Toyota GR86 vs Supra: The Unfair Comparison

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The 2023 Toyota GR86 Premium has an MSRP of ~$33,500 and my 2020 Toyota Supra Premium was about $56,000 and has some mods. The Supra is nearly twice the price but is it twice the car? And which one is actually better to drive?
The Supra and the GR86 represent the high and low end of the GR lineup. Yes, I bought both. Here are my honest thoughts on each car in this back to back comparison.
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@RandyWhatever Год назад

Owned a 2016 Scion FR-S, then a 2019 TRD 86 that was Supercharged on E85 making 350whp. I sold the 86 for a 21 Supra but just recently sold the Supra and picked up a 2023 GR86. The Supra was fast but honestly to me driving a slow car fast was a lot more fun than driving a fast car slow. I also missed the manual transmission so much. There is a reason why I've owned all 3 generations of the twins. I will probably get a manual Supra if I can get my hands on one.

@jamesmedina2062 Год назад

Be yourself! I'm like you. I prefer a lighter car and one with versatility. It seems the new GR86 has a wider powerband and to be honest the engine sounds are more entertaining than the Supra. But a big engine car does fill you with adrenaline and that can be fun too. Those are fun just from the monster sound they make

@Yggdrasill8 Год назад

I hate to say it, but driving my 84hp, 2021 Hyundai i10 in certain situations can be more fun than driving my 2020 3.0 Supra GR. Constantly hitting the gas on the i10 way early on a turn where as on the Supra, I'm just waiting or lightly tapping on pedal lol. I'm thinking on getting a Mazda RX5 RF, but I'm leaning more on a GR86

@jamesmedina2062 Год назад

@@Yggdrasill8 ever notice the people bit by the upgrade bug can never hold onto a high horsepower car for long? NEVER HAPPY

@JacesOwnWorld Год назад

So you basically just told everyone that you can’t handle fast cars 🤣

@RandyWhatever Год назад

@@JacesOwnWorld I've told everyone that I prefer a manual GR86 over an Automatic GR Supra. My last sentence states that I will get a manual Supra when I get the chance and I just got the chance yesterday. Fast cars are fun but it's short lived when you go past the speed limit way too quick during daily driving. It's fun to push the limits on the GR86.

@BH-BH Год назад

Terribly unfair! I’ve owned two BRZ’s and now the Supra 3.0 - absolutely no comparison, and I really enjoyed the BRZ.

@ramanmonkey Год назад

How are you liking your 3.0 supra?

@Barbwire710 Год назад

I owned a GT86 for nearly 4 years and rented a Supra on vacation. The Supra was so special, I never wanted to get out of it. Did 500 miles in two days, went to as many canyon roads as I could. Agreed 100%. Supra is what I always wanted the GT86 to be.

@jamesmedina2062 Год назад

@@Barbwire710 The Supra injects you with adrenaline I imagine while the other is like a lemon or orange you have to try to squeeze as much power and pace from.

@MKu64 Год назад

I assume the BRZ you owned were the previous gen? I ask because after driving both.... there is definetely no comparison, but for me it's the GR86/BRZ that was so much better to drive (and less claustrophobic). Each to there own, but it's so good to drive. The old model less so as the power just wasn't there.

@emissarygw2264 Год назад

@@MKu64 yeah on paper seems like power/weight of the new brz is about the same as the previous wrx, which is IMO just enough to feel decently satisfying.

@autosenses2960 Год назад

Great job! I watched the whole thing. I have a GR86, I also want a Supra. Never Ends!

@aimanfitri0iv Год назад

at the end of the day both cars of fantastic but i do love the gr86

@daytonglitch Год назад

Love the camera angles on the drive!

@NitroAdventure Год назад

Thanks for the great review and for show the capabilities of the cars. Wonderful driving skills as well.

@revmatchtv Год назад

Glad you enjoyed it

@xkimopye Год назад

Thanks for the video, took my girlfriend’s 2013 86 onto a great mountain, it was so much fun.

@ViPER5RT10 Год назад

I've been clamouring for a supra for a while. I was close to saving up for one but life happened and I have to use some of that money for moving and finding a new home now. I hope to get back on track at some point because this is one of my dream cars. The viper is second but only because it's damn expensive and much more of a pipe dream than an actual goal...

@Ukno3wh0dizb Год назад

Honestly I’m grateful for this video I’m on the dense about both cars and which one I should get

@pepe8196 Год назад

Dynamically, my opinion is the GR86 is the superior car for driving enjoyment.

@jamesmedina2062 Год назад

For most driving the Supra will not allow you to push throttle all the way. He could only do that in straights. So he is taking it to track because regular roads won't allow that. So the lighter car can explore the limits more and you can push it further.

@davepaturno4290 25 дней назад

@jamesmedina2062 You can say the same thing about a new Miata, except you would also have the benefit of top down driving, making a momentum car more enjoyable. But on the highway, the Supra is a rockstar/ballistic missile that makes the extra cost and exclusivity all the more worthwhile.

