Men's Rights vs Feminism: Is Toxic Masculinity Real? | Middle Ground 

I think having an Incel to represent Men's rights activism, isn't exactly the best thing.

Jubilee pathetic

Jubilee having that incel on was a mistake. That kind of man is an issue. The other 2 however have a good grip on men’s rights but you should also have had a black man on there because there are men’s rights issues in the black community that should have been brought to the light.

when one of the feminist said she would laugh at mens rights thats honestly disgusting that just shows how toxic feminism is

You literallly picked men that knows nothing

Derrick is my father figure

Erin : tHat’S nOt vEgAn

This is hard to comment on because I think many people have seen women act childish and it’s more socially acceptable because society has in the last 100 of years treated women as a commodity to be locked away, wed off to produce kids and stay at home without as much responsibility as men who overall had to protect family from threats, deal with decision making, providing income. This is controversial statement and it is definitely seen with some women who don’t want to take responsibility and grow up but it’s also a problem society has created and some people want to protect this traditional outlook but then complain about it later. Now we’re in a time period where women don’t need protection, can have equal education opportunities and can work and do jobs that men mainly dealt with and it’s amazing and a lot more easier for both sexes to deal with tackle together. I hope people can understand that and hopefully Derrick if he’s looking through these comments.

Cheeze berries I do agree. If you need the whole world to clear the way an change for you to be comfortable then you have a little bit in common with a child.

@@DeeznutztheOG same here, some people just act like we're not men enough and im very sure you mustve heard that saying too, i dont think its generally targetted against a specific gender though more or less just childish people acting childish

I mean,, Derrick is kind of a big deal

he is the video

Exactly lol it’s annoying af when you’re scrolling through the comments trying to find meaningful conversations on the topic trying to see people’s opinions and even learn something, and all you see are comments about Derrick.

lol, not even 80%💀💀

@@akilbrazier1421 He is annoying

Just goes to show why fathers are needed in the home

Huh? How is it sad?

@@rnick123probably still gonna have similar views

it's cause he was raised by a single mother thats why he acts like this

@@jbbeefboss2646 not necessarily

Exactly. Asian guy’s definition makes no sense. “Im not saying one is superior” that is the definition of inequality.

@@HoneydewHelenso are you ignorant or defiant because you completely missed what he said he said there not equal is in what there suited for but equal as humans but fundamentally they do different thing but still make up that even 50%

@@SekoishereWhy do you think the phrasing of the question was “different but equal”? It already accounted for those differences

You are not aware that the words "different" and "equal" are mutually exclusive because they mean the exact opposite. George Orwell introduced this way of abusing language in his novel "1984". Orwell named it "Doublethink": to simultaneously hold to mutually exclusive opinions on a topic. shaping these thought into words builds "Doublespeak", e.g. "war is peace".

@@Viewable11 i figure what they meant more accurately would be equity. Men and women are both needed in society, we cannot live without the other. They are needed in different things and are therefore equal in that sense

It's because the left is the master of optics. They present "their truth" instead of an objective reality.

American Son yah nothing is wrong wi he presenting your opinion as you are doing here. Yes people with beliefs will present opinions that’s not a conspiracy theory. If you made this video it would have a heavy right slant, and that’s ok.

@Jason Tang yeah but um...equity for what exactly? They get what they work for as do men

Jason Tang Preach!

​@@simonjaz1279 *yeah but um...equity for what exactly? They get what they work for as do men* When feminists say they want "gender equality" they want "equal outcomes" (achieved by treating the sexes unequally). MRAs want "equal treatment" and believe that since women and men are equal, both sexes should be treated the same.

I don't get what people hate about Derrick.

Wolfram Eicke Rest in peace he’s sexist

@@wolframeickerestinpeace2562 being an incel is not involentary you do it to yourself

SCREW EM ALL. Except for non sjw feminism, then I'm with them, but currently in this video, f*** all of them.wait no my bad only Derrick and two of the feminists are tawxic. One of the feminists that I have called toxic arent all that bad. MAINLY SCREW DERRICK.

Which one is derrick

Yeah i felt the same way too

I ddnt really understand what an incel is, could you explain it pweees!

@@Footy13s its someone who view women as less then men. that men are suprior gender. Type of person that would justify any abuse on women.

I don't get what Derrick's point is honestly

The women feminists didn't want to learn!!!

him and kursat

@@CristanioPeweyyy yeah it seemed so, they just want the other side to understand them.

