Confirmation bias is always a problem but when it comes to an expensive product like NV tubes it's amplified ten fold. It's unreasonable to expect the average person to have experience looking through more than one or two NV devices. But that doesn't stop people from making grandiose claims about the single device they own and have used. :)
Heck we used to think in 2018/2019 that L3 was the best hands down, until we started buying bulk tubes, looking through hundreds of units, and really taking an objective approach to NV. Then we realized exactly what you described. And we pissed a lot of people off pointing it out.
@@Arkayneexactly, I think your approach is similar (not sure why T Rex poo-poo’d Photonis, they had to pick their battles - maybe QC?)… get NV as a “tool” for 2A/human rights… not just to “sell” gear. T Rex just lowered (or raised?) the bar by simplifying the buying process for civilians… just like military gets “issued” nods, they are helping to “issue” nods to civilians at set price/quality points for the market.
Very good content. We agree... When I was choosing my tubes for the binoculars, I was able to see the difference with my own eyes. It was definitely not worth the money, so I saved up and bought the Jerry C5, which gave me much more than just a 5% clearer image. I've been watching your content from the beginning, and I can say that you have never said anything I disagree with. Thanks for doing this for everyone. Great Job
I agree with a lot of your points, I found it more queer of him to begin selling night vision without releasing specs than the night vision community itself is. Lucas often gets a lot of hate because he's not military and granted looks like a femboy, but I like him because people often forget Lucas can teach you how to shoot NOT how to be a good infantryman however he has done a lot for the gun community which I respect!
They showed on Instagram their CS process for nods, which looks almost identical to ours, which is dope. People are getting the info they need and are being offered different specs if they so desire.
Had to pause at 10:30 and comment, man I really appreciate the idea of selling ppl equipment that actually suits their needs as opposed to trying to sell everyone the top of the line product or nothing. It’s a genuine way to get ppl started in the right direction. I was a mountain bike sales person in a MTB town for a while (some time ago), and I ended up being the top sales person for a bike shop that had 7 locations bc I listened to every customer and got them into a bike that actually suited their needs at a price point that they could stomach. Yeah for sure, some ppl would buy something beyond what they intended to, but also, some ppl would actually saved a bunch of cash bc they didn’t need a 10k bike to learn how to ride on. My point is, that selling ppl products based off of what they actually need and informing them that there is better and leaving that decision up to them is ethical and good. Ultimately creating more sales and a great relationship with your customers bc you have gained their trust. I appreciate you guys for being good ppl and will definitely be supporting your business going forward.
Beautifully said. Their release was sophomoric and cold. It reeked of arrogance and as you surmised. a way to streamline the ordering and shipping process. I agree, Customer Service and education are key to creating neophytes and proselytizing properly. We need more learners, more folks that are educated, and folks like y’all who build relationships understanding that repeat business, word of mouth marketing, and branding is they key to ongoing viability and stability. God bless and much love.
I bought a pair of BNVDs from Arkayne back in January couldn't happier with the purchase. It is a huge financial decision fortunately i was able to purchase my unit outright without worrying about debt. Eathan was extremely helpful especially when it came to shipping the unit. I would 100% recommend purchasing from Arkayne if your interested in getting into nightvision .
Bro. I don't know what else to say.........when the day comes, when I'm ready to purchase my first analog nvgs, you have my respect and business! Great video. Speaks volumes about yourself, and how you conduct your company and business!
Idk man but selling NV without hand selection of tubes and full specs listed is just silly, especially when to the average joe 3k is a lot of money to many people. I like Trex and have ordered from them as well as you guys, but Lucas is kinda stepping outside his AoE. Id rather order from Custom Night Vision, Gooningear, Steele Industries, USNV, etc.
I think that’s why they released a full rundown of the CS experience which allows spec discussion and changes. That’s how we’ve done it: give the info of what we have on tap, if a customer wants something different we WILL make it happen.
