My salary has been the same for two years. Meanwhile gas prices are up $1.55 a gallon and housing prices have more than doubled. I guess I'll be living out of my car one day...
Seems they are too dumb to get it. A lot of I know what I got attitude. What you got is the same 27 Challengers no one wanted last month. Maybe they are counting on a bailout.
@@mkashay So, you think the market can possibly support higher prices when sales are down already? The very definition of the word "price" means "what the market will bear". If manufacturers what to sell vehicles, then prices MUST trend downward.
@@Kenjiro5775 Not a moment, but as dealers fail and you have to go further to find another, they will see no need to compete against each other. Long term that will lead to higher prices. Ever live in where there is only one grocery store or gas station within driving distance, higher prices in that scenario are all but guaranteed.
Here is Toyota's problem. The people who can afford to write a check for that truck are too financially savvy to buy a truck at that price, and the people who would finance it to buy it, are starting to get afraid of running up any more debt.
Dealers aren't selling cars, they're selling loans. And America isn't a country, its a corporation. The sooner we can all come to terms with that, the sooner we can move on smartly as consumers.
Can you sense the fluoride stare you're getting 😂. Most of them will never get the game being played on us. Instead they'll defend and support the systems and institutions designed to enslave us.
Those are some beautiful trucks. They look great sitting right there in the dealership lot. Looks like the people have more control over the market than we thought. Stay the path boys.
I’m 45 years old and I’ve financed one vehicle in my life. It got a rod knock 2 months before it was paid off. I had a backup vehicle to use while I acquired funds to have the motor rebuilt, but I will never again finance a vehicle. Cars and trucks are tools to be used, amalgamations of metal, glass, and plastic. Nothing more, nothing less.
Dad likes to say that as long as you're financing it, it's fine. But, the moment you get close to completely buying it or paying it off, suddenly, the vehicles start having problems.
Seems like everyone with the previous gen 5.7 V8 Tundra is planning to keep them forever. I know I am. Not worth selling, and there aren't any new trucks on the market worth buying IMO that could come anywhere close to matching the reliability.
@@ThisGuyRides Nobody ever vetts him. He dodged the draft during Vietnam and went to college for indoctrination. He is not a certified mechanic. Good for him making millions fooling people. I feel sorry for people who buy a used up toyoda based on his advice and face $$$ repairs.
Cash for clunker destroy many good working relaible 70's-90's vehicles, so USA Is stuck with high compresion, direct injection and aluminium monoblock.
Not necessarily, people still cheap out on their old cars still, then when they blow, they get junked and another customer emerges in the crappy new Toyota market.
I'm not paying $50k, $70K, or $90k for a truck. I paid $34k for my 2019 Tacoma TRD off-road 4wd. These greedy Toyota dealers with their markups and "market adjustment" BS can keep their trucks on the lot collecting dust.
I loved your podcast. Years ago I was a novice salesman at a midwestern Toyota dealership. Your accurate report hit home with me. The allocation of vehicles did not meet the customer demand. I was there during the introduction of the Rav 4. We generally received one or two transports of Vehicles each week. We would watch a transport pull into the drive then go behind the dealership to unload. All present salesmen would run out of their tiny offices, out the back door, run to the now parked transport. We would physically climb onto the trailer and inspect the sticker on each vehicle before unloading. Run like hell back to our office, pull out our " UP" file box and start calling customers. It was friggn nuts, we never could not get enough cars!
Went to a Toyota dealership last year. They wanted anywhere from a 5k-10k markup on everything i was looking at. walked away and told the salesman "goodluck"
If they raise prices and make double the profit they only have to sell half as many. Except they are selling more than half as many. Look at Toyotas profits and revenues and vehicles sold
When you look at a sticker price on a vehicle on a dealer lot, you just need to learn to translate. “Nitrogen filled tires.” = Walk away. “Paint protection.” = Walk away. “Market adjustment” = Run away.
Or just call the dealer and talk prices. Waaaay too many Toyota dealers think they don't have to negotiate price yet and some won't go below MSRP. Those are the ones that need to lose the most business.
Interesting that so many still drink the Toyota brand kool-aid and claim their Tundras and Tacomas never have those problems. I knew they were lying. There are plenty of recalls on Toyotas for a LOT more than just deadly floor mats.
