@@Tomevone it is the holy spirit, it responds to great and powerful things, ideas, etc... as well as warning you of danger.... the most powerful tool a human has
@@bandolero7970 “why kill you now prince of Troy, with no one to see you fall?” Basiclly if he had wanted to Achilles could have aimed just a bit to the left and killed Hector.
@@TheMan-je5xq Armpits yes, but the neck can be protected very well by a gorget for example. Though i think we are talking about mid to late medieval period plate armor at that point.
@@nahor88 i was thinking jango for some reason. Either one would have been a better demise than achilles lame death. Boba surely does die probably by obi or someone we just dont know yet. Maybe by maul
I’m shocked that no one is commenting on Hector’s resolve after seeing that. That is exactly how a man should handle life. You have impossible odds in front of you and you push forward. That is what I got from this scene.
@@chriseffpunkt4333 Don't YOU feel stupid for feeling the need to ask? Because it makes you look intellectually challenged. Though honestly not interested in your answer, it's more of a prod at self-reflection.
Achilles--literature's first overpaid, prima-donna superstar athelete. Pouted when he didn't get the first-line billing on the Greek team, excessively celebrated defeating Hector, then finally went down with an ankle injury to the third-string prince.
Paris was not "third string" to anyone who's actually read the illiad. he was about to kill Hector when the two first met before their father called him off.
Even a norm can feel the weight difference between two ends, let alone a warrior who lives all his life handling the weapons. In addition Eudorus can easily understand his commander's intention.
@@edwinfcapidos that hector was on a horse is a bloody big factor. Something moviemankers are too clueless about. It is easier to build momentum from even a short run up and pressing on stable ground than to throw form a moving horse even from a shorter distance!
I truly love this movie to death. All the more so because it came out on my birthday in 2004. I went to see it when it came and truly fell in love with it!!
Watch the Kirk Douglas movie, Ulysses, from 1958, I think. It is a great movie. The final scene when he throws off the cloak of the beggar disguise, strings the bow (which no one else could do), shoots the arrow through the axe heads, then kills all the suitors of his wife, is an amazing scene.
@@craigkdillon I'll check it out thanks, I was fortunate to read the Odyssey in class the chapter that got me, was when Odysseus scouts got set up to eat lotus plants. "blissful forgetfulness; they had to be dragged back to the ship and chained to the rowing-benches, or they would never have returned to their duties," I portray this to drugs, weed, lost a few friends to the lotus...
@@g-man5809 Really?? Then, may I also suggest The Vikings - Kirk Douglas & Tony Curtis. Kirk's dancing on the oars is real, and ad libbed. Kirk was great. Also, 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea - won award for special effects (not CGI crap. real special effects.) Lastly, the best of them all --- Spartacus, directed by Stanley Kubrick
that is because horses are gregarious animals and follow the leading horse. so unless the whole unit stops, a horse loosing his rider will not stop until the other horses arround it stop too.
Achilles is a demigod on a mission for eternal personal glory beyond mere mortality... whereby, Hector is a humble traditional mortal man, who, out of reverence and duty to his nation and love for his brother, must suffer heroically for their sins.
Because your responsibilities as an adult and how Hector handles life went hand in hand so you relate. Achilles represents the “super hero larger than life” aspects that children gravitate towards. Not saying being larger than life is impossible. I don’t believe anything is impossible, only temporarily impossible.
Imagine if the wind was bad and it made him hit Hector straight in the face. Patroclus wouldve never died, Achilles wouldve just left Troy with Briseis and Agamemnon wouldve lost the siege. Happy end for all, except Hector, who is in fact very dead.
Nah, Patroculus would have died sooner or later either way. He wasn't as skilled, and since he pretended to be Achilles, he'd have come up against some stronger fighter and died.
Or the wind made the javelin go 180 and skewers Achilles in the face. No one cares about Patroclus being killed by Hector and everyone goes home happy, except for Hector's sister who no longer gets to shag Brad.
nah he wasn't. Achilles is basically a god compared to these mortals and he knows that which is why he doesn't see them as a threat at all. He knows it's more fun to scare the hell out of Hector with that throw than to kill him. Kinda like a cat playing with a mouse
Hector: let's charge our Chavalry to those 2 dudes with a single spear... Achilles * Throws his only spear and kills a random horseman. * Hector: stop the charge, lets take a moment to reconsider...