@adventuresofjandk Год назад

Great video

@myairspace121 Год назад

I'm straight out of college actively trying to get my first engineering job so I can finally afford an 86. Please be soooooooon

@galibrahman5589 Год назад

Same boat.

@jaydenherrera3053 Месяц назад

Did you get it?!?

@touayaaj84 Год назад

Just took my Supra to the Tail of the Dragon and you can definitely feel the weight, 3400lbs. However, it’s handling and power delivery is second to none with the ZF transmission. I really enjoyed it on the tail.

@jamesmedina2062 Год назад

its odd like that in that 2800 lbs versus 3400/3500 is noticeable huh? I drove my friend's BMW 135 twin turbo and the power, engine mass, and car mass did not feel light in the mountains. You have to measure yourself to not add too much sauce.

@revmatchtv Год назад

@@jamesmedina2062 500+ lbs is a LOT. Very noticeable.

@Star.Chaser Год назад

@@jamesmedina2062 they don’t feel heavy at all… my 135 hatch was wild on tight mountain passes

@aogawa22 Год назад

Thanks for the review. I've owned a supercharged FR-S for 9 years before getting my 3.0 GR Supra. I must say I definitely love driving my Supra more than twice as much as the FR-S. Considering I put in over $15k in performance modifications in the Scion, not including an engine rebuild due to spinning a bearing, the Supra is by far the better choice in hind sight.

@pepe8196 Год назад

Interesting . I owned a 2013 Supercharged BRZ. That was the most fun car I ever owned. That car is better in every way to the Supra besides the shitty subaru engine. Currently own a 987.2 Cayman S

@davidpac4 Год назад

Good to know! Currently have a supercharged Frs and been debating on if it will be “worth it” once I get my Supra. Put a deposit, down now just have to wait.

@dirkdiggler2379 Год назад

man.. i have a tacoma and beat a new 2022 GR86 LOL.. hilarious.. the thing is slow...

@KTH96 Год назад

@@dirkdiggler2379 a tacoma is lower than a 1st gen, guy was probably in the break in period and didn't want to rev the engine too much. Besides you're not chucking a tacoma into corners anytime soon

@dirkdiggler2379 Год назад

@@KTH96 bro he was canyon carving on the straight away I beat him lol

@Gustinpham Год назад

Thank you for doing this comparison! I just sold my 21’ STI to try and get into a built from the ground up sports car and these two are my top picks. I’ve driven the supra and an n55 m2. The supra felt much more special to me and I have to find a gr86 to test drive. Thank you again!

@jamesmedina2062 Год назад

but STI practical too no? What were any complaints?

@oldmanmike4995 Год назад

@@jamesmedina2062 no such thing as a 4 door sports car.

@supralyfe1206 Год назад

@@jamesmedina2062 Left my 15 STI and went back to a Supra (Made the mistake of buying a 2.0 first). STI is fun and has a raw feeling but when going to modify it gets expensive. Way more expensive then pulling power out of the Supra. Of course, the Supra has a higher price tag MSRP vs MSRP but it responds better to mods. The STI also just felt like a cheap drive when comparing interior as expected. The Supra is a bit more fun to throw around corners and mess around a bit on the highway but the STI just felt great to drive. Better steering feedback and of course the manual. The STI was a bit more practical if you live in an area that sees regular snow due to AWD and has four seats but if you dont regularly have many passengers then four seats is negligible. The trunk opening on the STI was small so getting large items in could be a pain. The Supra can fit a decent amount of items in the the rear hatch but less over all than the STi. You can't go wrong with either car in the end but I'd take my Supra over my old STI any day.

@emissarygw2264 Год назад

@@supralyfe1206 for a primary car for an outdoors person who also wants something fun to drive, wrx/sti are hard to beat (I'm driving WRX). Awd and cargo space for ski/snowshoe, can throw a couple rolled up SUP in back etc. My gf got a "practical" car now though, so I'm also looking to move to something less practical - Z, supra and gr86 are at the top of my list 😎

@davepaturno4290 25 дней назад

@@emissarygw2264You will find that the rarity of GR Supras make a big difference in the attention and respect you get. I see my 2024 Supra 45th Anniv. as almost like an exotic car. GM made 30,000 C8 Corvettes last year. They are far more common and yet not nearly as reliable as any Toyota/Subaru/BMW.

@randomdude6190 Год назад

Bro knows how to review cars 😳 subbed

@revmatchtv Год назад

I appreciate it!

@KiraOniiChan Год назад

I had the 1st gen, loved it but that torque dip really killed the car because it would happen making left turns at intersections, like come on lol. Now I got a 2023 Neptune Blue GR86 as a daily driver and I think the power is just fine and it's everything the 1st gen should have been, really love the car.

@emissarygw2264 Год назад

Nice! Yeah I have a wrx and went to test drive a brz a few years back... Couldn't stand the dip. The new model looks like it checks all the right boxes finally, but now there's the Z and Supra to consider 🤔 Loving the sudden choice of MT cars to choose from!