Yeah he was carrying the whole show tbh, and he has a gf so i guess thats why he was trying to understand womans views. SInce Derrick said its so difficult to find a partner, not surprised that it is hard for him.

​@@Demib34it's hard for Derrick because he's physically unattractive.

And the men’s tbh...

everyone looks disappointed when derrick talks hahahah

@@joaopedroflausinodelima9147 ikr

Yep

The disappointment on everyones face when derrick talks

Including yours

Derrick: *Speaks* Both rights movements: No

@@3HeadedGOAT311 as it should.

Can you be genuine pls? He literally said 'getting married, having kids, going to church'. Which of those do you have a problem with? Seems to me like you just arbitrarily decide what you think he is saying without actually listening to any of the words. What he said: "Back to the past where people were getting married, having kids, going to church" What you heard: "Back to the past where women couldnt vote or hold bank accounts"

@@suntzu6122 pluuueeeeaase 🙄 The dude just wants women to follow his lead and do what he says. When they were complacent, only housewives, cooking and taking care of children. You’re the one choosing not to see certain realities behind his comments, even his demeanor.

@@JorQuin complacent*. wtf is complaisant, is this what feminism is teaching you hahaha

@@suntzu6122Derrick was trolling 😂. You’re actually brain dead if u thought he was being genuine. Now the other men had the same views but they were actually trying to have a conversation Derrick was just there to sound mentally challenged and laugh for no reason. Bro literally started laughing in the middle of the point he was trying to make

@@migwigpee0796 Lol big insults coming from someone who is straight wrong. He wasnt trolling at all. Its prob hard for you to grasp because theres a 96% chance youre under 15.

*ded* 🤣

Lmaooooo, you put it into words

@@supposedlyaperson2168 _"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win” originated with Mahatma Gandhi_

This is the best comment I’ve ever seen

@@DemonsCrest1 I haven't seen any fighting going on, the whole point is to avoid that

beatsbysweat lmfao

Taterman 02 who is Derrick

@@user-gb2ol2cp1n The incel... the one with the fricking yellow jacket lol

@Julius Songling haha Wow. Should put that in quotation. Maybe the lady on the left would have been better choice of words... but then again. You chose it... =[

@@imnotaweebyounormie547 Haha... yeah

I'm Not A Weeb You Normie ok

David Hernandez Eh, I don’t blame em. Some people are just not the likable type *cough* Derick.

I think both Derrick and Mimi need to check their attitudes. All the other four were people who you would like to have a conversation with, especially Bea and Zach. But Derrick's idiocy and Mimi's blind faith put them on the top of my 'Stay away from' list

Ikr I love it 😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭

Derrick isnt that bad

@@SDLXVI said no one Ever... 😂

Problem is with people like her is that their experiences are so dark that they often spread their own darkness whilst calling it strength. I call it "hate-preaching" where they take a handful of really bad experiences and paint an entire demographic they've never met the same shade. You could tell half of everything she said was pandering to that audience. Like I really want to sympathize with her plight's, but she's so full of vitriol and frustration its very difficult. I know the whole "put yourself in their shoes" argument comes up a lot, but although its a mighty big pill to swallow spreading anger and unease helps no one.

I like the analysis

@@zaxbitterzen2178u can’t blame her or other women who have gone through what she has

@@rxm1109 oh I wouldn't dream of it even. I'm only saying there's only so far someone can take their anger until they just start taking it out on others for no reason.

I wish that she wouldn’t use Raed as her examples of what men are like because men are actually the ones that get abused in relationships more.

As a girl I completely agree

We want to. That's why the patriarchy needs to go, it's hurting BOTH genders

⁠@@amarzya445then we will replace it with a matriachy one

@@suvarniski how about a matri-patri-archy

This is where it's at. I don't label myself feminist but rather a supporter of gender equality for exactly this reason.

LMAOOOOO GOOD EYE😂

Like

Plague

Communism

Public executions

Gwizzyy like some of my closest friends are female I dint see what’s wrong about it

@@eoghanjones9042 my closest friends are all men. Wtf are you on about

I learned from this video I “shouldn’t” be friends with my many Male friends 😂😂😂😂

@@Nora-yb9jw What are you arguing?

Honestly dude

Derrick seemed like a Jerk everyone else was so mature and articulate and gave really well informed arguments, it felt so professional if it wasn't for him

@@Heejinbunny Derrick was the biggest issue in the mens rights side.