@@songhan1586 No i think you'd just run down the now defenseless man with your huge group of armed horsemen. But hey, it's a movie about a legend. None of it is at all realistic.
A takeaway from this scene that this clip doesn't show because it cuts off too soon is, Hector tries to retaliate by throwing a spear at Achilles but, it's thrown at such a slower velocity that Achilles just turns himself sideways to dodge it. So in other words: Hector has to get the momentum of being on horseback and, get even closer to achieve even a fraction of the same throw Achilles just performed. That alone should tell you how one sided their man to man fight was going to be later.
But Bro on a horse you can't turn your hips and put your whole body into the throw. Not saying he can throw like Achilles but definitely better than what you saw.
@@desmundlighten3603 Hector was certainly better than anyone Achilles faced. He acknowledged it to his father saying he was the best he ever fought. But during the fight you could see Achilles was barely trying. Thats why by the time Hector was already exhausted Achilles just started to break a sweat.
"An impossible throw" That's when Hektor knew he was fucked. If this man lived Troy was doomed. Such a great movie, granted it leaves out a bit from the poems but such a great movie to watch.
because he didn't know the weak point. Hector could have killed Achilles easily with a bit of info. Paris did it easily. All those so called great fighters took advantage of the absence of the Internet.
@@debajyotinath5021 hector aims low plenty of times. The thing about the movie is, it goes for realism. Achilles heel is suppose to “seem” like his weak point. But in actuality he’s a mere human. When he dies you see a shot of him lying there dead, with a bunch of arrows all around him but one single one in his heel. Which supports his legend.
@@debajyotinath5021 I mean, in the fight between Achilles and Hector, Hector lands one scratch on his breastplate barely, Achilles is just clearly the far superior fighter.
Idk it has been too long since I read the book. But I like Hector. In the movie for him to spar with a demi god and constantly beat the army back. In the book I think he kept running from achillies and on the last lap he faced his fate. I can’t exactly remember how the book portrayed hector. Hector is like that one gamer who is skilled but got matched up against a cheat user.
in the book it was cheats, he had outside assistance, one of the gods gave Achilles his spear back, Achilles was good and if legends are true unstoppable but he still had a lot of help. i think the intention of the movie was to make it more grounded, no demi god, no Luke Cage skin etc, Hector was beaten by a more skilled opponent granted, i don't think he was that much more skilled though. Hector got unlucky with a stumble and he needed more work on his cardio as he was exhausted shortly into the fight, but lets not forget Hector had previously had a tough battle with Ajax, then later Patroclus while Achilles had been tugging his meat then relaxing in his tent.
i remember reading the book in highschool. It was 10 point font and like 600 pages. I remember hector written to be extremely intelligent and intuitive. In alot of ways he mirrored Achilles; and I think that was the point of his character in both the book and the movie. It almost seemed that Hector was the man that Achilles could have been if he hadn't spent his whole life chasing glory. Conversely, if Hector had dedicated himself more to the art of war instead of becoming a leader for the army and for his people as well as pursuing a love interest, he may have been every bit as horrifying and deadly as Achilles on the battlefield. In the book of course there was alot more divine intervention, but Hector was mostly just a normal ass guy that held his own against the best of Sparta.
@@poobs2361 Actually, Homer goes out of the way to narrate to us how Hector is foolish and doesn't listen to his comrade Polydamas, who suggests running back to the gates of Troy when Achilles returns to battle (Book 18). Then Hector later thinks to himself (Book 22) about how the ruin of Troy was all due to his own selfish pride, as he did not listen to Polydamas's good advice. Hector may be brave and honorable, but Homer certainly didn't write him as a smart person.
@@poobs2361 Hector was more skilled in the art of war and leadership but he was not the son of a goddess and his arms were not forged by hephästos. But without doubt he was one of the deadliest warriors and fighters on this field, only a few greeks could hope to match him and only ajax did and live to tell the tale.
the way this is shot, its impossible to really tell how far the throw was. the dialogue later clarifies that this was impressive, but its just weird that there is no establishing shot at any point to communicate the vast distance covered by the throw.
considering hector had to ride for another 10-15 seconds, so prob close to 100 or so feet close and still struggled with his throw and missed and from the few shots we see of them both in frame, it looks like well over 200-250ft throw, or close to 80m its an insane throw to make in of itself let alone an accurate throw.