@ploxyzero Год назад

i used to have a '97 NA miata and recently upgraded to a '21 supra 3.0 premium supra is a ton of fun in the canyons but i still miss myself banging through the gears in my miata with the top down...i'm lowkey thinking about going back to a Miata (although probably an ND bc it would also be my daily) because it's really hard to justify the price of the surpa when I can't even use all that extra power most of the time 😅 really the only place I can have a lot of fun in the supra on public roads is long, winding canyon roads like angeles crest. but the miata was fun to drive literally anywhere!

@davepaturno4290 25 дней назад

You should've kept the Miata AND added the 3.0 Supra. That's what I did. My NC miata has a manual and the Supra, an auto. My wife has a Lexus SUV, so no worries!

@nornibres Год назад

Great review. Colin Chapman was right, lighter is better. It honestly looked like you were carrying more speed through the corners in the 86. The 86 is just great bang for your buck. I've actually gone the opposite way when buying tires, instead of going wider, I go a little narrower. You give up a little traction, and the handling limits aren't as high, but in my experience the car seems to communicate a little more clearly allowing you to explore the limits more easily, and at a lower speed. This may not be great for the track, but for the street it works for me. Enjoyed the video.

@revmatchtv Год назад

I'm pretty sure I was carrying more speed in the 86. With my new 295 tires, the suspension is not properly dialed in and the tires were rubbing the front fenders so I was taking it a bit easier.

@TrojanRabbit521 2 месяца назад

I found just lowering springs gave me the communication I wanted in the twins. Same with Abarth I don’t know why just getting an inch lower helps so much.

@crazylegson2 Год назад

Love your videos. Great comparison. Btw, what tire are you running, and what size?

@revmatchtv Год назад

On the Supra I'm running 295/40/18 Maxxis VR-1. They are a track focused, street-legal tire. The GR86 has OEM Michelin Pilot Sport 4 215/40/18

@Aquaman-01 Год назад

Bro thank you for taking the time to make this video, I found the information very helpful. At this point I'm leaning heavily towards getting a gr86 as it would be my weekend fun car as opposed to a daily. I'll probably wait till the rv issue has been resolved , how has reliability been on the supra as an owner , I remember hearing about oil consumption issues in the beginning of the life cycle of the supra.

@revmatchtv Год назад

I think the RTV issue is a bit overblown imho. There have only been 2 cars that had an issue and Toyota warrantied those. There are over 12,000 of these on the road now. I may pay the dealer to drop the pan in a few thousand miles, but idk honestly. My Supra has been dead reliable. The only issue I've had is the subwoofer buzzes sometimes. The engine has been stout and it's tuned to 500whp.

@touayaaj84 Год назад

@@revmatchtv 35,000 miles and zero issues with the Supra as well.

@michaeljohn1160 Год назад

@@revmatchtv completely agree. I have a 2022 gr86. Don’t care about rtv issue. It’s under warranty for 3 yrs. After the warranty ends, extend it. Waiting is stupid. The world will blow up before they solve the issue. It’s a fantastic car. Supra is nice, but way too much. Gr86 picks up where the 1970 Datsun 240z left off. Mines the base. So is my 2018 brz. No power or heated seats. No different modes for driving. Although the hill assist was stupid. Gr86 is a great daily. With snow tires, it’s even better.

@Aquaman-01 Год назад

@@revmatchtv if you could only have one, which would you choose?

@revmatchtv Год назад

@@Aquaman-01 The Supra is better in traffic and has more creature comforts and has enough cargo space for my needs.

@ericfris5823 Год назад

Love your review! Can you link to your "buying at MSRP" video you mentioned?

@revmatchtv Год назад

I think it's buried in a recent video somewhere. I'll do a dedicated one in the future. Basically, call a bunch of dealers, out of your area. Find one that will sell you one at MSRP and be prepared to wait for up to a year.

@katanamast279 Год назад

Man I love the new supra in this yellow color. I would totally buy it in that color if I could

@idkcheesecake5080 Год назад

Gr 86 is better bc half the price/no fake vents and no air buffeting when windows down

@ChowderTIO 11 месяцев назад

Considered both and don’t regret getting 86 premium halo a week ago. Supra was amazing and I had a very difficult decision. Had both been available on day I picked up 86, I’m not sure which I would a bought.

@hau5muzeek 3 месяца назад

half the power too

@monkmoto1887 Год назад

I have a 94 eclipse gs 5speed 4g63 2.0 non turbo fwd and I love it. I know it’s not the awd turbo gsx. I’ll never run a 10 second quarter mile with it (I have bikes for that stuff anyways) but it’s such a joy to drive anywhere on any road that I don’t miss the turbo power. 2500lbs wet and 135 hp it’s a total canyon chasing drivers car like the old British roadsters and lotuses and such

@aitorgallego98 Год назад

I had a 98 eclipse GS with the same 4g63 non turbo motor and a downpipe and exhaust fit in it, It was an awesome car, just very good 👍

@BroVCam 11 месяцев назад

Really wish Yota would've just thrown thie 2.0 Supra power plant in the 86 and just offered the Supra with the 6! But everything is all about $ and guess some numbers guy told them it wouldn't be lucrative! Oh well. Great review as always! ✌🏽❤️✊🏽

@jamesmedina2062 Год назад

I think 255 and 245 tires would be more than capable for your canyons. The lightness will really be apparent. The road feel with shorter sidewall will increase feel. I feel it when I take 10 lbs off each corner on my Honda. Lots of things improve. Remember that cars that had 295 like the Pantera and Countach(?) had a shorter wheel so they were not too heavy. Great review btw. I enjoyed it.

