I’ve had the kill switch operating by itself twice but bizarrely not when running but once after parking for a short while and once overnight in the garage. Very strange.
in a previous electrical / electronics career, and occasionally pulling apart an old switch just for fun, I guess it could be something to do with the springs / geometry inside the switch. i.e. it naturally wants to switch off. I detect a recall happening if a lot of people have the same issue, a bike engine cutting out could be quite dangerous in certain situations.
It's great to see someone review this bike as a "bike". Not an A2 compliant bike, a learner bike or a beginner bike, but has all motorcycles should be reviewed... for what they are. More reviewers need to wake up and realise that not everyone wants a 200+ hp litre bike and that their reviews need to reflect the competency of the bike, not those that choose to ride them.
Thumbs up. I'm 66 and have been riding motorcycles since 1978. I have not been riding for a few years but in May I bought a used motorcycle. All reviewers on RU-vid called it a beginner bike. I just returned from a 9 day 2134 km (1326 miles) camping trip to Harz. My conclusion is that only a beginner will classify motorcycles like this as beginner bikes. 29 km/l (82 MPG UK) is touring I can afford. I only used motorways the last two days.
@@fuglbird I'm guilty of having passed judgement myself, back when I was in my teens and early twenties when I was an expert on everything. In hindsight, I remember the "old blokes" on their 500's and 650's saying "it's more than enough bike for me, it goes well". Then one of my mentors, a guy that had owned everything over his long life ranging from Vincents to SS Ducatis, K series BMW's and just about everything else. And he rode them 5 days a week. He bought a Honda VTR 250 in his latter years. He was besotted with the thing. "It's light, handles like it's on rails, it's a dream to ride around town, it has good suspension, uses no fuel, it's easy on tyres and the registration is cheap. It could be faster, but it's fast enough... you can't have everything". He owned that bike for years, up until the day he died.
Agreed, SteeeveO. Could transform a minor irritation to a catastrophe in a millisecond. Sort this, Triumph, you've got the makings of a very successful bike.
@@SteeeveO had a problem with the electrics on my new Daytona 675 in 2006. It was straight back to the dealers and I didn’t wait for Triumph to issue a recall on it. They were politely informed that the next communication would be from my solicitor in a weeks time. It got mended! Problem is with the 400……would you trust a replacement switch of the same type?
I have had my Speed 400 since the end of May and done 700 miles so it's just had the first service. No issue with the kill switch but the engine light coming on is an issue with the immobiliser that is on all of them and Triumph is sorting it on the first service with some computer magic. It vibrated at first but as I put some miles on it they have diminished a lot, I haven't noticed any problematic mirror blurring. The only thing I have noticed is that after riding for a while and the bike has got hot, if you turn the bike off and go to restart it straightaway it's a little reluctant to start but starts on the second press of the starter. I use it for commuting and rides into the Peak District and up to the Yorkshire Dales so very rarely go on motorways but do some dual carriageways where I can do higher speeds. Overall very pleased, it's comfortable, incredibly flickable, powerful enough and seems to have bags of torque, I rarely have to change down for more power to climb a hill, just twist the throttle and it pulls like a train.
Completed 8000+ kms, 1. Fogging on the lower right corner of the digital display 2. Absolute mess under the rear shocks 3.All kinds of symbols lighting up on the console for a couple of kms, bike restart helped. 4.Headlamps flickering, goes off after a few kms 5. Bolts of the radiator/cooler rusting All the above points observed during rainy season (Mumbai, India) Mechanically the bike has given me no trouble as of now
Kill switch is a non-starter for me -no pun intended…seriously a deal breaker. I would never accept a bike randomly shutting off mid ride (imagine mid corner on a nice aggressive canyon romp), but especially concerning for any beginner rider this bike is marketed for. Easily could put them into a life altering situation. We’ve just been shopping bikes for my son who is a newer rider. This was on the list. Not anymore. Shame on Triumph for releasing a bike with this issue. Thanks for the video and bringing up this issue which I’ve not heard anyone else mention. Clearly from the comments here it is not an isolated issue.
I'm struggling with the dealer. I'm telling them my problem, and they're acting like they've never had a problem with any bike but a google search, and it's very common.