I had one of them new cameras, and I had so much problems with the dashboard system. It would tell me I wasn’t holding the steering wheel when I was driving and it would flash red and white and give me error message. It was stupid. And then I got a ticket on it. It apparently sent my speed to the government to go find me with my GPS like I don’t want any car that has this GPS or cell service now.
You're right. And also......people are so incredibly broke now that they can't afford 85 thousand dollar pickups, even if they weren't junk. And that problem is going to get worse and worse. The UAW is infiltrating Toyota. That will make the price go up and the quality go down. And the professional liars in DC are about to start printing money again, which will make the value of the dollar decrease. It's going to be a bloodbath in 2025.
@@largol33t12 The irony is that the floor mat recall was a ploy to hide the fact that Toyota knew that their accelerator pedal assembly was the culprint for many unintended acceleration casualties. Documents from the Japanese wing of Toyota showed that there were communications discussing a defect with the pedal assembly that would cause it to get stuck in a depressed state. Since those vehicles didn't have a brake override feature, the brakes would lose power due to a lack of intake manifold vacuum since the throttle was stuck nearly wide open. There was a reason why Toyota was fined $1 billiion over the floor mat BS. The feds knew the Toyota was intentionally deceiving the public and regulators when they created that floor mat recall. Just like they were sued and lost a $3.6 billion dollar lawsuit back in 2016 because Toyota knew for years that their truck frames were rotting out prematurely. It was a problem even back during the 1st gen Tacoma.
When I was looking for a car? They were the most expensive and least willing to work with us. I went to Honda and they found the best car for us and price. No surprise!
Two things about Toyota. The sad elephant in the room is the Chinese car market, which is, by far, the largest in the world. ALL THE Legacies used it as a Cash Cow, because the Chinese car-buyers loved Legacies, and - for years, the Chinese domestics weren’t of high quality. Now, (like it or not) the Chinese are making excellent vehicles, mostly BEVs and Hybrids or plug-ins, due to significant anti-ICE dis-incentives. Ergo, Legacy sales have tanked, and the loss of income is significant. Second, Toyota is burdened with DEBT, and have recently borrowed even more. Toyota used-to-be THE Hallmark for product quality and manufacturing efficiency. Unfortunately, “old-school hubris” has done them no favors, and they have been too slow to adapt to an obvious disruption in the transportation sector. Nobody should be happy about any of this: It’s a disaster for a lot of working people. Brandon, you always explain things very well. Love both of your channels, and enjoy your interviews. 👊👍👍🫵
LOL the sticker actually said "nitrogen filled tires" for $199. Question 1) who still falls for that scam in 2024 2) Dealers should be penalized for attempting to sell stuff that is not a legit item. 78% of the earth's atmosphere is nitrogen.
Toyota can solve this issue easily take the LC500 v8 engine and calibrated to truck duties problem solved. Take a page from GM past playbook and used the tried and true LS1 V8 and use it in everything
I only bought new once and regretted it because I had a car payment. Never did that again. I buy older used cars that have tract record of few problems and durability. This has served me well for 40 years and probably saved me 100k over the average new car buyer with their loans and interest , I payments. I maintain my cars and trucks myself and rarely have a breakdown.
Remember, if you're not sure if the vehicle is made in Mexico, check the VIN number on the windshield. Does it start with a 3? Made in Mexico. Mine starts with a J, thank God. Made in Japan.
I owned a Mexico built Toyota Tacoma and the build quality is certainly not the same as the build quality in Japan so when it started giving me problems I sold it.. I don’t care what anyone says the build quality in Japan on vehicles is far superior so now I drive a 2023 Mazda CX 5 built in Japan
I owned a Mexico built Toyota Tacoma and the build quality is certainly not the same as the build quality in Japan so when it started giving me problems I sold it.. I don’t care what anyone says the build quality in Japan on vehicles is far superior so now I drive a 2023 Mazda CX 5 built in Japan
"It's frustrating for these salespeople to not have enough vehicles people actually want to buy." As a consumer, WELCOME TO OUR WORLD!! Lots are full of vehicles many of us don't want and can't afford. Even base model "work" trucks are hard to find and not to mention way overpriced. I have no sympathy for any frustrations salespeople have.
As a non American this was actually vert interesting video. I always found it crazy to see those big car lots. It’s something you never see in Europe. We buy new cars mostly build to order. Keep up the great video’s man!
