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too bad for menelaus that a relationship is not about who fights better. i guess buying yourself a much younger bride as if she’s meat is also not a good start for a loving and trusting relationship.
@@monicad99Yeah it's about who conquers. This relationship shit is a modern invention. For millennia women were trophies and submitted to the conqueror. Which is what Helen did in the story. The women never fought back against invading armies. Just submitted.
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@@TheJokerx420 I'd do the same. FUCK "honor", if it was my brother about to get his head cut off in front of me, I'd swing the my sword as hard as I can to kill Menelaus.
Can I say though, Orlando Bloom’s acting in this is spectacular. I have never cringed so much as I did when he started to crawl to Hector. He played it so pathetically and I could really feel that immaturity and naivety in his performance. Bloom, up until this film, had been in LOTR and Pirates 1, playing very honourable, kind and selfless characters, characters that were beyond their years. It was truly a testament to his acting ability honestly. I just feel he really does deserve some mad street cred 🫳🎤
He deserves credit for his willingness to take the part too. As somebody setting up a career as romantic and heroic leading roles, especially a man who is very good looking but also somewhat slight and accused of being a pretty boy, to take the role of one of the ultimate pretty boy, coward, fuckups in the entire history of human storytelling was probably a move some of his business managers cautioned against.
Absolutely agree! It took guts, for sure. But I really do think it benefitted his career in the long-run. Especially being in a film with an all star cast and working with Ridley Scott. It would have been different and fun to play around with.@@adamseidel9780
Don't forget Balin in Kingdom of Heaven. Orlando Bloom was...I hate to say it but very much a Gary Sue. in that Movie. yet he was heroic, accountable and dedicated. The contrast with Paris in Troy shows how skilled he is as an actor.
@@megabladechronicles962 I studied iliad in school, he wasn't that better, agamemnon was more talked about, menelaus kinda hid behind him. He was at his prime a great warrior but in time period he see was more like a side character he wasn't even fully commited to chase after helen agamemnon convinced him and killed his own daughter igigeneia to start the war.
Best laugh is when you can barely breathe or make noise. When I saw that in theaters I was dying. Shows how pathetic Paris is that he isn’t even deemed a threat
Hector(as portrayed in the movie) is the ideal man and solider, his values are perfect and his emotions always in check. I think Achilles is the best character as he displays far more human and relatable traits, he has a conflict with in himself that he struggles with(isn't shown too much in the movie but in the Iliad is quite notable)
same here. Achilles was my favorite character when I was 25 years old. Now, I'm a 35 family man. Hector is the ideal man I'm trying to become.I remember, Achilles said at the beginning of the movie: "imagine a king who fights his own battles, wouldn't that be a sight"
Agree, but, having a younger brother is a bitch. You have to defend him right or wrong. You never know he may end up killing the greatest fighter ever.
PunchFor Pound What are you talking about? That was a ramble without any real basis of argument....Were you asking genuine questions or being rhetorical?
PunchFor Pound PunchFor Pound You’re thinking way too much about that line. Let’s assume a Prince had indeed perished on the battlefield in that geographical region at some point in history before sorry Paris got caught up in this little dispute. And let’s assume the corpse was eaten by crows, well a crow lives for what? 15 years or so? You can therefore interpret that he’s referring to the crows alive in that moment, who have never tasted the blood of a prince before. As Jurgen Klopp would say...”Boom”. Honestly, the film Troy is so full of far fetched scenes and fantastical ideas that it’s ironic you would choose to criticise that particular line, which is actually one of the more realistc scenes in the film in comparison to others. It’s almost like that line ruined the ‘realness’ of the movie for you...it’s a movie about Greek gods mate come on. Besides, you were not correct about the crow thing anyway. Do you feel like we’ve bridged the ‘cultural gap’ now or shall we keep going?
3:18 I love the acting here, you can really see that hector is torn between honor and protecting his little brother. The honorable thing would've been to let his brother die. After all, his little brother is a man, who has entered an agreement with the opponent. It even looks like he agrees with what Menelaus says about royalty. Hector knows that Paris is being an absolute coward, disgraceful and pitiful, however he is not about to turn away his little brother who is literally at his feet begging him to save his life.