10 year warranty and getting a live person on the phone going over specs before purchase is great. The gun industry eats its own. Gate keeping and ripping off partners and others that share ideas needs to stop.
Very interesting. If you didnt have a teleprompter in the making of this, i am quite impressed. There were not a bunch of cut aways. Very well said sir. Personally, as a not yet equipped customer, one that is still in the saving process, I consume as much content as possible. I watched T-rex's release videos. On one hand, I felt as though the content was directed to my position, while on the other hand, felt as though it was not for me. I like the idea of examining all the facts, specs and drawing from the knowledge of the professionals that are willing to take the time to explain the aspects that I am not yet aware of. There are many choices when it comes to retailers and eqch takes a slightly different approach. To the newby, this only adds to the frustration. I really appreciate your producing this content. Thank you.
Thank you for watching! We understand the frustration because we’ve been consumers of nods and thermal for years and years before we started this company. I wouldn’t hesitate to purchase from goonin gear, TREX, Steele, Nocturnality, and I’d throw us in there along with a handful of others. There are some SOLID options in the world of NV. There are some sketchy ones. I plan to dive deep into that topic: what to look for in your NV supplier. Sometime soon. And we’ll name drop the other good companies we wouldn’t hesitate to see people buy from. Even if it isn’t us. Thanks again for watching 👊👊
@@Arkayne well said, and noted. This video was dope. Lots of good points made. Anyway I can buy some photonis tubes from you guys? Im a hobbyist and love making my own NVDs...
I have to agree that debt is one of the worst scenarios that you would want to be in at this point in time. Just pur. my 1st PVS 14 w/ Photonis W phos tube and couldn’t be happier. But it was 4K. Not ready to do that again anytime soon. Other people might have a lot more money but I have to pay this one off first. And luckily I’ve got zero APR for the next two years. I think this was a great video and it was thought-provoking. ++
Affirm is the bees knees! I've had a decent middle class job but without having crazy life responsibilities like children, etc... Currently have 0 debt and I'll ride or die with that debit card for life. Sure, I could just dump the money all up front but it's nice to have options to better budget over time.
I've been in the loop for 13 years just because I love I2's & kit. Strange to see it becoming so mainstream now after being niche & we were just eccentric LOL. Seeing all these new "company's" pop up to chase that stimulus money was hilarious. All of them know Everything, its nice to see some get it & give you a better experience than say TNVC's gatekeeping, pay for tube selection, talk down to you & piss poor service (the last time I dealt with them anyway). Even they seem to have gotten the memo. Now it's time to see who can maintain a profitable long-term business in these harsh economically tiring times. Plenty of competition so Let the games begin....
I think they are just adopting the TNVC business model. Charge a premium and not offer hand select. TNVC has been in the game a lot longer than trex though. In these times, it's a lot more common for the buyers to be able to pick the specs they want. Even if the end user doesn't / can't notice a significant difference, I still prefer to pick from what is available and know exactly what I'm getting. For me, doing the research on specs and meanings while saving to buy is half the fun. Not everyone is like me, though, thank God, lol.
You guys, your company, and your channel would be taken more seriously if you: 1. Stop censoring your comment section by deleting comments. I’ve already gotten messages from people who say you deleted comments on this video, and you’ve done it to me a couple times in the past. 2. Stop putting out bad/wrong information. Your videos have some serious technical errors when it comes to certain product reviews, such as giving misleading instructions on how to use stuff (such as your RH25 videos). Get a 2nd opinion outside of your company before posting a video.
@@Arkayne RH25 Vs RL25 Video: Trying to zero the RH25 as a clip-on by overlaying the thermal reticle onto the day optic reticle, then complaining you couldn’t get a good zero. That’s bad info, and not the correct process.
@@Arkayne And then when giving specific weight comparisons on the Jerry Fusion bino video you list an incorrect weight for the PD Pros binos (which you say are your go-to NVGs). This is the type of stuff that happens when you don’t vet information before uploading a video.
