@@BluePhantomCavalierif only Toyota didn't kill people with unintended acceleration. All car makers have issues. Our Toyota was far worse than our Hyundai and Kia vehicles, including a transmission failure at 90k miles.
Thank you for bringing up all the recall issues and details on both cars. Those types of things are extremely helpful when making a decision. Love this segment on your channel.
I am currently driving Kia Sportage In Vietnam, unfortunately the hybrid version did not come to our market, but the Diesel top trim model that I am currently driving in is extremely Eco efficient + so quiet, smooth and such a comfort space to be in! Just loving it
So the Sportage starts 2500$ lower for equivalent models and the warranty is 2 years longer .... But the power train is 10 years in the US. How much would the same warranty cost for the Rav4. Makes the Kia so much more value for you money and it looks sooooooooo much better inside! And outside IMO. I've had 5 Kia's and never had any major issues other then a engine recall!
I've test drove both of these. Looking at the exterior of the Rav4 really has me questioning why I decided to write it off as what I wanted. Then I saw the interior and remembered 😂
It’s Kias time right now. Toyota is headed in the wrong direction, lack of innovation and frankly lazy/behind the competition roll outs/updates and the reliability isn’t what it used to be. I have a 2017 sportage and it’s the best everyday/family car In my opinion. Here in the US the standard warranty is 5yr/60k bumper to bumper w/ 100k power train warranty. It’s not perfect by any means but there’s less compromises that I can live with.
@@tophlovr 2017 currently at 68k. outside the usual scheduled maintenance scheduled items, just the usual. New set of tires at 45k, OEM Hankooks we’re trash and replaced the battery.
I bought a new Camry hybrid because of the Toyota hybrid track record, my first Toyota and I came out of a Kia product. But I also purchased with cash and plan to own it a long time, if I was leasing I might have felt different, Hyundai/Kia usually have better rates. And I extended the warranty to 5 years, Toyota should definitely be 5 years B2B standard!
All your numbers are off by exactly $500 US for the Toyota RAV4 Hybrid. Every trim model is $500 more on the Toyota website in the US. And worth noting you're comparing the 2023 Sportage vs. the 2022 RAV4. I'm sure those prices will get a bump up for the new 2023 RAV4 model with the updated interior infotainment screen. I just spent 2 weeks researching both of these vehicles, watching every video and reading every article I could find on the two. Yesterday I ordered the Sportage hybrid. Also, local Kia dealerships are saying 4-6 months for the Sportage Hybrid, while Toyota dealership says RAV4 is over a year wait supposedly. I like them both for different reasons, and both have pluses and minuses. Neither is perfect, but I don't think you can go wrong with either one, I think the Sportage Hybrid and RAV4 Hybrid are both great choices. EDIT: Great videos by the way. Informative and easy to watch.
Here in SLC Kia only offers a non refundable deposit which turned we away from their product. Toyota and Honda offer fully refundable deposits. Even Hyundai will call you when the vehicle is allocated and give you the option to commit or refund your deposit. No dealership is perfect but I'll stay away from Kia!
I just got my Sportage hybrid last Friday and I’m absolutely loving it! I got the Xline and I actually took a lift 90 miles away to Lancaster because they told me if I came in that day to buy instead of charging me $6000 over sticker they would only charge $2000 and pay for my ride. I was very happy with Valley Kia and I’m very happy with the car but I may wind up trading it in very soon because I want the top of the line and then white instead of the gray that I got. It’s just a personal choice And I will lease and save about $250 a month by doing so by trading up. I wanted all of the features and I wanted the white color and they were absolutely not available right away. And I did consider the plug-in RAV4 but I’d much rather save the money and try out Kia for once and see what it’s like and I love the design so much better than the RAV4.
The Sportage is definitely nicer, sporty, and looks more modern. I wonder if the 1.6 turbo would be reliable, long term. The RAV4 is proven technology, with good resale value, and to quote Zack, you will get your money back from the bank of Toyota.
The Rav4 has a better engine but no turbo vs the Sportage Hybrid which is nicer inside and out plus it's quieter. I remember in the early 2000's that the Koreans surpassed the Japanese in electronics and television.
I've never liked Toyota and seeing the interior of the Rav four confirms what I've always felt. Toyota had the ugliest interior of any modern car today.
