Traditional vs Trans: Are There More Than 2 Genders? | Middle Ground 

Being a tomboy is way different than gender Identity

omg the trans woman looked so sad when they said she was a 100% male :(

I love these!! But I wish youtube didn't require so much self-censoring because I would've liked to see them get a little deeper. You could tell they were ready to as well.

Nailed it. Men being predators is the common thread on the bathroom debate

They should’ve included men on the traditional side, missing the male perspective on this leaves this unbalanced for me.

By the way. If y’all didn’t know, transgender is not a 3rd gender

If I say "I am a trans tomboy" (Which is true), the entire argument falls apart. Gender does not equal gender expression.

It’s wild seeing people get guilted/peer pressured into stepping forward when you can tell they didn’t initially intend to.

Parents of LGBT+ kids vs traditional parents

Playin it reeeal safe with no straight guys...

Men are men, women are women.

love how supportive people were to all the perspectives and views shared : )

If there was at least one straight man , this would be entirely different

the worst thing is listening to a conversation you cannot talk in..

That’s how I feel as a dude. I actually love wearing feminine clothes like skirts and cute underwear and doing makeup and hair. But I know I’m a dude, I have a strong and passionate personality, love to take charge, be physically active and I’m still sexually attracted to women and have absolutely no desire to be in a woman’s bathroom. Unfortunately for me though, femboys are much more taboo than tomboys and there’s almost no way I can embrace these interests without being labeled trans or gay. People seem to think the two are inseparable but they’re really not. Gender norms and standards are really the problem.

Such a respectful conversation. Even though some of the terms weren't quite accurate, still it was nice to see people on opposite sides still agreeing on most things.

I get really pissed off when they change from their original seats.

Doesn’t it frustrate you when you can’t interfeen into a conversation

Girl no, I am pretty tomboy and feel no pressure at all to transition FTM lol

It's so hard, cuz the most of cis people can't even imagine what trans people are going through...

When the trans-woman said “I didn’t start transitioning until I was 32”, I got extremely confused bc I thought she was like 25😂

"you're gonna be a boy or a girl" intersex people:👁👄👁

I don’t care how the adult feels in this, the bathroom situation. The childs feelings and safety comes first

happy= joyful calm= serenity Back in my day How you dress wasn’t your gender identity

there’s a difference between being cisgender and being transphobic (edit: many people are taking this as me defending the cis people; i’m not, i’m saying the title is misleading since all the cis people in the video were transphobic, when in reality a large amount of cis people are trans allies)

Kinda sad that we only see "traditional" women perspectives. Men wouldve been interesting as well.

Transgender vs Transracial now that's a topic I'd love to see

I would love to see a bi sexual vs pan sexual discussion and seeing where people see the difference and the similarities people see in there sister sexualities

"there are only two genders" cis girls: *sit down* rory: baby i'm not even here

People are actually mixing up having a masculine/feminine sense of style and gender-

I really enjoyed this, such a respectful conversation.

The fact that biologically born men and women have now been labeled “cis” pisses me off. Drop the terms.

This video got messed up because no one actually made the distinction between sex and gender.

People often confuse genders with personalities.

Who cares if you’re scared of being judged. Everyone in life is judged. It’s part of growing up! Get over it!

The first question is literally the only question that matters. What happened to this world? The 3 ppl who didn't sit down for the first question need help. THERE ARE ONLY TWO GENDERS

"I didn't start transitioning until I was 32." Girl, you have a youthful glow I didn't think you were over 25

before this video they should’ve went over the difference between gender expression, biological sex, and clothing preference :/

I think its rude to have an opinion of someone's lifestyle when its not hurting anyone. Just let people be.

I’d like to put something to say that as a trans person myself I kind of agree with both sides, I can see where it’s hard to get past or not think about how there are only two biological choices I love and respect these people for sharing their beliefs in a kind and respectful way, I feel that I’m blessed to be in a community of Christians like this even though I myself am not Christian, when it comes to gender I think that we can use biological gender like bookends, as long as your talking about gender and gender identity’s you can only go from one side to the other and the inbetween I think it was makes the spectrum, I think our minds are powerful and beautiful and that if there is a creator it would make more sense for there to be bookends instead of every book being represented, a way of looking at it would be there are so many types of genders and people it’s easier to comprehend when you take the farthest on the left and the farthest on the right and put them next to eachother so you see that everything that could be between these exists

this is unbalanced, a straight male was needed in this discussion

The fact that nobody brought up how sex and gender is different confused me

I love how mature this conversation was.

This was surprisingly respectful and at the end of the day shows both sides are more similar than we think and it's mostly only misinformation about the other side's desires that drives us back

Why only women representing "traditional"

You can see the pain in her eyes when that cis girl said “I think you are 100% male” 😞

I'm going to LA for college this year and I would love to work at Jubilee or be a part of this in SOME way because I know for a fact this is where I'm meant to be.

So glad my parents let my sister be a tomboy instead of pushing this stuff on her

that one teen cis girl: you're either born male or a woman intersex people: am i a joke to you

Upset they didn’t talk about gender dysphoria

I think that this is the most heart warming, and non-toxic episode of Middle Ground I have ever seen- And I am all for it- Like- For once I was actually pretty happy with the side I don't really agree with.

I thought this was supposed to be a vs video. This looked like a bunch of "women" all agreeing on the same thing.