@revmatchtv Год назад

OEM tire size is 255/275. I have 295s on for track duty.

@afoxwithahat7846 Год назад

The road feel with shorter sidewall (than factory) will increase feel but make the car slower overall. Not sure if that's worth it, unless you like the look of a skin rubber instead of a proper tire, but even then.

@jamesmedina2062 Год назад

@@afoxwithahat7846 I suggested a 255 in the back. I didn't mention the rest but say if its 40 series how would this be slower? Acceleration is quicker with a shorter and a lighter tire. Faster accel to 100 mph.

@naughtysmurf64 Год назад

I have a 2015 TRD FRS and I have to say it is fun as hell to drive. I did do the UEL and Stage 2 tune to eliminate the torque dip....but still thinking about going GR Corolla for the best of both worlds.

@davepaturno4290 25 дней назад

The GR Corolla is great, but the GR Supra is much better.

@cesarcampos39 Год назад

I definitely agree to disagree about what you said about the supra when managing the car, but also remember too little T is a very tight road for that high horsepower car. You would definitely have way more fun taking that car up ACH where the road is fast and wide.

@AndyC3.0 Год назад

I love driving my BMW Z4 M coupe it's great in the city and in the Canyons, it's power and handling is Sublime !

@revmatchtv Год назад

Great car!

@dirkdiggler2379 Год назад

damn bro.. love that car.. wish I could afford one.

@Moneysignteve Год назад

that red on the gr86 is so alert and aggressive

@revmatchtv Год назад

Track bRED is the name. I waited a long time to get a color that wasn't white, black, grey or silver. I wanted Netpute blue, but I couldn't find one in the spec I wanted.

@MWR3 4 месяца назад

Quality content! And I really liked that insight at the end, keep it up!!👍

@korrosiv3 Год назад

where are you driving??? the backdrop is so scenic!!!!

@revmatchtv Год назад

California =)

@DustinTavo 4 месяца назад

I want your roads wow. That’s a awesome spot for driving and bikes damn.

@alphaironheart Год назад

My friend owns a Scion FR-S the car itself is too small for me, but I will say as a passenger the car is awesome. He already put in a turbo and E85 little thing is pretty quick, sounds like a jet taking off.

@davepaturno4290 25 дней назад

Sadly, it's not a Supra....

@YLT85 Год назад

I've owned a 13 FRS and now own a 22 GR86. I've test driven the new A90 Supra on multiple occasions and have driven friends' Supras. I still prefer the GR86. It's more fun to drive imo. Power output is actually decent now compared to the last gen, your butt dyno definitely feels the difference. Visibility in the Supra is not as good as the 86. The Supra is still a good car nonetheless.

@beexiong2995 Год назад

thetopher dropped in a 1st gen 4.3 rear diff and it made a huge difference. something to look into.

@revmatchtv Год назад

Interesting! I'm actually happy with the acceleration and torque. I'd rather not have the engine revving on the hwy and losing mpg. I'm going to make incremental mods to the car which I'll detail in upcoming videos.

@thebestplayer7356 Месяц назад

Where are you driving at? This roads are amazing

@darksunrise8777 Год назад

Love both of these "Toyotas"! LT was a great choice for this review. In the canyons, I generally prefer lower limits and lighter weight, so I'd take the 86. There's something about driving a slow car fast that's more rewarding to me. On the track, power is definitely addictive (some of my favorite cars have been 350-450 whp rwd) so I'm guessing I'd prefer the Supra. But really can't go wrong either way, both will be fun in any sporty driving.

@emissarygw2264 Год назад

My take is - driving a slow car fast is fun when you're alone on the road, but when there's people around you (on track, commuting) the important thing is to "smoke 'em" 😂

@manueldelcaribe Год назад

Supra is Toyota only in the badge LoL 😂

@emissarygw2264 Год назад

@@manueldelcaribe wow hot take, you heard it here first guys

@manueldelcaribe Год назад

@@emissarygw2264 Toyota GR86 is just better and if you think with 30k of money difference you can smoke the Zupra anytime just add a Turbo kit pro tunning is more fun because you build the car by yourself and Is way more reliable than BMW no matter the fanboys say and if you put a turbo in the GR86 with proper tunning you can run in low 12's and smoke any Supra all day long ... Supercharger still fun and run in Highs 13 and you don't need to spend 30 k with 15 k mods is enough to destroy any GR Supra just saying 😂

@emissarygw2264 Год назад

@@manueldelcaribe I mean, I like the gr86 and all, but how is that not equally "Toyota only in the badge" 🤔 Also, I doubt after 15k worth of mods it would be "reliable" anymore. Pretty sure nobody ever trusts a modded car when buying used.