The latest model is more lexus than optimus prime. Toyota have finally got their act together and there’s nothing not to like about their latest interiors imho.
Hmm...I drive a lot for work, love New tech hence after 5 years a car is old to me. KIA works out fine because I buy lots of tech cheap and can throw it away after 5 years without crying about residue value etc. I just get a new KIA. For that weekend car, Cayenne's are made for that 😄
Been looking forward to this comparison Andrea and Zack, both cars should be pretty even maybe the Sportage might just edge it?, whisper Andrea was right ✅️
Le kia va mal vieillir avec un système hybride très peu dèvelopper avec un moteur électrique entre le moteur et la transmission très basique ,un moteur turbo inutile mal associé à l’hybridation. Je crois que vous êtes un peu pro coréen,vous êtes partial j’ai vu plusieurs essais que vous avez fait et quand vous essayez des modèles coréen vous êtes vraiment trop partial.
That Kia makes a compelling argument! Like id test drive it but my bias would go towards Toyota, despite the lack luster interior. Thst doesn’t bother me all that much. But tried and true reliable is important to me
DETROIT -- Hyundai and Kia are telling the owners of nearly 485,000 vehicles in the U.S. to park them outdoors because they can catch fire even if the engines have been turned off. The recalls from the two Korean automakers are another in a long string of fire and engine failure problems that have dogged the companies for the past six years. This should sum up Kia/Hyundai vehicles.
My man! Telling the REAL story here. People getting hyped about how well Kia has “improved”. People were saying that in 2012 when the optima got refreshed and look at them now, all dumpster fires that require new engines.
As a former Kia owner, I traded in my almost 10 year old car for my Venza last year (sister car to the RAV4 Hybrid). I found my Kia to be quite reliable for about 6 years, but in the last 3 years I owned it, it needed about $7000 worth of repairs on various things that didn't seem to hold up long term (and a few of the issues were quite expensive). Now, the good news is I bought an extended warranty, so it was all covered under that, but even making warranty claims always seemed like a hassle. Also, I had to bring the vehicle back numerous times to fix the issue, so in my experience, the service level was pretty below average. If they couldn't handle repairs right the first time around on a regular car, I wouldn't be overly confident they'd manage any better with a more complex vehicle with a turbo and hybrid powertrain. I chose to replace my Kia with a Toyota Hybrid as they are known to be the most reliable vehicles on the planet and I am hopeful the dealership experience will be better (it can't be worse than the Kia dealership was). Lastly, regarding "Cablegate", the issue is the cable that connects to the rear motor mounts facing "up", which allows salt/water to creep into the connector housing and pool, which will corrode and damage the connector over time. This issue only affects 2019-2021 models. The newer ones have a cover that helps protect the connector/motor better and I think they may have reversed the connector position (so it now faces down).
@@rinbine2713 I suppose it technically isn't, just like the coax cable is not your TV or the speaker cable isn't your speakers. However, it's clearly a design oversight and they should just cover it. Proof of it being a design mistake is the fact they have addressed it for the 2022 and newer models. I had a lot of things repaired on my Kia and dealing with warranty claims wasn't simple and straight forward with them either.
I have a 21 Venza limited fully loaded. Question for you; in US gallons are you able to pump more than 11 gallons when nearly empty? Toyota says Venza has a 14.5 gallon tank and highway mpg over 500 miles. In almost 12,000 miles and 1- extended driving trip of over 2500 miles, I’ve been unable to get more than 425 miles range on 1-tank. My dealer has had the car twice to try to remedy the issue but has failed. Toyota corporate has been notified but they are inept. Plenty of complaints from owners on Venza forums. Can’t complain about the mpg as it’s been as advertised. Btw. the tires are terrible in the snow and are very loud with increasing miles. Good luck with your Venza purchase.
Great comparison! I don't like the look of the KIA Sportage but that's personal. I'm waiting till I can order the 2023 RAV4 prime with new infotainment system. Keep up the good work! Greetings from Belgium! 🇧🇪🇨🇦👍
What of the service intervals for the Kia Hybrid? Here in Australia, the service intervals for the turbocharged engine in Kia is 6 months or 10000 KMs compared to 12 months, 15000km. Toyota wins in this regard.