@@cynthiawylie3584Some people like the higher riding and the utility of a pickup every now and then. This is America, we’re free to buy whatever we want
They should've put their engineering costs into an aluminum body and then used the weight savings to put a real hybrid system in it. You could have your reliable and proven v8 with good mileage and towing numbers. What they have now is just a wet fart compared to the previous tundras. All of their new trucks and suvs make me incredibly concerned for who in the hell is running toyota. The 4runner and Tacoma should've kept the engines they had and just went to hybrid. Nobody wants that turbo shit.
I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING ... You and I are researching the same dealership. It's right down from my home. I truly love your energy and knowledge. I just recorded another video here a couple of days ago. Keep up the great work.
I didn't think it possible, but Toyota USA has "worn out their welcome" with many U.S. consumers. They've put a match to years/decades of customer trust, goodwill and "brand equity". They could very easily fix this, but they won't. Toyota has become "just another car company".
I drive back and forth from PA to NJ weekly and I see a lot of cars and trucks but I rarely see anything brand new. I don’t see how people are buying $500,000 homes and $100,000 cars… I’ll keep my truck as long as I can.
In addition to the price and the. Motor issues. They also have transmission issues. I am in the market and wanted a Toyota. Now I am holding off until they get these issues addressed. I am so disappointed in Toyota’s response to the issues. I know all manufacturers can drag their feet. But I didn’t expect it from Toyota.
My brother is a line manager in a Toyota assembly plant. He said quality has plummeted; they’re hiring low quality workers which leads to a lower quality product. He pulls cars off the line daily for major assembly errors
Rav 4 too. Rav 4 limited hybrids are over $45k. The prime versions are $50k. 50k for a goddamm rav 4😂😂😂. Those vehicles are just going to rust in those lots😂😂😂
Two of my kids are driving 04 and03 Camrys we bought for $3k , put $1k into repairs. Both had for a few years. Told them they better keep up with maintenance and treat like a baby b/c finding an affordable used Camry to replace is non-existent.
Actually, I think the Camry's are selling. Local dealership here in Houston had zero 2025 Toyota's to show us when we were there a couple weeks ago. Fixed my 07 Camry instead with 163K miles. Squelched my wants and went with my needs.
Bought a toyota camry 6spd with just over 100k. Asked if I could pay extra for a warranty but they said they could not provide a warranty option because it had over 100k miles. Less than 2 years later the transmission went. I should've known better because they really pressed on me to buy that Camry saying it was the best used car they had on the lot. I will never do business with Koch 33 Ford/Toyota in Easton, PA again. Tried to buy a transmission online but they weren't readily available anywhere in the country and wanted to charge me over $7,000 for a new transmission. No thanks.
I got sucked into the idea that I needed a new truck every few years. I’d get a loan for 60k-70k. $1k payments. Same trucks cost 90k+ now. Best vehicle related decision I ever made was to get out from under those loans and pay cash for an old truck in good condition. I’ll never finance another vehicle.
If we could get those new lightweight work trucks that Toyota is selling overseas for 10K I'd buy one in a heartbeat. But not going to happen. Thanks 'Chicken Tax".
@asciiavatar: l was about to mention this when l saw your post. Getting trucks like those in America would be impossible. At this point l am beginning to think this could be collusion by the American car companies. If a relatively cheap reliable truck gets here, they would need to compete.
I got my Tacoma in back in ‘17 for $21k. 2013 base access cab with 54k miles, 2.7 4 cyl, 5 speed, 4x4. I saw the direction vehicles were moving in and told myself it would be my first and only “new vehicle”. Have it garaged and dailying my ‘89 4Runner now lol
You can hold out forever, (I have) I simply buy used vehicles from private long time owners with reciepts snd records. Snd pay only what I can afford to pay in cash
Actually, this is a part of the problem. Americans keep their cars for 2.5x-3x longer than, say, Japanese. Manufacturers are trying to make the new car not as long-lasting - that's why they are making turbos, not so much because of emissions regulations. That's a spiral: people holding on to their reliable durable vehicles with low book trade-in value; manufacturers trying to sell ever-less-reliable ever-less-durable ever-more-expensive vehicles to them. Something's gotta give! And it did. Chinese came up with methods to make vehicles providing 2x-3x value (either non-durable yet dirt-chip, or decently durable yet sensibly priced). But of course letting Chinese into the American market would kill off the domestic manufacturers, thus the prohibitive tariffs on Chinese cars in the US.