Even tho it's a wonderful idea to raise the quality of those arguments, it's not something that would benefit the views and etc. The amount of people who felt the urge to write something about the yellow dide is insane and lots of comments is what gets videos recommended to other people

So true 😂

I know I was

Though they didnt need help either

Well they clearly didn't tell him anything to stop him... actions speak louder than words, my friend.

Bored Bored bored Well the thing was it was a discussion to allow everyone to share their opinions. Like they said they all have different perspectives, yet they fall under the same vague umbrella of Men’s Rights. And the other two should not be judged based on his comments, they are completely different people with completely yet somewhat similar perspectives.

HAHAHAHAAHA

Lmao

Fr

Yes

Yo Derrick isn’t in the wrong! No one is it’s just beliefs like if you were Christian and I’m atheist! We can still respect eachother and our own beliefs

poetic

Was trying to find the words for it. Thank you

but.... what we have is not a equality! not even close!

​@@ruslanagadzhanyan2753Correct; The point is that there is pushback *against* social equality because those who are privileged feel offended by it

@@pinkflare13 not at all, you wanna tell me that something like presumption of paternity is equality? You wanna tell me that blatant bias against men in courts and during police encounters are equality? You wanna tell me that woman having an abortion option meanwhile men are solely at a mercy of woman and/or hope that condoms that he use is not faulty... basically accountability for men, but not for women, how is that equality? Let me reitterate I am not against abortion, in fact I am very much pro abortion, but just like I personally want abortion to stay, I also want paper abortion for men to be introduced. I am sorry, but your words "oh you just mad that your priviledge is going away" is projection in its pure form, vast majority of men in 2023 myself included, do not care if women would have equal rights as us, we do not mind that at all, where we start complaining is when women receive more perks that us or preferencial treatment in the places where things should be equal like in the courtroom.

this one sentence could silence so many toxic femenists bro

You just dont see what hes saying

LeCeaseDaProducer, what is he saying?? He said he wishes to go back to the 50s because him and his greasy hair can’t get a girlfriend so he wants to force a girl into a relationship.

@@Scheemar he Is just old fashioned and traditional. He wants to go back to a time when god came first in our lives. Where men loved and respected ONE woman. And woman allowed their men to feel like men. Not today's day where the girl you texting got 5 side guys.

But to be fair younger people are able to give a more creative and insightful opinion which in general would make a conversation better but that just doesn't happen here which might be so just because no one understands him his opinion are different from the others who are trying to avoid offending the other side but he had to get his point through which make him seem like an asshole and that is why the comment section dislikes him

@@Cassiuss damn Right

Meg Griffin-esque, if you will

Exactly like jonah hills roles😂😂

He looks like Vince Chung from American dad

Couldn't describe him better.

Literally my ex

Especially since they say they are activist for men!!!

I think they had a misunderstanding of what toxic masculinity is. I think alot of people think we're saying that masculinity is toxic but no we're saying that there are ideas of how men should behave that are harmful to others and themselves.

@@aliaab123 I think toxic femininity should have been discussed too

@@aliharis4266 yeah I agree

@@aliaab123 I am glad you agreed

based Derrick

And no one likes Derrick

No this is Patrick

Ah yes, the three genders

Fr😭

Why does everyone hate Derek

Istg he looks like the youngest person here with his attitude.

He’s dead he killed himself smh

Ugh yes this

@@respectablegunowner big if true

That's disrespectful to middle schoolers, I'm sure most have them have better views than Derrick ugh

Which feminism is against they don't want equality but triple standards hopefully AI will put an end to their toxic movement by showing people their true colors

@@egg4489 there’s a radical feminist, we don’t claim them. they took feminism to the extremes feminism is actually about giving woman equal rights as men

@@egg4489 and some men’s rights supporters are too radical. They’re more of degrading women than helping men get rights that they already have. It’s like you see someone in a handicap spot and you feel offended so you go in the spot and then people are like you don’t need the handicap spot but you don’t get out the handicap spot.

@@egg4489pov: feminism is 1 tweet with 2 likes. I guarantee you only know feminism from anti feminist sources (I know because I used to think the same).

@@egg4489How is feminism against it?

Not true, you just think that because it goes against your belief!!

@@CristanioPeweyyy name 1!

@@MrGB-me8ws Less single mothers, stronger family units. Named you two reasons instead.

