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Transferring my Super Red Arowana to the new 257gal tank 

Charles Apdua
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This is my 11 months Super Red Arowana from Hengki farm being transferred to her new 257gal from 75gal grow out tank.
Got this at a very young age around 5 inches and currently it is now 17 inches +
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@nimishrangari723
@nimishrangari723 7 лет назад
Thanks for the vid, I learned a new way to transfer fish without the usual splashing around.
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
you're welcome Nimish Rangari :)
@TranquilZoo
@TranquilZoo 6 лет назад
Such a Beautiful Tank.
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 6 лет назад
Thank you Charley An :)
@herbsamonte2984
@herbsamonte2984 7 лет назад
Dog at the window cute af!
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
She's curious what's going on :D
@humphreybermudez4262
@humphreybermudez4262 4 года назад
Very beautiful super red arowana 😊
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 4 года назад
Thanks a lot! :)
@nteekens7411
@nteekens7411 7 лет назад
I never get it when there's no decoration in the tank, makes it look so much better!
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
avoids damaging your Aro if it gets wild :D
@carlsracingmiami
@carlsracingmiami 3 года назад
Sweet
@jomarpanado1436
@jomarpanado1436 5 лет назад
Ganda nman ng aquarium nyo sir
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 5 лет назад
Thanks! :)
@akongapalasikalel328
@akongapalasikalel328 5 лет назад
Wow pilipino pala itong si sir
@beastmodefishing1441
@beastmodefishing1441 5 лет назад
Nice Filtration
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 5 лет назад
Thanks! :)
@jaysonjay1770
@jaysonjay1770 5 лет назад
Very gentle handling.. the dog at the window.. lolol
@m72e592863
@m72e592863 7 лет назад
Just subscribed good videos. I noticed you follow the angry Ram also. LOL
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
rich andy thanks for the sub man! I appreciate it ;) who's angry Ram? :D
@m72e592863
@m72e592863 7 лет назад
The Angry Ram was a video you liked. It is a large Ram people video while he is chasing them through the woods.
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
rich andy hahaha now I remember :D that video was hilarious :D
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
This one.. lol ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DLzDRge6P0U.html
@fadeawade03
@fadeawade03 7 лет назад
Would have been nice if you had shown it swimming in the new tank a but longer
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
Bryan Le thanks for the suggestion
@mr.niceguy5954
@mr.niceguy5954 7 лет назад
Nice sticker kababayan! HFK!!
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
Sweet Tooth :D 0008 Thanks! :)
@trilokchoukse668
@trilokchoukse668 6 лет назад
Sweet Tooth :D 0008 se
@shamefun4906
@shamefun4906 6 лет назад
thanks
@muhammadrafiq6317
@muhammadrafiq6317 6 лет назад
I think level water is to hight, no space betwen surface water and roof tank. Arowana can jump, hit the roof and get seriusly injured.
@UjwalSandeep
@UjwalSandeep 7 лет назад
I was waiting to watch the fish swimming in her new tank at the end of the video.
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
Ujwal Sandeep here's an update ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3R1ackSxLl8.html
@vivekraj2644
@vivekraj2644 3 года назад
Hai sir, how to use stability nitrifying bacteria ?? Is that be used before putting the fish.. Kindly advise..
@jayitasarkar9416
@jayitasarkar9416 7 лет назад
make a video of complete setup of your new tank. thanks in advance
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
Jayita Sarkar thanks for suggesting. I'll make one if time permits.
@freepyy3496
@freepyy3496 7 лет назад
Jayita Sarkar o
@anthonycarter9916
@anthonycarter9916 7 лет назад
Hello Charles just found your channel and enjoyed your vids on your Arowana. Hey could you provide a little more info on you sump setup and media used and positioning in it. Really like your setup.
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
Hi Anthony, thanks for subscribing my channel, I appreciate your comment and I'm glad you enjoyed my Aro videos. I'll definitely create something regarding my sump and setup. Thanks for your suggestion!
@andycunzs736
@andycunzs736 6 лет назад
I wait for your sump set up too...still learning...:)
@edcdreampurger8139
@edcdreampurger8139 7 лет назад
okay thank you👍
@amitvharate6482
@amitvharate6482 6 лет назад
Because of you and your arowana the Cute goldfish will die
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 6 лет назад
If you've watched the video till the end, the goldfish was removed from the tank right after the Aro was transfered. They were used to help cycle the tank faster.