This whole movie was basically about how the gods doomed Troy if you think about it. Hector advises against everything his father does but the gods said otherwise.
😂😂😂damn BUT two things: 1. Achilles distance and accuracy is obviously god like...but Hector's throw in return can be seen as just as difficult...he was throwing upwards while on horseback...which is physically more difficult on the body givenhe had less torque to work with and Achilles was on higher ground if i recall.... They made Achilles OP but Hector realllllly wasnt that far below him. Even in their duel there is a moment in which they zoom in on Achilles and he is breathing heavy and has a face that realizes this is a REAL fight and he's being put to work. Even managed to scratch his armor and Achilles is like "the fuck?" So idk, i feel like he had somewhat of a chance, if only a small one
I doubt if Achilles could tell between Hector and Tecton at that distance, especially with all mean wearing armor! I don't even think Hector and Achilles have met before to recognize each other, they've just heard each others' names!
Back then,if Hector had turned tail,what would his life have been like? No,he HAD to go on no matter what,the brave part is he did it without whining or crying.
Well I don't think he would, since there was a prophecy that said Achilles would die soon after he'd killed Hector. Probably the reason he allows Hector to live in this scene as well.
Director: you got the role this gonna be huge for you! Actor: Yes I have been waiting for this for my whole life! So what’s my part then? Director; Achilles throws a spear it hits you in particular and that’s it. Actor: what you mean that’s it? Director: I’m afraid that’s it.
Modern javelin record is almost 100 meters: 98.48m (in 1996). After redesigning the javelin to prevent runners on the tracks from getting hurt, it still got thrown 90.57meter Achilles was maybe throwing a 50 meter distance with that impact.
Never liked this scene...they should have illustrated a sense of distance to better appreciate the throw. I know Hector mentions it later, but show the length of the throw, was it 90m - 200m ??? it should have stood out as a 'holy shit' moment, but instead it felt rushed!
You don't need to know the distance he threw it. This scene demonstrated that Achilles was capable of such a throw that no other mortal man could accomplish. He killed someone with his spear and the approaching Trojans could not immediately retaliate because even their best soldier, Hector, did not have the strength to return such a throw. Even when Hector finally comes within his range for a spear throw, it is so slow compared to the throw by Achilles that all he had to do was move his head slightly to the side to dodge it. The distance is irrelevant.
Y'all seem to be more concerned about the aim. Have y'all even considered the power/force behind that spear? I mean it picked a man from his horse and sent him flying backwards. I think that was what got Hector so awestruck.
Realistically a javelin from any distance hitting him in the chest at full gallop would have done that. With him at full gallop that javelin hit him even harder then achilles threw it.
And it's physically impossible. Most of the energy could of course have come from the fast movement. So the rider impaled himself on the spear. That's the genius of the Huns. They knew that the power of the bow adds up with the powerr of the fast horse they ride.
i always thought Brad performed this roll beautifully and gracefully. (I also think most of that muscle is NOT editing and stuff.) He really does work out and keep healthy/fit, aside from acting, of course.
I thought he was too small for the roll...Please don't come back with the "But he was a half God"....he had magnanimity. He commanded respect. Pitt could be any action star but for this roll he is still only like 165 LBS....Just not what I pictures having read and studied the Iliad.
You imagine if that was a family heirloom passed from generation to generation, father to son. Now this guy just goes and throws it at a fella coming from feet if not yards away...power to him.
He threw it at the King when Ulysses (Sean Bean) came to recruit him (As a joke. It hit a tree that was in front of him). He knew how to throw a spear.
Thanks to this solo kill Hector told his army to finally start using shields properly- in the front towards enemy not as umbrella against the sun , and later in the movie not a single troijan would die from the enemy thrown spear. Hector 1:0 Achilles
I know. I was just being like all those other people who correct someone when they make a simple typing error or their phone didn't select the word they wanted. Wasn't trying to be rude. Have a good day!