Yeah fr no person of color would go “I wish I we could go back to the 1920’s”

@@CristanioPeweyyy like how women back then can't get divorced, stuck under abusive household, can barely get their own bank card? Lol

😂

They all agreed that men and woman should be working together, as shown here we totally can, but i think a big problem is that they are trying to change one side of the medal without touching it all(maby a bad excample?) because both sides got problems and both sides got advantages, so its just them flipping the coin all the time instead of bringing it together like some human rights movement? Thats at least what I see from this video its just them telling each other both sides got their issues to deal with, like anyone who ever wasin a relationship for mor than a month knows(explains Derricks standpoint :P). Comming from a man dunno how that helps but thats my thought on it.

I haven’t watched the whole video yet but I’m going to guess Derrick is the guy in the yellow. Edit: Yehp, that’s definitely him.

I cringed at a lot of what he was saying, but also when Kursat kept insisting men was a class. Oof.

Christine Drummond ok buddy, they both were actually making valid points and shutting down a lot of the feminists invalid points. But as a woman you probably instinctively side with the other women and blindly disagree with the other sides points just because they are not women.

Probably on purpose as a social experiment

Is that a prequel meme? Did I just randomly discover a man of culture?

Hello there

Actually that's when the uncreative, follower, sheep like you come lol.... How exciting, the same basic comment from the scared, herd like mentality morons 😂

@@MsCwebb are you ok?

Alicia looked demon possessed half the time

And Mimi

Bahahahah I can’t breath.

FR this guy needs to go outside real bad

Yeah me too

@@sarahkirkman4843 thats what he said

he needs to touch some grass

I see one group. Uneducated people.

@@ranyl7744 true I wasted 10 mins of my precious life in this

No Admiral Ackbar, It's a trap!

Derrick just came right out with that degree in incel, jesus.

Well, I understand where Derrick is coming from. I mean, he said that he was very traditional and if we were really talking about the old times like when men would really try everything to get a women. They would go and buy them flowers, they would pay the meal on their date, they would compete with other men because they really do like that woman, they would always be there for the woman, they won't cheat on their wife and kids. They would really be their guards (wife and kids) if there was a burglar entering the house or they met a mugger on the street, men would go and work for their family and the women would stay and raise their kids until they grow up. But now, men doesn't compete and give the best that they can to women, some would just rather catcall the women and force the woman to like them and go home with them. That's not toxic masculinity, those men doesn't have any type of masculinity in them. We cannot go and say that those men are masculine. Derrick just wants men to be what they used to be, a caring and protective people that they should be

Oof size: *large*

It's funny cause he is now married

@@utubetutorialsals How do you know?

@@utubetutorialsals yeah, to his hand. 😂

Who let him out in public 😻

That's odd, why is it normal to ask women details about their assaults?

yo why u bully him like that lol

lmaoo

Arrrmmmmyyy💜💜💜💜

Yassssssss

HAHAAHHAHAH FR

YES WE CAN AGREE ON THIS

I didn't really like Derrick, there was just something about him that pissed me off.

@@starstruck6162 yea he made no sense

@@starstruck6162 actually nvm he would probably turn the whole therapy center insane

I was your 1000th like CONGRATS EYY

HER POINTS? Bro did you miss the spot where she dissed the guy for stating a fact and just refused to provide evidence

@@mokivalera3563 That's not who she is talking about.

@@AmaraOkudoh then who😭

@@mokivalera3563 The other black lady but lighter skin in the black shirt

@@chungus7355 she also kinda sucked

you mean on r/incel

this is a horrible joke i almost killed my self

@@DiscAgent Derrick is that you?

@Reaganomics •101 damn I played myself by replying to a troller bot.

Hey you guys, it’s real. There really is a sisterhood of women who are against men. Feminism is their disguise, look into “Lady Ishtar”- The goddess of war and love. The love she gives is used against you.

Lmao

But true

Prolly

Dammm dont be dissing McDonalds like that

YES

I mean he did claim at the start of the vid that he was an "Incel"😅😅

Ez G just come out already

Ez G Seems like someone’s salty

Oh hahahah😂😂👏

Pacific Fire His beliefs were very interesting to hear.

It was a video.

