@@machdude3366 Yes, that's the one I have seen and it's an amazing movie, don't get me wrong. But I think Orlando Bloom for that character fell short. And supposedly the historical figure was actually more close to Liam Nesson in age and demeanor.
The fact that Menelaus still addressed Hector as "Prince" goes to show he is a true warrior and respects Hector as a warrior. That's game recognizing game.
In the account of Dares, the Phrygian, Menalaus, King of Sparta was described as "..of moderate stature, auburn-haired, and very handsome. He had a pleasing personality." A very fierce warrior. Like Achilles and Odysseus, he struck down so many men, there were oceans of blood at his feet. Yet, an extremely kind and wise ruler. Thought to be the fairer beside his brother, Agamemnon. He was blessed by the Gods.
@@wrestlingbear1188 Yep... honestly, Helen wasn't even worth this war, Menaleus deserved better. Still, it was about the Oath and honor that came beforehand that led to the war when she was taken, admittedly.
Brad might’ve been the star of the movie and had the body and looks but Eric is the real talent of the film. His acting as Hector is just magnificent. I don’t care what critics say, this is a great film. One of my favorites.
Hector was a better man in all aspects compared to Achilles. When Hector fought Patroclus and wounded him he knew there was nothing they could do to save him and he gave him a respectful and clean death. Achilles was on the other hand took revenge for the wrong reason on Hector and was everything but respectful. Hector is the true hero in this movie.
@@ppdan Hector knew he was no match for Achilles one on one (even though his father and the other Trojans thought he was), but that didn't matter, he was always going to face him - because that's what honour required. You can see in the way he bid farewell to everyone before he went to face Achilles that he knew he wasn't coming back - one of my favourite characters
@@Yordlehammer How can it be historically accurate if even this scene is fabricated for the movie? Hector doesn`t kill Menelaus, Menelaus is one of the only ones that survive and goes back home with Helen. The movie is really different from the poems
After this embarrassing loss, Paris started training so hard and became one of the most skilled fighter in middle-earth, and helped to destroy the ring, once and for all.
Hector is the real hero, in a movie i have ever seen.. Real brother, real son, real husband, real fighter, real ruler..before his death, his father is saying...no any father had a son better than you...
This movie actually made me hate Hector, and he's supposed to be a sympathetic character. He sees his brother running upstairs to Bone Menelaus's missus. Does nothing. He stupidly gets surrounded by Greeks, and Achilles lets him go. He then completely dog shots Menelaus, honestly just as bad an act as Paris stealing his wife. He then beats Ajax with another dog shot, this time in a fair fight, but not exactly displaying him as an elite fighter. Then Achilles reks him. " It's just such a sketchy list of contributions to the movie.
@@indiankid8601 I don't see any reason to bring Indians into this. I'm not a fan of ram but you throwing about such statements without any context is wrong and shows a sense of condescension towards Indians.
Imagine an honorable father raising the City of Troy to be a hot spot for commerce and a city of respect with a prince as protector of the city who everyone respected to such a great degree. And then one little sht who was to selfish to let one woman go cause both of the cities greatest men to die and the city itself burned to the ground. They tried to make Paris seem like the honorable one but gosh is he a real piece of trash.
@@sir_humpy I believe that even if they cherished Aeneas as a character and their founder, they would probably still hate Pares, since he still took down Troy with his careless actions.
You understand that this war was not waged for helen right? It's the pretext on the myth. Control of the Dardaneles was (as is today) one of the most important in the world.
In case anyone is wondering, in the poem Aphrodite rescues Paris right before he is killed, and Menelaus, after being stranded in Egypt for a time, returned back home to Sparta, where he and Helen were later visited by Telemachus in search of his father (Odysseus).
Yes - Love the movie but I really do wish they'd stuck to the tale as told my Homer. I hate this distortion of original, historic material because it's important - it's the way so many people get their first or only glimpse of our history and classics.
In Homer's epic Menelaus is a hero and Paris a sniveling coward. Helen realized her mistake and left the wimp and returned to Sparta with a warrior king.
Dont hate too hard. In the book they fought for hours and it was Aphrodite who ended up interrupting the duel when Paris finally tired out. He didnt run away. Menelaus claimed victory and Troy was considering handling Helen but one of the gods tempted a trojan archer to seek glory by killing Menelaus. He only hit him in the leg which resumed the war.
@@Makeyourselfbig I think in the myth Paris got help from some goddess and basically drugged and kidnapped her or something. She didn't even want to betray her husband. Not too sure on this tho.
@@RocketMonke69420 It's true that Aphrodite helped Paris to get Helen in order to win a bet, though I'm not sure about the drugging and kidnapping part.