I have owned a Speed 400 since January. Comment on the kill switch, I have not had a problem at all and unfortunately I have some fairly crappy roads where I live and that's not happened on mine. Absolutely cracking bike and don't miss the big stuff anymore 😂
I think the gas tank is a glass half full/empty thing. To avoid having dimples they could move the tank back which takes up seat room or they could make the tank smaller which reduces range.
Had a Daytona 650, then a 2011 blade , race tuned with 177 brake at the rear. Did 40,000 miles on it, touring all over Europe with the odd track day inc. chopped it in for a Ducati , and bought a speed 400 as a second bike to use while in our gaff in Italy. Superb little bike, great comfort and easily worrying litre sport bikes on the twisties….a right laugh. Best £5k I’ve ever spent… plus 70mpg too! It’s mentally good for the price.
@@andrewhayes4246 I thought so too when TMF first showed this bike in the garage and mentioned that the seat height is just 790mm. But when Carole said she was looking at a 650, it had to be the gorgeous Kawasaki RS. Seat height on that is 820mm, by the way, so I can see why they'll swap it out for a lower seat.
My initial thought for Mrs F was the same, then I thought SV650 when she revealed that was the engine capacity she was looking for. I agree with you on the Kwak though 👍
Had mine for a few weeks. Done 700 miles. Love it. Rude for a bike of this price to be that good. I've had the kill switch so that. Thought it was me. My other negative is no space under seat. I like to have disk lock under seat so I don't forget it. Absolutely zero space under seat. But for 5k. It's epic.
Anyone having the kill switch issue should take the bike back to the dealer to be looked at ASAP, and in the meantime either don’t ride it or tape that switch permanently into the on position, if it killed the engine during an overtake it could be dangerous, a small square of electrical tape would do, and if for any reason you needed to use the kill switch firm thumb pressure would lift the tape.
Thanks for that video. I never had the 'kill switch' jumping issue, no, but I had other issues: 1) The speedometer was off by 12 to 15%, so when I drove at 100km/hour, the speedometer showed 115km/hour. I brought back the bike to Peter Stevens workshop and Triumph technician came to kix this. It's still not perfect but better, within the 10% off, acceptable. 2) The coolant leaked shortly after I bought it on a very hot day (Melbourne, Australia, in Summer). Again, Peter Stevens fixed this. 3) To start the engine I have to press and hold the starter for about 3 seconds (especially when the engine is cold after the night). Peter Stevens said it's a known issue and Triumph is still working on it to re-calibrate their software to fix this. 4) The immobiliser light stayed on after I started the bike and drove. It happened especially when the bike was really news; now, it's improving. Same as above...'known issue'...Triumph is working on it... 5) The clutch cable snapped as I was driving. Triumph fixed this without charge for me - nice! - but they said that it's probably a result of the first service where the technician might have tightened the cable too much. Ok...so, it looks like a lot of problems here but they are only small issues and now that it's pretty much all solved, this bike is really pleasant to ride, very comfortable, for me AND for the pillion (my wife who is very demanding - on the road 😄), very light, nimble and easy to maneuver. Good for the price!
I have the Scrambler and agree with your positive assessment. I don't share your negative opinions on it as I love it so much. The Scrambler is a bit taller, so better for taller riders. Minimal vibration for a single, and my mirrors (not bar end) are always blur free. It is a very nimble bike.
I agree my Scrambler like the Speed is a brilliant bike , but my mirrors definitely vibrate when accelerating harder than normal , not really an issue because I’m looking forward, will have to look at the Mickey Mouse rev counter ( if I could change something I would have gone digital Speedo and analogue Revs , I use to hate digital speedos but in my car which has both I never look at the analogue one ) to see when they start to blur .
Hi Andy, I also love the little Triumph, but that kill switch issue is downright dangerous, could be lethal. Hope Triumph thoroughly investigate it. Thank you.
Hi , great video as always. I have owned one since February and my issues are 1 I agree the gearing is to low 2 once up to 50 mph the vibes are terrible especially through the pegs. Trying to get faster than that it sounds and feels like a screaming 2 stroke. 3 And finally the malfunction light is always coming on , obviously alarming, i phoned the dealer and they said it was nothing to worry about,and I can carry on riding.thanks Wes Suffolk.