@MeesterMan00 Год назад

At long last, no matter how unfair its still fun to compare

@revmatchtv Год назад

For sure. I have another unfair comparison lined up that I'm shooting next week.

@brana1646 Год назад

Where are you driving? It's beautiful!!

@Mr99Burns Год назад

I own 23 gr86 se manual. I tried the Supra but prefer the 86 for it lightness visibility and it just feels more youthful and modern.

@davepaturno4290 25 дней назад

Translation: You couldn't easily afford the Supra 3.0.

@Mr99Burns Год назад

I own GR86 and like everything about it including the price but Supra is a lot easier to daily because it’s less raw and more insulated.

@gshaw7477 10 месяцев назад

Picked up my new GTS GR 86 just recently. One big let down was no satellite navigation. Apple car play is great but listen Toyota engineers…..phone maps don’t work when out of mobile range which is very frequent where I drive in Australia. I had sat nav in my previous 2017 86 so very disappointed that this one very handy feature was left off the list in the upgrade. Also no spare wheel.

@weegabgab4687 Год назад

I owned 2022 Manual gr supra and i test drive the brz and i love. But the new manual supra now is so good for me

@revmatchtv Год назад

I drove the manual Supra a couple months ago. It's fantastic! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-mBq_iMVfDbA.html

@19hundoc47 21 час назад

There weren’t manuals in 2022, don’t you know what car you drive lol

@connorbegley8464 Год назад

Great video! Do you know if the gr86 a good car for a taller person?

@revmatchtv Год назад

My friend who is 6'2" has driven it with no problem. There's more cabin space than a Miata. The interior dimensions are very similar to the first gen, so see if you can find one to sit in.

@TerryManitoba Год назад

Great videography BTW Since you drove all 3 GR Corollas & Supra & GR 86 If availability was equal and the price for "one vehicle" no object - which one of the above you would get for track days For a bit more fun - under the same restrictions which one would you get for a canyon carver/daily driver/no kids???

@davepaturno4290 25 дней назад

2024 GR Supra 3.0 - easy decision!

@TerryManitoba 25 дней назад

@@davepaturno4290 To late !!! My White GRC Circuit is arriving in a few weeks👍

@davepaturno4290 25 дней назад

@@TerryManitoba Enjoy!

@TerryManitoba 25 дней назад

@@davepaturno4290 I'll try...

Год назад

What is the most popular color in the supra lineup? ..what do u think about the" c u later gray" color ?

@revmatchtv Год назад

White is most popular from what u understand

@DangerNoodlez144 Год назад

So this 86 is good for tofu delivery! Good to know!

@lindenmackwell9755 Год назад

I ordered one from a dealer that doesn’t do mark ups and my dads looking for one so I went to my local Toyota and said I’d toils match the price I’ll buy it today then I gave the one I ordered to my dad then I went ti another toots dealer and said I just bought one for mrsp will you match that price and they did and I got that one for my brother so we all got gr86s for mspp

@theenginecode Год назад

great comparo vid! how did you get your gr86 for msrp? i can’t seem to find your other video that explains it. i’m looking into buying either a gr86 or ‘23 manual supra.

@revmatchtv Год назад

I put a deposit on my GR86 last fall at Longo Toyota and waited 11 months. They sell everything at MSRP.

@theenginecode Год назад

@@revmatchtv lucky! I had spoken with them about both a supra and a tacoma trd pro, but they weren't able to add me to their list.

@gryphon123456 Год назад

I’m very much of the Colin Chapman philosophy. I love a tossable light car and you can grow with that car. It rewards top tier driving more where the supra has lots of power but threading apex’s it matters less. At the end of the day they both deliver plenty of smile.

@BoxInThisLapVR46 Год назад

Well Chapman knows what he's talking about he deserves his legendary status

@revmatchtv Год назад

100%. Just add lightness.

@A_guan Год назад

Finally the comparison I was waiting for. I couldn't decide which one I wanted. I know they aren't the same cars but wanted to see which would be the better daily

@revmatchtv Год назад

Supra with the auto is better in the city but a bit less practical.

@justinguerrero6357 Год назад

The buggiest issue with the new gen twins is the fake speaker engine noise. I disabled that but now it’s sooo quiet. Even with an after market exhaust. It’s too quiet in the cabin.

@revmatchtv Год назад

Which exhaust did you go with? It’s too quiet, but I also don’t want to wake up my neighbors with an angry cold start.

@justinguerrero6357 Год назад

@@revmatchtv I ended up going with the MRT sport touring exhaust, which was reviewed on the Tophers channel. Exhaust is quiet and 0 drone, very very chill probably the chillest exhaust. But I might be adding a mid pipe later to get some noise in the cabin. You only hear the exhaust at low rpm but while driving at higher speeds it’s almost non existent. It’s not an exhaust issue it’s a BRZ/86 issue since there is no sound tube. But I recommend this exhaust if you want quiet. 9/10

@revmatchtv Год назад

@@justinguerrero6357 Thanks!