A coward wouldnt have agreed to the fight and show up. It was actually quite brave with the lack of skill he has to even propose it. he was beaten and intelligent enough to know he lost. Being scared for your life isnt cowardice, he did the only thing he could to save his life. Most ppl would do the same looking death in the eye its not cowardice.
@@hattorihanzo562 it was dishonorable and cowardly to agree to fight the other bearded guy to the death, and have the victor keep Helen of troy, only to backout and run away when losing and keep Helen anyways. He didn't even have to agree to that in the first place, could've just stayed in troy with Helen safe behind walls as the battle raged on seeing as Agamemnon was going to set his army upon them no matter what. But he chose to duel the guy and then punked out, Paris thought it would be heroic, poetic. But his older brother told him on the boat, there is nothing glamorous about it. Hector being a man of honor, even when facing certain death (as shown in his fight against Achilles) knows that this is cowardly, he knows what it is to enter an agreement between men and would never run away in a way such as this, crawling and basically begging for his life. I mean, think of how different that scene would've been when he fights Achilles, had he tried running away from death when losing. Hector wouldn't break his honor this way to save his own life, however, for Paris, like he said, 'He is my brother.' He isn't about to let him die when he's begging for life. Doesn't matter if his intentions or his attempt were brave, in the end he ran away like a 🐝 -otch.
@@davidmanners9076 There was only the one person in the film who left him. He shouts it loudly so she can hear him and the camera cuts to her just as he finishes saying it. You really couldn't figure out who he was talking to?.
Toe to toe?That little shit ran and ran to his brothers safety after he stole that man’s wife and agreed to fight it’s his fault he got to fight don’t defend this little bitch
1:15 What I love about the brilliance of this scene is just how much it shows how big of a novice Paris is to actual fighting. The way he hesitantly approaches, with his defenses already up to full and his sword pointing out. Contrast that with how a seasoned fighter like Achilles approaches a fight, so skilled that he has the confidence to approach it semi-relaxed. Menelaus knows this so obviously that he's fighting a total wimp that he throws away his shield because he knows he won't need it and proceeds to even take Paris's away from him right out of his own hands. He absolutely steamrolled Paris.
This annoyed me so freaking much! He wants her, then he has to fight for her like he said. But he runs away and let’s other men die?! This horrible coward!
I really don't understand Helen. If I was in her place, I would just pack my bags, leave Paris and go back to greek camp. Like what does she have in Troy?.She is greek, she lived there for her whole life. She has a family there. The only reason she was in Troy was Paris. And after he fought so cowardly for her, she should have left him.
@@anitahausnerova2139 in the original iliad she was actually mind tricked by aphrodite after she made a deal with paris to give him Helen in exchange for a golden apple
Im Greek...honour is absolutely the most important thing specially in battles... Το να πεθανεις μαχομενος ειναι οτι πιο ενδοξο μπορεις να εχεις για τελος!
Menelaus had so much respect for Hector he didn't even question his honor. He believed Hector would've let him kill Paris at his feet and that's why he didn't go for Hector first. Hector chose family over honor, Menelaus should've remembered that. Hector reminded him, "He is my brother " Paris was a disgrace.
@@GrnChli It wouldn't have saved anyone.. If you watch the whole movie instead of just this clip, Agamemnon is going to have his army attack after the duel regardless of who wins. He came here to conquer Troy and take full control of the Aegean, not to watch his brother swing swords with a pretty boy.
Technically, losing your wife to a pretty boy coward scuttling away is even worse than losing your wife in the first place.. This was why he was so angry!
Guru Xara Helen’s kidnapping by Paris was the excuse for it though. They even depict it in the movie that Agamemnon tells his brother he’s going to go to war for him, but later he says he’s happy this happened because now he could go take Troy.
1:08 That’s actually frightening, imagine being a noob facing an experienced warrior to death while being surrounded for both armies, while partially have this angle vision.