You nailed it. Just a really fun bike to ride. Reminds me of the good old 60's Triumpsh. Light weight, great handling, loaded with character. Been out of riding for many years, so I had no idea what modern bikes were like. When I checked out this machine at the dealer and looked at the bigger Triumphs , I was surprised at how much bigger (and heavier) these motorcycles had gotten. The light weight of the 400 played a major role in my purchase decision. So far, haven't experienced the kill switch issue. Fingers crossed.
Great review, I bought a black one 4 weeks ago, I downsized and I'm absolutely loving it. Haven't had a problem with the kill switch but worth knowing about. My only gripe with the bike is the cheap quality switch gear, I suppose they had to save money somewhere. The Gold forks superbly match the black tank, the whole retro look with the aluminum side panels and badges is brilliant well done Triumph. Easily manoverable at 170kg, 80mpg, upright seat position, easily flat foot it at 5'8" flatish torque curve and the 40hp is ample for what i need and at 5k One concern I have is when the warranty expires as I service my bikes, anyone know how to reset the service light, cannot gind anything in the Owners Manual or will I have to cover up a flashing wrench.
At first, I really wanted the red and black version but that black has to be the winner for me. Reminds me of that new Norton Commando which also looks beautiful
Loved the reviews you’ve done on this bike. It’s great hearing you highlight everything I love about the bike. I’ve had mine for just over three months and have not had the kill switch issue at all. Likely specific to that bike.
Hope that isn’t a wide spread issue with the engine shutting down. The Trident had a stalling issue when it first came out ( now fixed with a recall and new models fine). If it is a broader issue Triumph should be doing better with their pre-launch testing. Will be interesting to see the other comments. Looks a great bike otherwise, this class of bike has really taken off recently. Thanks for the vid.
Funny you mentioned the stalling issue. I went from a KTM 390 to a Trident partly because my 390’s tendency to stall downshifting (rev-match of course) into 1st. These bikes are running way too lean nowadays
I've got the scrambler version and I really love it. So spirited and lively, does everything well outside of sitting on a freeway all day long (it can definitely do it, but a little tough for the rider). You're getting a lot of bike for the money with this one.
As an arthritic 70 year old I finally decided to let the big bikes go. But not giving up bikes altogether I bought a speed 400. Had it now for a month and 650 miles can't fault the bike certainly never had the kill switch problem you mentioned. Only thing I will try is an extra tooth on the front sprocket if one will fit. I feel the gearing could be raised a touch. Otherwise excellent value for money and brilliant ride.
I love these smaller engine bikes. What I'd love to see is a Kawasaki Z400RS SE. Basically, the same as the Z650RS SE and Z900RS SE but using the new ZX-4R engine. I think that would be a blast (but obviously much more expensive than the Speed 400).
Mr Flyer, thank you for another informative video 👌🏼. I have a Classic 350 but would like in addition something slightly more powerful for longer trips. I have been considering the Speed 400 or an Interceptor 650 so wondered what your view/recommendation would be? Thank you again. Best wishes, Paul.
My 2020 Speed Twin would "die" unexpectedly at slow speeds--very dangerous when going to accelerate. Triumph said not to use sport mode. Problem (stalling) did not occur in other modes.
Have had the Speed 400 (Indian variant) since mid October 23. Chose it as my weapon of choice to return to motorcycling after a gap of 6 years, riding a Duke 200 before the break. Apart from more power, needed a more comfortable ride than the Dukes and the Triumph delivered, along with a host of useful features (for our roads anyway) and that classic roadster design. I'm not too bothered by the indents in the tank, and the switch gear, while not the best, is decent for the incredible value proposition it brings especially over here. Mirrors do vibrate after crossing 5k rpm, and become unusable post 6.5k to 7k rpm. Trick is to keep the revs below 5.5k rpm. With the correct gear slotted, that is not a problem. I guess the lower speed limits on our roads also help in not running out of gears. But it a crying shame that the machine becomes so vibey post 6k rpm, when peak torque is delivered at 6.5k rpm. It also means that reaching peak power (at 8k rpm) output is virtually impossible as it vibrates violently post 7k rpm. The engine kill switch issue did happen to me around 4 to 5 times. I assumed it was due to my gloves brushing against the switch when trying to grip the bar after adjusting the helmet visor with the right hand for the first couple of times. But it was apparent that wasn't the case when it happened again. It has stopped completely after an ecu update. But after another ecu update last month, engine is stalling sometimes in 2nd gear (kill switch remains on though). Apart from these, the motorcycle is an absolute hoot to ride. Am having the tine of my life riding it to office and back, and longer rides to scenic places nearby, either with groups or solo.