After seeing your Instagram post about the '23 RAV4 improvements I no longer want a '22! The screen size, wireless CarPlay and improved safety are big pluses for me. Been waiting since March 1st so might as well go for the '23.
10-31-23 "CableGate"...since your video, has now been resolved. In the USA Toyota has sent out letters to those affected hybrid owners, that an 8 year of 100k mile warranty on the cable in question now exists. I recd my letter I believe about 8 months ago. They will inspect the hybrid vehicle for free if it is exhibiting symptoms like a defective cable and if it is the issue, they will also replace it for free. I am very happy with that. In Canada my understanding is that affected hybrid owners, also recd a warranty/ free replacement if the cable has failed due to corrosion (per articles I have read) for a similar period of time.
Andrea... You will ALWAYS be right... LOL!!! @ 3:56 Those bronze colored wheels remind me of the old B5 Audi S4 "Avus" style oem wheel.. I also liked that you guys mixed up the format a little..
so after watching many of your video and high praise for the Kia Sportage, my wife and i found a 2023 and drove it last night. it’s nice looking both inside and out but for us the seats were much too narrow. i’m 6’ 205 and my back could not fit between the side bolsters. my wife is 5’5” 110 pounds and even she thought the seats were too narrow. we also thought the engine noise in the cabin was much to loud under any acceleration. keep in mind we have owned three Kia’s in the past. we are now waiting for the Telluride to arrive and hope it’s a better experience.
I love your reviews. Based on your VW Jetta review I bought a 2022 SE. I love it and the real world fuel economy is a lot lot better than the EPA estimates. You both did a great job with this review but let's be honest. At the end of the day Andrea is right.....of course. 🤣 Both Toyota and Kia are legit companies although I am a little disappointed to see Toyota insisting that a cable is not part of the hybrid system. That's not what I expected from them. Keep up the great work!
Kia is actually pronounced “Gia.” G, as in the name Gary, Gia. Say Gia. So everybody pronounces something wrong. Not a big deal. Kinda like saying b,c,d, you know bee, see, dee, and then say zee. Oh, I guess that doesn’t work, it must be “Zed.” Stop losing sleep over the Sportage stuff. Americans love and respect Canadians, there’s only a half dozen or so words we spell or pronounce differently. It’s not a big deal. You’re Canadian, just say it the Canadian way.
Great video Andrea! Yes You are always right! 😆 Don’t make Zack cough! 😆 I think Kia Sportage’s design is a winner over Toyota RAV4. And overall Sportage is a very an affordable! 👍🏻👍🏻☕️☕️ 🚙
@@naveenthemachine While the latter may be true about turbo hybrid nonsense, it's not just for suckers. The other brands are trash in this segment, Toyota may be known for reliability - but it nailed for the formula down in this particular segment. So yes - it's THE leader CUV. Your entire argument is moot
Toyota is not out of the woods yet with that lawsuit. They also are dealing with an emissions scandal on the side of their commercial trucks called Hino. Toyota knew about this problem for over 20 years, and did nothing to fix it. But you won't see that on the news, Some other companies (like VW and Hyundai) have had their own scandals and those went all over the news for years. Is Toyota controlling the news now? This gives me another reason to dislike Toyota.
Did I miss something here. Where is the zero to sixty acceleration tests? Where are the braking tests and comparisons.. in my opinion the testing results are.critical. How about comparing the turning radius and overall vehicle weight….
Orange cables signifies it's use on high voltage hybrid components. So they are in fact part of the hybrid system. In the end Toyota is gonna lose and will result in warranty repairs and compensation. Toyota saw this problem only affecting certain markets and took a gamble.
Really nice interior on the Kia. Front end is way over the top. I’ve been following “cable gate” and Toyota really has to make this right for affected owners. I’m still convinced Toyota one of the most reliable brands though. Not a big fan of the RAV4 “Star Wars Storm Trooper” look though and industrial looking interior as well as the noisy cabin. I’m on stand by for a new vehicle, not a buyers market.