Damn, I feel like gender and sex both needed to be defined here. Also the lack of a traditional male I think hurt the conversation.

do they not know the difference between biological sex, gender expression, and clothing preference?

Thank you so much my beautiful friends , I am learning that we are not truly who we are because of the instilling of judgment within us since we were very small children and what is happening is that there is an image we hold of ourself as accepted by others so that we are not judged by them and so we have been playing that part of see how perfect I am so that you don’t judge me as something else that I’m not being , and it has caused us to be in judgement of the self non stop always judging every choice we make every thing we do or eat or act on or feel like we are in criticism of ourself so when we fearlessly step out into the world as who we are Inside and let go of the judging and lovingly accept our own self for who we are and how we wanna express ourself in our world then that is so beautiful and adds to the awakening of consciousness within mankind , and truly there is only concern and debate or argument when there is fear and all of the hypothetical situations are always coming from fear and they are not real unless we give the fear the power

They needed to have a football-watching, beer-belching frat boy here.

I feel like the traditional side held back a bit and was worried about being pc.

I was a tomboy in my younger ages but as I’ve gotten older I realise how lovely it is to wear nice things I wasn’t transgender

It’s called the “handicapped” restrooms

there's a difference between being tolerated and accepted.

girl i could not imagine how awful the woman felt when she got told she was "100% male" that would be so triggering for dysphoria edit: hey if yall come across peiple who are blatantly transphobic; saying stuff like hes a man jn regards to the trans woman, its better to just ignore it. if you're gonna debate do it with those who aren't bigots, its not worth it to interact. ive been doing lgbt discourse for three years, and its just my advice.

Men make babies, women have babies. It's really that simple.

These traditional people should not be allowed to use their platforms.

Your sex is your anatomy, your gender is who you really are, your personality is how you act, think about that

the trans woman really looks like a supermodel.

I absolutely loved this debate the best one so far

I don't know if I'm overthinking things but two of the traditional women definitely hesitated to sit down for the supporting their kids statement and that really hurt to see. That should NOT be something you have to think about. Also, I noticed that all of the top comments are positive but if you set the filter to newest first the majority of the comments are extremely transphobic.

they should get trans people vs detransitioners

“There are only 2 genders” *3 people sit down The nonbinary person: 👁👄👁

3:30 the issue with that is then you have kids that are confused and sometimes become su1cidal because they don't have that label so they just feel wrong. like they're being a girl/boy wrong

'there are not that many trans ppl in this world' girl what

“A male is the provider” tell that to my mother who was the primary income for my family because my father is disabled and could no longer work. My mother is also disabled but is still able to work and drive unlike my father.

when the trans female said “i didn’t start transitioning till i was 32” i was shook cuz she looks 25

There was A LOT of conflation between sex and gender in this discussion which is frustrating because a lot of nuance was missed.

Loved. This one. Thanks Jubilee ❤

When that lady said she perceived the other lady as 100% male my heart broke, I could almost feel her pain through the screen edit: guys I found the transphobes

The Christian woman who comforted the trans woman when speaking about her father made me smile. This is how it’s supposed to be and especially for Christians. Regardless of what you think of someone else’s life choices, you are still meant to give love.

This episode was lacking. It’s clear they didn’t want to let them have a full honest conversation because of backlash

"Before I transitioned when I was still" Me: "Normal"!

"I didn't transition until I was 32" YOU LOOK 28 WHAT IS THIS WITCHCRAFT HOW OLD ARE YOU REALLY ???

Where tf is that one guy from incel episode that would’ve made this episode crazy lmao

i was SHOOK when cetine mentioned that she started transitioning at 32. i would’ve thought she was in her 20s😮

I will never understand why people give a fuck about what someone else defines themselves by. Who honestly gives a fuck. You do you.

"When a girl is raised and she feels like a tomboy, acts like a tomboy, she is now encouraged to think, 'maybe I should've been born a boy.'" sis i would never wear skirts when i was little for the sake of being tomboyish and i can tell you with 100% certainty that i am definitely a cisgender woman

I feel like both sides had kind of weak arguments and were afraid of being judged or shot down by the other. Like both sides just kind of went with what the other said

Everything is easier than self acceptance.

What a crappy Middle Ground. I hate when the discussions are completely based in feelings and there is no science discussed. It's embarrassing

Man these topics are really risky and every time I click to watch a video I get really scared.

I hate it when people say unscientific things by starting with "scientifically"

I’ve listened to hundreds of pro trans arguments and have still yet to hear one that’s logical

“Well you were 6 pounds when you were born so why are you 170 now? You’re still 6 pounds to me.”

Flat earthers vs scientist PLEASE

*Speaker* : There are only 2 genders? *Me* : This Gonna be GoOoood

This went so smoothly!

It's so easy to tell who is trans

4:14 jokes on you, I identify with the gender I was assigned at birth and I still hate myself 😎🤠

My brain hurts from binging on middle ground episodes

I will never understand the paralyzing fear that some of the women in this video feel and display in regards to not being able to fit people (outside of themsleves) into a familiarly labeled box. Why is it so hard to live and let live? How does people living authentically affect you? I'll never understand.

I love how they say that there are only 2 genders when their are multiple cultures that have more than 2 genders. Plus, there are intersex people that have the parts and hormones of both male and female sexes.

You're not afraid of transwomen, you're afraid of cis men. That's what this whole bathroom thing needs to come to