@jbalgo Год назад

Haven't had an accident driving racing the gt86 for the last 10 years. I'm not sure I'll be able to say the same with the GR86 in 10 years time with the more powerful engine.

@JKyle-ii1mz Год назад

Thanks for this review. I'm digging the squared setup for the Supra. I've owned a 350Z for 15+ years and have always thought about doing that. If given the choice between the two to buy, I'd probably buy the GR86. It looks perfect in track bred and reminds me of the red the Mitsubishi 3000 had in the early 90's. Cheers!

@revmatchtv Год назад

Glad you enjoyed it

@chrisz5z Год назад

You will miss the torque...the torque delivery is very flat

@DanmakuMaster Год назад

Can I ask what road that is? I'm in TX, but have been looking all over the surrounding states noting what roads look fun to drive on.

@davepaturno4290 25 дней назад

There are plenty of great driving roads and mountains in California, but gas is $5/gallon.

@alphabeta8403 11 месяцев назад

*6MT BRZ/86 is the biggest bang for the buck!*

@longbowdt Год назад

like Astaire vs Kelly? Also, as much fun to drive a slow car fast? :)

@revmatchtv Год назад

Definitely as much fun! I like the formula.

@bond3161 Год назад

Got the headers, flash, lengthened intake, flywheel Its pretty quick, hardly any dip

@adrianlastname4864 Год назад

you can get a car for MSRP if you buy it outside of the state you're driving in, in this video

@revmatchtv Год назад

I bought the Supra out of state in 2019. I got the GR86 at MSRP but I had to wait 11 months to get what I wanted.

@adrianlastname4864 Год назад

@@revmatchtv that's what i hear. i know my brother got his BRZ in Arizona because the wait was over a year or there was about an $8k+ markup

@revmatchtv Год назад

I bought from Long Toyota. Largest Toyota dealer in the country. Everything at MSRP, but get in line. I was 100% fine with that. Great experience other than the wait.

@tony0sorio Год назад

Hey revematchtv, I've been meaning to ask, Is there a reason you don't have your apr wing on the supra? Is there something wrong with it? The reason I ask is because I am in the market for one and want to know if there is something wrong with it.

@revmatchtv Год назад

I have it off because it’s fairly heavy and the hatch barely stays up with it on. If I’m at the store, I need to hold up the hatch when loading groceries. If there’s a little gust of wind, it goes down hard. The APR products are very high quality imho and provide a LOT of downforce. I’d recommend the GTC 250 for the Supra because unless you get the front splitter too, the car will understeer quite a lot on track. If it’s just for looks, the GTC 300 I have fits the bill!

@tony0sorio Год назад

Thank you so much for the information! I appreciate it & love your videos 👍🏼 keep it up

@matt25675 Год назад

Is this Ortega?

@hongkong322 Год назад

I want a manual 2.0

@dubsrevo Год назад

Are the 23 Supra suspension/chassis upgrades (not the strut bars) physical or firmware ?

@revmatchtv Год назад

Mostly software, but there were some hardware updates for 21 and 22 that seem minor but result in big improvements in handling and feel.

@dubsrevo Год назад

@@revmatchtv it'd be worthy to find out if the latest brake recall includes the software updates

@revmatchtv Год назад

@@dubsrevo Generally a recall deals with a narrow, specific issue. If you can find the TSB it will describe what is included with it.

@rickhearn Год назад

Is this the 3.0 Supra?

@antoinelee-thomas9536 Год назад

Are you going to trade in your 2020 Supra and upgrade to the 2023 model year Supra with the ZF 6-speed manual transmission?

@revmatchtv Год назад

@rbendj22 Год назад

Which tire and wheel setup is that in the Supra?

@revmatchtv Год назад

11x19 Konig Hypergrams wrapped with Maxxis Victra VR-1

@misaelperez1077 Год назад

GR86 or Supra 2.0 ?

@beganny Год назад

GR86 steering better this generation or previous?

@revmatchtv Год назад

New generation is a little bit better.

@DarkFox786 Год назад

compare the 2.0 supra to gr86 that would be more fair

@shaggyman8564 Год назад

I love the fake engine noise in fact i made it louder.You can't COMPARE the supra to the brz or 86 because the supra cost almost twice as much. And twice as much to insure. Most important is to keep the oil clean. I use liquimoly 0 20 and PUREPOWER lifetime OF w the stainless steel element that is embedded with magnets.Love the adaptive HL just wish the high beams were amed a little higher. I sold my 2020 wrx and the susp steeling is better. BUT the trans is so much better in the brz. And there is more road noise in the wrx than the brz btw and the stereo is better in the brz than wrx.

@Treaxvour Год назад

How does it feel to live MY dream!? I ordered 2023 86 in April.