@gevira_design
@gevira_design 3 года назад
Nice👍👍
@danishnoor306
@danishnoor306 6 лет назад
Whats the thickness of aquarium glass ???? Is it glass or acrylic ?? Plz let me.know.
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 6 лет назад
It's glass 1/2 size.
@shadowshooter4224
@shadowshooter4224 7 лет назад
Beware, Arowana can jump, please close your aquarium properly.
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
Shadow Shooter thanks for the concern. yes the top is covered properly with weights to make sure it cant jump
@madanking2150
@madanking2150 7 лет назад
+Charles Apdua hi
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
Bigger risk if it's covered with glass or acrylic.. the net lid provides enough Flex to absorb impact just in case the Aro jumps.
@randypalle3205
@randypalle3205 4 года назад
@@charles2low2drag how did you make that top , how to make it please tell me , i am going to make 5 feet tank for my aro in home , i dont know about top please tell me
@randypalle3205
@randypalle3205 4 года назад
@@charles2low2drag how did the top stand on the aquarium what did u do for grip
@fmb8755
@fmb8755 7 лет назад
In the fish stores how much do the small Arowana cost? I plan keeping one but I dont know anything about it. Like what they eat, do they need an air pump, how large can they grow. I'm from PH
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
you can start by checking this FB group: facebook.com/groups/arokeepersph/ You'll learn a lot from Arowana Keepers Philippines, check the pinned post and all the basics are there.
@dan2joaquin
@dan2joaquin 6 лет назад
Sir how much naging total cost ng tank mo including sump and medias? Hfk!
@amitvharate6482
@amitvharate6482 6 лет назад
Opps sorry I can't see them thanks for replying the gold fish were removed so I am very happy
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 6 лет назад
No worries! :) I transferred them to a 30gal tank. They're grown big as well and looks happy :D
@MyKaKaZ
@MyKaKaZ 6 лет назад
Hi. Can you tell me how big your water pump? L/H? What your suggestion for 4ft aquarium?
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 6 лет назад
I'm using Aquasyncro C8000 it's 8000L/H what's the height and width of your 4ft tank? You need at least x4 flow rate.
@ramuthota6525
@ramuthota6525 7 лет назад
hi Charles wt is the speciality in ur arovana fish wt is the price arovana fish
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
Ramu, do you mean what kind of Aro? this is a Super Red Arowana from Hengki Farm (Indonesia) price for small size 5" is around $800-1000 USD (price here in Philippines)
@ramuthota6525
@ramuthota6525 7 лет назад
hi Charles yes the arowana fish use in India remove negative problems from home it's right.....
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
Yes that's right Arowana brings Luck & Prosperity
@jamespatlan1279
@jamespatlan1279 5 лет назад
What kind of light are you using in your tank? I like it!
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 5 лет назад
It's a pink tanning light from Arcadia :)
@jamespatlan1279
@jamespatlan1279 5 лет назад
Charles Apdua can you pls give me more information about that light?
@gelmancabonegro3041
@gelmancabonegro3041 5 лет назад
boss, anu naka box sa gilid na kulay white?
@alexbomb3204
@alexbomb3204 7 лет назад
so 30 celcius is ideal temperature for arowana?
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
alex bomb 29-30c is the ideal
@yogalifesammy
@yogalifesammy 4 года назад
Can you tell me the size of your fish tanks
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 4 года назад
it's 5.5 x 2.5 x 2.5ft tank :)
@yogalifesammy
@yogalifesammy 4 года назад
both the tank size is the same?
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 4 года назад
my old tank was a 75 gal, (4ft x 18inch x 18inch), is that what you're asking? or you want to know the sump bottom filter dimension?
@ruslitomey
@ruslitomey 7 лет назад
hello can i find out..ur old tank the 75 gallon...was it 4 feet x 1.8 feet x 1.8 feet?...thank you..
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
Rusli mohd diah my 75gal is standard 48x18x18inch
@ruslitomey
@ruslitomey 7 лет назад
Charles Apdua thank you very much for your kind reply...☺☺
@sharulnizam690
@sharulnizam690 6 лет назад
Charles Apdua your old tank 75gallon is same with my tank, but ur old tank still can keep arowana right, that enough for arowana?
