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Toxic Masculinity

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How can we understand the superficial label assigned to masculine behavior in today’s meme-driven style of discourse?
The Dream:
I am walking on what seems to be mountainous hills. A little ahead of me is what feels like my teenage daughter and a friend. It’s kind of like twilight. Then I see a giant size footprint on the hillside. Huge, like a natural wonder-of-the-world type of site. I point at it like the way one does when one sees something pretty or interesting on holidays. Then I take a photo.

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11 июл 2018

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@JenNagleInk 6 месяцев назад

Aggression is what takes the equil sign away and replaces it with greater than.

@deborahcamillerobinson9247 3 года назад

I'm coming to this so late. This is an excellent topic for this podcast. So much of this topic on other platforms has been expressed, in my personal opinion, in a very unsophisticated way. To the point Mr. Joseph brought up about the importance of distinction regarding the culture of boys and the culture of men I can understand and resonate with what he brought forth. From my vantage point, perhaps limited by my womanhood, perhaps not- I also observe it is not so much that boys and men are allowed to be aggressive but that they are entitled to be displeased. In many religous texts a recurring theme around women's duties is to be pleased with her husband (granted there are caveats). Though we see in mainstream media men who have ordinary lives are allowed to be displeased with the routine job or averagely attractive partner ( think of the male protagonist in a film, the archetypal working class man desiring more) yet when women cannot be pleased with the "ordinary" or "mundane" it is a sign of being an ingrate or a brat regardless of if she too is working, tending to children, and expected to be a present and attentive life partner/lover. Granted this also takes root in more than just the house of relationships. Masculinity has it's own dignity, just as femininity does. Both concepts misunderstood can also be destructive. Misunderstood being the most significant word. I do not align with the idea of toxic masculinity or toxic femininity. Thank you Mr. Joseph, Ms. Deborah, and Ms. Lisa for this excellent episode!

@sminter7521 3 года назад

That dream reminds me of a small child who sticks their foot into their parents shoes. Its a sort of symbolic act of emulation. To a small child the footprint of their parents is overwhelmingly big, and often we hear the phrase "following in our families footsteps." Im curious if the size difference of the giant footprint compared to her own would be relative to the size difference beetween a small childs foot to an adults..

@Carmel明慧 3 года назад

Beautiful dream.

@katherinedrexler2310 6 месяцев назад

They didn’t take time to define how “toxic masculinity” is used today in the culture and by different groups or sexes. Seems they tried to bring in Jungian ideas of anima and animus but it didn’t clarify what their understanding of the topic was. Perhaps the topic is too broad and should have been split out into smaller specific topics.

@abinraj640 3 года назад

Dream 29:15

@moze_R 4 года назад

So disappointed that you decided to talk about the topic of toxic masculinity only having done a quick “look up” of the term and decided it was merely a derogatory term used in memes. Only near the end did you very briefly touch on the term toxic masculinity as it’s used currently. With respect, maybe the discussion should have started from there.

@popeyethepirate5473 3 года назад

I disagree, what about toxic femininity?

@sminter7521 3 года назад

@@popeyethepirate5473 Hahaha exactly. If youre gonna talk about gender toxicity it might be a good idea to talk about toxic humanity in general, both feminine and masculine. I wouldnt separate the two, especially considering the term is so political. Any literal definition has been hijacked by ideologues. With that said, this team handled the topic really well and avoided the "political" definition mostly which basically (in my opinion) labels and shames men by portraying them as oppressors of womens' rights...

@marthasdagg3r 3 года назад

@melissa I agree - upon listening to this episode I feel that the whole point was missed and that the definition used in this instance isn't correct. Toxic masculinity in my mind and in today's society means something that is considered masculine in men's behaviour but that's doing them a disservice. For example, the idea that men who cry or express their feelings are weak or that men can't commit to a relationship without cheating. These are very simplified caricatures but they do impact men and lead them to think this is how they should behave to prove themselves to be masculine but it's toxic to them. Of course it involves aggression and potentially towards women but that's a separate discussion. I would be interested to hear more about this subject with this lens applied - where does it come from? How can men liberate themselves from this toxicity that seems to be infused from their childhood by society and education?

@tinabu352 2 года назад

@melissa it was a very difficult episode to listen to. they seem to think that nowadays young people are just angry and put things in binary boxes and call them toxic to avoid analyzing their own psyche. i found that assumption dismissive and contemptuous. and to @samantha 's point, I really wish they googled what toxic masculinity is first. i was hoping joseph would chime in to clarify because it seems he has more male clients. toxic masculinity is real. russian men, who are considered one of the most macho groups, drink so much vodka that their life expectancy is only 64 years. in the US, men commit suicide 3 to 4 times more often than women. it's so toxic it's actually killing men why would I label all masculinity toxic anyway? i am straight, I love men! eye roll

@andyroobrick-a-brack9355 7 месяцев назад

@@sminter7521The problem is that society favors different kind of people, consciously or unconsciously. To a Jungian, this kind of thing should be clear as day. Toxic femininity and masculinity alike are derived from patriarchal systems that favor men and roles that are seen as masculine. How often do you see a woman with a Choleric, dominant, traditionally "masculine" woman get called a bitch, and how often do you see contemporary men denounce such women as "manish?" Masculine culture taken too far denies all that is traditionally feminine, it effects both men and women who embody such values. If anything, toxic femininity, traditionally, would be subservience to an overly masculine standard, and the ultimate act of rebellion and individuation is to join these two ideals together in marriage. Remember, most masculine men are not "toxic," because toxic masculinity is not a real, tangible idea. It's a label designed to describe a social construct, an archetype taken too far. Anyone, regardless of sex or gender, can embody it, even if it favors men.