Uncle Ruckus you are 102% balck

Search for "I'm an incel. Ask me anything", and you get a whole video of him :P

Pacific Fire IM WHEEZING

Facts I mean ofc we aren't equal in every way. I do think that we are equal in most things

🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️​@@omotayosatuyi252

Same😤

DR.LILJAY It’s because he shouldn’t of been there

@@erickamunoz9497 I think he should, Ericka, he's an archetype, a representation of the mentality of a lot of people out there. I do think it's inherently problematic to give more volume to people with those opinions, but in this specific contest with the potential of counterpoints, it might have been constructive. Would not give him a RU-vid channel, though, intolerance towards intolerance isn't hypocritical.

@@leonvwerneck1 "intolerance towards intolerance isn't hypocritical." It can be. What counts as intolerance and who gets to make that call? If your "intolerance towards intolerance" is greatly disproportionate to the intolerance itself, then that is hypocritical. Likewise if one is authorized to decide what counts as intolerance and another is not, then you can have a situation where: A(authorized party) does something mildly intolerant to B(non-authorized party) deeming it acceptable and not intolerant, B responds exactly in kind, A deems that intolerant and therefore worthy of escalation. Otherwise I think I agree.

Jelly the jellyfish ikr lol 😂

Same😂

oh he's most likely saying that bc after a female heard the words coming out of his mouth, they made the right decision and waled away.

Bro same. I skipped to the middle and I was expecting to be confused trying to find out who's Derrick, but I knew it the moment I saw him

Jelly the jellyfish LITEEALLY

Hey just replying because this is a subject I would wanna learn more about I was wondering if you have a link or website I can be reffered to when it came to the statics about crying may make a men less attractive?

the point is that the women are targeted to do a specific role meanwhile mens can do whatever they want

The men's rights activies also said that women are advanteged and THAT is complete bullsh*t

And without his presence, I think a far more productive discussion would have been had. I also get the suspicion that it was intentional. They knew all the focus would be on this guy instead of Zach who is obviously a mature and intelligent guy and made some great points.

@@MrBastilleDay He was in another video about incels so if that isn't a testament to his character. I don't know what is.

Dude wasn’t even ~ trying ~ to listen. Absolutely no respect from him

Yeah and the other guy to I forgot his name and i don't give a fuck. The only dude who was genuinely interested and cool was the asian guy asking question and just trying to educate himself good dude

@@vrexxpotvin9304 nah the fella with the cool accent was trying to have a discussion as well, man came prepared with statistical evidence instead of anecdotal which made him come off as "uncaring" I guess. Derrick was hilariously out of his depth tho.

Same lmaooo

SAMEEE THEY BE LIKE: 👁👄👁

~ ~ 👁👄👁

RIGHT AGKSJDKD

That's what happens when you are raised without a father.

Where was he billeting her though? I mean if you are going to come to debate bring some facts. Her response was pretty rude in my opinion

If he gets that look before even saying he's an incel I almost can't blame him for being one.

Aleysha was by far the most toxic one in the room

@@bryansalinas5547 ikr and people like her are the reason why feminism and men's right are a thing. Her behavior is really childish.

@@billrussell4832 That's a pretty ignorant statement, and I as a straight Male I know as a fact that most women biologically are more open to expressing how they feel subcontiously and sometimes have trouble keeping in their feelings as much as men do. As you heard her say, she has definently had bad expereinces with men in the past and wants justice. I am black too and I have a huge idea of where she's coming from. I am not a men's activist nor am I a feminist, I'm only speaking from a general human perspective. My point is, just because a women's actions can seem childish at times doesn't mean they are because she was definently upset with every right to be upset, for a completely acceptable reason and to not see that makes you ignorant like the dude in the yellow jacket.

@@billrussell4832 Obviously I know about the real childish acting/literally crazy women I see but I can tell she doesn't represent that level of excitement.

lol, ur comment is right under the one u copied

Sarah Jade fr

Bruh, copied

There’s always a Derrick

Period

which one?

@@regisglass5464 when she claimed that feminist organisations help men and couldn't name any.

@@DavidW-ux2gc wasn't that after all the MRA's said men are lesser parents while the feminists disagreed?

​@@regisglass5464, the MRAs didn't say that. The feminists said that masculinity is toxic.

@@DavidW-ng5zv thus, per pretending they didn't, thank you for noticing why MRAs don't help men

nessie now has a phone why do I feel like Derrick only got one like on his RU-vid videos

I literally said oh my god here we go 🙄

That black womans face when he said youtuber lmao

Bro

garlic bread thats exactly what I did lmao

Men can’t be feminists, sweetie

Ari Mijangos Ruiz I’m a man who considers myself a feminist lol

Jacob Steinberg so you hate yourself?