@alextan8723
@alextan8723 6 лет назад
Wow, this is the exact same size as mine. Can I know what air pump you used to fluidize your k1 media? How many litre / min air pump you used?
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 6 лет назад
Hi Alex, I did not use air pump. I'm using AquaSyncro C8000 (8,000 L/hr) for my sump, the K1 media moves fine with the flow :)
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 6 лет назад
Btw, Thanks for subscribing! ;)
@alextan8723
@alextan8723 6 лет назад
Sorry, I don't really understand what you mean. You mean you did not use an air pump to fluidize the k1? Instead or air pump you used a power head pump is it?
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 6 лет назад
No Airpump nor Power Head pump in the chamber where I put the K1 media. It just moves from the water flow that my Sump Pump generates.
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 6 лет назад
I've tried adding power head pump before inside the K1 media chamber, but to save electricity I stop using it and just leave the k1 media flow from water current.. maybe because my sump pump is more than enough to make the K1 media move (strong enough to collide)
@olivescranberry5451
@olivescranberry5451 7 лет назад
before i ever take care a lot off fish arwana big sz..medium sz .end small sz.. 7 off fish tank..turtles...bird...end 2 doggie... very busy... .
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
olives cranberry that's a lot of pets :D
@adinugrohoful
@adinugrohoful 7 лет назад
should we set the same ph or temperature in new aquarium to the old one before transferring arowana? or just acclimating for around 15 minutes before release it?
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
Adi Nug best if temp & ph are the same.. but if new tank has diff parameters, best thing to do is to acclimate longer.. slowly introduce the new water while Aro is still inside the plastic.
@adinugrohoful
@adinugrohoful 7 лет назад
Charles Apdua how long if it need more time to acclimate it? should i put an oxygen inside the plastic if i need more time to acclimate? btw thanks for your fast respond tho :D
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
Adi Nug 20mins is fine.. no need for aerator, just make sure to tie the plastic as the Aro could jump if its opened.
@universalvideosr9524
@universalvideosr9524 6 лет назад
Is that tank made of 12mm glass ? Plz reply
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 6 лет назад
Yes vishnu R the glass is 12mm (1/2")
@juliusesarda
@juliusesarda 5 лет назад
Boss... Tanong lang po... Enough na ba ang 4ft. x 2ft. x 2ft. Tank para sa Asian Aro?
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 5 лет назад
Yes boss, for me yan ang sweet spot size ng tank for asian Aro.
@juliusesarda
@juliusesarda 5 лет назад
@@charles2low2drag Salamat po sa info... Wala kasi akong space para sa malaking Tank eh...
@bariksag_akk2406
@bariksag_akk2406 7 лет назад
San ka nagpagawa ng tank mo pre and how much
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
kay MangBen ako nag pagawa.. last year pa ito. facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010248168299 Main tank Php10.5k Sump Php4.5k Stand Php6.5k
@lilbrightsun6722
@lilbrightsun6722 5 лет назад
Nice
@cakeboy8360
@cakeboy8360 7 лет назад
Doggo came to check
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
:D yeah she's funny and curious what's going on.
@zyrusaquino3008
@zyrusaquino3008 7 лет назад
how much arowana
@NicolaiCastro
@NicolaiCastro 5 лет назад
Im part of that group
@mr.niceguy5954
@mr.niceguy5954 7 лет назад
Update boss! :)
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
Sweet Tooth :D 0008 i will update soon :D
@mr.niceguy5954
@mr.niceguy5954 7 лет назад
Charles Apdua nice! looking forward boss! :)
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
kabayan, here's an update of my SR :) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fVDQCjdxbls.html
@Jon-jc1jf
@Jon-jc1jf 5 лет назад
Stfu
@charjos883
@charjos883 7 лет назад
what. is. the. cost of. the. arowna. fish .👈
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
Hi CHAR JOS around $650-700
@wtfish9938
@wtfish9938 6 лет назад
Is it a Banjar red arowana?
