Nope. He said 2016 wal when he destroyed Chaffee and jerry on both arms and the year he beat vovodea, were his strongest. Now this is close to time frame of vovodea but after
+meimei wang David Chaffee came out of NO WHERE and smoked Denis the FIRST-Time wrestling him and Broke his 2-year streak! And he only started Wrestling in 2006! I know Denis is a f*cking beast but Arm-wrestling is sooo much more about TECHNIQUE than most any can imagine and that's WHY John is, and probably will be for a long while, the Greatest Arm-wrestler in the entire history of the sport!
+s2r5d89 only on the right hand. And he had to struggle very much against Cyplenkov. If he were to face Cyplenkov in 2013, then Brzenk would be smashed.
The irony here is Travis lost inside the straps (where he's most comfortable ) and top rolled Brzenk hand without them after pulling in a hook ( where he's at his worst ) !
Always an impressive feat when any Heavy can beat a SUPER Heavy weight. All things being equal, the big man should win. So it makes it that more impressive when the smaller man does. The difference? Johns INCREDIBLE hand and wrist strength and of course forearm but mostly the former. That's why bigger/stronger guys will pull him in the beginning of a match and will look like they are winning. But once John turns on the switch and gets a chance to use technique to overcome their power, that's all she wrote. If Trav don't beat John quick, the odds tip in Johns favor quickly. #TheLegend
I generally agree, but that's exactly the opposite of what happened here. John has always had a stronger arm than travis on the right, but travis was probably the best top roller in the world in 2005. And also John's arm was as powerful as any super heavy weight during his prime.
roarodon doesn't being larger and having longer arms give you a huge advantage from extra leverage? Sure John's arms were strong but if someone has equally strong arms that are longer imagine that gives them an edge over him.
+Dr. Winterfresh no having longer arms means your muscles need to produce more force to produce the same effect at the hand and wrist. Imagine doing hammer curls with really long forearms.
@@sonyx4500 yeah it was a fluke after that he smashed him in 2004 and it was not even close. Even in 2003 if it was a super match bagent would lose but veovoda was unfortunate but he got his revenge in 2004
Brzenk has that ungodly way of being 2 inches from being pinned and he ain't going nowhere ; then the opponent gets tired and he cranks his wrist-it is over
absolutely it does, john is just a very very special man there haven't been any other lighter guys that have consistently taken down as many super heavy's as john has there's a reason hes considered the best of all time
Looks like brzenk was trying to hook him on the second match and didn't get it fully locked in.. notice how bagents right shoulder dropped back then he dropped all his weight to the pad.. it's a good hook counter.
Huzzah, both are monsters!!!!, bravo for both, they are among my favorite, JohnBrzenk and Travis Bagent, both USA (also like very much Dave Chaffee, Denis Cyplenkov and Devon Larrat). Bravo, thanks for sahring!!!
John Brzenk is amazing. I doubt there will ever be another puller around 200lbs like him that will be dominant for such a long period and at his age/weight taking down so much larger opponents.
You are clueless about armwrestling. The sport was not popular at all back then, and almost no money involved. There were only few that dedicated their time to training. It was quite easy to be a big name. John at his peak would lose to 50 guys today. Open your eyes
He was the right man at the right time, that`s all. I believe he is a legend, but he was the best at his time, not of all times. He will be child play against top 10 today, who are training 24/7
@@mihai5920 dominating the sport for 40+ years you dummy ridiculous fanboy lol is a weak era lol. He pulled from the early 1980s to his recent comeback in 2021 minus what 5 years or less. He has already beaten many top tier pros, almost pinned Devon at his prime first round and beat an elite in the middle wieght class that being Zoloev ALL IN THE SPAN OF 8 months my guy lol. He surely will beat irakli and Todd hutching later both of whom are top 50 in the world if not too 20 and zoloev who is super elite and best in his weight class got crushed by John yet again. Lol “John pulled a weak era” lol GTFO HERE. John in his prime well wrestling most of these guys minus levan, vitaly, and maybe prime denis all whom are over 300lbs and abuse PEDS like crazy. Lets not even talk about John being smaller, older and just came back from retirement after 4+ years and is already competing at the highest level yet again. I don’t even want to mention johns wasted potential, that is he could have been vastly far superior than his prime in 2005-2009 especially 2006 HAVE HE JUICED UP MORE AND TOOM GROWTH HORMONES AND TRAINED LIKE A MODERN ATHLETE WITH MODERN ARMWRESTLING EQUIPMENT, including PULLEYS, heavy weights, machines, and similar to how Todd hutchings, levan, and Ermes trains or any modern elite arm wrestler as a matter of fact. John had much more potent than his prime either you like it or not it believe it, that he could have surpass his prime and been significantly more superior and stronger in every facet and way possible it’s scary. Yet, John didn’t need that shit to steamrolled even giants like prime Lupkes, Denis, Devon, travis bagent, Pushkar etc.
@@mihai5920 Nah, it's you who's clueless. The people that can beat John even now can be counted on one hand. He's 58 years old and just pulled through Corey West. You're an idiot.
He's def the definition of a raw natural, I admit I'm kind of new to sport as a fan and even after watching that cool pulling John documentary really didn't get a lot of insight into Travis like training regiment and his work ethic training intensity wise so I can be totally wrong, but he kind of comes off like one of those guys who has potential to be "the best: or close to it but maybe doesn't quite put in the level of work or good diet/ best weight lifting possible/ and etc. The way some of these other elites did, like for example while Baggant is clearly a rare genetic freak of a specimen of a man just big naturally strong! he's clearly one of the less you know muscular/ripped/defined of a lot of the other greats in his and this current era, which by no means does that count for everything I mean look at these pure ripped freak weight lifters they get crushed by pro arm wrestlers who aren't even 1/100th as ripped and muscular as they are, I just mean Baggant kind of seems like a guy or the type who relied mostly on just his raw genetics/ raw strength as opposed to relying on that but also putting as much focus on building his muscles and etc. Ya know what I mean? if that makes sense, but regardless I mean Baggant still has a killer record and his legacy is more then set in stone as is and I'm sure hel go down on most all time great what top 10-15 lists at least for sure! awesome dude and puller no doubt.