Bengiamino feminists don’t hate men you toad

Ari Mijangos Ruiz literally not true. Feminism means the belief that men and women are equal. The large majority of men believe that too. Men can and should be feminists.

I don't really like when she said that why do men need a men's rights org

Yeah I didn't really like ene she was questioning why men need a men's rights group

Reply

Bcus he too manly for them

Why is this comment a year old and all the replies are from less than a week ago? Lmao

@@kenkaneki8091 true he is too manly Ken

Hope he'll live his life single bc women like him NEVER deserve to be treated that way according to him

All of us men are embarrassed that derrick is himself a "man"

@@LanxPenzenpepper correction: all of us men are embarrassed by anyone that thinks a "men activist" is a real thing

Maybe he didn't learn enough history.

Ryan Moores you are my new favorite person

he was the worst person they could have chosen for this episode lol

I feel like those can only applied in worldwide perspective, imo a better choice of sentences would be "men have better access to a lot of things than women". Example of this is the lack of research in menstrual product for example, it was only last year where they finally tested the usage of pad with actual blood instead of water

@@nasrinnskiTo be fair, hygiene products are an unfair comparison to make regarding men. Men really don't have the issue of hygiene products.

@@lavans5721 based on what youve stated that means men dont have the issue of hygiene products therefore women do have the issues of hygiene products

@@nasrinnski not what I'm stating at all. I'm literally saying what I'm saying. Men don't have that issue, because they don't use tampons and other female menstrual products. Because they don't use those, it would be unfair to compare the two sexes in that regard.

@lavans5721 I mean yeah that's the problem. Men as a gender/species have existed as long as women does, yet the research on females body are still lacking in comparison. Does that seems to make sense?

LMAO

Lol true

AAAAAAAAHAHAHA

Ahahahahhaaa

I feel like he is more of a reddit mod for some porn sub more than he is like a discoed mod

Including yours, ironically enough.

I have

But was hard to find

@@angelwashere4259 hi chrollo want to have dinner and discuss Hisoka?

Check my comment. Derrick does suck but videos like this beed to have comment sections about the bigger picture

"I do believe men and women should be equal." ironically, the MRA's disagree with you. you should probably interact with more feminists since you are already partial to their views.

​@@regisglass5464 then why does feminism teach vvomen to hate men?

@@DavidW-ng5zv that's odd, where do the feminists state they hate men? The MRAs constantly say men are lesser parents, so does this mean they hate men?

@@regisglass5464 the MRAs are men, so they do not hate them. That would be odd. However, the feminists believe that women are oppressed by men in the patriarchy", hence this belief creates resentment and hatred of men.

@@regisglass5464 Lies, lies and more lies from a female incel who doesn’t want men to have equal rights. There’s nothing that triggers you Karens more than woman who believe in REAL equality!

I really wanna like your comment but it’s at 69.

@@sulfur_americium2993 u can like now lol

Not chaos ... Syndrome!!

like number 609

Derrek speaks and then I wonder why he is even allowed in the conversation

Self deprecation is the first tenet of Inceldom.

STFU

He’s a good guy has to work on somethings in his life but who doesn’t I can agree with a decent chunk of what he brought to the table

HE IS PERFECTLY ANTICIPATING THESE SELF RIGHTEOUS FEMINIST BELIEFS.

he kinda sounds like he's trolling at some points

the way he thinks and speaks and looks , no he's not incel , he harvest the fruit of his own actions. He's being punished , and I must say rightfully so. These kind of idiots shouldn't be allowed to breed.

@Meat Pole people who self identify as incels typically come from a place of having bad experiences with women that cause them to polarize themselves against women as a whole. I'm not sure if you're familiar with TERFs but it's like the male equivalent of that. Some talking points revolve around feeling as though women only chase "Chads" which is the idea of a perfect handsome man, the idea that all women are manipulative and/or gold diggers, and that their personal issues with developing relationships with women are the result of problems such as these. Hope that helps

Ahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahah😐

juice wrld said it dont u ever disrespect juice

@@manu-nz7vc what? I dont understand

Or the girls who say it about guys

Derrick is just derrick

That's an odd response. Why is Zack correct for demanding Alysha give details about being assaulted?

@@regisglass5464 because she's very accusatory and hadn't given anything to back up her point

@@falconhoward4032 that's an odder response. Since you agree she answered only due to Zacks demand for details about her abuse, why is answering his question wrong?