Last time I looked for a new car I quit looking at the brands that had a turbo and just went with a 6 cylinder. Turbos are just something else to give trouble.
Agree, will trade turbo power for reliability. Trucks don't have to be fast. Toyota knows how to make great N/A 4 cylinder trucks. No one better....without turbo.
Dealerships are loan brokers, just like universities. When auto loans went from max 3-5 year loans to 6, 7, 9, it inflated the pricing because they can sell larger loans with smaller payments. I’m gen x and remember when you could only get 3 year loans, then 5 came. The long financing caused inflation on the prices. Like universities went from 7 year to 20 year loans. Now the universities are sitting on Billions!
You’re spot on! I went to 4 years of college from a California State University and graduated in 1982. I owed nothing upon graduation. Graduates today begin their careers with tens of thousands of debt.
Can confirm. Our dealership has tons of trucks. We sell them down and they replenish them much faster than the other models. RAV4s and Highlanders, Corollas, and Corollas Crosses are getting scarce. Siennas are impossible. I've only sold used cars this month.
As someone who has been driving Toyota for since 1987 and my pickup truck is 7 years old, I have no plans on buying a pickup truck for at least another 10 years, I hope and I don’t understand why Toyota is making such bad decisions in the last 4 years??
@@dvaritek434 That's mostly a myth. 2020 Tundra ~ 14 MPG. 2024 Tundra ~ 17 MPG. The difference, about 19%, can be explained not so much by cutting number of cylinders and adding turbo as by adding direct fuel injection, which typically gives such improvement in MPG. Toyota - and others - could have reduced the V8 engine displacement a bit, and just move to dual injection, keeping the engine naturally aspirated. But then they'd end up with an engine lasting 250,000+ miles. What a horror! No, their bean counters tell them, even on a work truck, the engine must not last long beyond the typical financing term.
The other deal breaker is guys like Scotty Kilmer on RU-vid saying do not buy the new trucks ever since they went away from the V8s. He even said they would have engine problems.
He was right. I have two former long term Toyota mechanics who own their own mechanic shops. The 22+ V-6 Tundras are a nightmare I hear about too often. I feel like a king when I am driving my 2010 paid off Tundra when I see any new 22+ Tundra.
@@terrarecon Turbos are not worth the complexity in what is, ostensibly, a work vehicle. Yes, if you're a performance nut and are willing to maintain it scrupulously in a Nissan GTR or something, fine. But for Stuff That Needs To Work When You Need (not just Want) It To Work...ehhhhh.
@@hoilst265turbos have a performance curve. You need to make sure youre getting a turbo that performs at the rpm you commonly use. If you install a high rpm turbo on your work truck youre not going to get any performance upgrade.
Toyota? Is that the company that tried to sell us a Corolla for $42,000 during COVID? And then we bought a Mazda 3 instead for $28,000? Toyota? The company we will NEVER do business with again?
It's shitty. The market got so distorted during covid and many companies overplayed their hand. But I'd rather the people that are actually doing the R&D and building the car get the money than useless dealerships adding huge markups for nothing. Still, the fact is the real source of the problem is central banks and governments debasing our currency without proportional pay increases. That is where people should be directing their anger. This is not unique to cars.
Every manufacturer needs to start making BASIC VEHICLES. Get rid of all those sensors, cameras, heated seats/steering, panoramic moonroofs, fancy leather, expensive entertainment, chip keys, monitors, unneccesary tech.
I have a garage kept and babied 2018 Camry SE with 23000 miles on it as a 3rd car. It was bought brand new. Every person I have told that I may just sell it cause I really don't need it has basically said they or someone they know would buy it today. People really desperate for a quality used car, or something affordable for their kids.
I sold new 2002-2003 Camrys and corollas when they were brand new. Such great cars. I remember the sticker prices back then were around $21-22k for LE Camry and 17kish for the corolla. We need more basic and economical cars back.
The perception about Toyota right now is that your motor will blow the block and they'll tell you that there is no warranty because their tires aren't rated for over 85 mph.
If Toyota isn’t going to back its product it has no real advantage over other dealerships. It isn’t the 80-90s anymore where Toyotas last forever they will likely need some work it was just always easy to get done.