@revmatchtv Год назад

I put a deposit on a '22 last October and just got it a couple weeks ago! I'm loving it so far. I'm going to start a build series very shortly.

@ajc5370 2 месяца назад

Do you really think it's the change in the engine or the gear ratio?

@revmatchtv 2 месяца назад

I shot this video a long time ago so I don't remember what I said. What do you want to know exactly?

@flea4061 Год назад

The GR86 is a WRX motor away from greatness.

@davepaturno4290 25 дней назад

Actually, it's a B58 motor away from greatness.😊

@user-qr2vj6zc6s 11 месяцев назад

BMW and Subaru makes two great sports cars for Toyota to put their name on. The BRZ / GR86 is the better car for driving on US roads regardless of price. More than enough power and excellent handling for any road I have access to.

@davepaturno4290 25 дней назад

...said the person who can't afford a GR Supra 3.0. Really, I get the lightweight thing, but rent a Supra 3.0 and drive it for a day. You'll probably not want to go back to weaker cars.

@CruiseControl1 Год назад

The sound of the in-line 6 on the Supra is fantastic and the power it generates is border line ridiculous in the best way. It is a bit heavy though. The GR86 on the other hand is playful because of it being lightweight. Unfortunately the RTV issue is out of control and both Toyota and Subaru are not taking accountability.

@revmatchtv Год назад

The Supra is about 3325 with a quarter tank of gas.

@CruiseControl1 Год назад

@@revmatchtv Not bad but your gr86 shaves about 500 lbs off that and that’s what makes it feel alive in the corners in my opinion. Of course the Supra is much faster and I love that for 23 it gets a manual.

@ericschugemporium973 Год назад

RTV issue is a flop. far from out of control. No one talks about it anymore

@CruiseControl1 Год назад

@@ericschugemporium973 Not true at all, more and more cars are having issues and multiple people have dropped the oil pan, cleaned the oil pickup tube to only find it full again 5,000 miles later. Unfortunately Toyota seems content pointing the finger at Subaru.

@CruiseControl1 Год назад

@@CarlosZ34NSM Again not true, Toyota owns part of Subaru and so the responsibility is there.

@mharro88 Год назад

Rather a Elantra n more refined just as fun if not more fun and cheaper

@revmatchtv Год назад

Its FWD which is not my jam, but it’s rather popular on my channel right now 😉

@r3caps Год назад

Hey that's little t I know this road well

@skywalkr2 Год назад

The only reason I wouldn't buy the Supra is my past experience with BMW being maintenance nightmares.

@revmatchtv Год назад

Mine has been fine. Think BMW with Toyota QC. I’ve had my share of old, terrible BMWs!

@19hundoc47 21 час назад

I’ve owned 2 Supras and a GR86. The GR86 is more fun

@thatjokerperson7062 Год назад

My $3000 suv is about as fast as the 1st gen brz

@FuckYouTube069 8 месяцев назад

Supra vs GR86 vs Kona N? Someone please I’m on the fence.

@davepaturno4290 25 дней назад

The Kona N is certainly fastest, but the downside is that it is almost invisible on the road. It's like having a 500 hp TRD Camry.

@scottchandler1796 Год назад

I'm finding that my GR86 is too stiff as far as comfort for my wife. Is the supra more of a comfortable ride?

@ramanmonkey Год назад

The supra has adaptive suspension. In my experience normal mode is comfortable enough for my wife but sport mode gets really stiff/bumpy

@revmatchtv Год назад

The Supra is more comfortable yes. It has adaptive dampers and it’s a very nice cruiser in normal mode. Not harsh at all.

@scottchandler1796 Год назад

@@revmatchtv @ramamonkey so it sounds like the 4 cylinder has the dampers okay. For some reason I didn’t think that they did. Sweet!

@zcmdzpp127 Год назад

Your wife would prefer the BRZ…

@ramanmonkey Год назад

@@scottchandler1796 you may be right about the 2.0 not having adaptive suspension. Im speaking for the 3.0 premium

@nelc2399 Год назад

BMW Z4 vs 86 GR

@agentmartagentmart9122 3 месяца назад

Could never choose an automatic transmission over manual, never. 👎

@revmatchtv 3 месяца назад

I own both ;)

@zcmdzpp127 Год назад

Yup, totally unfair. GR86 is a manual..🎉 also if you drive the Supra daily you will get use to the speed..and it will feel slow…then the GR86 will feel even slower..😂

@revmatchtv Год назад

I think the FA24 is plenty fast enough tbh. It’s just that the Supra is kind of ridiculous. 500+whp

@chrismcdowell5515 Год назад

I daily a 2022 supra 3.0 the power never gets old. Its my favorite "commuter" car i have ever had. And on the occasional track day its a beast!