@Arkayne Hard to upgrade from DTNVS L3 WP, but I'll keep you all in mind when I'm ready for a clip on thermal or the stock market rebounds and I want that thermal integrated bino. Mostly I'm just blown away that it took so long to find with the amount of content I searched and watched. RU-vid surely isn't doing you all any favors.
Genuinely confused why you would make a video critiquing another companies release of a good product. I’m sure we can all agree that Trex is a standup company. They have always promised that if they sell it, we can trust it. Who’s to say that if you called them and asked them details on NV they won’t answer your questions? Last thing, this is a recent move. Give them some time to settle into the new offering. You did a good job of explaining your experience but I don’t know why you think we all needed to know it made “you” feel. I feel this would have been a much better conversation to have between you and Lucas.
Did you watch the whole video? This is just our analysis, no drama. And although we are a smaller page, thousands of people do care what we think. And they asked about this subject. Anyone interpreting this as drama is being…dramatic.
@@Arkayne I honestly listed to the entire video. Like I said originally, I am just confused why you thought it was so important to tell us you would have done a product roll out differently. It would be one thing if it was some shady company pawning off knockoff NV but that’s not the case here. The best parts of the video were when you told us how your company does things, which I appreciate. Tell us more about what you do well and worry less about how other companies operate because you do have a ton of great things to say and I love your products.
@@Dkluch_The answer to your question: It’s an irrelevant video. They are just observing a trend of anti-lucas rhetoric online and taking advantage of an opportunity to promote their business. There’s no other logical reason for them to put this video out, because they are basically toothless within the NV industry. They’re only seeking to change that.
This is one of the best worded videos around. Really drove the point for both side’s perfectly. Fully agree with you guys glad I waited till the end 👌🏾
watched whole vid: i think Lucas Q comment was mistaken, Q also means odd/spoil/ruined and tbh it kinda has been, as an nvg owner if it weren't for my past exp with nvg trying to figure out what i wanted would of been much harder, and for ppl with zero to no exp it can be very daunting and overwhelming NVG + Laser are a "complete" package and esp lasers are one of theee most frustrating aspecs of civilian nvgs, its not exactly like buying a burger with choice of 1-2 toppings that you want, its more like complex calculus with many diff variables, and its good that more companies make the bar to entrance lower and more accessible, so ppl can get a device to learn on and perhaps make their next/upgrade purchase more informed. i like what you said and agree and i hope that Trex can take some pointers from you with zero egos getting bruised on either side just remember that iron sharpens iron and we all could use a bit of sharpening.
As we stated it wasn’t the use of a word, we really only criticized the fact that it SEEMED like it was used to just cause controversy for the sake of controversy. Then again, this video has hints of that so who are we to talk? 😂 We like the TREX dudes a lot. A solid team. This is just an analysis.
22:49 Love the Mission of Arkayne Co and TA Targets! And from T Rex as well! (Inspire/Train/Equip responsible citizens) Personally I didn’t get the “drama” from the TRex NV drop… I just found the videos kinda long boring (compared to Isaac’s videos and podcasts) and they simplified the “drive through” approach to get equipped with “good” NV rather than analyzing all the imperfect qualities… exactly similar to buying a diamond or camera / lens. T Rex says NV is a “tool” rather than “diamond”, so pay $$ (not $ or $$$) and get a good set of 3x⭐️ tubes and “get to work/training” rather than analysis paralysis that tends to keep people out of the NV training. IMHO: The seller who will WIN and dominate the market with NV for $$$ price/quality, is the one who can copy what the loose diamond 💎 industry did… like Blue Nile or James Allen; or DXO (RIP DPReview) for camera lenses. EASY Online images of imperfections, screenshot or video usage example in a fixed lab environment (dark room, like camera lens quality tests), selection filters for all spec sheet details and price, and a “buy it now” button. 💸
It would be great if someone would give an entry level option to people who can’t afford to drop thousands on night vision. I understand there’s digital, and maybe that’s the way, but it would be great for a $1500 “almost as good” tier for people to enter the market that isn’t a used unit with its cheeks clapped out.