@@regisglass5464 there was no "demand for details". If you're gonna make an inflammatory claim, you better be prepared to back it up. You can't just say "men are evil. Idk they just are" And who said answering his questions was wrong? Huh??

@@falconhoward4032 if you believe so, then why not quote zacks question? it's actually fairly short. If answering questions is not wrong, then why state alysha answering zack means she went on "a whole rant"?

honestly tho when I heard that I was like- 🤢✌️😔✋🏃‍♂️💨

Lmaoooo

Exactly, he threw his ass away the moment the word came out of his mouth.

The problem with the incel community is that there are varied subsections of groups which differ in intensity, and there is not an official treatise of what exactly constitutes the incel philosophy (blackpill). Their general argument, which is that women are more selective than men for relationships, is a slippery contention because there is minimal evidence for it. However, they capitalize on events where women carry a certain attitude towards men solely on their appearance, although this is not to say all women behave this way. What one could surely say is that there has been a major culture change on the viewing towards polygamist sex, when throughout most of modern history, fornication was frowned upon. Media categorizes relationships to almost be considered as a fashion statement, where strapping, tall muscular men bond with lustrous, curvaceous women. These unrealistic physical archetypes of what men and women should be leave an entire population subconsciously influenced by such standards. People become more jealous of sex when all forms of media glorify it to be an amazing thing. Underrepresented Men in the dating scene, who probably do not meet this media standard of tall and muscular, probably have a much harder time to attract women because psychologically they feel physically inadequate due to cultural standards, leading them to a downward spiral of resentment and low self-esteem. Some women who are more in preference to physical intimacy than long-term authentic relations, may hanker more towards better-looking men because it makes them feel subconsciously to be of better value. What makes this premise interesting is that men’s supposed physical standards are more of a congenital nature while women’s are not. For example, an overweight woman would not be considered attractive by many but such physical drawbacks can most likely be prevented. On the other hand, a genetically short male cannot change his height, or modify a physically unattractive face because men are not expected to wear make up. Derrick employs the faulty generalization fallacy when he says that most women are naturally superficial towards looks, but it is by nature that humans tend to trust more better attractive people than less attractive ones. This may not detract a psychologically sound, although physically ungifted male from wooing females, though it may make things more difficult in a society where we create matches at the click of a button through dating apps. Men should be more grateful of where their physical gifts lie and not expect to bond with a “movie-quality” female, but women should be more understanding of men who may have below-average looks. All of this finger-pointing is useless when it comes to reducing the physical prejudices we have in society. The toxic side of the incel community recognizes some social pitfalls, but quickly generalizes the motives of women. The hyper sexualization of media and the false advertising of romance, as well as drunken mayhem and party scenes of 20-something year olds, where the most visceral and attractive partygoers have casual sex every weekend and treat it like the time of their life, leaves physically ungifted men infuriated, when their testosterone levels are raging high and their fathers and grandfathers would have already been married. This is not to say that this culture is necessarily wrong, but we must encourage people to change their outlook of what creates an ideal, physically attractive man and woman.

@Eggfriend provide me with an argument. And then we can debate and maybe, just MAYBE you can change my mind, rather than resorting to name calling.

Yes 100%

Yes

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Yea he’s horrible

i agree

Not necessarily easier. The problems women face in dating are clearly different from those of men, but there's a reason they're more scared of who they could date than the men are.

@@regisglass5464 In the first world it's undeniably easier.

PERFECTLY well-said

​@@regisglass5464 How can you say that women don't have it easier in dating?

@@DavidW-ng5zv Simple, just be wrong.

Educated and intelligent are different things bro. Educated just means you learned, intelligence means you understood.

He is educated in Biology, doesn't mean he isn't educated.

HiddenOcelot dude how so? Intelligence is using the knowledge you know to acquire new knowledge and applying to problem to finding solutions. Also the ability to learn.

YES

what would that change

@@triipon_2774 it would show more perspectives

@@triipon_2774 It would show that there are men and women on both sides, and take away the male vs. female aspect. It also shows a broader perspective. Also, it shows that a person can be an activist for a movement, even when they don't have a person interest and benefit.

Derrick is why feminists exist

@Angry Egalitarian facts

derrick just committed suicide because of all the hate he got... rip

@@umamifan is there an article for that I wanna see

@@umamifan wait fr??

@@umamifan hopefully thats true