It's his own fault for being a noob . The guy has literally nothing to do but train for battle all his life ( as a prince ) but spend his time chasing married women . Patroclos is as young maybe younger yet he was very good in battle . Difference between the two ? One trained the other chased women .
@@kirklanyoshinaga8953 according to the mythos … it was Apollo who guided the arrows . But yeah in the context of this movie I guess sniping away unassuming soon to be ally is a skill in itself .
@@MarpoLoco Both Helen & Hector were actually deeply ashamed of Paris in the Iliad. Helen also states, in the Odyssey, she regrets ever running away from Sparta. As well as that it was actually Aphrodite who gave her a lust & passion for Paris, rather than any deeper feeling of love. I mean, Paris was a coward. I would be deeply ashamed to have him as a brother or a lover.
@@soundwavesuperior28 What's so bad about being a coward? I suspect most of the people in the world are descendants of surviving cowards, not dead heroes.
@@MarpoLoco wrong! we are descendants of brave men whether they were good or bad. People used to kill and invade each other and only strong and brave tribes survived not the weak and cowards
I love how when Menelaus draws his sword it's all heavy sounding, like a huge piece of iron, but when Paris draws his, its all small and bitchy sounding.
In the account of Dares, the Phrygian, Menalaus, King of Sparta was described as "..of moderate stature, auburn-haired, young, strong and very handsome, had an extremely pleasing personality." A very fierce warrior. Like Achilles and Odysseus, he struck down so many men, there were oceans of blood at his feet. Yet, an extremely kind and wise ruler. Thought to be the fairer beside his brother, Agamemnon. He was blessed by the Gods. Rich, charitable and also forgiving. After 9 years of war with the Trojans, he finally took Helen back home to Sparta and ruled.
His brother was more of an arrogant, fierce and authoritative sort. His looks were stern and hard rather than smooth and gentle - his face and eyes are even compared to Zeus to convey his authority and the power in his gaze. Thus he was less handsome. Menelaus was well mannered, self sacrificing, forgiving, and positively gentle in comparison to most of the Achaean kings. His fiercest battles were when he was rescuing Odysseus and protecting Patroclus’ body. That is telling of his character. Him and his brother were treated very badly in this adaptation.
@@Raximus3000small fact that the movie was actually written by one of the writers of game of thrones, David Beniof who, after the film was criticised for the inaccuracies from Illiad, stated that : "The script covers the Trojan War in its entirety, whereas The Iliad is only one fragment of it. I didn't want to have little titles saying, 'Flash forward nine years.' It would have made it more faithful to the source material, but it wouldn't have been effective for the movie. I always followed the route that I thought was better for the movie; if that meant that I was cheating on Homer then so be it."
exactly! In the director's cut before the kidnapping he warns Paris that if he has an affair with Helen, thus bringing war to Troy, he'll rip off his face. And now that exactly happened: Paris brought the war, and what's worse, he has shown cowardice, a great sin to ancient Greeks. But Paris is still his brother, and no matter how much he hates him for all the above, he still has to protect him.
For the ancients, honor was above all and the true hector did nothing to save Paris from menelaus. The screenwriter used a lot of cocanina and changed the Greek values to an escapist fantasy of self insertion, for the public to believe that hetcor would put his honor aside to save his brother. Even Helen despised him.
Paris is the absolute worst. Earlier he said he wasn't going to ask Hector to fight his battles for him. Less than two minutes into the fight, he runs whimpering to big brother.
Menelaus's waxing melodic about how the vultures were going to have a ball eating Paris didn't exactly help in getting Paris to calmly hold still for the sword strike.
I always found the portrayal of Menelaus interesting in Troy; he's shown as a cruder, brutish man, and that Helen left him for Paris because of this. The Illiad shows Menelaus as, in fact, an honorable king amongst the other Greeks, and that Helen's fleeing with Paris is more the work of guile and the trickery of Aphrodite, who promised Helen to Paris as his wife. Interesting how things change when the gods are removed. I always wanted to see a movie of the Trojan War with the gods in it.