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 6 лет назад
Super Red
@shreyashkukde6678
@shreyashkukde6678 7 лет назад
what is the size of ur tank plz tell me breadth height lenght width depth
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
5.5x2.5x2.5ft LxWxH
@shreyass9518
@shreyass9518 4 года назад
Wat is the dimensions of ur 75 gallon tank
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 4 года назад
it's 48x18x18 inches
@shreyass9518
@shreyass9518 4 года назад
@@charles2low2drag thank u sir for the quick reply how long did u keep him in the 75g sir
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 4 года назад
@@shreyass9518 Arowana grow very fast.. in my case I moved mine exactly after 1 year
@arp3316
@arp3316 7 лет назад
what is that comming in the window
@yukialucard9475
@yukialucard9475 7 лет назад
ARP any advice, my arowana got spoiled feeding gold fish. it doesnt eat anything.. i need alternative feeds.. its costing me fortune.. please advise.
@scotteotty1237
@scotteotty1237 7 лет назад
Mark Hapatinga starve him for 1 starve him for 24 hours and see if he eats 2 do a big water change he can survive up to 72 hours without food but dont just in case 3 watch the king of diy youtube channel he has a video on that topic also any creeks nearby caus you can get fish from it make sure its clean 4 shrimp and crayfish are one of there most favourite foods and cheap so buy them dont support feeder fish sellers buy some goldfish not labled as feeder fish and breed them itll last forever
@watertown1009
@watertown1009 7 лет назад
Stop feeding and starve your fish for a week and try feeding market prawn. Peel the shell and cut to small pieces and feed slowly. Your fish will definitely eat.
@scotteotty1237
@scotteotty1237 7 лет назад
Water Town i just go down to a 5 min away creek from my house and a bring a bucket and large net 20 inches and scoop up at least 30 live prawns 5 live crayfish and lots of fish leave them in the in a quarantine system for 2 days and delicous food thats how i feed him when im away put 20 live shrimp 5 crayfish and feeder fish that lasts him up to a week
@watertown1009
@watertown1009 7 лет назад
Live shrimp is great for arowana , not so sure about cray fish
@bhagya663
@bhagya663 3 года назад
Tank size
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 3 года назад
5.5 x 2.5 x 2.5ft
@naerlex9525
@naerlex9525 7 лет назад
How Much (HM) po bili nyo sa API STRESS COAT+....TIA :)
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
Php750 yung 64oz :)
@migsmigs2010
@migsmigs2010 7 лет назад
Hindi ba sobrang magastos sa stress coat? Mas ok ba talaga sya compared to prime? Thanks
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
Both are good products. Dipende kung san nasanay and hiyang Aro mo. Long term mas makaka save ka sa Prime. I just prefer Stresscoat kc yun gamit ko eversince.
@migsmigs2010
@migsmigs2010 7 лет назад
Thanks bro.
@edcdreampurger8139
@edcdreampurger8139 7 лет назад
how much liters have your aquarium :)
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
Robin Haack 972 liters (257gal)
@middleeast2597
@middleeast2597 7 лет назад
whats happend with that Goldfish
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
CΞNK ΞLMAS those are my test fish.. they are now separated from my Aro
@watertown1009
@watertown1009 7 лет назад
hi Charles,Who fabricate your tank is it Fluidize filter system.
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
Yes I'm using 2kg of K1 Media in one of the chambers of my sump. tank and sump is made by MangBen here in Philippines
@watertown1009
@watertown1009 7 лет назад
Good system
@watertown1009
@watertown1009 7 лет назад
its a good system but is it noisy?I would like to have this system but due to the noise level I change my mind.Cheers Charles
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
no it's not noisy at all.. the only sound you will hear is the overflowing water from main tank to sump.. but you can do something to lessen that noise
@watertown1009
@watertown1009 7 лет назад
Charles could you take a close up photo of your sump so I an replicate here in Singapore..Thanks Nice knowing you
@keepskeong8531
@keepskeong8531 3 года назад
Tank size ?
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 3 года назад
5.5x2.5x2.5ft
@jerjaysy1994
@jerjaysy1994 7 лет назад
ano dimensions ng tank and sump and pump and medias and filtration
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
Jerjay Sy main tank is 5.5x2.5x2.5ft sump is 5'x2'x18" pump Aquasyncro C8000 Medias: 1kg Biohome Ultimate, 2kg K1 media, 1kg Matrix, 105pcs Shanda Bakki Roll, 1kg Ceramic and Jap Mat
@jerjaysy1994
@jerjaysy1994 7 лет назад
thanks sir
@ranjansarker164
@ranjansarker164 6 лет назад
i have a inam green arowana the most costliest
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 6 лет назад
Your Aro sounds awesome.. Can I see your inam green?