@@danielhicks4826 what you said fits Travis now he’s not really training or focused on arm wrestling like he once was, he used train like an animal and definitely has great genetics but it didn’t all come from there but in the early 2000s Travis was 100 percent squeaking into number 1 in the world but Travis said it himself he will pull if there’s money on the line and he’s always been like that which I respect man for he has a family to take care but he’s kinda always been like that as well so I really cant tell how deep his passion is for this sport but I do know is he is the beast and will always be remembered in this sport
What an epic battle! John is the best , I mean hes not as strong as he used to be, hes nearly 50 years old and still is one of the best armwrestlers today
Dont care what anyone says Baggant is a cool dude and has always been good for the sport, Brezenk likewise is a freak the definition of genuine legend and rightful best ever claimant and the fact he's just so calm and normal makes him even cooler really, but guys like Baggant are awesome to and dont think that just because they can be loud and arrogant at times that it means they cant also be humble and grateful and respectful in victory and defeat as well ya know.
Brzenk is all time greatest but I laugh when I watch Travis because he was such a beast and race specimen....funny as hell too. Nobody as explosive as him. Wish he was still around :(
I totally agree I see a lot of people think he's just a douche lol I highly disagree now if thats all he was a loud mouth arrogant etc. Id get it, but truth is he's just all of the above he's a show man, yah he can be arrogant very cocky, but also almost always humble and respectful when he wins and when he loses and I also find him to just be fun and hilarious real cool and good for the sport overall. And John well John is John hes the man, but yeah love Travis to.
I never knew about this video or matchup between them 2 till now! I was wondering if they'd ever pulled before and WTH!! Wheres the best out of 3! That's almost like a torture! I wanna know or see if they went at it again bc I find it hard to believe they would leave it at a tie like that! Especially them 2! Cmon man........!!😩😩 Lol
travis is in super heavyweight and john is in medium weight so yes there is a big difference but as you see weight difference doesnt matter much in arm wrestling
John won this one 2-1 and that's impressive as Travis is clearly heavier. His record against Travis is 25-5 (as per Travis himself it could be 28-2 and he won when he was much bigger )
@@Kizdo69 Sure there is. There is heavyweight and there is super-heavyweight aka open-class. Brzenk has always been a heavyweight. Bagent and many other "giants" he defeated were super-heavyweight.
+Euph +Thomas Francis, Bageant beat Brzenk is various competitions both left and right before this event. In fact in the 'Pulling John' documentary, the ending title about Bageant haven't beaten John is a myth. In the pre-release footage, the producer is interviewing both once top competitive arm wrestler Michael Selearis and Bageant (in a duo interview) and Selearis says "Bageant beat John in Tahoe." But this footage was cut out. The original intention of the documentary was to follow other top competitive arm wrestlers at the time including Dave Randall, Ron Bath, Michael Selearis, Marcio Barboza and others (but was condensed to John Brzenk, Travis Bageant and Alexey Voevoda).
@@IconicBattles Dang for real so John was originally an after thought in that docu? I guess that makes sense since it really did spend as much or even more time on Baggant and Alexy as it did John, but still for a plan B I got to admit they did a pretty damn good job of turning it into John being the main point of the film. They shouldn't lie though its hard to find official like win loss records for arm wrestlers which is annoying someone really needs to make a site with that like they have for boxers ya know! but yeah no shame in John losing to Baggant at random over his career especially i'm sure post prime I mean that goes both ways and pretty much all the greats have both wins and losses against eachother ober the years.
That is true, yeah he can be obnoxious and arrogant and certainly prideful and cocky, but he's also really funny- though thats subjective I suppose- and just a fun dude, he's also in fact pretty much always humble and respectful in both victory and defeat. Its absolutely possible to be all of those things at the same time depending on the situation and etc ya know what I mean for sure, take Devon dude was like straight up hard core trash talking major crap to Brezenk in there last match in December 2021, once he realized John this time simply didn't stand chance against him he was flat out going all wwf arrogant style saying to John Brezeinks face even " yeahhhh Johnnn yahh....olddd...tired gassssed dryyyy lol come-on john! and etc etc haha just total trash talking right to the legend and john Brezinks face while crushing him this time even, and then right after the match what happens? they show nothing but absolute respect and appreciation for eachother, and weeks later John Makes a video about Devon Larrat not whining about " oh he was so mean and disrespectful to me during our match how darrrrrre he " lol hell no he gets it and thats part of the sport for big events to hype it up and a mental tactic ya know, instead John said he loves Devon and has helped make the sport what is is today and Devon says same about John, Point is yeah trash talking and arrogance is just part of hyping a match and a mental tactic against opponents some use them some dont Travis obviously is one of the more loud/arrogant types, but he's also absolutely just as respectful and humble in victory or defeat as the rest of the greats usually are.
Really depends on what weight john is at, he was lighter against voevoda. plus i think its an old person thing too, good days and bad days. john was prolly at his strongest when he was like 235 facing cyplenkov. Against voevoda i think he was like 20 pounds or so lighter. And again he's about 15yrs to 2 decades past his prime yet still one of the top in the world. but size does matter, voevoda, bagent, devon larret, all like 250 plus pounds and longer arms = big advantage.
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