@@EmmyPierz-ek7hi so? Race cars go 100s and are fine. Toyota isn’t in law enforcement and is just getting out of paying. This will only make them lose the good reputation they had and become another car dealer.
They didn't say that the tires weren't rated for 85; just that driving 85 voids all warrantees for reasons... For the untested turbo truck engines, the perception is that the engine will blow up and it will take a couple years to get any type of resolution. For the Tacoma, the perception is that you can't drive it on snow and that one downshift will destroy the transmission.
i have a 1997 landcruiser and a 2000 tundra. I've been fixing it myself from parts online. Lability insurance and both have more than 250k used miles. Not planning to get a new car/truck any time soon, not only due to the price but also being able to fix it yourself compared to being ripped up by the dealerships service.
@jeabo0adhd that is an awesome way of phrasing it "Credit Culture Products" (CCP). Cheap products continuously keeping us in debt to slave our lives away just like the party.
I bought my 2021 used Toyota Highlander from a Hyundai dealership. No add ons. No BS. I went to three Toyota dealerships and all the Toyota sales people were arrogant jerks.
theyve been spoiled because of the name Toyota....they will start suffering now. The vast amount of people ive seen in these dealerships recently appear to be under educated or of a lower economic background...The only people buying their product are those that are trusting the name the most, and not the educated consumer.
Buying new vehicles keeps poor people poor. Even someone with $1M in the bank shouldn't be spending 9% of that total on a new truck. Or even 5% on any new car for that matter. Buying 3-5 yr old vehicles in the $15-20K range is my personal sweet spot (which varies for everyone) and has saved me a lot of money. Not to mention property taxes (not all states have) and insurance.
When is anything I see you post about on here going to hit Oklahoma? Used prices and New prices are out of hand and I don't see any dealers struggling or overloaded with inventory.
Even if the price was half that, I wouldn’t touch a Tundra. The twin turbo six is a pile of junk. Whoever decided to remove the V8 should have been fired.
The gas mileage is about the same between the V8 and the turbo 6 per the EPA, but if get on the boost, mileage drops like a rock. They are switching to turbos because there is lower emissions.
Truthfully, the V8s that other manufacturers do still carry are no better. If you want a reliable truck, stay away from gasoline. Diesel or electric models are better these days, at least in the 1500 segment.
I’m so happy that I am a responsible adult who makes good decisions and doesn’t have unscheduled children and plans for my purchases which are made with cash. We have a sweet house, 2 late model cars completely paid for, lots of fun paid-for toys, and no debt except a little left on my mortgage. You can be me also. Work hard, don’t borrow much, bring value to people in your profession, and don’t be the typical unfocused, overweight, substance-using American 😮😮😊😊. You guys go ahead and buy stupid $60,000 trucks with 6 year loans at 8% interest. Not me, baby!
Was dead set on a 2024 4runner TRD pro. Got serious this month and started looking in earnest. After seeing it and the prices going well over 60k out the door, just didn't feel right.
Crazy that nobody wants to build trucks for people who are not wealthy. A cheap basic truck is what I need, not a luxury truck with all the bells and whistles.
Just like the housing market. Gone are the $100k-$150k starter homes in safe neighborhood Gone are the affordable reliable new trucks and sedans under $20k. Makes you wonder if it’s something other than greed happening. We need a used vehicle for my spouse since he’s retiring and losing his work car but there is absolutely nothing available in our price range that’s safe. Want a 2010 Toyota or Honda with better safety features than our current 2003 Pontiac vibe. I’d like to be able to sit in school carpool lane without praying not to be “that car” which needs a jump :) We had to sell our 2004 suburban because it was becoming a money pit with repairs we couldn’t do ourselves but also we needed the money to pay taxes for the first time ever. Our 2009 Subaru blew up on our last son just as we were getting ready to sell it to him for $1. Now he’s driving our 04 Avalon which isn’t a very sexy ride for a 20yr old on the look haha.
I keep seeing video after video how all these dealerships, car companies, and even banks are "done" yet. you wake up the next day, the next week, the next month , the next year and there they are.. just an observation.
Man there’s a Toyota by my house a whole lot full of new vehicles then you drive 5 miles down the street to my local mall they have a whole parking lot full of Toyotas too. I’m like who tf are buying these high ass cars!?