@akongapalasikalel328
@akongapalasikalel328 5 лет назад
wow are you a filipino?
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 5 лет назад
Yes Sir! ;)
@shreyasgowda6966
@shreyasgowda6966 6 лет назад
What is the length of Ur 75g tank
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 6 лет назад
4ft
@arnel211
@arnel211 7 лет назад
sir, saan mo nabili red arowana mo?
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
Arnel Enrique Aquatic Imports - Nueva Pet Center
@arnel211
@arnel211 7 лет назад
Charles Apdua salamat sir sa quick reply. metro manila?
@arnel211
@arnel211 7 лет назад
thank you sir nakita ko na, sa quezon city. salamat ulit.
@randomfacts8143
@randomfacts8143 7 лет назад
I see you're filipino hey?
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
Natural Aquascape yes I am :)
@Alex-zs4le
@Alex-zs4le 6 лет назад
Nice aro bro...Member kapala ng AKP.....HFK
@mosespinon1803
@mosespinon1803 2 года назад
The colors on his arowana are so dull.
@arivumalayalam6864
@arivumalayalam6864 7 лет назад
hi sir u here
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
Rinshad 2161 yes I'm here.. how can I help?
@arivumalayalam6864
@arivumalayalam6864 7 лет назад
+Charles Apdua sir I'm going to buy a silver arowna 8inch size .I have aqurium but its just 2feet long and 1feet width and 1.5feet height.I have a 500liter concrete tank also what I do now?
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
your tank is just 22gal that is too small for a silver arowana. you might want to consider upgrading your tank at least to 75-100gal
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
if you're putting the silver aro on the concrete tank make sure its covered properly as Aro are jumpers.
@arivumalayalam6864
@arivumalayalam6864 7 лет назад
+Charles Apdua OK sir that I will cover with proper materials
@Jon-jc1jf
@Jon-jc1jf 5 лет назад
Both tanks are to small
@aquariumfishFAN-yc3rh
@aquariumfishFAN-yc3rh 7 лет назад
That's a nice video, I like it. Pls subscribe me because we are the same in moon and I will subscribe you back? ru-vid.com/show-UChhNACbQcjBojQzZ05UV6AA
@salmankhankhan9472
@salmankhankhan9472 7 лет назад
I am selling a super red. arowana anybody wants
@ramanandchauhan6880
@ramanandchauhan6880 6 лет назад
Price
@thamer_nkk3852
@thamer_nkk3852 6 лет назад
Sadly the arowana will eat all those fish he is a predetor he will eat the fish p.s close your tank cover they will jump
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 6 лет назад
Those are just test fish since the tank is new, just making sure it's already safe for my Aro. The goldfish were already moved to a different tank. Thanks for reminding the cover. ;)
@bipedalhominid6815
@bipedalhominid6815 6 лет назад
HOMIE Croc did you not think he already knows this? You are some new kind of stupid huh
@Miggle-uy3gf
@Miggle-uy3gf 6 лет назад
hahahah says a kid who probably owns a 10 gallon tank with common plecos and cichlids
@littlepunk5666
@littlepunk5666 4 года назад
hahaha..volunteer
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 4 года назад
:D I know right? :P :D
@sujitdeshmukh8090
@sujitdeshmukh8090 7 лет назад
Arwana and gold fish in 1 tank 😅😅😅😅😅😅
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
Those gold fish are my test fish also helps cycle the tank faster. They're on a separate tank now. :)
@sujitdeshmukh8090
@sujitdeshmukh8090 7 лет назад
Ok
@zhengman2799
@zhengman2799 7 лет назад
thats not super red........
@theholybuttfungus5911
@theholybuttfungus5911 6 лет назад
zheng man for super reds it takes them several years to actually become a deep red color
@celinevidhyaanand2619
@celinevidhyaanand2619 6 лет назад
I hate arrowanna because it is very aggressive
@homestaykks4103
@homestaykks4103 7 лет назад
so funny, and yr arowana is not super red, more to grey i see
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 7 лет назад
Homestay KKS not sure if you've read my description.. my Aro is just 11months when I transfered it, usually it turns red after 2 yrs or adulthood.
@Charlitification
@Charlitification 6 лет назад
Patetic tank... No one plant. Too small for arowana. Like kiten in shoes box. Unlike off course.
@charles2low2drag
@charles2low2drag 6 лет назад
Whatever..
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