The problem is intensifier tubes are insanely complex to manufacture. The tube itself drives the price so much. Analog will eventually be replaced with digital, or hybrid, but it isn’t here yet.
Saying that Trex arms hasn’t done the most for the gun community it’s kinda crazy, they’ve literally used their money a lobbied politicians to get gun laws changed! And I’m not a big Lucas nut rider facts are just facts! So I’m tired of the shade thrown at Trex arms
Anyone whose been in the NVG game can tell you they are gouging and it sucks. I was hoping they would have competitive pricing as I'm looking for an upgrade. Big ole nope. I hope he does well regardless with it as he does a lot of good for the 2A community and I'm still a huge fan. Especially when a Navy SEAL lost his mind and got his ego in a bind hahah.
It’s all subjective man, but clearly what trex and or Lucas has done with the NV drop has offended you and rubbed you the wrong way and you felt the need to vent on the bases of expectations. I get it bruh, he doesn’t do things the way you do, in the end does it really matter and is it worth your energy to nitpick. Semper Fi and Godspeed ⚡️
We aren’t offended in the least. Just analyzing an obviously charged topic in the space and giving our take. Take it for what it’s worth. We like the dudes at TREX.
Yes. NOD $nobs, or the 'How can I respect you when you haven't even crossed the 10K price point yet? ' bunch. I went hermit because of 'those people'. Snobs. They ruin everything.
This is the main point, there should not be any controversy when it comes to people trying to teach and supply American citizens with the gear we need to protect what we all hold dear. Unless bad info is being pushed and people are being tricked and robbed, let’s all just piss off shut up move on and train as a group to better prepare our community. This community is as bad as the “Republican party”. We bs and attack each other unlike the other side. Nothing gets done and no one gets better.
We’re just offering one lens. There’s no drama. We rock TREX holsters, we love what they do, and we got tons of messages and comments asking about this. It’s just an opinion, and doesn’t change the fact that TREX does solid work in the industry. Any other interpretation is reading into it too far.
@@Arkayneyeah lol i posted that literally as the video was loading. Had no idea it was going to talk about TRex lol. I just knew the same people that watched the two TRex videos would be watching this video. I had no idea there was drama in the industry with TRex entering the space. Great video and i agree with your point of view. Keep up the good work
Ethan was solid when I made a large purchase through you guys. I used Affirm and paid off 90% of it on day one, since I could not do a split tender. Not a fan of Lucas. Appreciate his role in the 2A education. But, he is a straight up egomaniac beta. I say that admitting full well, he could out pew me. But, when SHTF, that is when leaders emerge. Same with character...which he has shown his ego will get him and others in trouble.
trex two in depth videos were so confusing and really didn't say very much. im in the market for a set myself and i'm so confused by all the options , i'm almost at the point to where I'd almost just keep renting when i want to train with it. as much of a fan i've been of some of trex products the arrogance they've shown lately has been a turn off.
For me, I just don't appreciate people injecting their controversial political stances into their multi million dollar business once they feel complacent enough that they're under the impression they're galvanized against backlash. I understand that the gun industry is rife with right wing politics and I can see how we arrived at this point as well with the continued attacks against our liberties. But the problem for me is that intentionally ostracizing and excluding people for shit they can't help, like who they were born as, goes against the very mantras we repeat to one another about freedom and liberty over and over again. It's hypocritical, and if there's one thing I can't stand it's hypocrisy.
T Rex just lowered (or raised?) the bar by simplifying the buying process for “nods as TOOLS” 🧰 (rather than diamonds 💎) for civilians… just like military gets “issued” nods, they are helping to “issue” nods to civilians at set price/quality points for the market. This is 💯 in line with their budget vs Gucci rifle builds etc! Get equipped and get training!