I’ve had my 400 for six months with no issue at all on the Killswitch. But of course I will monitor it. One thing on mine I noticed, and I also have the 400 scrambler, is that the reading for the instantaneous mouse per gallon never moves. It has been on 60 since the day I bought them both. And of course those reading should vary constantly during a ride. Guess I’ll have to contact the dealer on that issue. Other than that, I don’t have any complaints whatsoever on these remarkably wonderful well engineered machines. Tremendous bang for the buck! And yes, you were definitely clutching at a lot of straws!
Tank dimples are needed to keep the wheelbase where it is, you’re right the mirrors are substandard, they need to redesign them. Switch gear, hmmm. Other than those niggles, it’s a first rate econo cruiser. Beautiful bike well worth the prices tag.
I own a Speed 400 since 3 months and 3.500 km without any issue!!!! It's a great and very good looking Bike!!! It's so uncomplicated!!!!! I love it!!!!
I think your mention of the cheaper switches and the kill switch issue are more than likely related in that the bar vibrates enough for the cheaper switch to flip off. Cheap switches (like those found on eBay/Amazon) are always suspect to oddities like this. I wonder what a switch from a nicer model would run you. I bet it’s a plug in play swap too.
Lovely looking bit of kit, that. Being honest, that kill-switch issue would absolutely terrify me every time I wound on for whatever reason! I hope that if it's a widespread issue that Triumph will do some kind of recall. Cracking review, as ever!!
One of the few modern bikes that seems to offer genuine value for money. The performance seems quite impressive for a four stroke single, ideal for back lane blasting.
The scallops in the tank are a design tweak harking back to the early Triumph trials bikes like the Cubs it was the must do to turn tight so it's actually a really nice addition and link to the early TRs
Is it possible that the cut outs on the front of the tank is to maximise the fuel capacity on what looks to be a fairly compact bike ? Good bike review though Andy.
Never had any switch issues with my Speed 400 , amazing performance and brilliant on long runs,did a ride to London and back(non stop rain rtn)total of 556.4 miles,3full tanks,36ltrs ,never missed a beat👍
@@OntarioAndrews415 Melbourne is having a cold winter. Even Brisbane has been down to 5 degrees. Australia has a varied climate, it’s not hard to find places that are hot and cold and everything in between.
Greetings from Plymouth, WI. Thanks for your review of the Speed 400. I own a Scrambler 400 X and have found it to be pretty darn good within this displacement category. Thanks for your heads up on the kill switch kerfuffle. No problems so far. Cheers.
Very good video congrats!!! Im buying a 400... initially i liked the scrambler more but after some input and watching videos i think i will go for the speed as i only use it for urban transportation and some road in sunday, no more than 2 hours.
I'd love to see a proper front mudguard instead of the useless shorty version they have fitted. In my fifty odd years of riding motorcycles I have never had to use a kill switch in any kind of emergency. Had a couple of rogue ones which were simply removed, I'm not sure you can do that on a modern machine with its computers.
It’s a feature, not a bug: ECO mode! 😂 That’s an interesting issue that I haven’t had on my own Speed 400 although I’ve only put 300 miles in total on it so far. I’ll be sure to watch for it though - cheers!
@@colindeans5972the dealer is duty bound to fix it and video evidence would be enough proof. I’ve not heard of 5his anywhere else so either a dodgy switch or it’s been abused by the people who’ve ridden it over the last months.
I found the gearing to be very low - far too low. Triumph could easily remove first gear and add another as 'top' gear. That wouldnt cost too much accelleration once rolling, but would transform the overall feel of it.