I can tell you how they are making it up - in the service department. I went in for my free oil change and tire rotation and they bombarded me with $900 of "Toyota Recommended" maintenance. Funny thing, none of it was on the maintenance schedule.
Same here. My friend is a toyota tech and he says they are desperate to make profit, even screwing with their mechanic pay, playing games and percentages on what they are OWED for they work. So much overhead and now bad product....shame toyota, shame......
@@davidbeppler3032 A lot more than that. They have a mandatory "VIP" program that includes 7 free oil changes and other things for $999 when you buy a car. It was in '22 (Covid) when I got my Rav4 Hybrid so there was no negotiating it off.
I was going to upgrade my 2013 Tacoma this year to a Tundra, but Toyota dropped their V8 from the Tundra. I need my truck to work for me, tow a bigger boat and loads of firewood, but not with the complicated turbocharged V6 they come with now. Looking at other brands now.
I bought a new Highlander XLE AWD in 2015 for $36k. Drive it over 200k miles, and sold it for $11,500. I wanted to replace it with a Hybrid Highlander last year. I was told it would be $55k. $20k more. I ended up buying a Grand Highlander Hybrid for the same price. I think much of it has to do with all the new tech on board. So much more complicated, because every company thinks they need keep up. Truth is most of the tech goes unused.
The problem all the companies have is they build trucks and cars with too much unnecessary garbage. All the modules and electrical mess in the cab that only young people can comprehend how to operate. None of older crowd wants this junk. They need to build a simpler vehicle that is 25k cheaper at least. Needs a seat, steering wheel and ac. Maybe a radio, not a big screen tv.
I bought a 2006 Tacoma 4 door 6' bed with 150k miles for 6,500 bucks in January. Im happier than ever and will put 5k into it and drive it for another 25 years. The hell with these greedy dealers and crappy product put together in Mexico.
@@davidbeppler3032 They'll tell you to take a hike, and go to the next person on their list, cash or not. The video mentioned that even at that price, the market for the Rav4, Corolla and Camry (yet the Big 3 said the sedan market is dying....) is such theyare selling as fast as dealers can get them.
Wow! Excellent explanation of Japanese economy, interest rates and foreign exchange effects. I always knew you were a genius at heart. Glad to hear the Toyota dealer treated you with kindness. My 3rd corolla is at 350,000 miles and is going strong. Thank you for all your hard work and down to earth reviews.
Mazda is eating Toyota's lunch these days. They almost went under some time ago, and it appears all the "fat cats" departed from the management - there was nothing to appropriate for them, and nobody would give Mazda a large loan. So, Mazda had to find out what the customers want, and to deliver. Not right away, not without fail, yet they are definitely trying hard. Toyota's management, on the other hand, kept living large, and borrowing huge amounts of money. Their debt is approaching a quarter TRILLION dollars now! They still remain Toyota, a company with a culture of quality, yet being able to borrow so heavily distorted their customer focus quite a bit. Test-drove the latest Lexus RX 350h this weekend. Tons of bells and whistles! Yet its large screen is glossy and reflects like crazy - you can't see sh*t in sunglasses. We have owned Lexus vehicles for over a quarter of century now, and still do. Yet 2024 is not a year of Lexus Total Quality anymore. They better change their attitude, and pronto! For a contrast, test-drive upper trims of Mazda CX-90, or even previous-generation CX-9. Not as flashy, but everything is ergonomic and everything works well. Driving dynamics is ridiculously more attractive than that of competing Lexus. And shall I mention the real street prices the Mazdas are going for, compared to the Lexus?
I'm looking for a used car not more than 12-15k and I make more than 88k a year. I just want an A to B car. No point in spending 70k plus on a car when the value of it drops as soon as you sign for it and drive it off the lot.
Toyota family for 20 years. Just bought two new Subarus this year. Not playing Toyotas game while they fail to properly balance supply and demand. They’re losing out.
The current land cruiser are junk anyway. 60k and no leather, small second row and battery in the truck limit 160lb load. 😂 60k was the price of Gx470, a way better suv.
best part is that the dealers are only offering trades at wholesale repo prices. I bought my 4runner from this exact dealership and they spit in my face when I offered to buy a second vehicle from them (LandC). Dealers are cooked if they dont want to follow KBB.
These vehicles are being priced as if the average American has tons of disposable income and interest rates are < 3% These manufacturers/dealers are completely out of touch with reality.
