm when I was growing up. And that Ford tractor (or at least one that looks VERY similar) shows up at this point in the video as Hoovie is loading the Model A onto the trailer. Kind of cool how the universe makes things work.
@@CharlesBartlett yep it took me a while to be able to drive my stated EV range but I've been able to do it. All about driving like grandma. Don't drove over 60-65mph if you can avoid it (esp if towing) as wind resistance/drag is everything to EVs.
@@CharlesBartlett Correct. The EV will have the same effeciency of ~95% all the time, no matter how you drive. A gasoline car will reach it's maximum thermal efficiency of maybe ~35% when towing, but during city driving it will be maybe 10% or so
EVs are toys. The real reason we are being forced this way is to concentrate us into city areas of mass. No need for transportation cars. Just mass transport to limited areas. Takes our right to freely travel away for most.
To be honest, if you're real about towing, most vehicles lose alot of MPG even if the load is light. My 4.6l V8 get 19 on the highway normally, but add a trailer and it can be as little as 10-12 mpg. This is why people have diesels, because they're great at maintaining efficiency under load. This seems pretty expected to me, but the companies have been wildly optimistic with their figures. To be fair though, most manufacturers don't give ratings for towing mpg....
So the EVs aren't everything the media says they are....🤔 Can you imagine if everyone had one.... everyone would be sitting at home waiting on the thing to charge up, after the rolling blackout...
Did Biden make him pay double for that car? He wanted the torque and acceleration. No environmentalists truly think electrics will replace all internal combustion engines as there isn't enough freely available lithium and cobalt for the batteries. We will need something like hydrogen for a fossil fuel replacement. The electric motors could be powered by fuel cells using hydrogen which is completely renewable.
@Bill I would love to have an electric car, especially a Tesla, but we shouldn't do drastic things that have collateral damage. Certain people can't withstand a drastic transition financially.
Pretty much exactly what I would expect. The Ford lightning isn't designed to do "truck" things nor is it the most efficient electric vehicle. It's a grocery getter that can take the boat to and from the local dock. Most truck owners don't "need" a truck, they "want" a truck and never use it as a truck. I am always amazed at the amount of short beds on todays trucks as they are not needed for most people. Also you lost a little bit of range from the rain, you had some added rolling resistance and 8 wheels on the ground.
Towing is all about aerodynamics. If you want to tow efficiently you can’t go over 45 mph. Which means side streets. Even without the trailer you can only go about 190 miles at 70 mph. The 240 mile rating is a mix between 30 mph and 60mph.
The Raptor would fit on your Aluma. You would have to take the fenders off load it then re install the fenders after its loaded. You should have the black twist offs at each end of the fender.
@@UhhhhhnooOOo00oO He meant the trailer fenders...to get the truck up there. Some people reinforce those fenders when they do this for a living, so they can just drive a vehicle over them. I still wouldn't do it, though. Wouldn't like the tire overhang for an expensive toy.
@@playdg I know this but, physics dictates that if the tires don't fit width wise, it's a non-starter. Unless you are going to tow with the tires removed. In that case, it's a whole other thing.
And you're driving on the flat terrain. Imagine towing that truck through mountainous terrain. You would probably only get 30 miles going over big mountain passes.
Aerodynamic drag. The weight of the trailer and load isn't really the biggest factor. Unless you are climbing hills, the biggest factor is that your trailer is even less aerodynamic than a brick. This is the biggest issue with EVs: reduction of air resistance.
@@YouWillNeverKnow - You'd be surprised, actually. The biggest hurdles when it comes to hauling are hills and air resistance. Hills are pretty obvious since it takes more energy to push something up hill than to roll it on flat ground. However, air resistance is a huge factor. I personally have built 4 electric vehicles in my life (yes, built, not bought) and I can tell you that air resistance is the biggest factor at any speed above 30mph or so. The amount of power used is proportional to speed CUBED. That's all air resistance.