I can't believe they killed Menelaus off like that even though he didn't even die in the books, he was actually in the Odyssey and helped out Telemachus.
Well according to writer David benniof there were three reasons why that decision was made: 1. They needed to up the stakes and show that hector is a capable warrior by killing two kings 2. Because he never intended to conclude the plotline between Menelaus, Paris and Helen, so he found the character to be pointless 3. They needed to clearify that the reason for the war wasn't about Helen But because of Agamemnon wanted desperately to take over troy
@@woj5924 lol no it doesn’t. It’s a GREAT decision and puts Hector in a FANTASTIC light that showcases that he cares about his family more than anything else, even above honor, which is valid for of EVERYONE out there! This should be EXTREMELY obvious here. Come on!
@@juanlaise1059 ...so, in other words, tens of thousands had to die, just so fatso here could get back some used-up poon..? _Pffft_ - I think I prefer this adaptation.
Notice how Paris fearfully looks up at the birds of carrion when Menelaus say that. If you don't want somebody to bolt that way, then don;'t go around describing things like that. The kid might bolt and you might be too much of a sack of wine to catch him.
I thought he was talkinh bout his sword not tasting a prince b4...apparently crows not sword...this is one of my fav line from this movie.....I watched this clip for that line haha
to me this is such a powerful scene. Hector, a man of principles and honor, steps out of his way and strikes down Menelaos, the King of Sparta, in a dishonorable way. And he does this to save a coward that comes crawling towards him and who lost all honor. Because he is his Brother. Hector loves his principles of Honor, royalty and worthiness, but he loves his brother more.
Yea he was stupid for not discarding his shield, when Meneleus did. He was too cowardly on blocking his hits, he never thought of strategy of making him miss.
His tactics were really dumb in general. He had sword and shield while Menelaos threw his away. Just block and swing if you decide to go in. Even if the pure strengh pushes you down he could still slice his legs. And while he bleeds out from wounds at the thighs (Wich was a common tactic at the time) he wouldnt last long. In a pure fistfight hed be fucked.
@@vaarkobke3102 What do you mean, his shield was advantage till his opponent became faster by discarding his. Now he is carrying something that is slowing him down and even though he can block hits, he is eventually worn down by all the strikes. He would be better suited if he tried to make him miss without blocking his strikes, because Meneleus was fat, put too much power in his swings, and didn't have best footing. If he was clever he would have insulted him and made him do something stupid to gain advantage, not acted like big target that got worn down and beaten.
@@vaarkobke3102 I think thatconstantly receiving smashes through your shield might be exhausting, specially if they come from such a strong oponent. If he wanted to keep the shield he should at least tried some evading techniques if he know someone, instead of receiving all of Menelaus hits.
Achilles at the beginning of the movie: "imagine a king who fights his own battles, wouldn't that be a sight" Achilles at 4:11 - "damn, that really was a sight"
Achilles' style of fight is so unique that most of his opponents would/could never train for this. This makes Hector so good to go for so long against him, but like everyone else, fails to be the last man standing.
I'm pretty sure Agamemnon wouldn't be laughing if he and Hector were fighting each other instead of Paris and Menelaus. His fat ass would be crawling on the ground towards brother and his army in a matter of minutes.
"He's my brother" this is such a powerful line. There's no greater feeling than having your big bro open up a can of whip ass and save you when you are in some deep shit.
Garret Sheets Up to that point, Hector had proven worthy of his title though. And let’s not forget that when his time came to face off a single man on the opposite side to settle a score, he both told the archers not to do shit, and he went out to fight him with no one around.
he was far and wide the best part of the movie. Certainly the best performance. Peter O'Toole was great as he always was, but Eric Bana stole the show.
@@scottfairbanks759 True. His character kept me glued to the screen. I gotta be honest, when he died, I was caught of guard. I was kinda expecting it but I kinda wasn't at the same time. I had never heard this story before. But man, after his death, I did not feel the same investment in the plot as before.
This film is so beautifully coreographed. Even I, as someone who's never wielded a sword before, could see the massive difference in skill between the two.