@@RocketMonke69420 Since this movie doesn't have any Gods in it that doesn't make a difference. In this movie she went with him willingly. If she had been drugged and kidnapped the story wouldn't have worked since it would have turned the Greeks into the good guys.
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Orlando Bloom played his role perfectly in this scene I mean you can sense how nervous he was going into this duel with Menelaus. I mean he never fought anyone let alone killed anyone before. Sure he’s had practices with the sword from what his brother thought him. But the only way you learn and gain experience is from real battles and duels which he had none.
Telegraphing (or possibly semaphore-ing) his blows, trying to use strong obvious blows against a man who, while older and possibly slower, was stronger and more experienced. Brilliant performance as someone who has trained a lot but doesn't truly grasp the difference between winning and losing. Like i am when playing videogames. "This didn't work? I was sure it would. How about if i did the same thing but harder?"
@@HinrikS Yup. A few practices here and there with your brother is not going to prepare you to fight the King of the Spartans. He was basically King Leonidas from 300 but born several hundred years earlier.
@@clarkw4028 Easier said than done. A Warrior King would likely see that tactic. I mean, it was his only shot but I'd not have bet on him pulling it off.
If Paris would've listened and kept his distance like Hector told him to, he could've won. But no, he kept foolishly engaging Menelaus and tiring himself out. The fact he even lasted as long as he did was proof of that, plus how cocky Menelaus was being, he just had to wait him out for that perfect moment to strike.
Menelaus was a real warrior Paris a fuck boy even if he did what Hector told he would lose the best thing he could do is not fighting cuase it was pointless anyways
Which makes it all the more puzzling he tried to kill Paris with Hector standing right there. You get the impression from earlier in the movie he knew Hector well enough to where he should have known he would not simply stand there and watch his brother be killed in spite of his brother's obvious flaws. Obviously his hatred and anger towards Paris clouded his judgment and it was his fatal mistake.
@@joshlight6892 he probably felt he was treated so unfairly and was consumed with such anger, but still remembered that Hector would still remain honourable. Clearly he got carried too far.
Listen to how manly it sounds when Menalaus pulls his sword out of its sheath and then listen to how girly the sound is when Paris pulls out his. They even made his sword sound girly. 😂
The moment where Peter O’ Toole is wanting his very terrified son to get up and risk his life for glory and tradition and honor…really hammered home my Ancient Greece professor’s lecture on how Hero Worship and the glorification/deification of warriors was the ultimate fall of BOTH Troy and Mycenaea. Even though Achilles’ side (the Mycenaeans) won the war, they returned to a land they no longer recognized because over a decade had passed and people grew up/moved on without them. They took all the warlords and heroes and left behind the women and children to forge a new society. Which, incidentally, is how we got the Philistines/Sea Peoples/Fomorians of international legends!
No father wants his son to be a coward. Courage is recognized by all societies as a moral virtue worthy of glorification. There's no society that glorifies cowardice. It's rightfully seen as a disgusting character flaw.
@@justaguy328 Coward for what? why should he fight a fight with weapon the other is expert in while he is not ? Courage this is not, this is just playing the game of others. The one is seasoned old super warrior is he full of courage while attacking a teenager/ young man because he cant handle the fact that the boy showed his wife real passion.
@@NightKingMarhoom yep , he was. In the movie , it was a surprise attack when Achilles was distracted doing something else. In the myth , Paris attacked when Achilles was occupied in the battlefield and only achieved that shot by the aid of Apollo. Paris started a war , breaking an alliance between Sparta and Troy , out of lust , then his kingdom had to suffer 10 years of siege because he was a coward that completely hides under his brother's wing.
Technically Paris wasn't really a coward, stupid yes but not coward, he's just more trained with bows and never had a single experience on real combat.
In this scene, I'm rooting for Menalaus. He may be a brute, but he wanted peace with Troy. He didn't' steal anyone's wife and he didn't challenge anyone to a one-on-one duel. So yeah, screw Paris.
@@indiankid8601 he destroyed nothing but of course u will say so A channel like his supportes by Christians of course u will not say "he is wrong" Or something because he is supporting the blind faith ur also believing in wich is Christianity you Christians literally clear out Pope's from having children but u dont clear God from having Children and u speak about wich religion is true and wrong?Come on....
Its so weird watching originally i was like, fuck menelaus, dude didnt care about his wife. Meanwhile two people wer ein love and sure that has some romantic merit but, this is like, real life. Trojan royalty really felt they could do whatever they wanted. Prince took a married queen after a truce. Challenged to honorable combat, and then broke the rules of engagement.