@zcmdzpp127 Год назад

@@chrismcdowell5515 nice, I commute on R6, which is just a bit faster than a stock Supra..I got use to the acceleration/speed..I assumed it is the same with a car…

@Massacari Год назад

GR86 all day over the BMW rebadge

@hau5muzeek 3 месяца назад

well yeah, cuz its gonna need ‘all day’ to finally get up to a decent speed and match traffic

@Drunken_Hamster 7 месяцев назад

I thought this was gonna be a Supra 2.0 vs GR86 video... Anyway, I disagree that the GR86 is enough and a huge improvement over the GT86. For this specific output and this car's weight, it needs an extra cylinder to be perfect. Car+driver wet weight (assuming 180-pound driver) should be equal to the CC displacement N/A for an entry-level sports car. Additionally, the engine architecture should be able to handle (with forged rods and lower-comp forged pistons) roughly doubling the N/A power, with an off-the-shelf forged crank, head stud upgrade, and braced block(if factory open deck) allowing support for triple the NA power. The engine's stoke (really any modern engine's stroke length) should be fixed at either 90mm or 100mm depending on the torque to HP ratio desired. The max safe street RPM is about 8000 on the shorter of those two, and about 7200rpm proportionally (same piston speed), for the 100mm stroke. So you could build and then push the 90mm stroke up to 9000rpm for a circuit RACING build, and the equivalent on that for piston speed of the 100mm stroke would be 8100rpm. Hence picking your poison between torque and HP/revs. But nowadays with modern head and cam design (and variable valvetrains), we can get engines to have a very balanced powerband and rev out to 8000, regardless, so. **shrug**

@revmatchtv 7 месяцев назад

You want all this in a $29K car? Let me know when you find it. I'll be first in line!

@Drunken_Hamster 7 месяцев назад

@@revmatchtv I mean, just take the supra and lengthen it so it has REAL back seats, convert the ZF8 into a transaxle and put it in the rear, and raise the rear passenger roof line so that it fits people over 5'7; like a Scion tC. (Legit, just slap the tC roofline on anything and have similar rear leg, shoulder, and hip room and you have the perfect 2+2 car) I'm pretty sure they can do that for around 42k as long as you're taking the turbo 4-cyl version and not a turbo 6-cyl version. Though TBH, a turbo 5-cyl and a N/A 8-cyl being the two main options, perhaps with a turbo 3-cyl hybrid as the base model would be pretty sick. Also, mandatory double wishbone, SLA, or true multilink front suspension. I ain't buggin' with any Macpherson BS.

@oso_nomada 10 месяцев назад

🙄 1:30 I own a 2013 BRZ I bought in July of 2012. 1 of only 6 on the west coast when I picked it up. Today, 110,000 miles…approximately 30k in long distant road trips. Anyhow, I don’t need to tell anyone here what the car is…stock of course, my BRZ is not. Anyhow, hearing 2020+ owners of either of the twins…talking so shitty about the “First Generation”…drives me nuts 😂 RESPECT your ELDERS.

@islandboybry Год назад

I would get a GR86 if it wasn't so underpowered. It's so slow

@revmatchtv Год назад

It's not imho. Unless you want to do freeway pulls. Then it's absolutely the wrong car.

@prospect2664 Год назад

too poor to afford either of these... atm these are the prices: 2023 brz is between 40k-48k eur (which is 43k-52k usd) 2023 gr86 from 40k to 72k eur (43k-78k usd) also, the 2023 supra (3L, not the 2L one) is 63k-80k eur (68k-87k usd)

@revmatchtv Год назад

Pricey indeed

@prospect2664 Год назад

@@revmatchtv now im thinking of either getting a 1) 2013 93k km GT86 for 17k 2) 2013 110k km GT86 for 21k, but it has completely new engine (under 1k km), cuz the old one got blown up cuz of oil starvation

@Yggdrasill8 4 месяца назад

I was lucky to get my 3.0 Supra for 55k eur Now I see the prices go as high as 73k euro

@leojanuszewski1019 4 месяца назад

You said "stiffer"

@lilchunnky78 Год назад

I know this road lol

@Delimon007 Год назад

Just buy a 2023 BRZ and throw in a super charger and you have a better supra for far less the cost that's far more reliable. . . FYI, most Toyotas today are built by Subaru anyway.

@revmatchtv Год назад

They are not tunable yet, but I expect there to be tunes as early as 2023. Most Toyotas are built by Toyota. Only the BRZ is built by Subaru.

@adrianlastname4864 Год назад

everything's a little better than the last generation but i'm only going to tell you about a couple of things vaguely

@revmatchtv Год назад

There have been quite a few reviews on the car and I didn't want to make a 30 minute video. I'll save my detailed thoughts for a different, dedicated video on the car.

@karentiger5117 Год назад

Gr86 looks better

@RogueBeatsARG Год назад

Lets be honest, the 86 looks way more like a Supra than the Supra

@tongchiu9757 Год назад

F22 vs F35? LOL

@isrstrategies Год назад

You certainly can’t compare the build quality even the sheet metal any body guy will tell you Germans use the best steel for sheet metal and heavier gauge, asian cars ding machines, also if you get a ding in an Asian car it’s so thin many times it can’t be taken out the Toyota is built by bmw with same quality materials even the leather is same you would find in an m4 not the pleather of a Lexus lmao