Gleeson was absolutely perfect. Angry as hell about his wife, so much so that he remembers it throughout the whole fight. Not young, not fit, but strong as hell... a guy who's killed a hundred times and absolutely knows what he's doing. But props to Bloom too. As Paris he played a guy who absolutely CAN'T fight, even though we've seen he can play a guy who fights like a madman. Well done.
@@eljoho622 I'm pretty sure he was at least capable, if middle-aged. Thing is in the Iliad both the Greek and Trojan armies are so full of superhuman badasses that even capable warriors look just average in comparison.
@@fromthecore3691 problem was earlier in the movie, Paris told Hector that he would die for Helen. Sure I'd defend him because he's my blood but I wouldn't be proud to be his brother after going back on his words and endangering our family and the whole freaking kingdom.
Doesn’t even have to be younger siblings, I’m the youngest of my family, and I ain’t gonna stand by and watch them get hurt by someone else, even if they deserve it. Ok if they deserve it I might watch them a take a few hits just for amusement. But not if it’s a life or death scenario.
Got to hand to Orlando Bloom, he played the part of a pathetic fighter very well in this film, he was the most badass elf of all time, and a serious fighter in Kingdom of Heaven, such range! haha
He played Paris right after doing LOTR. It must have been strange to play a wimp like him after playing a killing machine like Legolas for months. Spartan king wouldn't have lasted a minute in a fight with Legolas or Will Turner.
You can easily tell that Menelaos was not actually using good technique, although he could have. He wanted to enjoy hacking onto him, and he did, because he knew that Paris had no chance. And I love how Agamemnon reacts.
@@LandersWorkshop Which no good fighter does, usually, since it exposes you massively while you take your swings. It's incredibly risky, but Menelaos knows that Paris lacks the strength and skill to exploit that weakness. So he just gives him pure punishment.
Paris sword was far too heavy and his shield probably the same. If he’d been equipped with lighter weapons he’d have been fast…and won. But then again it’s just a movie.
@@JohnMartin-oh6bf I wouldn`t overthink it. The Trojan war supposedly took place during the Bronze age and the Iliad was written during the Iron age so the Greeks should be acting like the Hoplites. An Ancient Greek would have never thrown away his shield which they considered almost sacred. Also swords can`t pierce armor the way Hector did. That shield isn`t used in single combat either. The historical shield has 2 arm holders so you can`t move it over your head or sideways to move it. You can only push the other guy in a phalanx formation. The whole thing is filled with bs.
@@JohnMartin-oh6bf i seriously doubt that. Paris was just unskilled,when he didn't have a shield he was simply overwhelmed with blows which he couldn't properly dodge because he wasn't skilled enough. Speed doesn't mean much without positioning it's like putting a Runner in the ring with a heavyweight boxer,the Runner won't be able to make proper use of his speed despite being faster
He has as shield too, if he had just used that, and kept his sword at pointing stance, he could not have let him come close, making sure to take short and fast stabs whenever he came too close. He would get tired in a while due to his size and arrogance. Then you could start trying to get in a serious blow.
@123TauryZ321 even worse, Menelaus was defending his pride there, Paris should have just danced circles around him and taunt him like 'cant you even get a single real hit on me? you're as slow as a hippo! Thats why she left you! A woman like that doesnt need a hippo to crush her, she wants an athletic young man who pleases her and you Menelaus, are certainly not pleasant"... He'd gone apeshit in some blind rage n he'd have left open plenty of spots to strike a fatal blow. All Paris had to do is, indeed: tire him a bit and get him angry...wáit for an opening.
@CmiWuk Good one!! upvote for the well placed joke! (And yes! Exactly like Oberyn Martell danced around the Mountain... thats how Paris had a chance against Menelaus)
+TheCoolProfessor actually he could have won but he sucks ; each adversary has his weak points, here for example menalas is indeed big and strong, but he's slow and lacks agility; if paris had for example run and slipped between his legs, he could have cut his leg by the back, for example his achilles tendon, so he wouldn't be able to stand up/walk no more, then he could have stood up in his back and finish him with a shot in the neck
"Make him swing and miss, he'll tire" *Paris proceeds to do the opposite, swinging wildly and tiring himself out while Menelaus blocks/dodges most of his attacks*
He started defensive but Menelaus literally beat him down until he was on his knees. So he panicked and started offensively. Honestly it wasn’t a bad idea because Paris could barely hold his shield let alone wait for an opening.