Greetings from New Delhi! I've ridden the Speed 400 for well nigh 11,000kms, the kill switch killing itself hasn't happened to me yet...mine's alive and kicking!😋
I'm usually up at 3 am to get your video b4 too many people have left comments. Today at 6:30 already over 100. You're a popular person. My R9T also has dimples. People first think it has been wrecked. Then I comment about how the flat twin also being so ugly that no one would steal it. Lol. So far, I've never had one stolen. In fact, my RE get many more lookers than my BMW's get. 👍👍
I’ve got a triumph trident. It’s booked in for a fault to be fixed next week which is very similar to your issue. The kill switch isn’t affected but when the bike is warm and slowing down when coming up to junctions, roundabouts etc, the engine just cuts out. You pull the clutch in and restart it and so far it starts every time, but it’s extremely annoying and potentially dangerous. Seems that many others are getting similar issues at roughly 3000 miles. Great bike, but this is surely a recall issue.
Funny you mention those profiles taken out of the tank. I sat on one (haven’t had a ride yet) when my T120 was in for its second service.. and my eyes went straight to them and thought it looked like a bit of an afterthought…
Great video as always Andy. For the tank dents; these are a throw back to the old trial days 1950s ish?) on the triumphs when they used to dent the tank to improve the turning circle. Obviously not required these days but personally I think it’s a nice nod to the past. Purely subjective of course as you said. BMW do this on the R Nine T I’ve noticed. Anyway, for the money it seems like a nice bike but at this price point, I’m sure the Enfield Guerilla is more reliable. Too many small but potentially significant issues in my opinion. Still, it’s early days… Obviously nowhere near the Street Twin level (I’m an owner too - they’re second to none!)
Definitely a bike I would be looking at, as it sounds like it does everything I would need and more. Yes, the engine closing down needs to be investigated, and reading other remarks, it's a bit of an issue. Hopefully Triumph will look into it and rectify before any serious incident occurs. Feel you could do a weeks tour on this bike quite comfortably.
Do you have the footage from your headcam showing when the kill switch activated as if you can show that it'll prove whether you did it accidentally or if it's a faulty switch. If it's the latter I would think that will be an urgent safety recall issue which Triumph will have to address quickly before a rider has an accident. If you want a bodge just look at the BMW R1250R headlight, that doesn't even look like it should be on that bike at all. It's hideous (IMO of course😅) and was one of the reasons I didn't buy one
Hi Andy i think the switch flipping off could be vibration plus bumps overriding the switch detent they are probably going to have to strengthen the detent spring to stop it happening. As you said lower spec switches, the bike itself looks great and cheap too.
I would love one of these. Ever since it was announced and been in the UK, I have always wanted one. The noise on them is lovely, also the fact this it’s a triumph and a 400 too as I have only got a2 license. However where I live the price of the bike new is £5200. Joys of living on an island. I also the look and simplicity of it. Hopefully will get one in future or soon.
Hi Andy, great summary, and i do agree there are a few niggles with the Speed 400. My dislikes?, -................... I prefer a classic Speedo and seperate rev counter design, the front brake lever suits me perfectly, but the clutch lever is a different shape which means my finger tips are on top rather than in front of it, so would prefer adjustable levers, the chain guard just does`nt seem to suit the bike, far too short at the front end and too long and pointy at the back, and the switchgear as you say is a bit cheap and plasticky. I`ve never had the kill switch issue as you had, so it may be a fault with that particular bike. The fork relief indents in the tank don`t really bother me, many bikes have them, just different more stylish shapes, though this may result in smaller tank capacity, so i can understand why they`ve done it. The gearing is a bit too low in the first two gears, but, she is really easy to ride in slow traffic as a result, but some have fitted a 17 tooth front sprocket which makes a difference. As for the positives?, far too many to mention, but here`s a few. she`s very light and nimble, very easy to flick around corners, even maintaining higher corner speeds than on my Twin, she`s very comfortable, though i do have the comfort seat on mine, she`s very easy around town, i use mine a lot for commuting, very economical, everything is perfectly placed, especially the side stand which seems to be in a place exactly where my foot swings up to, unlike the Speed Twin where you have to find it under the exhaust between the foot rest and gear lever, several times i`ve caught the gear lever and accidentally put in gear. The brakes are fantastic for a single disc, much stronger than my old single disc on my Street Cup, and the rear brake is surprisingly strong, i use a lot more rear brake than most. BUT, by far and away the best positive for me, is the way it takes me back to the days of my first bike in 1975, a brand new Suzuki TS125M, the amount of fun i had on it was amazing, and fun that i`ve never had on any big powerful sports bikes. It`s a bike that takes you back to your youth, to really fun times, which sadly we all seem to lose as we get older. Who says you can`t re-live your youth, i do so every time i ride my 400. The niggles i mention, apart from the odd chainguard, are a result of being built down to a budget, but when you compare the Speed 400 to other "budget bikes", it`s head and shoulders above, she`s a brilliant little bike, and one i`m really glad to have bought. If they did do a lot of improvements or upgrades, the price would have to go up, maybe Triumph should offer more different versions like they do with the 900?.