@@phantasosxgames8488 Achilles: Go home, prince. Drink some wine, make love to your wife. Tomorrow, we'll have our war. Hector: You speak of war as if it's a game. But how many wives wait at Troy's gates for husbands they'll never see again? Achilles: Perhaps your brother can comfort them. I hear he's good at charming other men's wives. 💀
This movie is stupid in the book Menelaus is a handsome and a great king. Helen fall in love with Paris because of the stupid god reward to Paris that the most beautiful woman in the world will fall for him
shadow rain not only that , that reward was a bribe from the goddess. Paris was already married at the time , if he had chosen Athena or Hera , he would had a far better boon than be just a horny cheater
I remember watching this movie in a college auditorium a few weeks after almost literally everybody in it had finished reading the Illiad. There were audible gasps and "wtfs" at this.
@@CT-nb5lm it's a movie. There so much you can do in a 2 or 3 hour movie. Just look at The Lord of the Rings movies the films are very long, and Jackson took a lot of things out from the books. That's why movie adaptations of books are so much different from the source material. Just take as it is. And in the Iliad even the Gods get involved in the war.
In spite of the "Hollywood" changes, this movie gets a lot of the Iliad right. Achilles' arrogance balanced by his anguish, Agamemnon's ego, the sacking of Troy, the private meeting between Priam and Achilles, etc. Most of all, Homer does make Hector the most admirable of the heroes, even ending the epic with a reference to him: "Thus was the funeral of Hector, breaker of horses."
Can you imagine what a trash fire it would have been to just film the Iliad without alterations. No beginning or end, constant divine interventions, Achilles chases Hector three laps around Troy..
@@user-kz4wz2kz8b Today's paradigm is completely different than even 50 years ago let alone thousands of years ago. And athletes aren't killing each other. You would've made a better attempt by comparing to soldiers.
After Hector's death in this movie, the movie ended. From my point of view, Eric Bana added charm, presence and charisma, and by the end of his role, the movie lost a lot of excitement and passion and there was something missing. He played his role very brilliantly as a man and a noble knight, an exemplary prince
In the Homeric traditions, Menelaus treated Helen as well as could be expected for a king in ancient Greek times. If anything, Menelaus was portrayed as one of the few unequivocally decent heroes on the Greek side, despite being overshadowed by others like Ajax Telemon and Diomedes, contrasting with his terrible older brother, Agamemnon, whose life typified the cursed lineage of the House of Atreus. It's just that Helen was bewitched by Aphrodite to fall in love with Paris. Unfortunately, Menelaus often gets villainized in modern interpretations because Helen has absolutely 0 agency as a character in the original myth, being sent for political marriage to Menelaus and then being bewitched by Aphrodite and everything. So in order to give Helen self-agency and present her as a modern, independent women who follows love, people tend to do Menelaus dirty so as to justify Helen's elopement
@@7503funkymonkey Says something about Menelaus and Helen, that firstly, he didn't kill her on the spot when they met after the fighting was over, and second, she chose to go back to Sparta with him and make a reasonably civil relationship.
As epic & dramatic as this fight is in the movie: In the original myth, Menelaus actually survives the entire war (he is one of the strongest & bravest heroes), while Paris gets killed in battle (he doesn't get killed by Menelaus though, but by another Greek hero). After the sack of Troy, Menelaus reconnects with Helen & takes her home to Sparta. I don't really know why they changed this storyline in the movie. It's like the scriptwriters wanted to say: See, it's ok to kidnap someone else's woman, get your entire family (who are nice & decent ppl) killed, have your city destroyed, burned down, looted + thousands of innocent ppl killed or enslaved, and still get to live the rest of your life with that bitch woman. But yeah, whatever.
The war did happen, there are findings and remains of walls of Troy exactly as described by Homer. They also found ancient wrecks near by with Greek swords, narrows etc. It was a great war but the price was the management and trading in the Aegean sea.
This would be a lot more easier fight if Paris trained more. If you wanna charm other men's wives, make sure you're just as skilled as Hector or even Achilles.. Otherwise your head will be rolling down the battle sands in case your brother Hector wasn't there lol
Once you reach a certain level in fighitng/battle experience you realise the importance of self-control which makes charming other man's wives less atractive.
@@bogus3962 True but am sure there are plenty of men in those times who are SIMP driven just to achieve this less attractive goals. So they train harder so they can get laid and pass on their seeds or legacy.
@@bogus3962 This is correct. As a skilled fighter you are often aware of how good you are. However, you are also aware that in every fight there is a small percent chance that your opponent lands a lucky blow. Pick enough fights with lethal weapons and you will end up hurt. It's just not worth it, unless you really have to.
@@RocketMonke69420 Let's just say that the little brother did a huge mistake that the older brother in was not involved so the little brother has to face the mess by himself.
The film had a big problem for me: I only cared about one of the characters - Hector. Once he was killed by Achilles, the film kinda collapsed. But until then, there was a lot to enjoy!