@@shafo4384 but GETTING hit also takes the wind outta you. Add in tension brought about by stress, and I doubt Paris could've outlasted Menelaus even if he remembered what Hector told him.
@@rnaD86 Menelaus was arguably as battle-hardened as Prince Hector and was a real whoopass machine. Paris had low odds in the fight. That said he could have fought on without scurrying to Hector at the end.
@@aaronnantz2289 Yeah, that's what makes a good actor, a good actor, if you can love the actor but hate the character they are playing then they did a wonderful job.
It's like, for a moment, he reminiced that time when they were hugging each other like brothers during the ceremony, and now look where they stand. Probably not what the director intended, but I suspect it was the actor's own take on how Menelaus would've felt as he died. Whayever the case, I love it, in a somewhat tragic way.
And the really sad thing is that even though Hector died, Menelaus actually returned to Sparta with Helen and they lived the rest of their lives happily in the mythology codified by Homer. Hector would have been proud that Helen was back with her rightful husband.
Good observation. Menelaus I think believed Hector to understand be in synch on what is happening. All of this is literally just Paris's fault. None of this grief or potential death would happen if he didn't take Helen. Everyone knows Menelaus was wronged and Hector stabbing him shocked him because ultimately he thought the failure of Paris as a leader. As a person. Would be enough to tell Hector its best to let him go for the sake of Troy and everyone involved.
@@oktusprime3637 proof? from what ive read they were a military nation no? kinda means that they lived to fight no? considering they dominated most of greece for a while proves they were pretty super duper? Lol
@@anf23q26 No, i don't have the source, but i do remember seeing this - they won a few battles, but apparently lived off the stories - like 300, after that movie everyone was like omg spartans number 1. Their reputation preceded them.
Ah, yes, the nation that was notoriously militaristic, fielded the best troops in the region, had literally no walls yet still their enemies didn't invade them, had sayings like "come back with your shield or on it" and even Alexander the Great was too scared to invade them, nah their might is all myth they were really just wimpy farmer boys that magically didn't get conquered by Athens, Messenia, or quite literally any of their enemy neighbors.(???)
She spoke, and Helen’s secret soul was moved; She scorn’d the champion, but the man she loved. Fair Venus’ neck, her eyes that sparkled fire, And breast, reveal’d the queen of soft desire. Struck with her presence, straight the lively red Forsook her cheek; and trembling, thus she said: “Then is it still thy pleasure to deceive? And woman’s frailty always to believe! Say, to new nations must I cross the main, Or carry wars to some soft Asian plain? For whom must Helen break her second vow? What other Paris is thy darling now? Left to Atrides, (victor in the strife,) An odious conquest and a captive wife, Hence let me sail; and if thy Paris bear My absence ill, let Venus ease his care. A handmaid goddess at his side to wait, Renounce the glories of thy heavenly state, Be fix’d for ever to the Trojan shore, His spouse, or slave; and mount the skies no more. For me, to lawless love no longer led, I scorn the coward, and detest his bed; Else should I merit everlasting shame, And keen reproach, from every Phrygian dame: Ill suits it now the joys of love to know, Too deep my anguish, and too wild my woe.” - The Iliad - by Homer/ Book III When Paris, when facing Menelaus in a unique combat, is about to be overcome, Aphrodite saves him and transports him to the air, where she tries to convince Helenaa to make love to him to comfort him. Helena then revolts, suggesting that Aphrodite is the one who wants Paris and that she would like to personally do what she's telling Helen to do it. She feels possessed by the other and knows that her next lovers will be chosen by the goddess, and not by herself; your regret leaves no doubt of that This fanfiction is too pathetic. Looks like disney animation