Had mine since mid June and generally agree with the points made, I do however have a few niggles of my own! First, and the most gripey is the instrumentation. No coolant temp on the display and the rev counter section is WAY too small, completely disproportionate to the huge speedo. Seco d, gearing is way too low, would be interested to hear if others have raised it and by how much, some t junctions can be taken in 3rd and I'm still running in! Third, comfort. Can't agree that it's so comfortable, 25 miles and I'm getting numb posterior! So it seems that could be my personal geometry, 6ft and average weight though, so nothing out of the ordinary. Also, I'm getting hot spots on the inside of my thumbs, so there must be an issue with the bars or grips. The engine characteristics took a little getting used to, but this is the newest bike I've had in some time, so that's probably me. It's a VERY oversquare bore stroke, and it looks like it could be desax, although I need to see an internal view of the engine to be certain. So it's revvy but at the same time flexible, thats a difficult trick to pull off with a single! Handling is superb, stable, highly flickable and responsive. Only slight issue I've noticed is that it doesn't like braking hard over bumps when say approaching a junction, but you can't have perfect suspension at this price! Build and finish is impressive for the price with very few signs of cost cutting. I've had the unexpected cut out but I'm pretty sure it was an inadvertent touch of the kill switch, it's only happened once. Only other thing to mention is that the engine top end seems noisy to me, especially when hot. I took it to the dealer for a tech to have a listen but he pronounced it fine, surprisingly! I'm not convinced but we'll see at the service. After that I'll be throwing a tail tidy, frame and fork protectors and an exhaust on it. Then do some serious miles and see if there's anything else I fancy fitting. Overall I'm delighted with it, at the price I think it's unbeatable.
Based on your comments, will buy. I have a T100 but am not legally allowed to ride it here in NZ on a learner license.. will buy the speed 400 as a license test bike and general run around
It really is a cute little shrunken down Speed Twin! I think Triumph really hit the mark with these 400's especially for those who live in a metropolitan area.
When I had a test ride, I left the dealership and as I rode off adjusting the mirrors, got 100 yds up the road and the engine cut out. Sure enough, the kill switch was off. I assumed I touched it with my glove but I'm wondering if I did bow. Do try the scrambler though, I preferred it.
That's what I assumed at first - but four times in two weeks (having never done it on a bike before?).....I think not! ...and yes the Scrambler is coming....
Kill switches on bikes easily get knocked easy to change if the spring does not Keep it open knocked mine on different bikes before I realised . Used it in traffic when the bike was getting hot . I d try flicking it back wards and forwards a few times see if beds in then make a warranty claim if does not . Production is being ramped up and I would expect a few components to need replacing under warranty. It is necessary to iron out gremlins on any new bike particularly at this price point .
Hitting the kill switch while riding seems quite unlikely - you need a deliberate reach to do that. However, my V-Strom had an issue with the kill switch, which routes both the starter and the lights through it (hitting the starter opens the light relay, lowering load on the battery momentarily during start-up). The switch never shut off by itself, but it melted inside, rendering the bike unstartable. It's a known defect on an otherwise excellent bike (there is an aftermarket fix, which I installed). Has Triumph done something similar here?