Andrea and Zack both said (a few times) that the Kia was quiet so I doubt the cabin is noisier than the Toyota. The Toyota's interior is so utilitarian, they are far behind many competitors in this area. I also would be very reluctant to spend my hard earned dollars on the idea that the company is going to "make things right" on a known defect. I have a friend that just bought a new RAV4 and spent over a thousand dollars getting the extended warranty to protect himself from the risk of a cable problem. Toyota should fix things now or I think they risk losing sales to their competitor.
Thanks for the review! So....living in Minnesota, where we get quite a bit of snow and lots of salt is used on our roads, the cablegate issues with the Toyota scares me. Might be moving over to Honda if I decide on a hybrid. Not sold on Kia!
You can’t find the Sportage anywhere either. Most dealerships are marking up more than $5000 for the new Sportage. I went to 3 dealership and only found 2 Sportage
Very good review, I had hard time deciding between the 2. What leaned me toward RAV4 is the shifter. Kia has a dial that I don’t understand but sure looks like it’s not like the RAV4 where you can manually shift it. Being from Buffalo NY, I’ve learned that down shifting in snow is far more effective than ABS braking by itself. When I look for a vehicle, I need to see that I have control of the drive system. That dial thing on the Sportage does not tell me what I’m looking for. So far I have not seen anyone comment on that.
Thank you guys both for having honest, practical reviews. So many of the old reliables are having issues, and so many of the formerly fraught manufacturers have really stepped up. I'd love to get your thoughts on who you think has the best longterm reliability these days.
Wait times must vary between Canada and the US for both. I ordered a Rav 4 SE Hybrid last month in Canada, not expecting it until June of 23. Daughter and her husband just ordered a Kia Sportage hybrid in the US last week..Expecting it at beginning of Oct 22.
Great job bringing up the corrosion on the high voltage cable. You are one of the few reviewers who are raising this issue. The pro Toyota reviewers fail to mention it even when commented on. Specifically Toyota works, Toyota Jeff and care care nut.
@@moezpadani8088 not really resolved. The new cable is also corroding just slower. There is now a US class action suit that covers all Toyota and Lexus vehicles that are using the both the old and new cable
I'm seeing more and more Kia's on the roads here in Florida...its looks are growing on me. To be clear...the corrosion issue is mainly cold weather and harsh winter areas? Is it me or does that 2 toned Rav4 look sharp....I've been seeing more 2 toned vehicles recently. Am I just catching on to that...I like that look.
@@geftiler2112 I don’t know about that. It’s a turbo engine and with hybrid. Don’t think it will be reliable for long term. Also the 2.5 is quite, quick and reliable so .
I just took a look at the Sportage Hybrid SX today (late Feb 2023) in Tempe, AZ and was told to expect a $5k mark-up. The cars are also in high demand so they require a $1,000 non-refundable deposit with delivery estimated to be anywhere from 1-6 months.
Like your channel. Great comparison. I had a 2000 Tacoma, sold it because I traveled too much for work. Have a 2008 Camry with 237k miles and major issues, just regular maintenance. I'll be due for a new car/SUV in the next year or so. I honesty can I'm only considering Toyota. I buy my cars and run them until I need a new one. Don't see being able to do that with Kia w/o major repairs. Just my thoughts
If resale value and long-term reliability are major considerations, its almost like RAV4 is the default choice. As good as Hyundai/Kia's hybrid system is, its not yet as proven as Toyota's bulletproof system, especially when it comes to resale value on used market. If I have to choose, however, I would definitely take the Kia Sportage because its an much better package. Overall.
I can't wait to watch your comparison of the 2024 models. I'm currently debating which of these two I'd like to buy...someday. Right now the Sportage Hybrid EX (Middle trim) prices out at $34.5K US Dollars, whereas the RAV4 Hybrid SE trim prices out at $37.5K.
I've seen the Sportage a few times and it looks like a hot mess imo; as was said once on the old Top Gear show (about a different brand), it's like Kia couldn't stop designing it! The front end, in particular, had a very odd look to it. The RAV4 is by far my favorite in terms of looks; it's what I would call ruggedly handsome and would, therefore, still look good for years to come.
@@mementomori29231 how many owners of Toyotas died compared to those Kia/Hyundais catching on fire? The company even put out a press release to park outside of you have a garage lol… wait a minute? Are you a Hyundai/Kia fanboy or fangirl? 🤭