I love the analogue speedo so much nicer than TFT only which look ugly on a bike, I wish they hadn't shoved that digital display in to it though, they could have kept that separate, still, a lot better than most bikes now.
That kill switch issue is really quite serious, imagine it happening on an overtake, or even during slow speed manoeuvres which could result in a drop. Triumph need to do a recall. My local dealer is waiting for the first Voge 350 and RE Guerrilla demos; it will be interesting to see how they compare. This summer has been 💩!!!!
I have owned one since mid May, I love it to bits. I agree about all the plus points but I must admit Andy that I disagree with you about the tank "dents". I think they are part of its character. Mine has only cut out once on the kill switch but I was wearing my winter gloves at the time and so I couldn't say if it was me that knocked the switch or if it was the kill switch ghost. I think on the whole you have certainly agreed with most people's opinions of this bike. Thanks Ian R
Interesting about the kill switch. Never heard that happening on a motorcycle before, other than my own previous Thunderbird Nightstorm....but that was me reaching to adjust the mirror and inadvertently knocking the switch. Embarrassing at traffic lights when I'd only had the bike a few days. So obvious question, you're not clipping it when moving your hand? Nothing on video to see it move by itself? Oh, do I have to go back and count the clutching at straws then? 😊 Thx G
The low price explains the cheaper switchgear and dash display, Triumph has to save money somewhere to keep the price down. ref the tank shape, most modern (non-retro) bikes have plastic panels that extend beyond the tank so you don't see the shape of the fuel tank.
Before purchasing the bike the dealer claimed that the instrument had plastic glass that the more expensive triumphs did not have. But the speed 900 also had plastic glass and also the jobber. As for the perceived quality of the controls they seem alright and i cannot see that they are much lower quality than other controls made og plastic. Btw i have a chinese monkeybike clone with all aluminium controls. The bike cost me abt gbp 400 new 12 years ago.
Intersesting & helpful reflections TMF. It's definitely a nice bike & guess time will tell with the kill switch issue which is a very odd one. Never heard of that before. Faulty kill switch yes but turning itself off, bizarre. Lots of other reviews out there & doesn't seem to have cropped up brfore as far as I'm aware. Hopefully a peculiar one-off although, not uncommon for new models of all manufacturers in year one to have issues & need recalls etc. Often a good idea to give a brand new model a year before purchasing for just this reason.
@@TheMissendenFlyer Just Googled it so pinch of salt, but there's possibly an issue caused by a recent software update that has led to problems with the immobilizer but that doesn't mention the switch flicking itself off. There is however talk of other Killswitch issues, mainly for those people who regularly use it to stop the bike. Something I never do as I have always been told it's bad for the bike. Supposedly it can burn out the coils & in more modern bikes it plays havoc with the software. It's been likened to a hard reset & pulling the plug out of your computer when it's mid boot-up or shut down. The Speed 400 manual itself also says that the killswitch should only be used to stop the bike in emergencies. Time will tell I guess.
@@TheMissendenFlyer I own one, mine has never yet had a problem with the kill switch but I agree the switches are a bit less quality. I don’t have a problem with vibration in the mirrors either. The bikes must vary a bit!
Thanks for your thoughts on the Speed 400, as you say you were ‘clutching at straws’ especially re the switch gear compared to the Speed Twin. PS. My kill switch doesn’t do that.
May I ask your reasoning for criticising the switch gear and then comparing it to a more expensive bike? I understand you were clutching at straws, but the bike is under 5k... So I'd expect cheaper materials at that price point.. Have a good weekend, and thanks again for another informative video.
With your love of symmetry I would have thought the asymmetric fuel filler would have been a no-no for you 😂. Great the bike is on the market and at such a good price. Well done Triumph.
I’m surprised Mrs Flyer didn’t have ones of these instead of the kwak as her first big bike. Morel than powerful enough on the road and fun to ride. Her zed is a nice colour combo though.
About the kill switch, I see several people had trouble with it. My question is can you just by-pass the switch? If I buy one of these bikes I think I could open that switch and attach the wires permanently and eliminate this issue. I could still turn the engine off and on at the ignition, right?
